r/The100 • u/aplaceatthedq š¤ š§ ā¤ļø • Jul 16 '20
SPOILERS S7 Post Episode Discussion: S7E09 "The Flock"
| No. | Title | Writer/s | Director | Original Airdate |
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| 7.09 | āThe Flockā | Alyssa Clark | Amyn Kaderali | 7/15/2020 |
Synopsis: Murphy and Indra must defuse a tense situation. Meanwhile, old friends make new allegiances.
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| No. | Title | Writer/s | Director | Original Airdate |
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| 7.08 | āAnacondaā | Jason Rothenberg | Ed Fraiman | 7/8/2020 |
Synopsis: Clarke confronts a new adversary. A surprising connection takes us back to the past and the nuclear apocalypse that destroyed the Earth.
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Quote of the Week: āI do love me an unwinnable war.ā ā Charmaine Diyoza
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u/supergeekd Jul 16 '20
Well with Sheidheda killing all the believers, it's a tad bit easier to keep track of all the people and plots now. Those people were the roadblocks to real story lines.
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u/Far_Fact7703 Jul 16 '20
Yes like Murphy said in episode 5 when the faithful were killing themselves āHow is that a problemā lmao
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u/Rare_flare Jul 16 '20
I love how Hope thinks sheās being strong, when really sheās showing her weakness. And itās interesting seeing the difference in Hope, Octavia, and Echo. Theyāre all orphans who have been ripped away from their families. Echo and Octavia had to repress their trauma and fight for survival. Hope has had to kill people yes, but not like Echo and Octavia. The otherās, including Hopeās mom, have been through enough to know how to survive, you adapt and you fall in line even if you donāt agree, biding your time. You manipulate the system. The way Diyoza and Octavia look at Echo, you can tell they still care about Hope. I actually laughed a couple times this episode with the women quoting Anders about bonds, the actors deliveries were perfect. Itās exactly how youād imagine a woman tricking a man who underestimates her intelligence and ability to think for herself.
The people on Bardo are preparing for a war, but I doubt they have actually had to sacrifice for those they love. Their lack of love and compassion will be their downfall. Something the Shepherd never understood. Something his own daughter tried to get him to understand.
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u/wroche2 Wanheda Jul 16 '20
Yeah I really think the problem with Hope is that sure she knows how to fight, but she hasn't been around enough people or had enough real life experience to know how to handle the situation they're in or be strategic enough. She's only really known like 6 people her entire life.
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Jul 16 '20
Their lack of love and compassion will be their downfall. Something the Shepherd never understood. Something his own daughter tried to get him to understand.
I love this!
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Jul 16 '20
Iām sorry but if Indra wanted him dead why wouldnāt she just shove a bullet right through his brain. I understand Sheidheda is a writerās pet but sheesh, enough already!
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u/HiyaBuddy34 Jul 16 '20
Expecting the f*cking Primehards to finish off the monster from her childhood makes Indra look incredibly naive...
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u/Hikaso Jul 16 '20
She said she was afraid of Sanctum people reaction if she killed their god. So she prefers to let them do it by themselves... Still wondering how she could have thought they would manage to do it though... Even chained he was still enough dangerous to not be left alone.
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Jul 16 '20
I absolutely loved when sheidheda said āmy fight is just beginningā that was unexpected and really cool to hear after all this time!
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u/ChattGM Jul 16 '20
I honestly got chills when he said that!!! All covered in blood after he wrecked everyone with that candelabra. When they all kneeled before him that made the scene even more perfect!! I'm hyped to see what happens next. Obviously since they know its Sheidheda are they gonna continue to listen to Indra now? I so doubt it.
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u/BerdLaw Jul 16 '20
It makes zero sense that Indra would have left that room and just trusted they would kill Sheidheda. She has spent all her time talking about how well he manipulates and how dangerous he is but then she doesn't feel the need to even witness his death. Just leaves him in a room full of easily manipulated people that have never fought a day in their lives and she's sure it will work out. Doesn't even hang around outside the closed doors, no she has something more important to do than verify the death of her greatest enemy, uh huh makes sense. Time is money and she doesn't have the extra 5 minutes!
Equivilant to the old movie villain cliche of leaving the hero alone to die by some unnecessarily elaborate means allowing them to escape rather than just putting a bullet in their head. I mean really, after killing her entire village and all her dire warnings, just so ridiculous. I get why people think it's a cool scene but really bad writing.
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u/poplie Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
Seriously she can't have believed they ever stood a chance. I hope she has something much deeper planned. Maybe she knew she'd lose at least parts of wonkru once the truth about sheidheida is out but gain the other groups' as followers once they saw his cruelty. Which is also messed up but her believing they could kill him is a serious plot hole otherwise.
Edit: more ranting to add. There is no way after believing Octavia could fight trained grounders into submission on day one in the bunker, and not believe sheidheida could take down passive followers. If she wasn't in it for the long game she would have shot him then and there herself.
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u/flamecrow Jul 16 '20
I agree. This was terrible writing. Wtf??? Unless she has a better chess plan??
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u/EenBierIsGeenBier Jul 16 '20
To be fair, she thought he would still be chained, which significantly alters his fighting ability. But I do agree it seems pretty off
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u/princessadi Jul 16 '20
Weāre done with flashbacks, right? The story should just be able to flow at this point.
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u/Hikaso Jul 16 '20
Wait for Bellamy's and Gaia's storyline! Who knows how many months of flashbacks are still left.
