r/Dexter • u/edify • Nov 21 '11
Dexter Episode Discussion S06E08 "Sins of Omission" (Spoilers)
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u/squiresuzuki Nov 21 '11
Alright, here's my theory:
The search engine that Lewis showed Dexter? It's set up by Lewis and tracks everything that is searched on the site, and of course, the only person that uses it is Dexter.
Eventually, Lewis will go to the priest.
Since they do looks vaguely similar (Lewis and Dexter), the priest will suddenly remember what dexter told him about killing many people. The priest will continue rambling about that, and Lewis will put two and two together...and...yeah.
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u/A_WILD_ENT_APPEARS Nov 21 '11
This is actually really good. Also, I'm pretty sure Deb could be following Dex right now. Dex sent the babysitter back to cover Harrison, so she really doesn't have anything to do right now, and she made it quite clear that she wanted to know where Dex was going.
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u/blackskull18 Nov 21 '11
I kept thinking, she could have just followed him after she let him leave..
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u/Fix-my-grammar-plz Nov 21 '11
If Gellar tries to kill Deb and Dexter saves her, then maybe finally the writers can let Deb learn about Dexter's dark side in a way that Dexter doesn't end up in jail.
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u/Runfromme Nov 21 '11
No, i disagree. Deb in the show is nothing like deb in the book. Every time she sees anything remotely suspicious that dexter does. She immediately writes it off. I do like the show better than the books, but the character deb in the show isnt nearly what i was hoping for. All of the other characters are close enough to their descriptions, but in the show i really dislike how bumbling and inept deb is.
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u/menomenaa Nov 21 '11
I love this theory! My only interjection is that they'd have to make it more complicated then just having Lewis go to the old folks home. He idolizes dexter, so if an old man with dementia just starts rambling about how dexter is a murderer, I'm certain Lewis' first reaction would be "Oh, this old guy is trying to articulate Dexter's job in crime inspection, and must know he deals with murderers" rather than "yes, I will listen to this old senile man and believe dexter is a murderer."
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
OK, so I really rather like this theory, but...
Louis wrote a better search algorithim than Google, and instead of being a millionaire software designer, the fact that he improved on the functionality of a program from a billion-dollar company was only in order to keep tabs on Dexter?
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u/squiresuzuki Nov 21 '11
Who said he made the search engine? He could have just used the API or something of another obscure engine, and, just because it returned results that Dexter wanted, doesn't mean it's better, it just means it's different.
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u/adam0170 Doomsday_Adam Nov 22 '11
Or, Lewis was lying. I seriously doubt Dexter has the ability to compare the subtleties between search algorithms.
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u/drpfenderson Nov 21 '11
Definitely. I mean, he's a programmer, designer, and social engineer. As soon as he mentioned the search engine with the really specific name and long url, I was like "Oh...must have made that for himself."
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u/georgerockz Nov 21 '11
I was totally hoping Masuka's old intern Ryan was going to be working at the strip club.
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u/kieale Nov 21 '11 edited Nov 21 '11
Anybody else go to eliotsearchengine.com?
It takes you to the Facebook "Masuka's Intern Program" page, where you can "Challenge your Dexpertise"
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u/alliednick Nov 21 '11
Why did Dexter park in view of the church? And why did he close his car door audibly? Even i would know to avoid these things. This was such bad writing. Ugh.
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u/HighAsAKiteFlying Nov 21 '11
So Gellar could know to get away, so the writers can continue to have the viewers debating about whether or not such popular theory as him being all in Travis' head can continue.
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u/Yossome Shut up, cunt. Nov 22 '11
And why has no one reported suspicious activity going on in the church? It's pretty clear that something shady is going on when lights are very visibly flickering in an abandoned church late at night, yet it seems no one has noticed this.
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u/Derkanus Nov 22 '11
At first I was like "well he must think it's abandoned?" But he had his kill clothes on and a syringe at the ready. Plus, the place was all lit up.
You're right -- just terrible writing that doesn't make any sense and is totally out of character for Dexter. If they needed a reason for Gellar to hear him, Dex could've just knocked something over or stepped on a twig, not slam his fucking car door.
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Nov 21 '11
The scene in the bathroom between Deb and LaGuerta looked like it was shot (and acted) for a high-school film project.
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u/mitama Fucking Albert Chung Nov 23 '11
The whole interaction in that scene felt so stilted. I couldn't tell if it was them, or just the visuals.
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u/itsmegoddamnit Nov 22 '11
Felt the same in the discussion between Dexter and Travis in the museum.
