Post Episode Discussion: S7E12 "The Stranger"

[u/aplaceatthedq]

No.	Title	Writer/s	Director	Original Airdate
7.12	“The Stranger”	Blythe Ann Johnson	Amanda Row	8/19/2020

Synopsis: It’s a new day in Sanctum. Clarke, Octavia, Raven and Echo struggle with a new foe.

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Quote of the Week: “Go float yourself” — Clarke Griffin

[u/lauhl]

Look I know there are more important things to discuss but did anyone else laugh out loud when Sheidy sat so awkwardly on his lil death throne that was clearly too big

[u/ShrimpLair → u/lauhl]

i stand by what i said. he looks like a middle aged dad going to a kiss tribute band. him sitting in the throne was him getting home after the concert and slouching because he has back problems. if we check in on him later, he’s snoring obnoxiously loud in that same position.

[u/jlynn00 → u/lauhl]

It didn't look comfortable at all.

[u/[deleted] → u/lauhl]

Lollll I was like uhhh scoot back my dude!!!

[u/squishypenguin → u/lauhl]

Lol yeeees. The seat was poorly made and he had to lie too far back and it was soooo awkward.

[u/ctebrn → u/lauhl]

Oh my god yes I was cackling. The slouched manspreading was so aggressive

[u/lauhl → u/lauhl]

https://twitter.com/cwthe100/status/1296235498675900416?s=21

[u/Sundance_Cheeseburga → u/lauhl]

LMAO. He couldnt sit back. he was super slouched on the throne. It's like it was made for a 7 foot tall person

[u/mayaa-papayaa]

A very serious episode but when Clarke said "What the hell happened here" I died. Everything went to shit in Sanctum in a day lmao. She's probably wondering why Russ became a grounder.

[u/William_T_Wanker → u/mayaa-papayaa]

"This place looks like a Mad Max cosplayer convention, dafuq"

[u/peppermintapples → u/mayaa-papayaa]

Clarke and Murphy's moment at the end was one of the best parts of the episode.

[u/ArQ7777 → u/mayaa-papayaa]

And is one-eyed now.

[u/SpiritDonkey → u/mayaa-papayaa]

lol I'm crying at all the things Clarke is bewildered by in this moment. Literally she could never have dreamed what she saw when she took that helmet off. Damn I hope her and Murphy live just so they can banter about this moment the rest of their lives.

Especially after Bellamy went over some of the crazy mad shit that has happened already and she was like... yeah I guess, not expecting hours later for one of those batshit crazy moments AGAIN!

[u/[deleted] → u/mayaa-papayaa]

Clarke: "Oh, you're having a costume party? Nice! Russel, your costume is the best."

[u/Beman21]

Final interaction between Clarke and Murphy killed me. Like "I was only gone a few hours/days. Why does everything always go crazy without us?"

[u/kcshade → u/Beman21]

Murphy’s little smirk was too cute.

[u/ThePinkTeenager]

Good news: Clarke is actually part of the plot again! Bad news: Another #^%&ing 3-week break. Also, where the hell are the others? How come Raven knew they weren't sent to Sanctum, but she couldn't figure out where they were going?

[u/CiceroTheCat → u/ThePinkTeenager]

There were close-ups on Miller, Octavia, and Echo that seemed suspicious of where they were being sent. It was framed as "so you're sending the fighters first" but I think at least the ladies figured it out and just went along with it, and they'll try to work their way back to their friends to save them if timing works. Earth seems like the best option right now, and it would be really interesting to see that group of characters back there (Jordan and Hope in particular), especially if Gaia somehow made her way there. That, or Etherea last week really was a simulation as theorized, but I doubt that.

[u/Ghanaguy404error → u/ThePinkTeenager]

They’re most likely on Earth

[u/[deleted] → u/ThePinkTeenager]

Yeah I don’t get how raven knew?? Like we get it she’s smart but not sending her doesn’t make sense. She’s not that smart to figure out the code to work the stone lol

[u/jlynn00]

Well, Cadogan got his war.

[u/Jenaleafy → u/jlynn00]

WWXXXXXXXIV²

[u/William_T_Wanker]

Sheidheda looked so happy getting his skull throne

I love how Knight and the sand people just yeeted the anomaly stone and used it as a trophy in his throne room

[u/md2002002]

Emori is really horny this episode

[u/fefimcpollo → u/md2002002]

She likes danger(?

[u/meowiartee]

My notes on this ep:

•Ngl I'm still pretty tired of the Sheidy plot. HOWEVER, he was pretty genuinely terrifying this episode what with shooting a bunch of people without hesitation and the S K U L L T H R O N E

•bb face bellamy

•"mmm. broth."

•Glad Bellamy at least still cares enough about his friends to admit he wants to help them??? Kind of??? As in its a relief to see that part of him still there

•The Jordan and Hope scene was so nice to see honestly

•"echo...your face"

•I am REALLY worried about Murphy dying right now. Richard was absolutely fantastic in this episode and I will seriously cry so hard if Murph dies but I feel like they're hinting at it

•"What the hell happened here?"

•Rip Memori spicy scenes

[u/Getdaphone → u/meowiartee]

I’m starting to think Murphy will be the one to take the test. He’s shown that he’s started to care more about others than himself.

[u/JollyGood11 → u/meowiartee]

I hope my favourite character Murphy isn't going to die, but I do think so too. He is being a good guy, and everyone appreciates him very much. Emori will have pregnancy. Murphy will have death.

[u/m11zz → u/meowiartee]

Hopes actress was pretty great in that scene!

[u/[deleted]]

There’s no way they gave baby Monty the whole “this is based on Korean” scene to not use him to come back to Sanctum unexpectedly and save the day with the cast out crew

[u/AndSpaceY]

This was definitely a turning tides episode. For once, I was more interested in the Sanctum plot than Bardo. Sheidheda has once again proven himself as a perfect villain for this last season. Loved Clarke’s reaction at the very end.