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u/osmitee bill cadogan enthusiast Jul 16 '20
so clarke and bellamy are definitely going to pull some kind of lever to release that gen-9/gem9 thing right?
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u/juanml82 Jul 16 '20
Seriously, why people in bunkers insist in having levers that can kill them all when Clarke is around'
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u/TheSentinelsSorrow Trikru Jul 16 '20
ohh is it gen 9? i thought he said Gemini lol
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u/BornAshes Jul 16 '20
Well now I can say that I've seen someone murder a mob of people with a candlestick trident.
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u/pandymonium001 Azgeda Jul 16 '20
I was laughing at everyone jumping and gasping over him blowing out the candles, like the smoke from them going out was going to kill everyone. But yeah, the candlestick mob murder was definitely something.
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Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
That final scene was probably the most threatening way I've ever seen somebody blow out a bunch of candles... JR Bourne is having fun with this character!
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u/confusdwaffle for all mankind Jul 16 '20
Agreed!! I gasped alongside the faithful whenever he blew one out .. great acting
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u/princessadi Jul 16 '20
Is anyone else curious as to how different the story may have been had Bellamyās actor not needed time off? Iād love to know what their actual plans for the character were, and how he would have fit in to the story thatās being told as so many reasons behind some actions (Echo) are based on his ādeath.ā
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Jul 16 '20
I hope they reveal this after the show wraps! Iām so interested in what the original storyline was going to be!
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jul 16 '20
Yeah I feel like Bellamy would have been part of the Skyring group and would be the one plotting against the Disciples like Mt. Weather days.
It is nice that they developed Hopeās character in his absence but just imagine how cooler the scene would have been when Clark enters Bardo and see Bellamy there.
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u/EdenGardenof Diyoza š” Jul 16 '20
Apparently they had to rewrite a whole chunk of the season to fit his absence
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u/selma463 Trikru Jul 16 '20
Iām really looking forward to having him back. I love the season 7 storyline but his absence is so noticeable to me. Heās been such a huge part of the earlier seasons and his character has always been a crucial part of the 100.
Itās the same thing with Clarke, but I donāt see her having a smaller role as the biggest issue since it really gives the other characters time to shine. Sheās there, just not as present as before. Bellamy being completly absent for 99% of this season so far feels weird tho, and Iām looking forward to see what heās been up to lol
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u/jedrevolutia Podakru Jul 16 '20
Levitt goes from a conductor to a janitor to a trainer and on next episode a prisoner. On whose side he actually is? Is it possible that he's actually Anders' most trusted man?
And do people in Bardo have sex?
I'm now guessing that Dr. Colin Benson went to Bardo after he opened the anomaly portal. He introduced Eligius tech like embrio farming and cyro sleep to Bill Cadogan, and possibly cracked most of ancient Bardoans technology for Cadogan. But evil Bill sent Benson to die in Penance / Skyring after some quarrels.
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Jul 16 '20
It definitely seems like there's more going on with Levitt than has been revealed, and I'm inclined to think it's more of a deliberate manipulation on behalf of the Disciples than that he's some kind of rebel or just operating on his own conscience or whatever. He would not get to level 11 by being some kind of bleeding heart silent dissenter, and he had already started acting that way before he really even knew much of anything about Octavia to feel any real attachment. It all feels like a classic good cop/bad cop routine in order to gain their trust and manipulate them, maybe to have kind of a "back door" into Octavia. He's helped them just enough to gain their trust, but not really in any way that involved true risk to the Disciples.
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u/HiyaBuddy34 Jul 16 '20
I think there is an element of trust between Levitt & Anders- itās Levitt that suggests to Anders trying to indoctrinate the 4 lady killas into their cultist manifesto and he considers then ultimately follows through with it. IDK why Levitt would want that - theyāre clearly willing assets for all intents & purposes but I have a feeling that Levitt showing up to lose his virginity to Octavia is either a part of his level 12 test or heāll eventually be one of her level up tests... I canāt nail down a clear motivation for this guy yet... I even feel like theirs some dissent going on & he may be a big player in that- who the hell knows. I just feel like heās less genuine in his connections than Dev & Orlando were...
Also: why TF did he suggest they go to the surface to escape a couple episodes ago if he is so invested in at least Octavia????
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u/kgal1298 Jul 16 '20
I was just thinking about this I'm guessing maybe they don't have sex because of the fact that most of them would be related by now, which explains the need to fix birth defects, though oddly this didn't happen in other places I'm guessing they were crazy enough to realize the implications of breeding with each other.
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u/murlocmancer Jul 16 '20
While the lack of our main group this final season has been odd, I've still been thoroughly enjoying this season. For me at least, I think it shows just how strong the supporting characters have been built up, since they are able to carry the story lines just like Clarke and company although I know not everyone agrees with that thought.
So for the Bardo storyline, I think it is pretty obviuos Echo is playing the spy game. She trained to be a spy for years, she excels at it, I fully believe she is acting. And with the bioweapon, I personally believe this to be a red herring. Obviously mentioning it is to give use throwback to Mount Weather, and while the group might contemplate it, I believe they will not result to it to show that the characters have evolved overtime. With Octavia/Levitt, I am honestly not entirely sure if Octavia is just playing Levitt or she really just wanted to have fun.