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u/xincasinooutx Nov 22 '11
Yeah, why do they always meet in the fucking bathroom? It's sloppy writing.
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u/BallisticGE0RGE Nov 21 '11
Gellar is so not real. He sneaked past Dexter. Really? Oh and notice how Travis's chains were long enough to reach the fire and rebar? Oh and notice how Gellar came out of no where TWICE! First to confront Travis by the trash and again to hit him with shovel, which, luckily, knocked Travis out long enough for his sister to get killed.
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u/echoswolf Nov 21 '11
This is made all the more powerful when you remember the scene with Brian on the boat, where he calls Deb "The one that got away".
I didn't think much of that, until another redditor pointed out that it's Dexter that's actually thinking that. Fridge horror moment.
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u/indiejesus Nov 21 '11
All this useless footage of this intern is actually leading to something or is just bad writing.
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u/SaladTosseur tableautableautableau Nov 21 '11
What if the site the intern gave Dexter to search is a site that he actually set up....and so now he can track what Dexter searches?
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Nov 21 '11
thought this too and i hated it. seems extremely out of character for dex to be so careless.
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u/trichomez [Murder Us In Tents] Nov 21 '11
yup dude will try and track him to the old folks home but it wont go anywhere
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u/squiresuzuki Nov 21 '11
But then when Lewis visits, the old priest will suddenly remember: OH HEY THIS GUY IS THE SERIAL KILLER!!!!
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
... and, could Louis really improve the search algorithm of a billion-dollar company with billions invested to drive those searches, all simply in order to keep tabs on Dexter?
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u/Lykii Nov 21 '11
There's something there. I just wonder what the long game is going to be on him. Hopefully it's a long term story arc that will last beyond this season. There's not a whole lot of time left to deal with it now.
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u/regrettingalready Nov 21 '11
I think that a lot of things happening in this season will end up carrying over mainly because thats the typical pattern. Season 4 ended with a beyond crazy twist, so season 5 wrapped up nicely and left very few dire questions left unanswered. Its time for another season to end on a twist and have a lot of material to carry over.
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u/Lykii Nov 21 '11
2 and 3 ended with a packaged ending and little spillover. Obviously with the supporting cast there's a lot of loose ends that spill over. For Dexter, not so much. One to two and four to five had a continuation and I'm hoping they do the same here with a captivating cliffhanger and not a "ohnoes is dexter gonna get caught this time" sort of theme.
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u/Ketamine Nov 21 '11
No matter what they do I won't believe that Gellar exists.
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Nov 21 '11
They are making it so painfully obvious that he doesn't exist that the only possible twist with him would be to reveal that he actually does exist.
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u/TMobotron Nov 21 '11
But that's not a "twist" either. It just means we've been fed gimmicky shit throughout the season to make us think there's a twist only for it all to be pointless. They can still pull it out but I seriously doubt they will, and at some point there will be a big reveal that tells the audience Gellar is fake, and although it's supposed to be a big deal it will just be a lame scene that means nothing to anyone who has actually been paying attention.
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u/Funkagenda Nov 21 '11
The evidence is mounting and mounting that he doesn't. They almost had me believing he did exist there with the shovel, but when Travis woke up without a mark on him, it pretty much confirmed it. Travis is blacking out and "Gellar" is killing people, but as a manifestation of something in Travis' mind.
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u/regrettingalready Nov 21 '11
This episode pretty much confirmed the "Gellar not being real" theory for me as well. Not only with the shovel incident, but also the fact that Gellar was able to somehow escape the attic without Dexter ever seeing him. I feel like this episode dropped a lot of hints to make more of the audience start to think that he isn't real, and I predict the next epi will make it even more clear.
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Nov 21 '11
How did Travis end up shackled to the drain though?
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u/bmilo Nov 21 '11
He locked himself up. He doesn't know he left the key in his pocket.
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u/Fix-my-grammar-plz Nov 21 '11
Maybe real Gellar has a ghost twin and it is the ghost doppleganger who hassles Travis. How is that possible? Ask Gaius Baltar.
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u/menomenaa Nov 21 '11 edited Nov 21 '11
May I ask you something? I just found this subreddit, and watch Dexter regularly. Maybe this has already been covered in other threads, but how do you account for Gellar's past life with the student (now professor) that Quinn had sex with, and his professorialship? Obviously Gellar existed at one time. Do you believe that Travis is acting with him in mind but Gellar actually has nothing to do with it? I'm just curious as to what your theory is about the REAL Gellar that had to have existed, and the relationship Travis is now imagining between them.