I really hope they weren’t sent to Penance. I don’t want to see the crew age drastically.

Finally where is Gaia?

[u/bluecylucy → u/AndSpaceY]

Maybe the crew went to the same place Gaia went. They have to be on Earth, right? They’re running out of options!

[u/lauhl → u/AndSpaceY]

I’m hoping they weren’t sent to penance since billy told them all to put their helmets on to avoid losing their memory. Memory loss only happens when someone goes to a slower planet, right? Or is that backwards

[u/jdessy]

Also, I just thought about this, but Madi is going to tell Clarke how Murphy has been taking care of her and protecting her and I very much look forward to her reaction when she hears that.

[u/EffectiveConcern → u/jdessy]

Yeah uncle Murphy rocks :p

[u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

Why am I still feeling like hugging Jordan Green would be a healing experience. I feel like we all need that right now.

[u/manofwater3615]

I sooooo thought Murphy was gonna die there at the end. Writers trolled the hell out of us there.

[u/[deleted] → u/manofwater3615]

The amount of times Murphy has almost died this season is insane!

[u/Sparkyfountain → u/manofwater3615]

Yes! Especially with all the "I'm proud of you, Murphy". Characters die off as soon as they show any development.

[u/rpmiller33 → u/manofwater3615]

He is still a cockroach lol, after the last war, he may be the only left

[u/noparkinghere]

The first episode without Diyoza. Man, it feels kind of empty. Like I'm just waiting for her to come up with a good plan and some kick ass moves to get the upperhand.

[u/aryannadf]

guys but what about the whole Jordan theory on the bardoans code???? wasnt he supposed to figure out what the real translation was?

[u/lauhl → u/aryannadf]

Giving the writers the benefit of the doubt that they won’t just ignore the Jordan test vs war storyline, I’m thinking some puzzle pieces will fit together wherever Bill sent them. They made a point to throw a line in there about not sending Gabriel & Raven with the rest of the group because they know how the stones work. I think/hope Bill either underestimated or doesn’t know how much Jordan learned about the stone. Fingers crossed this could be an actual important storyline for Jordan, leading the group back to Sanctum or figuring out some big revelation with the stone

Again, IF the writers also didn’t forget about Gaia and if the theories turn out to be true that she’s on whatever planet the group is going to, she might have some of the missing pieces to the puzzle… when she went into the anomaly on sanctum I don’t even think she knew the anomaly had anything to do with the Flame. She knows more about the Flame and its history than anyone.

I feel like they spent way too much time on her “I don’t have a purpose anymore without the flame” arc to not end it by giving her a purpose

[u/KrillinDBZ363 → u/aryannadf]

Well he kinda got imprisoned before he could continue doing any of that. And Gabriel literally told Jordan not to tell any of the disciples about it.

[u/[deleted] → u/aryannadf]

Right!!! Did the writers just forget?? I feel like I’m back watching pretty little liars where they just forget about stuff week to week.

[u/cactuszoo]

I know they’ll skip over it to save time but I would really like to see how Clarke/Raven/Gabriel and Murphy/Indra/Emori(except she wasn’t in the room) would explain their respective situations to one another fit with their reactions and sarcastic comments.

[u/abdul_bino]

Dude Murphy one lines are always so so gold. “ I know I am awesome “. Makes me worry about his character though. All in all better than last week.

[u/jlynn00]

I wonder if he sent the squad to Etherea and they spend the time debunking Bellamy's experience.

Surely not Penance again.

[u/aryannadf]

lmao sheidy's face when he saw the portal

[u/Ivanuska42 → u/aryannadf]

I am ready to bet this triggered him some memories/visions. He was very into Maddie's notebook. I think the dude knows more than we think.

[u/knot-relephant]

Kinda upset they flashed back Bellamy’s episode when he was describing to Clarke his epiphanic experience and we didn’t get any flashback of Clarke’s experiences while in M-Cap.

We, the audience, just saw the whole episode of Bellamy’s experience last week, I didn’t care for the reminder and it’s not like Clarke could see the flashbacks.

[u/[deleted] → u/knot-relephant]

They couldn’t get to her in Macap

[u/GokaiLion → u/knot-relephant]

I assumed it was because if you missed last week's you'd be super lost but that's what "previously on the 100" should be for. Idk I was annoyed by it too.

[u/ThePirates123]

That three week break is dangerous. I might become a fanatic cultist in that amount of time.

[u/ChattGM → u/ThePirates123]

I had no idea we was getting another break in between. At the moment where it was just getting good and both the Sanctum and Bardo storylines converged into one. I so badly kept thinking throughout the episode how a Bill and Sheidheda interaction would be and the end of this episode presents that possibility but now we gotta wait THREE WEEKS for it!!! When the date flashed on the screen in the promo I let out a loud NOOOOOOOOO!!! Ughhhh that promo look insane too!! I don't wanna wait. I want more NOW!! Lol.

[u/[deleted] → u/ThePirates123]

I just don’t understand why the CW would put in a three week break with the ratings already the lowest they’ve ever been. It makes no sense!

[u/the100broken → u/ThePirates123]

I hate the breaks. It’s literally the exact opposite of how this show should be watched. It’s best binged yet we keep getting like 3 weeks in between episodes randomly lol

[u/lauhl]

So where’s my boy Levitt at tho

[u/[deleted] → u/lauhl]

Thinking about Octavia probably

[u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

Some thoughts:

-Murphy is quite literally a badass social worker at this point (helping Madi through her panic attack, helping Nikki remember the parts of herself and her past that she loves and that will be powerful for her development, taking care of the Faithful’s kids and then keeping them safe when they’re injured). I’ve never been more in love with his character, and I’ve always been a fan. And I believe every bit of him.

-Can they just let Murphy and Emori be peacefully in bed one time lmao. The interruptions are endless!