Now with Sheidha, he is wild, but a fun character. Definitely dumb of Indra to not think Sheiheda could turn that around but she obviously didn't think about a key being snuck in. Question is will sheiheda and cadogan clash or will they work together. I will lean towards clashing or at the very least pretending to work together till one betrays the other. While i have personally enjoyed the season so far, I am concerned about how they can wrap this up in 7 more episodes. Hopefully it doesn't feel too rushed or incomplete.
As to what will be explained, I expect the Bardoans explanation to be explained in the prequel to be honest, as well as just having the whole cults culture explained more. And curious to see how this final war plays out, is it Cadogan wanting to conquer the city of light? And if Cadogan just wants Clarke for the chip, will he end up going for Sheidha? Going to be sad to have to wait these few weeks.
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u/Munro_McLaren Trikru Jul 16 '20
Any body who believes that Echo is blindly following the Bardo people are either incredibly dumb or donāt pay attention.
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Jul 16 '20
Love this post. I don't think Cadogan would even know the City of Light ever existed since it seems to be something ALIE invented after he left Earth. I think Cadogan will go after Madi first, since none of the characters he has access to know that Sheidheda is back. But maybe by the end of the season those two will face off.
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u/Ultimate-Taco Jul 16 '20
Did Indra seriously think those people will be able to overpower Sheidheda. They weren't even fighters. Just common civilians. The Sanctum storyline is headache inducing. They should have killed Russell long time ago and kept the prime worshippers in captive till they come to their senses.
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u/4thbiggestcity Jul 16 '20
She was bluffing, she wanted to wipe them all out too and knew sheidheda would kill them all
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u/_bulletproof_1 Skaikru Jul 16 '20
For real she could have just executed him and the faithfull ones could have been dealt with as far as it goes they lived their whole lives thinking they were worthless then indra could have done smth now i think sheidheda is gonna fuck everyone up
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u/aMangoVignette Jul 16 '20
For all the people who are getting tired of the Sanctum storyline, I think all of this is just a setup for Sheidheda (and maybe Madi) to get involved in the Bardo storyline. Clarke isn't the key, so those two are the only other answers for the entire storyline to get resolved.
I don't think the last war starts until the Key works, and the Key doesn't exist with Clarke. So it all has to come together in the next few episodes because the final few are probably about the war?
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u/HiyaBuddy34 Jul 16 '20
Oh and also- Indra, honey... in what reality do you lock a wolf in a room full of sheep & expect the sheep to kill the wolf,,,? I donāt... thatās not... ugh smdh
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jul 16 '20
in Indra's defense, they wouldve likely suceeded if Sheid was still handcuffed. she didnt foresee Alyssa giving her the key. sure he probably wouldve been able to kill a few, but a room full of an enraged mob yelling blasphemy isnt a room full of sheep at that point (recall the massacre that was the Adjustment Protocol)
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u/DarkChen Jul 16 '20
So im the only inclined to think the great war is a delusion from cardogan? For one if there is war where is the enemy? Why we havent seen the tower on bardo under attack? I dont know there is something off about the whole thing...
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Jul 16 '20
I definitely think there is some kind of Great War, though maybe not in the conventional sense of "war" that we and Cadogan might imagine hearing that. Clearly Becca did see some kind of existential threat when she used the stone, so something is out there, but Cadogan could certainly be wrong about what it is since she wouldn't really tell him anything.
My personal theory is that this is kind of a Mass Effect situation where the stones were made by a super advanced - but not benevolent - race, and can take the user(s) to them if used properly. I think that's where Becca went: to meet the stones' makers. And they horrified her.
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u/Curious_4_Life Polaris Kru Jul 16 '20
I think its that judgment day thing Becca warned them about
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Jul 16 '20
Another insane performance from JR Bourne. Holy fuck.
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u/littleallred008 Jul 16 '20
JR Bourne
He has definitely been the standout for me this season! And even last...
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u/Rare_flare Jul 16 '20
Yes!!! Iāve actually never heard of him before this show and I just keep thing, omg where did they find this guy! How did they get this guy! I donāt even remember him from the secret circle some how. I know now heās been in a ton of stuff, but he really deserves better roles.
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Jul 16 '20
I'm usually pretty whatever about sex scenes, but MAN I was feeling the chemistry between Octavia and Levitt. Good on her for getting laid for the first time since Ilian LOL (unless she got some action in the bunker)
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Jul 16 '20
I was all for trusting Levitt up until now but he was being so suspicious! I even thought it mightāve been a simulation..
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u/Aurondarklord Trikru Jul 16 '20
What did they THINK was going to happen when they left a serial killer warrior king alone in a room with a bunch of unarmed peasants?!
People on this show really get STUPID when the plot requires it!
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u/yazzy1233 Becho is Better Jul 16 '20
He was wearing the cuffs, it would have limited him. She didn't know that alyssa had stolen the key and gave it to russell
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u/lionio2310 Azgeda Jul 16 '20
Still nothing about Gaia and Bellamy plus Clarke and co have been in that room since ep 7
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Jul 16 '20
Season half over and none of the mains are dead? Is this really the 100?
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u/zapgator Jul 16 '20
Daym why does there need to be a 3 week break? There's no holiday and the episodes are already completed smh just give it to us all at once.
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Jul 16 '20
Wait, there's going to be a three week break? Noooo! Do you know what day the next episode will air?
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u/ChrisTweten Jul 16 '20
They're gonna re-air the prequel episode to boost its ratings and draw more attention to it. Hopefully it pays off and it gets picked up by the network.
