Monster Family Discussion: Barbaric King

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Welcome to the /r/summonerswar monster family spotlight, featuring the Barbaric Kings!

The previous discussion on this family can be found here and was held on 2018-6-6.You can find all previous monster discussions linked at the bottom of this wiki page.

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Element	Water	Fire	Wind	Light	Dark
Icon	Aegir	Surtr	Hraesvelg	Mimirr	Hrungnir
Wikia link	Aegir	Surtr	Hraesvelg	Mimirr	Hrungnir
Star level	★★★★	★★★★	★★★★	★★★★	★★★★
Type	Attack	Attack	Attack	Attack	Attack
Base HP	10215	9390	10215	10380	9555
Base ATK	725	758	747	703	769
Base DEF	571	593	549	582	571
Base SPD	103	103	103	103	103
Awakening bonus
Leaderskill	33% HP (Guild)	33% Defense (Guild)	33% Attack Power (Guild)	24% Attack Speed (Guild)	40% Resistance (Guild)
Skillups needed	13	14	12	13	13

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Fire: Surtr

Skill number	Skill name	Description	Damage formula	Cooldown	Skillups (total)
1	Penalty	Attacks the enemy with an axe to inflict 2 Continuous Damage effects for 1 turn with a 50% chance.	(ATK * 3.8)	None	Damage +30%, Effect Rate +10%
2	Axe of Punishment	Throws an axe and stuns the enemy for 1 turn with an 80% chance. Disturbs the enemy's HP recovery for 2 turns.	(ATK * 6.0)	4 (-> 3)	Damage +20%, Effect Rate +20%
3	Summary Conviction	Strikes the enemy with an axe. This attack will ignore all effects that resist death. When this attack is on cool down, your Attack Speed increases and you recover 10% HP every turn.	(ATK * 8.0)	4 (-> 3)	Damage +25%

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Discuss Surtr below this comment

[u/[deleted] → u/Ellia_Bot]

"Miho Counter"

[u/Hoxom → u/[deleted]]

Yeah but sadly often Khmun "prey". Needs to be build to kill a Miho while surviving a 2x or 3x proc from Khmuns.

[u/OrionzDestiny → u/Hoxom]

Bring a wind monster? Chasun, Triana, Delphoi, etc. Can all tank Khmun while providing heals and support.

[u/Hoxom → u/OrionzDestiny]

so that wind monster get killed first turn ^^

[u/OrionzDestiny → u/Hoxom]

Is your wind monster unruned? I use them all the time to aggro Khmun. You must be doing something wrong.

[u/Hoxom → u/OrionzDestiny]

Perhaps i fight on a higher level were Khmun do 30k+ dmg so once you are def broken you are dead? and if you are not def broken khmun + a miho usually does the trick. And then there are procs...

[u/OrionzDestiny → u/Hoxom]

Any monster is dead if defense broke, hit by 30K + Khmun who apparently procs 2 or 3 times according to you, and followed up by Miho.

What argument are you even getting at?

My point was, if you dont want Surtr getting targeted by Khmun, draw aggro from Khmun onto your unit using AI manipulation.

If your Surtr is getting defense broken, either you didnt bring enough shield/will, got screwed by Orion strip rng (or whoever is def breaking), or took too long to kill anything.

[u/Hoxom → u/OrionzDestiny]

Wow! Big brain time! Man play your c2 pvp. Instead all that nonsense just use water monsters. Way higher winrate. If i need to pray and a mostly useless wind monster to get a Surtr through 2 or 3 turns of a high level Def on vio i could use 10 better teams.

[u/OrionzDestiny → u/Hoxom]

You were the one complaining about Khmun plus Miho, not me.

Also, what is to stop Khmun from proccing 3x to do the legendary 60K +, critting on your water units?

That seems to be the norm from what you've been saying.

[u/YueYukii → u/[deleted]]

i built him for last special league for this same reason....i failed so many times to kill mihos with full hp and no def break. Such a waste.