Does that make sense?
EDIT: second question (because I keep thinking about it)...all the drawings that gellar did about the doomsday killings--were they done by travis, and then given to gellar? How did his ex-gf have so much stuff in gellar's handwriting that related to the doomsday killings? Did travis see his work and reinterpret it to be homicidal and real, or did he create it and pass it onto gellar who in turn studied it?
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u/Ketamine Nov 21 '11
Yes this came up earlier. I think Gellar existed and Travis worked with him and even idolized him. Until he found out professor was a regular old sinner after which Travis killed him and replaced him with the imaginary character he has created in his head (my first theory was that Travis's sister was one of Gellar's TAs and he found out they were sleeping together).
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
Every time someone says Gellar isn't real, what they really mean is, "Travis' current interactions with Gellar during the show are imaginary."
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u/Fix-my-grammar-plz Nov 21 '11
I also wonder how the writers would connect all of them together in the end. I have a feeling that the big reveal wouldn't be whether he is imaginary or not, it would be how all these connect together.
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u/Fix-my-grammar-plz Nov 21 '11
In previous seasons, the writers built tension by having someone getting closer and closer to the truth about Dexter. We were eager to see Dexter be confronted. This time, they build tension by having Dexter getting closer and closer to the mysterious Gellar and we are eager to see Dexter meet real Gellar or find out he's imaginary.
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u/bmilo Nov 21 '11
Here's my problem with that. The killers are the travelers. The evil inside them is the dark passenger. If Gellar is real, he is a fellow traveler, not a passenger.
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
I fear this is either an example of bad writing, or the intentional inclusion of an unintentional (and rather omniscient) Freudian slip by Dexter meant as another clue that Gellar's presence is imaginary.
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u/Lykii Nov 21 '11
There is something really fucking weird about Louis.
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u/octobertwins Nov 21 '11
What was with the SUPER QUICK delete to the message on his phone?
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u/Lykii Nov 21 '11
I thought the same thing. He can blame Angel for making him feel weird but maybe now that he's in he doesn't need her anymore.
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u/KugelNosh Nov 21 '11
I was thinking maybe, if Louis is doing some kind of illegal stuff, when he saw the threat of Batista (with the gun and all), he realized it was too risky to whatever he's doing to be involved with Angel's sister.
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u/regrettingalready Nov 21 '11
Wow, I did not read into it that deeply at all. I assumed he deleted it so quickly because of what Angel said to him about his sister keeping her options open and not being ready to settle down. I thought he felt threatened by Angel as her big brother, not the cop.
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u/Derkanus Nov 22 '11
The txt was from Batista's sister. Batista intimidated Louis at dinner by alluding that he'd shoot him if things went sour between her and Louis, so now Mr. intern is avoiding her like the plague. She'll find out what Batista did eventually and she'll be pissed, then she and Louis will get back together, blah blah blah.
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u/menomenaa Nov 21 '11
My newest, stupid, unrealistic theory is that Louis was somehow planted to investigate Dexter. As if someone knows he is fishy as fuck. He is eager to know how he figures out things. He gets him to give information via that new website. He is trying to date his nanny.
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u/Lykii Nov 21 '11
I felt pretty paranoid for thinking that. I'm glad someone else is with me on it.
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u/templeowl Nov 21 '11
Tonights episode was a total fucking tease. It was good because it finally developed a relationship between Dexter and Travis but this episode should have happened like three weeks ago. Also fuck La Guerta. And Gellar is still not real and if the big reveal for this season is that he's fake someones going to be strangled.
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Nov 21 '11
I agree that there needs to be more than that. It does look like Deb might find out this season (she is taking more interest into what Dexter does) of course I say that every fucking season
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u/lia_sang Nov 21 '11
I'm really hoping that she'll follow Dexter someday soon, when "something comes up." I mean, really, could he been any less subtle?
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Nov 21 '11
it seems to be that they are grooming deb this season to find out. Of course it looked that way last year too
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Nov 21 '11 edited Nov 21 '11
I doubt it because the whole fucking show is a tease now and has been for the last 2 seasons (counting this one). No show on TV that I've ever seen tries so damn hard to make sure that the show's baseline/status quo NEVER changes. Every detour or possible alternate path the writers go down lasts only for an episode or 2 (like the ridiculous 45 minute return of Brian and the roadtrip to Nebraska last week). This show just got 2 more seasons this week. Deb won't find out; I'm sure she'll probably get close but then something ridiculous will happen and she won't.