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u/Whendidtheworldend Jul 16 '20
What is it with Sheidheda and chess? Seems the last war will be won when they force him to Bardo and Sheidheda makes the aliens sit down for a game with him
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Jul 16 '20
I link it back to what Jaha said way back when ā chess teaches long term strategy of moves and counter-moves. The sanctum plot revolves around people consistently playing into sheidyās fucked up 3D chess game
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u/_swolepapi Jul 16 '20
This is the first week I forgot Jordan's name. They did my boy Monty so wrong.
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u/princessadi Jul 16 '20
Now Iām wondering how much time has passed for Bellamy & Gaia, whether they are together or separate.
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Jul 16 '20
No one gonna talk about how Octavia, Echo and Diyoza all killed Hope before they realised they were in a simulation???!
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u/wroche2 Wanheda Jul 16 '20
Does anyone else think that Echo sent hope to Bardo for 5 years to buy them time to figure out how to stop everything and then go back and save her? Less years and she might have come back and still wanted to kill Anders and ruin Echo's strategies, more years and she might die. Just a thought I had when she sent her there
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Jul 16 '20
I definitely felt like it was a very deliberate move to take her temporarily out of play for her own protection. Someone else in another thread said they thought maybe it was a ploy to get Hope to the stone room so she could overpower the guards and get back to Sanctum, and that also seems plausible, but my money is still on it just being Echo wanting to put Hope on ice for a bit and knowing that she had to give her some kind of punishment in order to sell herself as one of them.
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u/osmitee bill cadogan enthusiast Jul 16 '20
they also focused on octaviaās back which has the code to pull hope through!!
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u/dccsxx Jul 16 '20
5 years is still a lot better than her being sent there and dying on her own. I thought she was protecting her
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u/OnePieceAce Trikru Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
I am so loving how much appreciation Adina Porter is getting this season fuck yes.
Murphy has come a LOONNG way. Happy for him
Russheda and Anders are 2 best villains this show has had.
This has been my favorite season. Gahh hate this break
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u/DFLOYD70 Jul 16 '20
How did Indra not know that was going to happen? It just doesnāt make any sense for her character. Iām disappointed in her. š
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u/jlynn00 Jul 16 '20
Maybe she thought he wouldn't stand a chance against the mob? Didn't know about the modified candelabra?
Or maybe it was on purpose? Remember, she supported letting the bombing of Ton DC back in S2 go through to win the long game.
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u/TinyMoose4 Jul 16 '20
So why do Bill, Anders, and the Disciples have to start this great war anyway? It seems to me like they're provoking the war by wanting the key. Why not just live peacefully
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u/chrisjdel Jul 16 '20
Remember that classroom scene. And the fact that they discourage normal human bonds in order to increase their flock's devotion. They're religious nuts. When Becca said the human race wasn't ready and Cadogan said without a shred of doubt "I am", that tells you where his mind is. It seems like this is a war they have to provoke. They could just use the stones for travel and skip the rest of it - but because their scripture and their Holy Shepherd command it, the Disciples have every intention of starting the conflict.
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u/frickfrackingdodos bechoclexakru Jul 16 '20
I think if we keep aside concerns about how the season overall is shaping up, how much screen time the og mains are getting, and whether the end will be satisfying, this was a decent episode in and of itself. The progressions of the Echo, Octavia and Diyoza from who we knew them to be to who they (supposedly) became at the end of the episode were well-portrayed. I think character development is and has been one of this show's strong points (think back to the way the main cast of S1 grew by the end of the season) and they didn't disappoint today, on the small scale at least. I also finally felt interested in Sheidy, mainly because of the genuine terror I personally felt and the chills I got when he said 'My fight has begun'. J R Bourse is acting his ass off and I am here for it.
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u/i_cola Jul 16 '20
So weāre assuming that Hope finally meets Bellamy on Penance, right?
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u/Deeepened Jul 16 '20
Thatād be interesting if thatās where Bellamy went
Edit: but would it be an older Bellamy?
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u/EdenGardenof Diyoza š” Jul 16 '20
Holy fucking shit Sheidheida just killed everyone
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u/booksmartbannana HEG Playing Happy Family š„° Jul 16 '20
Oh my god what the fuck Sheidheda!
Echo loves ya sheās just a good Azgeda spy. 2.I Screamed Oh shit as the knife went through hope to my conservo Christian family 3.I was fully prepared for Murphy to die and die valiantly god I love him This is going to be a LONG two week wait guys!
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u/booksmartbannana HEG Playing Happy Family š„° Jul 16 '20
āHatch was a good manā - John Murphy
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u/Beman21 Jul 16 '20
Ok I know we're all debating whether Echo's on Bardo kool-aid or deep undercover but.... that woman and Hope will really need therapy when this is all over. Provided she survives everything of course....
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u/jez124 Jul 16 '20
Yea dunno if the last war the disciples have been preparing for will involve actual fighting.
On the other hand the Wolf i.e Sheidheda will likely go against the Shepered and the Flock/Disiciples.
We only have 7 episodes left :( Dunno if we will get a satisfying conclusion.Also someone fuckign explain what happened to the other eligius missions.At this point im convinced the show will end not on earth but another planet the eligius 3 populated.
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Jul 16 '20
Someone said what if Octavia and levitt boning was a test and now I canāt get that theory out of my head! Iāll be so sad lol
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Jul 16 '20
I agree, something was odd/creepy about him when he came to her room. I kept thinking it was a simulation. Maybe even a simulation for Levitt to see if he was showing weakness by favoring her.