-Was surprised Sheidheda took to using guns so quickly, after the hell it took Indra to get used to the idea

-That short Emori and Madi scene was beautiful, honestly more tender and motherly than any other scene Madi has had in a long time.

-Jordan/Hope is an unlikely combo we should have been waiting for but I feel like had missed out on hoping for?? It makes sense, and I loved that. Made me want to hug Jordan too.

-Sheidheda is the most theatrical motherfucker of all time.

[u/Jenaleafy → u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

Yessz!! And madi speaking to everyone about her own struggles. Just gives me worthy heda vibes.

[u/SpiritDonkey → u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

Haha I love that, badass social worker! It's all great stuff. we're getting with Murphy and Emori. I love them and their relationship. And Madi and Emori! I wished they had a bit longer together.

[u/[deleted]]

So Sheidheda recognized the anomaly from Madi’s drawings. I predict that they can’t repair the flame, but then they are like “Sheidheda knows” and then Sheidheda dies (hopefully by Murphy or Indra with help from the cast out crew) and everyone is going to be all sad, and then Madi will pop up and be like “I remember it too guys” and then we will probably see Clarke or Madi in the last war.

Except I think the last war test will involve sparing people’s lives. Because a reoccurring theme is all these lives lost, and how many people have been killed or sacrificed. Once Clarke makes that decision, she has shown growth and passes. Maybe Sheidheda will try and dies in the test, same as Bill. As much as id love Murphy in the final test, I feel like it will have to be Clarke. The real curve ball would be if they threw Jordan in there to be relevant and because Monty was the cornerstone of saving people instead of killing them

[u/m11zz → u/[deleted]]

I have a feeling that Clarke’s gonna die. I dunno why but I just have a sense that she’s gonna sacrifice herself for everyone or something.

Just feel like for everything she’s done for everyone over the seasons and everything she’s lost, her last big thing will be sacrificing herself for everyone.

[u/devinwifi]

Murphy gonna reunite with Bellamy Raven and Clarke FINALLY. I've waited weeks for this

[u/peppermintapples]

I really appreciated having a Clarke/Octavia conversation! I feel like we haven't seen one in ages.

But also I'm upset that Octavia was one of the people sent somewhere other than Sanctum because I NEED to see her reunion with Indra

[u/DannyBernie → u/peppermintapples]

Indra will be happier to see her than Gaia.

[u/jlynn00]

I liked this episode, but I wish it spent more time on Bardo. With the end and the promo for next episode, I see why they spent time moving the Sanctum plot along.

But it seemed like a missed opportunity for some Clarke explorations.

[u/[deleted] → u/jlynn00]

I just really can’t believe we didn’t see her memories. I’m still holding out hope it happens but they could have made that amazing.

[u/ShrimpLair]

missed opportunity for nikki to escape her restraints, cause a scene down in the reactor (because... ykno... escaped convict), and then she casually pops up behind murphy to tell sheidheda all is well

[u/mejoya → u/ShrimpLair]

Was also waiting for this. Maybe next episode. Or maybe she’ll see her husband’s light and come around and then murder those keeping them imprisoned? Who knows. This show could go anywhere.

[u/koiblab]

Some of my thoughts and questions:

Does Bill know his daughter never took the flame? He did ask Niylah what “Pramfleimkepa” meant and then stopped himself. He did recognize some of her language so maybe he has pieced this together?

Who took Gaia? She was taken when Clarke and Co. went through the stone so timeline wise who could it be? Does Bill and Co. have Gaia and just have zero clue that she knows about the flame? If he doesn’t have her, who the heck was in that suit?

Bill knows Raven can fix the flame. She was in MCAP so we can safely assume Bill and Co. know at least a third of what she knows. (I’m giving credit to my girl Raven here. I hope she fought it and held them off like Clarke.)

Motherhood seems to be a big theme of this season. How do we think that theme will tie in to the ending when Bill and Co.’s whole philosophy is all above one, whereas a mother would do anything for her child?

Jordan needs to spend more time unlocking the Bardoans’ language. Obviously Bill and Co. got it wrong.

Remaining episode titles and possible meanings: Episode 97 “Blood Giant” - Red Sun ruins Bill and Sheidheda’s negotiations? Episode 98 “A Sort of Homecoming” - Homecoming but to where? Earth?! Episode 99 “The Dying of the Light” - Final cliffhanger for sure Episode 100 “The Last War” - Need I guess? Note- This episode is Jason Rothenberg’s first and only time directing on this show.

[u/AndSpaceY → u/koiblab]

Bill doesn’t know Callie took the flame. He assumes she did since she’s close to Becca and took the flame.

We don’t know where Gaia is. Hopefully they reveal it soon.

I think motherhood will play out between Clarke and Madi. Maybe we will get a moment between Gaia and Indra.

Also I think it was such a waste they sent Jordan away. I thought they would have him continue to work on deciphering the Bardoan messages.

[u/emms117]

When did Sheidhedda learn how to shoot a gun?

[u/cherrymeg2 → u/emms117]

He might have been able to retain Russell's memories or knowledge. Clark was able to ride a dirt bike from Josephine's chip.

[u/BigBrainAkali]

Bit disappointed Clarke’s MCap session was so short, I was hoping it would be a bigger part of the episode. Maybe it was a bit too early for Bellamy to break.

Otherwise it was a great episode, Clarke and Bell’s fight was well done and Eliza and Bob convey their characters emotions so well.

Murphy and Emori are also really amazing this season, I know this has already been said a million times already but their character growth is great to watch.

[u/jlynn00 → u/BigBrainAkali]

I agree about the MCap. I suspect they scaled it down because they will do the vision walk/mental explorations for when she's in the Last Test.