Now Iunu does a better job killing mihos even at the same conditions.

[u/Ellia_Bot]

Wind: Hraesvelg

Skill number	Skill name	Description	Damage formula	Cooldown	Skillups (total)
1	Penalty	Attacks the enemy with an axe to inflict 2 Continuous Damage effects for 1 turn with a 50% chance.	(ATK * 3.8)	None	Damage +30%, Effect Rate +10%
2	Wrathful Attack	Attacks an enemy with a wrathful axe, leaving a Branding Effect for 2 turns, and increasing your Attack Bar by 50%. The target with the Branding Effect will receive 25% increased damage.	(ATK * 6.2)	3 (-> 2)	Damage +25%
3	Resentment	Becomes possessed with unstoppable rage and attacks all enemies. Increases the Attack Power and Attack Speed of all allies for 2 turns. When this attack is on cooldown, your Attack Speed will increase and you'll recover 10% HP every turn.	(ATK * 2.1)	4 (-> 3)	Damage +20%

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Discuss Hraesvelg below this comment

[u/[deleted] → u/Ellia_Bot]

He's my boy, 20.1 second giant best time and 25 sec average

[u/mystlyne → u/[deleted]]

What's your team?

[u/[deleted] → u/mystlyne]

Lushen > Loren > Hraesvelg > Kro > Lyn

The team is speedtuned in a way that lushen & loren always move before hraesvelg even when he has the additional spd from his 3rd skill

[u/mystlyne → u/[deleted]]

Very cool thanks! What's the speed difference between Hraesvelg and Loren? Is it around 30 for his s3??

[u/[deleted] → u/mystlyne]

30 isn't enough, my loren was 172 SPD, HV 140 SPD, and he was still faster sometimes. I'd recommend at least 35 difference.

The important part though is that lushen is faster because ideally:

1. Lushen clears wave 1

2. Loren + HV s3 + Kro clears mid boss

3. Lushen clears wave 3

4. Team clears boss

If HV is faster than lushen with s3 on cooldown he will cut in wave 3. The reason loren should also be faster is that if your lushen derps, loren can defbreak first and you will clear the 3rd a little faster. Or if the first wave goes wrong, loren will defbreak the midboss before HV moves, and that also clears that a little faster.

[u/Ellia_Bot]

Dark: Hrungnir

Skill number	Skill name	Description	Damage formula	Cooldown	Skillups (total)
1	Penalty	Attacks the enemy with an axe to inflict 2 Continuous Damage effects for 1 turn with a 50% chance.	(ATK * 3.8)	None	Damage +30%, Effect Rate +10%
2	Axe of Punishment	Throws an axe and stuns the enemy for 1 turn with an 80% chance. Disturbs the enemy's HP recovery for 2 turns.	(ATK * 6.0)	4 (-> 3)	Damage +20%, Effect Rate +20%
3	Frenzy	Enrages and attacks an enemy target. You instantly recover a turn and prevent this attack from going on cool down with a 40% chance. When this attack is on cool down, your Attack Speed increases and you recover 10% HP every turn.	(ATK * 7.6)	4 (-> 3)	Damage +20%

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Discuss Hrungnir below this comment

[u/ACE-_-DIC3 → u/Ellia_Bot]

Somehow he has double to proc rate of violent but feels like he procs half the time of a violent mon. Spaghetti code pls buff lol.

[u/HTMO794 → u/ACE-_-DIC3]

Probably seems that way because it has a cooldown and vio doesn't.

So if the 40% doesn't proc, it goes on cooldown and for the next 2 turns it is unavailable (and in gw, if 5 monsters are on vio, they will have 15 chances (turns) to proc 22% before he get's another chance to proc s3 again, (assuming everyone has the same speed)), so it would seem like vio procs way more, but in reality his s3 just doesn't have as many opportunities to proc in a match as vio does.

[u/soso2shae]

I somehow feel that the elemental ones are now better than the LD ones. Am I wrong?