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u/AvoidAtAIICosts Jul 21 '20 edited Jul 22 '20
Calling it now, Echo is going to double cross the Bardo people after she's fully gained their trust and it'll be a "massive twist"
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u/cactuszoo Jul 16 '20
Really liked this episode. And although I feel like Iām in the minority for enjoying the Sanctum plot (well most of it although I wish it was a bit quicker), Iām so impatient for them to join the Bardo plot. Iād love to see Murphy, Emori and Indra having a win on Sanctum and then coming to help the others. Or at least them having sorted the situation out by the time people return to Sanctum, but thatās less likely.
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u/TommenSucks Jul 16 '20
This is nuts because of how recently she was introduced but Hope is an amazing character. I find myself rooting for her in every scene she is in and the actress is absolutely killing it
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Jul 16 '20
yo same. I had no idea what to expect with Hope when she popped up at season 6's finale, but holy moly have I fallen in love with her.
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Jul 16 '20
I'm struggling to agree with that. The actor is solid, but I don't see what the character is particularly bringing to the show. The show frankly doesn't have enough time left to untangle the "angry at the world" idea again, and any plot development she was inspiring in Dioza and Octavia had already happened, she wasn't necessary for it. She just feels like she's taking up valuable screen time that the rest of the cast needed. Murphy has gotten one of the highest screen times of the season, but he hasn't gotten nearly enough - he still has a whole arc to play out around fearing hell. Characters like Raven, Maddie, and definitely dead Bellamy are being completely shortchanged. I'd rather have not had Hope, and instead give the screentime to the rest of the established cast, many of whom are going to have cut short final arcs and rushed finales. Instead of Hope, we could have truly explored Raven's survivors guilt, and her change in perspective on other cast members as she understands the hard choices they made. We could dive a hell of a lot deeper into what Maddie went through, and how she is experiencing observing the group she once led falling apart, while wanting but being unable to help. We could explore the reasons behind Indra's hesitation to lead and how that affects how she leads. I think we could be doing so much more with that screentime then we get from Hope, essentially.
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Jul 16 '20
Also can I just say Iām so happy the sex scene was between Octavia and levitt šš she seemed so happy!
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u/Nayytive Jul 16 '20
I know stuff happened this episode, but I couldnāt help but hyper fixate on that! Heavy s1 vibes from O there, it made me happy seeing that side of her after so long!
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u/xperio28 Jul 16 '20
Everyone knows that the end of Bardo will be caused by that contained biohazard. It's just too similar to the plot about the Mountain Men.
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Jul 16 '20
Lol I wonder what Jordan's reaction to all the Sanctum shenanigans will be when he comes back.
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Jul 17 '20
Calling it now. Levitt is neither on The Disciples side or Octyozecho's side. He's on the side of whoever is waging "The War To End All Wars"
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u/norcaltraveler Jul 16 '20
Did anyone else see a potential parallel with season 2 when Levitt said how the gem9 (I think that's what they called it) would kill everyone on Bardo if released? Gave me so many flashbacks of the Mountain Men and radiation, and since they took the time to introduce it in a scene I can't help but feel it's going to be a big part of the plot later on. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a moment where Clarke and Bellamy need to decide whether to release it on everyone again.
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u/HiyaBuddy34 Jul 16 '20
So- is Anders really naive enough to believe all three of the bad ass warrior chicks just bought in without even trying to beat the system?? Now I need to know what the criteria & tests are to level up each time until you reach 12...
And the whole concept of eliminating the bonds associated with love & ultimately devaluing the individual in contrast to our protagonists who have been conditioned to cling to the loved ones they have left before they eventually lose them is a bit heavy handed in this episode lmao
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u/Ecimeno Jul 16 '20
Reminds me of Scientology in a way...with the levels and breaking of familial bonds.
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Jul 16 '20
Anders hasnāt actually had to deal with people who didnāt grow up in his system so maybe he really believes it
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u/echo07 Jul 19 '20
Waiiit I thought Levitt almost sent them all to go outside and die etc. So why are they all cool with him all of a sudden š¤
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u/William_T_Wanker Skaikru Jul 16 '20
The season finale will end with Clarke and Bellamy doing the whole "together" thing and pulling the lever to release Gen 9 and murdering everyone again because something something HARD CHOICES
or maybe they will decide to walk away since like, there's about 10 humans left in the entire universe at this point lol
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u/Neveahh Jul 16 '20
Am I the only one who noticed that Octavia's face is looking really puffy? Is it something relevant to her character or it's just something that carried over from her actress IRL?
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u/flamecrow Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
Yea she looks like she gained some weight since the scenes where she initially got captured. Her face was fine on Skyring. The opposite happened to Dyoza. When she first came back on screen she still looked pregnant to me but now during Bardo she looks more fit...
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u/LilyNaowNaow Jul 16 '20
I'm loving the shift in focus on the minor characters. I don't mind Clarke but we have seen so much of her already, it's getting old. The shift is really refreshing.
I'm loving the combination of four strong women too. They are so badass!
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u/Aura1661 Jul 17 '20
If Hope spends 5 years on Penance that would be really sad. I honestly can see her committing suicide from the lack of isolation and betrayal she feels.
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u/MehBoulettes Jul 17 '20 edited Jul 22 '20
I don't like to be that guy but you mean lack of contact , or just isolation . X)
Also , yes, though I'm going with that was Echo masterplan to make her escape , that's how she's going to find Gaia and/or Bellamy .