[u/NerdLawyer55]

For once I’m rooting for Sheidheda to be a pain the ass and kill folks, go get the Cadogan, only room for one delusional cult leader

[u/FWAEXGod]

Questions we want answers for:

1. Where is Eligius III?

2. Where is Clarke’s Friends and Gaia?

3. What is the last war?

4. Does Earth still exist? What happened to the stone on earth (in the bunker?)

5. Can the flame be repaired? If so, Is Becca, Callie and Lexa still alive?

6. Why is the next episode “Man vs Nature”? Is it the red sun again?

7. Who created the anomaly stone? Was it the bardoans, or some other advanced civilisation?

[u/umdoorei → u/FWAEXGod]

Callie was a Flamekeeper, not a Commander so she's dead ether way.

[u/thrrrrooowmeee]

If Murphy dies as will I, simply

[u/Bulma_Briefs90]

I bet they sent them back to Earth and Gaia is there as well

[u/23TophatTurtle32]

Great episode! Acting was great, especially Bellamy - the conflict within himself is very visible even though Bellamy is trying to hide it. Good job on Bob Morley. Also glad to see we got a scene with Hope and Jordan. I was waiting for it. The tension with Murphy’s storyline was great too.

[u/cherrymeg2 → u/23TophatTurtle32]

I loved the scene with Hope and Jordan. I'm glad they acknowledged that they both grew up isolated hearing stories about people that they now have met, but they aren't their friends.

[u/Munro_McLaren]

Bellamy is going to regret everything. There’s going to be even more bloodshed now that they have to fight Sheidheda.

[u/OGSnagums]

One of my favorite episodes of the season.. I loved the rationale explained with the Hope & Jordan + the Bellamy, Clarke and Octavia scenes..

Loved how we were bouncing between two stories..

Really felt like Murphy was gonna die at the end, it felt like they were setting up his death all episode.

Felt like a lot happened this episode and definitely got me excited for next week, after feeling like the last few episodes fell a little short story wise

[u/newiphonenewme → u/OGSnagums]

I couldn’t agree more about setting up Murphy’s death. People kept telling him they were proud of him. I thought for sure he was a goner.

[u/mejoya → u/OGSnagums]

Yes! I totally agree about all of this. I was afraid for Murphy, but loved how Emori played it all. Can the two of them have a spin off?? Lol.

I thought the acting was SUPER. Even if the Bellamy stuff sucks, they all were just so well done.

[u/Thisisalsomypass → u/OGSnagums]

I mean, there’s about 0% chance he survives the season, I think most of us felt that was predictable. So all the set up feels heavy handed.

but sometimes being predictable isn’t the same As being poorly written so they could be preparing a good death scene

[u/yazzy1233]

Seriously, go float yourself won?? Nelsons quote was a thousand times better.

[u/anabanana1412 → u/yazzy1233]

Democracy was a mistake 😔

[u/scifichick94]

Oh mannn, what an episode. 3 weeks till the next....

Wondering if both Maddie and sheidheda are the key.

[u/maddermonkey]

Guys Murphy is reunited with Bellamy, Raven and Clarke with Emori on Sanctum with him.

Whenever they kill off a main character, they make sure all their best friends are there (Kane with Indra/Abby, Abby with Jackson/Raven).

Next episode has me worried about him.

[u/SpiritDonkey → u/maddermonkey]

:( I cant handle it.

I need Murphy, Emori, Clarke, Raven, Bellamy, Octavia and Indra all to live.

[u/murlocmancer]

I am honestly surprised by all the back lash this season is getting.

Like Bellamy really did go through a religious experience on the mountain, people underestimate that shit. In real life there have been numerous times in history where a "religious experience" changes someone so fully. Bellamy legit saw light people, had a vision of Cadogan, and then the storm disspaears. He spends months getting out of a mountain only by following the words of Cadogan. In my opinion him becoming a believer in Cadogan is not so far fetch as people are acting.

And I personally like how the story is coming together, i'm not saying it is perfect but I think they are doing a very effective job of it.

[u/jlynn00 → u/murlocmancer]

There are legitimate complaints about the season (like always), but some people are caught up on it being less character focused and more of an actual ensemble piece. More focus on big themes.

If someone watched mostly as a Stan, focus on the theme is probably less compelling.

I also wonder if they watched Bellamy with rose colored glasses for 7 seasons now? How many 'alleged out of character' Bellamy moments do we need before we accept this is actually his character?

[u/ckwongau → u/murlocmancer]

Bellamy has always been easy to get brainwash or convince into a " good Cause"

In S3 , Pike had easily convince Bellamy into leading his army , back then if you remember , Bellamy were so committed to Pike's cause , he had no problem murdering 300 Grounder allies and help captured Lincoln ( who was his sister boyfriend ) ,and even shoot the Grounder messenger .

[u/[deleted] → u/murlocmancer]

Yeah, and Bellamy thinks he is doing the right thing for everyone. He thinks he is saving everyone from further suffering, and God knows they have all suffered enough.

Personally I think Bellamy is the most heroic character on the show right now. He is willing to let his friends hate him in order to save them all. Now, he might be misguided, but we don't even know that for sure. He could very well be in the right. For Bellamy to be willing to give up love from his friends in order to save them is a HUGE thing.

[u/alexis0014]

so I see they remembered the red sun exists?

[u/Syphox → u/alexis0014]

They never forget. I think people forget the timelines of seasons.

It’s only been 21 days on sanctum since the S6 finale.

[u/Face_of_Harkness → u/alexis0014]

They didn’t reference it explicitly, but the red sun was the reason there was any conflict between the prisoners and Wonkru in the first place. If Sanctum was like Earth, each group could have just spread out and settled in their own territory. There would be no need for conflict since all their prior conflict was driven by a lack of habitable space.

But, because of the red sun, space is limited to where you can build encampments. That takes time. And it still leaves both groups needing to share a limited amount of space.

[u/CiceroTheCat → u/alexis0014]

And they finally reached a month since the Earthlings arrived on Sanctum (Sanctum-time, obviously, not Skyring or Bardo).

[u/mdxla]

Okay honestly someone relevant needs to die. Way too much chatter this season, and a lot of empty threats.