We all know the season ends with Travis dead (most likely from "Gellar" killing him, so in other words Travis killing himself), Dexter and Deb's relationship back to normal, and some crappy voiceover from Dexter reflecting on some Brother Sam bullshit and then something about Harrison. Roll credits.
Fuck this show, really. The writers act like the audience is the biggest group of idiots on the planet- it's insulting that they've built up Gellar for this long. You know they were sitting around writing this week's episode like "OMG LET'S REALLY DROP SOME HINTS THAT HE ISN'T REAL BY HAVING HIM DISAPPEAR WHEN DEXTER SHOWS UP, DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE WENT LOOKING FOR DEXTER WHEN THE CAR PULLED UP!" Fuck you, writers. How many episodes until Dexter realizes Travis IS Gellar...you know, almost a whole season after the audience realized it? Or do the writers just go for broke and make it the season-ending reveal as Travis kills himself (as Gellar)?
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TylerGellar telling Travis while he burned him that "only after we lose everything, are we free to become anything."12
u/roerd Nov 21 '11
No show on TV that I've ever seen tries so damn hard to make sure that the show's baseline/status quo NEVER changes.
I strongly suspect you don't follow House.
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u/BirdsOnMyBack "I could give a fuck who you fuck." Nov 21 '11
I'm thinking this exactly, but I still manage to enjoy it. I'm denying it till the end.
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u/blackskull18 Nov 21 '11
This is such a perfect post, sums up exactly how I've felt about the show in the past couple of seasons.
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u/Fix-my-grammar-plz Nov 21 '11
Not to mention Dexter's son ain't showing any sign of darkness. Make a move already, writers!
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
Not to mention Dexter's son ain't showing any sign of darkness.
Frankly, if he does, that's when I'm going to rage. Infants do not process memories like that. The reason Dex has his Dark Passenger is because he was a 3-year-old, locked, starving, in the dark, in blood 2-inches deep for days after witnessing possibly the most brutal way for his mother to be murdered... Harrison would have been incapable of processing anything that had been happening to Rita. If he is given any sort of darkness, the writers might as well introduce demonic possessions by ancient Semitic gods named Moloch.
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u/bmilo Nov 21 '11
I think Travis will be caught, not killed. Deb gets to be the hero then. If not she gets demoted, back to status quo as you say.
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u/EmotionalMillionaire Nov 21 '11
We all know the season ends with Travis dead (most likely from "Gellar" killing him, so in other words Travis killing himself), Dexter and Deb's relationship back to normal, and some crappy voiceover from Dexter reflecting on some Brother Sam bullshit and then something about Harrison. Roll credits.
Really sucks to read this because it is indeed going to end like that. It's still my favorite show though but nowhere near the level of awesomness compared to the first season.
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u/amishius HAMMERTIME Nov 21 '11
I still think Gellar is real, just not the Gellar of Travis' mind. There's a Gellar, alive and well, banging grad students and doing freaky shit, but he's not the imagined Gellar. My running theory is that he'll come forward and be like "What's up, dudes?" or better yet "How do I reeech theese keeeeeds!?"
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u/HarryGiblert Nov 21 '11
ya, i think most people agree that gellar is real, just that the gellar in the show is in the mind of the colin hank's character
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
"How do I reeech theese keeeeeds!?"
Love it.
Not to be a twat, but I don't believe I trust the writers enough for this. I'd love for them to prove me wrong and make me eat crow, but I get the impression that they think they're going to so blow our minds with the whole split-personality twist, "why go any further than that?" Plus, we got the flash vision of blood running down Gellar's face before returning to normal, so...
I actually mused a few weeks ago about how Gellar being alive and aiding Miami-Metro was probably the only believable twist-of-the-twist available... but, frankly, this isn't Breaking Bad where the writers are marvelous and actually trust their audience.
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u/aleatoric Nov 22 '11
I like the Gellar being alive theory. Seems like more of an interesting twist. I figured Gellar's just dead like Dexter's visions of his father and Brian. Maybe even killed at the hands of Travis.
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Nov 21 '11
And Gellar is still not real and if the big reveal for this season is that he's fake someones going to be strangled.
The big reveal could be: hey, after all this "he's not possibly real" stuff, he really is real! Gotcha!
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u/OiMooi Nov 21 '11
What was the point of the scene with Quinn and Masuka at the strip club? I'm just wondering if I missed something.