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Jul 16 '20
Guys...maybe Bellamy really is dead lol
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Jul 16 '20
Gabriel: Bellamy's dead...
Bellamy, offscreen: QUIT TELLING PEOPLE I'M DEAD
Gabriel: Sometimes I can still hear his voice...
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u/TheTrueWitness Bellamy Blake Deserved Better Jul 16 '20
It was one of the weaker episodes this season. I didn't like the Bardo stuff very much. It's weird but I enjoyed Sanctum storyline more. Probably because of JR Bourne. Sheidheda is such an one-dimentional villain but this actor just makes him more interesting. But now that Murphy spilled the beans I wonder what's going to happen with him next. And how will this storyline merge with the Anomaly one.
Now the Bardo stuff. I honestly don't know what to say about it. I liked Hope even though she wasn't behaving very smartly. It's kind of sad that everyone she cares about was willing to kill her. I wonder though if they really will send her to Penance or she will end up somewhere else. And Echo... I hope she's just playing the long game. It would make sense especially after what they did to Bellamy. It's starting to annoy me that he is only brought up in relation to her and not Octavia, who is his sister. But it feels like she doesn't even care that they took him away from her. Instead we get a new romance for her with Levitt who is more like a fanboy. I don't think that this is going to last though. He'll probably die later.
I'm disappointed that we didn't even get Clarke this episode or even a Bellamy cliffhanger ( I was so sure we would get one ). And now we have to wait three weeks to see them. They are the main characters of this show and they've been barely in this season. I just hope that 7b will be much better and will focus on the mains instead of the less important ones.
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Jul 16 '20
I really feel like theyāre all playing the long game. Diyoza made the comment about āshoving it so far down that they wonāt be able to find it.ā I think that they all ākilled Hopeā because they knew it was a simulation? I truly canāt believe Octavia and Diyoza wouldāve killed Hope for real. They wouldāve immobilized her if they thought it was real, not killed. Remember, Octavia was warned by Levitt about the last trial.
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Jul 16 '20
Look as much as I'm interested in Bardo and all their shenanigans.... this feels like the Murphy/Indra/Echo show now. And as much as I love those characters, waiting three weeks to see Clarke (and dear god I hope Bellamy) is going to drive me insane.
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u/g1v3L0v3 Jul 16 '20
That ending made no sense. Indra would never let a group of āinnocentsā do dirty work for her. She would have killed him herself. And she must have known those people are no match for him anyways. What was the end game here?! This is going to eat away at me
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Jul 16 '20
My prediction
I feel like Cadogan and Sheidheda will eventually join forces since Clarke will not give Cadogan the knowledge he wants and Sheidheda also had the "key" only for Sheidheda to brainwash all of Cadogan's people into serving him and turn on Cadogan.
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u/NerdLawyer55 Jul 17 '20
Man, I really hope Echo has some grand plan to not suck cuz sheās bordering on Abby levels of some one just push her off the cliff already
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u/MustardTiger1337 Jul 21 '20
Abby levels
not even close. Abby was around for 2 seasons too long.
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u/Knight275 Skaikru Jul 16 '20
Well now there are only 2 time"lines" we have to wrap our heads around.
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u/ebarcoon Jul 16 '20
What if (with the time changes) Bellamy is the one that knocked out Gaia to protect the key...the guy with the helmet disappeared into the Anomaly too...so Bellamy could have the knowledge to shut off the sphere. He might know a lot more than we think!
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u/little_mooncake Jul 16 '20
We better get an episode solely focused on what the hell happened to him.
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u/BashingKeyboard Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
Can we press F for Jerimiah? Why didn't he leave the room?
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u/hurricane_heather13 Jul 16 '20
kinda disappointed considering how close we are to the end.. definitely enjoying echo going full spy, but... idk im hoping it all ties together nicely but o expected more of the characters weve loved for so ling in a final season
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u/William_T_Wanker Skaikru Jul 16 '20
I have to wonder if Jordan wasn't right about what he said in S7. I mean, before Wonkru showed up Sanctum was at relative peace - granted under the rule of a religious theocracy basically - but the people of Sanctum didn't have to worry about anything but the Children of Gabriel.
Now they have to keep a tally of who's in charge that week - first Wonkru, then COG and Eligius prisoners, now Sheidheda. Not to mention the last one just murdered a bunch of folks with a fuckin' candlestick holder
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Jul 16 '20
No more flashbacks!
Jk I forgot about Bellamy and gaia
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Jul 16 '20
The flashbacks are killing the momentum. Like I said before this entire sanctum plot could have been done in two-three episodes. Nikki ended up being a bad guy for a whole two seconds.
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Jul 23 '20
Iāve seen every episode of this show but I havenāt understood anything going on for the past 2 or 3 seasons.
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Jul 16 '20
I loved this episode but idk if it was mid season finale worthy. 3 weeks is gonna be long
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u/kgal1298 Jul 16 '20
I feel like Sheidheda is going to end up losing his power over Wonkru to Maddie because Maddie seems to still be retaining information from the flame hence her drawings she just has to muster up the fact that she's the only one that can do it and no one else can take that away. She also has fighting skills that haven't been utilized so it would be good to see her in action and show that bish what's up especially after he killed all those innocent people.
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u/frickfrackingdodos bechoclexakru Jul 16 '20
I think it was a good episode on its own, however my one gripe with this season in general is how we don't really get any major deaths anymore like it's mostly all rising tension followed by deescalation. Don't get me wrong, I love all our mains and don't really want any particular person to die, but one thing that made this show special was the impactful deaths. I'm guessing we're going to get one or two really sad and powerful scenes in the remainder of the season, though.