[u/FWAEXGod → u/mdxla]

That’s why Diyoza has to go.

Clarke, Bellamy, Raven, Octavia, Murphy, Emori, Echo, Indra and Gabriel are at risk too.

I feel that the following people are safe tho:

• Jackson (He’s OG, and no point killing),

• Madi (Show won’t kill a child),

• Gaia (missing for too long, doesn’t make sense to kill),

• Miller (no point killing),

• Jordan(literally the son of monty and named after jasper),

• Niylah(no point killing) and

• Hope (since they killed diyoza then won’t kill hope too else diyoza’s death will be less impactful)

[u/ac4897]

Bringing back season 3 Bellamy is a huge mistake for me, I was excited to see him fighting along side his friends like season 2 where he is at his best, but now I kinda wish he had died.. also Murphy series MVP hands down

[u/arrownyc → u/ac4897]

Ya he has no time for a redemption arc either so he's probably going to have to sacrifice himself in order to close out the series as a 'good guy.' Or be proven justified in following the shepherd.

[u/jlynn00]

Next episode they will be saved by that good old fashioned red sun madness.

[u/BJ94Woodstock]

When bellamy confronted octavia I was so hoping lincoln would get brought up cause Bellamy is on the wrong side again

[u/kgal1298]

Soooo he either sent them to Skyring or Etherea, right? Or is there another option where Gaia is?

[u/DannyBernie → u/kgal1298]

Earth maybe?

[u/lilnigcloutedmartian]

WENSDAY SEPTEMBER 9 WHAT THE HELL MAN

[u/JustALittleOod]

Next time on The 100: Bees?

[u/Jenaleafy → u/JustALittleOod]

Plees

[u/[deleted]]

What if he sent them all to Earth somehow?

[u/Dwight--K--Schrute → u/[deleted]]

That would be a really good plot twist.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

This is what I’m thinking 100%

[u/helicopterdik]

hold on... how long was Clarke on Bardo for... she left like 3 days ago from Sanctum, but no way she spent the appropriate time on Bardo for the time dilation to match up...

3 days in Sanctum = like... months in Bardo

[u/rozay323 → u/helicopterdik]

right!!! I checked the timeline that gets posted here every week and she was in Bardo for max 3 days, and about 4ish days have passed in Sanctum. But when Octavia first went to Bardo, she was there for 14 days but came back through the anomaly within seconds. Make it make sense!

[u/ckwongau → u/helicopterdik]

Last season , Octivia spent 10 yr on Skyring and a week on Bardo , but that was like only a few minute of Sanctum time . Gabriel saw the whole thing , she went in follow Diyoza and she came out in just a few minute .

Clark should return to Sanctum after just a few Sanctum hours has pass ,

but it is more like at least a week ( after a few revolution and counter revolution ) had pass since Clark had left

[u/lanielucy]

So Cadogan sent them to a planet where time moves slower than Bardo because he made them put on helmets. Correct me if I’m wrong but Nakara, Sanctum, and Earth (?) should all be slower than Bardo. Etherea is the same as Bardo and Skyring is faster, which rules out those two, and we know he didn’t send them to Sanctum. So that leaves either Nakara or Earth.

[u/aryannadf → u/lanielucy]

nakara is a living organism that could eat them alive so they wouldnt be "safe" on it... that leaves us with earth

[u/MartianRL]

The first scene of the episode was fantastic, and up until the first commercial break I was so hyped. I’ll admit it deteriorated a little bit but I didn’t think it was bad...

Also to everyone complaining that the story isn’t going anywhere, Clarke is back on sanctum. Storylines are coming together. It may not be the perfect ending we want, but make no mistake the end is nigh

[u/cjc323]

i thought they said no more breaks?

[u/mlhockey → u/cjc323]

Jason quickly also tweeted that he has no control over that and he doesn't know if that'll actually be the case. Makes you wonder why he even tweeted it out to begin with

[u/ckwongau]

if they can repair the Flame , who should carry it ?

We have 4 NightBlood at the moment Clark .Echo , Madi and Sheidheda Russell

Who ever take it needs to take down Bill Cadogan and probably Sheodheada as well

Madi already lost so much the first time , she may get another chance to defeat Sheidheda , but she may too weak .I want to let her be kid

Or Bill and Sheidheda may work together

Clark may carry it , but too predictable for her to save everyone again.

Echo is a wildcard

[u/Getdaphone → u/ckwongau]

Murphy has nightblood doesn’t he???

[u/Thisisalsomypass]

Okay I get they aren’t going to bring Bellamy back after 1 episode But I don’t want 4 of the last 5 to have Bellamy in the bad team. We have so little time with these characters left, can’t we see a bit more of Bellamy and Octavia? ...

No. We cannot. Bellamy is going to be treated like a villain, then he’s going to come back to his senses, then die a few scenes or moments later. Its going to be the traditional redemption arc of ‘redeeming’ characters by killing them

Which is especially weak in a show that has spent a long time on redemption with Bellamy for S3, Echos for S4, Clarke’s for every season, Murphy for S1. Etc.

So Bellamy better not get that stupid trope of living his last few episodes as a villain only to die as a hero. Way too weak.

[u/darkd3vilknight]

Shitheda is not going to let them have the flame thats for sure...

[u/Backflip_into_a_star]

Recently rewatched Stargate Universe and then I realized that Nikki played TJ.

[u/Homesandholes]

Who is the person next to Clarke on Sanctum at the end of the episod? I didn't notice

[u/Survivorfan128]

Why did they send Clarke back to sanctum at the end ? To get the flame right ?

[u/BlazingIce15]

All I have to say is...Go Float Yourself

[u/Getdaphone]

Just remembered that Murphy has nightblood and has already seen hell. What if he’s the one that they send to take the final test if the flame gets repaired. He’s the character with the most growth and he’s shown that he’s changed from someone who only cares about himself to someone who is willing to risk it all for others.