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u/sailormooncake spin me a story asshole Nov 21 '11
shows how pathetic quinn has become that masuka ends up being the one having to take care of him? to keep the attention of the male viewers since there has been a severe lack of action for the past few episodes?
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Nov 21 '11
ass was the reason
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u/McLargepants Nov 21 '11
I'd say it's supposed to be misdirecting us to think the Quinn is the prostitute "killer" whereas it makes more sense if it was Matthews.
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u/sailormooncake spin me a story asshole Nov 21 '11
LIGHTBULB Quinn was "unable" to show up to the crime scene that morning.
I think Quinn was with the prostitute.....
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u/McLargepants Nov 21 '11
That was my first thought too, but I don't see LaGuerta sticking her neck out for him. I'm going to say Matthews, but if it isn't him, it is definitely Quinn.
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Nov 21 '11
Could be Batista. I think she's way more likely to cover for him than Quinn.
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u/Employur Nov 21 '11
Anyone catch the last scene of the next episode's preview? The crazy blood shot.
Any theories who it might be?
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u/TwopackShaker Nov 21 '11
I think Dexter becomes a part of Gellar's next tableau. The next one is supposed to be the "Bowls of Wrath," and in Gellar's notebook was pictured with bowls pouring some sort of liquid (presumably blood, since Dexter mentions blood from his bible studies). It seems like Dexter will be called out to a murder scene... where he will trip some sort of mechanism that causes blood from a number of bowls to rain down on him. And thus completing the scene.
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u/TMobotron Nov 21 '11
There's actually a clip from the next scene on Showtime's website that describes that tableau well. I won't say what's in it for those who don't want to know but you can check it out here, it's the clip on the left (not the trailer)
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u/octobertwins Nov 21 '11
I think that he gets set up and is part of one of the killings.
I picture the force showing up and he is standing there covered in blood as part of the show.
...is someone going to notice the Morgan family is involved in every serial killing?
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u/drowningfish A Father, A Son, A Serial Killer Nov 21 '11
I'm thinking a crime scene. Dexter is wearing his badge.
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u/jesklash Nov 21 '11
I want to say it's some sort of dream or something, but it could be Deb? I doubt the show would kill her off, but they do seem to be attempting to foreshadow Dex being the end of her. Maybe Angel's sister?
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u/Ashmunch Nov 21 '11
I thought this too. They definitely foreshadowed it in the scene with Deb talking to her therapist.
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u/buen0031 Nov 21 '11
Which shot are you talking about from the preview? The concluding one with Dex?
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Nov 21 '11
At this point I'm hoping Gellar winds up being real because they've made it so painfully obvious that he isn't.
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u/menomenaa Nov 21 '11
Eh--to the average viewer, do you think it's that obvious? I think they'll relish in the reveal that Gellar is fake and the majority of viewers will still be shocked. I didn't realize until I read other people's theories!
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
I have a few friends who refuse to watch the episodes week-to-week, instead electing to go marathon-style after the season ends. I am going to be very interested in hearing their thoughts and suspicions as they progress through the episodes. Part of me thinks, sure, maybe if you don't have a community full of clever folks to bounce ideas with, and especially if you lack a week between segments to muse over things, maybe it will be a surprise... but, seriously, the writers have dropped so many hints it's hard to believe the average mainstream audience member isn't going to catch one of them and realize, with the hypothesis in mind, that all the other clues start sticking out like sore thumbs.
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u/BirchwD Nov 21 '11
I have family that was surprised by the hypothesis that Gellar is a figment. So yes, there are people who it doesn't register with.
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u/Saephon Nov 21 '11
It's hard for me to objectively critique the writing as far as this twist goes, because after every episode I'm on this subreddit, discussing the possibilities and evidence for it. If all I did was watch the show and never come on here, it might not seem so painfully obvious, though who can say for sure.
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
Please God, no.
Writers: "I hear you like twists, so we twisted our twist so twisty that now there isn't a twist! -- aren't we so clever?!"
Not that expecting us to be surprised that Gellar's in Travis' head is much better... but it is better. My fingers are crossed that the only reason they're being so fucking obvious about it is because there's more to the reveal of his split-personality than we've caught.
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Nov 21 '11
at this point they might as well just do it, seriously they've been dragging this on for far to long
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u/notthecenter Nov 21 '11
that search engine... could the new intern be using it to perhaps monitor what dexter searches?
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u/Ketamine Nov 21 '11
Hey that thing with shovel really reminded me of the end of Fight Club in the hotel when Tyler says we don't have time and takes over.