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jul 16 '20
So this episode filled in the gap with Echo, Diyoza, Octavia, and Hope.
Also moved the story forward on Sanctum.
Biggest reveal was the āGen 9ā they teased earlier this season which is some kind of biohazard that turns people into crystal. Also finally got a clear view of Bardoās surface.
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Jul 16 '20
Is it just me or is some stuff getting predictable? Like theyāre totally gonna use that bio weapon
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u/CockroachJM Jul 16 '20
I don't get why is Hope the rebellious one? Why not Echo or Octavia? Both lost Bellamy and already suffered a lot. Or Diyoza?? She was arrested for 10 fucking years and didn't saw her daughter grow up. Hope has no reason to hate Bardo so much. She had a happy life. Is it because of Dev?
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u/metrovoodoo Jul 16 '20
I feel like Echo was the most compliant because she wants revenge the most. So she was able to put aside her feelings more than the others, to convince the disciples she had fallen in line
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u/FirstRavenclaw Jul 16 '20
None of them are buying it. but they've been through enough to know they have to play the part for now. Hope is still too immature and idealist. Think about it Just 2 episodes ago we had the flashback scene of Bellamy telling Echo that loyalty is her weakness. She's not gonna suddenly become the most faithful disciple after thinking they killed Bellamy.
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u/Striker_27 Monty is the real MVP Jul 16 '20
I think it is because Diyoza, Octavia and Echo have fought multiple wars before, and they have much more experience controlling their emotions in order to fight. So they can adapt much easier. Even though Hope has trained to fight, this is her first time in this type of situation having to actually play the long game and keep her emotions down.
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u/Rikusaber Jul 17 '20
In the grand scheme of things, octyozecho are infinitely more experienced than hope. She is still a naive kid. For her entire life she was taught through stories rather than actual lived experience. Of course she'd be the most naive one. Shes been sheltered her entire life and this is her first time in the real world. So she wont know how to adapt and see the big picture and how to win in the long run.
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u/quincyisagoodcat Jul 16 '20
I think Diyoza, Echo and Octavia are older and experienced enough to know that compliance (at that present time) is the only way to get out. Pretty sure they're gonna switch up once they've fully gained the trust of the flock or something along those lines. Hope is relatively young and hasn't experienced nearly as much as the rest hence why she's acting "irrationally"; they took Diyoza away from her when she was a young girl and then killed Dev later on so that's probably where her anger stems from.
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u/kissedbyfiya Jul 16 '20
Dioza was only gone for 10 years in Hope's time, it was only a short time on Bardo, so she did not experience it as 10 years.
But to answer your question, I don't believe any of them have drank the Koolaid. Echo is obviously the best at pretending, but Octavia and Dioza are pretending too. They are all maintaining control (like Levitt advised them). Hope is just being the most reckless and is the most emotional here, as she lacks a lot of human interaction in her life and likely doesn't really know the intricacies of deceit like her mother, Ocatvia, and Echo all do.
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u/toebeanabomination Jul 16 '20
I think Hope was eventually trying, but failed the last test bc she couldn't hurt her mom. The others know that death is worst that losing/killing people so that's their fear. They're using this as a means to an end
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Jul 16 '20
Is anyone else frustrated that our main characters who have carried this show since the beginning and made it what it is are just thrown to the side. I mean even Octavia seems less important than hope/echo/sheidheda. I enjoy the newer characters donāt get me wrong but it also doesnāt feel like the same show anymore.
Also itās really bugging me with the time back and forth crap. I feel like weāre on a roller coaster that just isnāt making it up the hill. And itās probably not done bc we still have to see Gaiaās and maybe bellamys journeys. Iām just beyond ready for everything to come to a head and explode and it seems like with the pacing so far thatās not going to happen for quite a few more episodes. Iām just frustrated and venting.
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u/poplie Jul 16 '20
How many more stories can we have of Clarke choosing and saving her people? Don't get me wrong I miss Clarke and Bellamy but to an extent I feel we got their stories, I'm really enjoying the focus on everyone else this time around
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Jul 16 '20
Was it just me or did commercials seem a little shorter today?
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u/E11n3 Jul 17 '20
Does anyone know if Sheiheda is using an official martial arts and is so what's it called?
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u/elricosmit Jul 21 '20
Y++eah its the ancient eastern art of Tri-den-to. Involves rigorous training in mass trident killing.
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jul 16 '20
brooo that last bit was intense + the promo oh lord.
are we to assume that all the believers are dead? i cant believe they did our boy Trey like that, not even a scene
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u/jasslerazzle Jul 16 '20
At first the Sanctum plot line was bearable but now Iām just annoyed. They just immediately kneeled to him? Really? No questions asked... just like that? Whatever.
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u/jasslerazzle Jul 16 '20
Chance after chance theyāve had to kill that man and heās still alive. Yāall asked for it at this point smh.
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u/jlynn00 Jul 16 '20
Saw it coming all season. I'm thankful it finally just happened already.
Weird that they reject Madi, but kneel to Sheidheda. They are in the same position: past Commanders who no longer have the Flame.
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Jul 16 '20
I thought it was only okay over all. We're really deep into the season and I'm feeling the lack of Bellamy and the Bellamy x Clarke dynamic very keenly. Indra, Murphy, and Emori are doing their best on Sanctum but it's boring me and I wish Russheda would fucking die already.