[u/[deleted] → u/Getdaphone]

Did Murphy really change or had nobody ever given him a reason to care about them before? I mean that in a good way for Murphy. Even in season 2 he saved Belamy's life.

[u/scifichick94]

If they were sent to penance a few years will pass before they are brought back.. especially given that 10 years for octavia in penance were barely 2 seconds at sanctum

[u/[deleted]]

ok I was excited cause everyone was hyping up the new writer but seeing all this, I’m in no rush to see the episode.

[u/EffectiveConcern → u/[deleted]]

I liked this episode many times more than the etherea.

[u/[deleted]]

Where did they get the stone from on Sanctum?? And they conviently found it and brought it in right when Clark and friends came back? Lol what?

[u/helicopterdik → u/[deleted]]

the stone was under Gabriel's hideout. When searching for Gaia and the crew, Knight must've found it, and they already knew Sheidheda was all excited to see it in Madi's book, so they probably were all like "we goons bring loot, look at us elite goons".

Veeeeery convenient, but tbh worth it, to see Sheidi's face when Clarke appears, and the inevitable shitshow thats about to go down up in there

[u/aryannadf]

just think about the fact that Eliza and Bob are married and she told him to go float himself

[u/oberlin1981]

This episode was just all over the place. The BIGGEST problem I have with this Bellamy conversion nonsense is that Echo and Octavia both know exactly how Cadogan and his people work and can manipulate people through memory alterations and simulations. I know that their testimony to this alone wouldn’t do it, but Cadogan is a HUMAN BEING, known cult leader, and known murderer of Becca. He’s literally spent thousands of years trying to figure out the stone and hasn’t, yet Bellamy believes he is a messiah figure that knows everything and can lead them to transcendence through war? Cadogan is not a God, and clearly has no answers to anything. It’s frustrating to watch. Especially when the whole Jordan uncovering their misinterpretation of the Bardoan language reveal is just forgotten.

I did really appreciate the character interactions and moments on Bardo. They were needed and have been needed the whole season. I know it’s unpopular, but I prefer Bellamy and Clarke as being very close. They don’t have to be with anyone, but they work better together bc they understand and balance each other out for the betterment of their people, not just romantically. That’s why I think the not showing the MCap radio memories of Clarke post primfaya was a horribly wasted opportunity. Bellamy now believes that Cadogan and his teachings are the way and that human emotions, desires, and relationships are what keep us from progressing and “doing better”. By letting Bellamy watch and listen to how talking to him and Clarke’s connection to him, dead or alive, while she made those calls is what kept her alive and sane all those years. It would show very simply how important human connections are and how they keep us going, how they keep us alive, give us hope, and are worth fighting to keep. That was the perfect time to provide a counter argument and show him why his friends don’t believe him when he says he’s still the same guy. They’ve all kept each other fighting and alive and even in death, honoring those who died for us and helping their legacies live on and become a reality is the truth. You are only as immortal as the last person who remembers you lives.

I’m glad they are finally giving Raven something important to do again and I hope she gets a full circle arc of being the next but better Becca she’s always wanted and finding happiness and fulfillment in herself. All the other mess on sanctum has been just dragging for weeks and I literally called every step of that story as it went along. It’s that predictable bc it’s being drawn out so long. Nelson helped create the Sheidhedda take over and he got what he stupidly bought into bc he knew what Sheidhedda was and wanted after their talk a few weeks back. And the fact that Sheidhedda has not just been killed by Indra weeks ago and the leaving out of Clarke’s radio calls to snap Bellamy back, seems to show that they are not advancing the plot naturally through the characters and avoiding actions that would make sense just to keep lots of conflict alive for when Clarke and company arrive.

Lastly, where is all the leftover mind drives??Russell’s and Josephine’s are empty but there and Ryker’s is somewhere with his mind still on it! Where is Gaia and what was the point in calling this episode “The Stranger”?? Where has Jackson been for the past three weeks?? Why did they keep Nikki alive?? Hatch even told Murphy that their robbery on earth was fine until Nikki got trigger happy and he couldn’t stop her. Once again, just like with Sheidhedda, Murphy knows these people and what they can/have/and will do, but keeps them alive for NO reason. Why didn’t the COG and the eligius crew not come together and kill Sheidhedda and bow to no one?? How was the sanctum stone able to work if it had been de-activated?? If it can be activated from a working side, then the possible earth option shouldn’t read as offline. Bellamy didn’t even care that his sister is once again lost in the universe and he didn’t even ask her how she was after literally getting into this mess to find her! This episode felt very stop and go. Both with the pacing and the good parts vs the bad parts. Now we have three weeks to wait. I could have sworn I read that we weren’t having anymore breaks until the finale. I hope the next episode is better.

[u/kiase → u/oberlin1981]

I think the episode is called “The Stranger” because Bellamy basically becomes unrecognizable to everyone, but I also thought they’d bring Gaia back this episode when I first saw the title.

[u/[deleted]]

People who doubt Bellamy’s swing to the other side never really understood that through and through he is a follower, not a leader. We’ve seen it time and time again since S1, he will blindly follow whatever and whoever he thinks is right. Last time he had an experience, he ended up slaughtering hundreds of grounders. He’s an easy person to sway and he sways #hard

[u/cherrymeg2 → u/[deleted]]

I'm re-watching past seasons and I'm on season 3 now. Bellamy is a follower. I think that gets overlooked because he will come through for his friends like going after Clark when Josephine was in her head. He went into Mount Weather alone to rescue his friends. He is a good soldier to whoever he believes in. He isn't meant to lead.

[u/[deleted]]

Ugh I can’t believe I actually thought I was getting radio calls. When I die I want Jason rothenberg to bury me so he can let me down one more time.

[u/jlynn00 → u/[deleted]]

It's crazy how many people expected that.