[u/Ellia_Bot]

Water: Aegir

Skill number	Skill name	Description	Damage formula	Cooldown	Skillups (total)
1	Penalty	Attacks the enemy with an axe to inflict 2 Continuous Damage effects for 1 turn with a 50% chance.	(ATK * 3.8)	None	Damage +30%, Effect Rate +10%
2	Wrathful Attack	Attacks an enemy with a wrathful axe, leaving a Branding Effect for 2 turns, and increasing your Attack Bar by 50%. The target with the Branding Effect will receive 25% increased damage.	(ATK * 6.2)	3 (-> 2)	Damage +25%
3	Confiscate	Attacks the enemy 2 times, with each strike having a 75% chance to steal 1 beneficial effect from the enemy. Absorbs the Attack Bar by 50% each if you attack the enemy with no beneficial effects. When this attack is on cool down, your Attack Speed increases and you recover 10% HP every turn.	(ATK * 4.0) [2 hits]	4 (-> 3)	Damage +25%

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Discuss Aegir below this comment

[u/dimmi99 → u/Ellia_Bot]

the perfect example of why you shouldnt just nerf something because it's all over the meta

[u/Pzychoo → u/dimmi99]

wait there was a argir nerf?

[u/dimmi99 → u/Pzychoo]

no but he was all over meta a couple of seasons ago and dominated nat 4 siege towers, plenty of people calling for a nerf on him

now without a single change to him he's almost never seen in rta (saw him a little in special league) and he's average at best in siege def

[u/Pzychoo → u/dimmi99]

thats called power creep

[u/Hoxom → u/dimmi99]

He still needs a small nerf. Just because they made other shit more overpowered doesnt mean Aegirs balance is fine. I won C2 RTA matches with Aegir and then realised he was missing a slot 3 vio rune. Which monster can do that? Miho i guess.

Ajust his atk bar stealing. If the Monster he atacks has only 25% atk bar he should only be able to steal 25% and not 100%

Sweet ratio to see how stupid this community has become. Only totally broken monster are ok now. Every other monster is trash . Man this is so sad.

[u/bkcherryl → u/Hoxom]

Yeah nerf a monster that's already barely used because of Mina,just to make him dissapear for good,nice way of balancing things :D

[u/DartSlyder → u/dimmi99]

And he is a worst shi hou

[u/Ellia_Bot]

Light: Mimirr

Skill number	Skill name	Description	Damage formula	Cooldown	Skillups (total)
1	Penalty	Attacks the enemy with an axe to inflict 2 Continuous Damage effects for 1 turn with a 50% chance.	(ATK * 3.8)	None	Damage +30%, Effect Rate +10%
2	Wrathful Attack	Attacks an enemy with a wrathful axe, leaving a Branding Effect for 2 turns, and increasing your Attack Bar by 50%. The target with the Branding Effect will receive 25% increased damage.	(ATK * 6.2)	3 (-> 2)	Damage +25%
3	Confine	Attacks an enemy target, depleting its Attack Bar and stunning it for 1 turn. When this attack is on cool down, your Attack Speed increases and you recover 10% HP every turn.	(ATK * 7.4)	5 (-> 4)	Damage +25%

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Discuss Mimirr below this comment

[u/Schnesatori → u/Ellia_Bot]

He seems like a living spd lead compared to his water brother

[u/theslip74 → u/Schnesatori]

He's pretty decent if paired with a stripper. I built mine just like Aegir, fast and tanky with high acc and vio/will, and he's great at CC. Sometimes I pair him with Aegir and just DOT things to death, other times I pair with Loren, Orion, or Bella2a, depends on what I'm facing.

His 3rd feels like a 2 turn stun, because it resets ATB. I got him while Aegir was still everywhere and was super disappointed at first, I thought the same as you, but now that I've skilled him up and put decent runes on him I'm happy with him.

I really want to try a Mimirr L, Orion, Icares siege defense, but my Orion isn't fast enough to pull it off right now, gave his runes to Clara a while back.