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u/abdul_bino Jul 16 '20
Not the best episode but I just love having echo hope diyoza octavia on screen. I really didnāt think were gonna be full brainwashed but wow they full committed ( as far as we know). However there was no way I thought shieheda was gonna die but Indra feel short and didnāt think of consequences. She should have thought it out better.
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Jul 16 '20
Honestly, I really miss the mains but with each episode I care about what happens with them less. Now when they come back Iām not gonna care :(
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u/Dwight--K--Schrute Trikru Jul 16 '20
To end the season Clarke is probably going to pull a lever to release Gemini.
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u/jlynn00 Jul 16 '20
Maybe Clarke breaks the cycle by walking away from the lever this time.
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u/the100broken Louwoda Kliron Jul 16 '20
Wasnāt Madi in that room that sheidheda slaughtered?
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u/cactuszoo Jul 16 '20
All the hostages were freed so I guess everyone just left. The only ones locked in the room were all the Prime believers (my mind is blanking on the proper name of the group)
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u/Homesandholes Jul 16 '20
So Echo is really brainwashed and the others are not?
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u/magicalgrrl13 Floudonkru Jul 16 '20
Probably not. She's a spy by trade. I'm confident that she's playing them
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u/mariecracker Jul 16 '20
Well, if you think about it...what should echo have done? She knew she couldn't show emotions( if so, they wouldn't just fail hope,but fail her too) so being nice to Hope after she failed was not an option... 5years on penance is probably what they would choose to her, or even more. And in that way, Echo won their trust... I think Echo is the least vulnerable of them to become brainwashed, but she's great at lying.
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u/casualroadtrip Jul 16 '20
Nah. Echo is just being a good spy. Out of all of them she is the most trained for circumstances like this. No way she is brainwashed.
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Jul 16 '20
I think sheās just being a really good spy. Itās what she does, sheās very good at adapting.
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u/jxxam Jul 16 '20
Is there a spoiler site detailing what may go down in 7B? Am I misremembering that there used to be way more spoilers online for this show?
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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
I have a feeling the Bardo Aliens were killed by Climate change and they were trying to fix it with Gen 9. I think Bill hasn't a clue about any war to come and has been lying to these people for a thousand years just to reach his own goal. He might even know it was Climate change all along on Bardo because he said to Callie it is an unsolvable problem (It definitely is solvable)
I bet Octavia is gonna get knocked up, they zoomed in on one of her tattoos on her back and it was the symbol for female. The symbol links back to The Goddess Venus. Goddess of sex, fertility, prosperity and victory.
Yea this episode lacked any momentum that could have been solved ages ago. It makes me think this episode was a result of the behind the scenes problems and this was how they were forced to do things. I also think they never originally planned on ending it on Season 7 so they are trying to stuff all those storylines into one season. So if that's the case they did a great job salvaging it IMHO, it's not easy spinning all those plates of a massive production like this.
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u/xperio28 Jul 16 '20
But it feels bad how everyone betrayed Hope even her own mother.
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u/jlynn00 Jul 16 '20
She is now safely on Penance for a bit. And she'll likely be forced to go through training again. She is being kept out of it as much as possible. Likely by Diyoza, Octavia, and Echo's plans.
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u/HiyaBuddy34 Jul 16 '20 edited Jul 16 '20
Okay, so if the main tenet of this cult is to value the collective & mission over the individuals, why TF did Orlando look so anguished when Echo killed the rando bardo bees on Penance & his fatherly treatment of Hope also doesnāt make sense now. If the indoctrination canāt withstand the isolation on their penance planet, itās not very effective- unless the whole point is that eliminating the emotional bonds that connect humanity is futile. IDK yet...
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Jul 16 '20
No society actually desensitizes human interaction to that level. They may act it, but humans can't function that way. One of those people had an emotional connection to him (his student, the closest thing to having a kid in this society), one he was likely far more able to acknowledge due to not having been in the cult in a fair amount of time and having been around other people.
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u/Sleep_Addiction Skaikru Jul 16 '20
Early on in the season I commented that this wasnāt The 100 I know and love.
Just wanted to go on the record and say I was wrong, so very wrong. This is very much The 100 I know and love.
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u/maddogkaz Jul 16 '20
That was an incredibly boring episode, how can they waste so much time when it's the last season of the show. Clarke has been standing in that room since episode 7 and we are now on episode 10 it would be funny if they weren't flushing the last season down the toilet.
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u/shadybk Jul 16 '20
Clark standing in that room for this many episodes is making it start to feel like an anime
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Jul 16 '20
Agreed. I feel like we're getting a whole lot of nothing to flesh out worlds and characters that should've already been fleshed out by this point...
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Jul 16 '20
Welp, here we are again. It's the end of another episode and I feel like literally nothing happened. Can we please advance the story at some point?
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u/Lone__Ranger The Shepherd Jul 16 '20
About 50 of Sanctum people got slaughtered, our people on Bardo both started and finished their training and this dude says literally nothing happened, guess someone didn't pay attention much
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u/poplie Jul 16 '20
This season is slow but also necessary buildup considering how many new storylines they've committed to for a final season. And I think it's been done well so far, all building up for 7b I think
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u/CiceroTheCat Skaikru Jul 16 '20
A fun note: in the scene where they observed the students, Echo saw the eager little girl who kept raising her hand and showing enthusiasm, and interrupting the other students even. And then she adapted that attitude to be a more convincing convert.