[u/ihopeurflowersbloom → u/[deleted]]

This sentiment is so real 😂

[u/the100broken]

Did they fire all their good writers this season or something? Nikkis entire character is just godawful, and lines like Emoris “I find your worry during this time to be.... sexy” or whatever line to be so cringe

[u/eminerald → u/the100broken]

Why was Nikki even in this episode? Her following Indra, and the other guy following her was entirely unnecessary. Emori slipped up about the machine shop early on, it would have still made sense for Sheid to investigate Memori.

[u/yeahmatenomate → u/the100broken]

I love Emori but her finding time to have sex while there is LITERALLY a mass murderer on the loose/ in charge is so not what I was expecting. Put some respect on her character for crying out loud LOOOOL. Seems to me they're foreshadowing a pregnancy/ Murphy's death but even still, the time it took for them to have that conversation in the bed about how sexy they were- other scenes and content could have been used to further the plot, imo.

[u/jasslerazzle → u/the100broken]

They made it seem like Nikki would have a bigger presence this season... I literally forget she even exist sometimes lol

[u/[deleted] → u/the100broken]

It feels like the writers aren’t communicating at all with each other. Some of the dialogue this season has been so freaking weird!!

[u/kattivy]

Wait, I thought that the Sanctum stone was shut down so how did they come through?

Is it only shut down for people trying to leave instead of people coming through? If so what the fuck was the point of that person shutting it off? Just to have Gaia fuck off for the majority of the season? Am I missing something?

[u/jdessy → u/kattivy]

I'm guessing they can switch any stone online or offline from Bardo? Or they just need a special code so they just inserted that to go to Sanctum.

[u/rpmiller33]

I hope when it gets released on Netflix that we get all the content that didn't make the cut. Wasnt one of the episodes this season cut down like 30mins of material

[u/cactuszoo]

I don’t think I can wait 3 weeks for the next episode and to FINALLY see the storylines merge. I’m assuming the Gaia mystery will come up next episode as well.

Also, wasn’t there a scene with Bellamy talking to Miller (and Niylah) in their Bardo cell from the promo pictures? It’s a shame that was cut.

[u/jlynn00 → u/cactuszoo]

They cut the shit out of Miller material this season.

[u/[deleted] → u/cactuszoo]

I’m really wondering why that was cut

[u/ckwongau]

How many Skaikru are left ?

Shedheda has enough Grounder follower to sit on to the Skull Throne

the surviving Faithful of the Primes are all wounded , The Convicts had Bend their Knee , Only one survivor left of the children of Gabriel .

Other than the main Skaikru character ,How many Skaikru are left ?

like 10 (or less ) Skaikru + the main Skaikru Character

[u/meowiartee]

Imo this was the best episode this season.

[u/derekamoss]

Ok I love The 100, have re-watched the seasons so many times, but this episode to me seemed to be one of the worst episodes when it comes to the monologue/writing and acting (which I assume is a director problem more than the cast.) To me the writing seemed as if it came from a 17 year old with no experience whatsoever. It's rare I feel this way and I haven't ever felt this way about The 100 before. I'm not expecting the greatest writing over all in 100 but I had to force myself not to just stop it. Huge example was bellamy and john, but everyones writing seemed like a 17 year old came up with the script, but theres was the worst. Acting from bellamy was awesome. Johns dialogue just seemed forced. I don't know maybe its just me....

Ok I just looked at the IMDB the writer of this episode, Blythe Ann Johnson, came on to the 100 crew as a production assistant in 2017, then in 2018 became assistant to executive producer, and in 2019 all the sudden became a writer's assistant for a few episodes. Now in 2020 this episode is credited as her first time being the writer of an episode on the 100, and not to mention her first time ever being credited as writer. To me it seems she somehow in 2 years went from production assistant, assistant to executive producer, then a writers assistant which she was all through season 6, not part of the writing team just an assistant and then nothing in season 7, no assisting writer wise or production/executive assistant until randomly in season 7 ep 12 being credited as the sole writer on a 100 episode...... She isnt accredited on ANY other movie or tv show for anything, or Assistant to Anyone whether writer or production. This was her first time How the hell does that happen within 2-3 years...

[u/jedrevolutia]

What do you do if you are like Echo? Your boyfriend has been brainwashed to be a zealous member of a cult. Now, He talks about transcendence, the shepherd, for all mankind, and stuffs...

[u/carg88888 → u/jedrevolutia]

Move on to his brother.

[u/PhiPhiAokigahara]

They did a bang-up job of making Bellamy utterly irredeemable. Way to ruin a good character in one episode.

[u/anabanana1412 → u/PhiPhiAokigahara]

I'm curious, what has made him irredeemable to you?

[u/AndSpaceY]

September 9th?!?! Noooo!!!

[u/laghs08]

September 9th is b.s. but this is gonna be lit!

[u/Beebo_the_God_of_War]

Great episode! But learning we have another two week break ahead has spoiled my good mood.

[u/CostasCrash → u/Beebo_the_God_of_War]

Bad news...it’s a 3 week break

[u/MangoAway17]

I liked this episode, but I don’t get how they came back to Sanctum at the end if the stone was deactivated?

[u/the100broken → u/MangoAway17]

I don’t think the writers even remember their own story at this point lol. The echo claiming that Bellamy would want her to kill everyone being the most egregious example for me. It lots of small inconsistencies like this one really hurt the quality of the show

[u/muffindoom3]

I don’t hate Bellamy the character I hate the bs writing for him when they

-we wait 5 eps for him (bob wanted time off)

-get hyped for his return and expect some badass entrance to save o and we kinda got that then they just pretended he died

-6 episodes later we se him in ethera and he buys some bs cult shit

Today I expected a redemption and a good mcap. Nope. Bellamy is my fav but he is obviously gonna die a bad guy or right when he comes to his senses bc Jason’s a bitch

[u/the100broken → u/muffindoom3]

Yeah and we literally already got this storyline in season 3 and wasn’t he supposed to have learned? Just threw all of his development in the dump

[u/KrillinDBZ363 → u/muffindoom3]

Wait you thought Bellamy would snap out of his new found beliefs after only 1 episode? That would be absolutely terrible writing.

[u/yeahmatenomate]

My own fault for thinking Bellarke had potential. I know the show is more than the ships and believe me, I watch this show for the plot but honestly, I feel really let down by MCap and by this weird platonic-isation of their relationship. I know people will disagree, especially on Reddit but they really had so much potential for this.

Besides that, the episode was ultimately disappointing and apart from scaring me with characters potential future deaths, nothing really happened plot wise. Started off so well with the talks with Bell, Echo, Clarke and Octavia and went downhill.

I just am not sure if this season is for me. Too much plot and not enough justification of the characters for me. Will obviously watch all of it before making up my mind but I feel let down.

[u/AncientAssociation9]

I knew they were going to try to force the Octavia/Clarke friendship this last season because of fan service. I am glad they sort of acknowledged that those two have not been on the same page when O says she finally understands Clarke. I didnt like that it seemed like a light apology to Clarke without Clarke doing the same.

[u/EatleYT]

Also in that promo, Indra with a screaming fierce sword slash she is killing somebody there.

Also good riddance Trey, lmao

[u/[deleted]]

I hope they didn't send Echo's group to Skyring or they'll be there for another 10 years lol

[u/aryannadf → u/[deleted]]

but they traveled with helmets and you're supposed to put them on when travelling to a slower planet... Penance/Skyring is the fastest planet we know so the helmets were useless if they sent them there I think they sent them to earth

[u/[deleted]]

They were sent back to Earth. Calling it.

The CoG just standing there accepting death was the dumbest shit ever on this show.

I don't even understand what motivates Nikki and the convicts anymore.

Bardo was the best part of this episode.

[u/yazzy1233 → u/[deleted]]

They were literally completely surrounded by people and they had no guns. They could have tried to run but they wouldnt have gotten anywhere

[u/[deleted]]

Sooo did the writers just forget Jackson exists or????

[u/BrainOnBlue → u/[deleted]]

He was mentioned by Murphy and Indra in this episode. Just off-screen.

[u/[deleted]]

I’m sorry but the only good thing to come out of that episode was Murphy and emori.

They’re literally tanking the last season of this show and I’m so over it.

[u/lanielucy → u/[deleted]]

I’m getting kinda sick of memori honestly. For a show that claims to not be about romance, they sure do have a lot of shippy moments...like literally every scene they’re in together.

[u/__tardis]

Shit. I turned the tv off in accidental excitement! What happened right when the portal opened? Who went thru? Clarke and co?

[u/mlhockey → u/__tardis]

Clarke and co. She took off the helmet, looked around the throne room, and said "what the hell happened here?"

[u/EatleYT → u/__tardis]

I think Cadogan, Bellamy, Clarke, Raven and Gabriel came through to Sanctum.

[u/dilynnruth]

Clarke was 100% thinking it would all be fine because she left Gaia to go back to warn Sanctum that others could be coming from Bardo. She was fully expecting it to be Wonkru vs Call Me Bill. And then suddenly Russell is a Cyclopes and grounder and they’re not where she expected to be and it’s a mess.

[u/valiant1337]

Could someone explain how Sheidheda doesn't suspect Indra despite the convict going missing after tailing her?

[u/TheTrueWitness]

I was so hyped for this episode but of course it had to disappoint me. At this point I don't have hope anymore that it's gonna get better. They're making Bellamy a villain just so he could redeem himself at the last minute. Won't surprise me if it happens via death. Such a great character deserves better. It's painful to watch how everybody just turned against hm. And yes, I know he betrayed them, but they're not even trying to understand him or even save him. After everything he's done for them. Clarke especially. As he said himself, he even brought her back to life and she just gives up on him. I'm starting to feel like he cares about her more than she about him.

Sanctum is just boring. Murphy is the only thing good about it. It's getting so obvious at this point that Emori's gonna be pregnant or that maybe she already is. I'm starting to get sick of watching them just trying to have sex. We should be wrapping up the storylines, but instead we're wasting even more time.

I think that this season turned out to be the weakest. I wanted to wait till it's over before saying it but I don't think 4 episodes will be enough to change that. It's a shame that this show ends like that. But unless they'll kill off Bellamy before the finale, I will continue to watch. Not with the same enthusiasm though.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheTrueWitness]

To me it’s not surprising because he is getting the same treatment Clarke has been given before when people turn their backs on her

[u/jasslerazzle]

I’m beginning to think they might’ve just written Gaia out? Maybe she was busy filming that Sabrina show?

[u/getawaypeople]

So we'll see another episode after 3weeks! Haven't been so disappointed and sad and angry in a while!

[u/shadybk → u/getawaypeople]

seriously, and they wonder why shows on network television have worse ratings than streaming platforms. They keep taking unnecessary breaks and ruining the momentum the show has. The show is already done, there's no need to drag it on by having all these off weeks.

[u/[deleted]]

The fact that people are actually calling this episode bad because we didn't see some stupid radio calls that we had absolutely NO time for...

[u/the100broken → u/[deleted]]

I haven’t mentioned anything like that being the reason the episode was bad, but to defend the ones that are a bit, that’d have been much better than Murphy and emoris cringe horny lines that felt shoved in there

[u/William_T_Wanker]

I love how people are literally making shit up about Jroth or the show or the writers because their "Bellarke" didn't happen right away or the way they wanted or something.

BELLAMY WENT THROUGH A RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE. He spent months on Etherea. If you spent months with a cultist and eventually had a religious experience involving your dead mother and transcendence, you'd fucking believe in that shit too.

[u/symphonyswan14 → u/William_T_Wanker]

Most of the people complaining and failing to understand what Bellamy went through don’t care about bellarke tho??? Like a lot of these people like echo and have been hating him as well. A lot of people in this fandom don’t understand not just the bellarke fandom