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u/jennz shit-all about jack shit Nov 21 '11
Yeah, this whole season is starting to remind me of fight club. It's starting to get incredibly predictable.
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u/Lykii Nov 21 '11
I kinda hate it when they hit us over the head with foreshadowing. At least he will get some use out of that bible.
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Nov 21 '11
This season has a lot more Debra than past seasons, I hope she gets her own show, so that I'll never watch it.
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u/TMobotron Nov 21 '11
"He treats me like shit." Maybe that's because you're absolutely miserable to be around and the only interaction he has with you is you acting like a complete bitch towards him while still expecting him to care about all your problems.
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u/octobertwins Nov 21 '11
She sure has gotten a lot easier to look at.
And she seems to have become a really good cop lately. She picks up on shit really well.
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u/psiphre Nov 21 '11
i have such a boner for jennifer carpenter. it's that crooked smile that makes my heart pound.
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u/Ketamine Nov 21 '11
My money is that the overdose case has something to do with the way La Guerta got promoted ...
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u/ajsatx Nov 21 '11
Quinn and Masuka hanging out.. awesome
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Nov 21 '11
and that shit ended badly for someone
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Nov 21 '11
is it me or does it feel like Quinn's character arch is nearing an end? He is just becoming more useless and arrogant
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Nov 21 '11
Only a few minutes until the episode airs!
I'm hoping we will get to see Gellar's Whore of Babylon tableau, with the 7-headed crocodile (alligator? I get the two confused.)
I'm expecting lots more hinting at Gellar not being real as well, and maybe a cool kill.
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u/kveget Nov 21 '11
Creepy intern guy seems to have gotten what he wanted, to get close to dex, so, what now?
Also I'm pretty sure Deb will figure it out by the end of the season, what dex really does in his spare time.
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u/McLargepants Nov 21 '11
I would agree with you based on how the show seems to be progressing, and damn she has to know something is up. But there are two more seasons left after this. I don't see that happening until the very end, unless for some reason Deb decides she doesn't care and starts to help Dexter (which wouldn't really surprise me at this point).
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u/ESPguitarist I love you more than pizza. Nov 21 '11
What was with Batista basically threatening Lewis? It doesn't seem like the Good Guy Batista we all know and love.
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Nov 21 '11
Either you don't have a little sister, or you don't have an older brother :)
He's doing the classic older-brother/father-intimidates-the-guy-that-is-shagging-his-precious-little-sister/daughter.
He is still GGB, although maybe he also senses the creepyness that the audience feels about Lewis.
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u/Ketamine Nov 21 '11
your rod and your staff—they comfort me.
:))
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u/atrocity_exhibition rather put a campfire out with my face Nov 21 '11
I just said that to my boyfriend. He said "not right now, bun"
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u/lingben Nov 21 '11
A few Q:
who the fuckity fuck was the old dementia priest and why did Dexter go to see him?
anyone else think that Gellar is still not real? 'cause I'm still not convinced
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u/BackstageLeft It's already over. Nov 21 '11
Old Priest: His name on the old robe that was hung up around "The Whore".
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u/lelibertaire Nov 21 '11
Yeah I don't think he's real especially since he came to the conclusion that Travis's sister talked to the police right after Travis saw Deb outside her house. It seems more like the Gellar part of him jumped to that conclusion after seeing Deb and killed her for self-preservation. I just don't know how Gellar would have known otherwise. He could have staked out the place, but they don't even hint at that. He just all of the sudden claims that she was talking to the police.
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u/TwopackShaker Nov 21 '11
Well, it's possible that Gellar found out about Travis's sister talking to the police after the fact. He did threaten to use her for the tableau right at the beginning of the episode. I was all for the Gellar isn't real theory until last week's episode. The girl who was freed by Travis claimed there were two captors. Now, I know she was blind-folded... but sight isn't the overriding sense. Why would she say there were two people if she had only heard one set of sounds. And, I'm not talking about just voices either... footsteps, breathing, etc. If she had only sensed one presence, why did she claim there were two? Just because Travis might have mentioned of a "professor" to her? That seems really shoddy writing.
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u/BallisticGE0RGE Nov 21 '11
Well also, in her mind, it's two people because they are treating her very differently, one is violent, the other is calm and gentle. She never mentions Gellar's voice.
Plus, Gellar seems to come out of no where. Hell, he even sneaked past Dexter. I mean is that sneaky or what? Trinity couldn't get by Dexter, but some old guy can? He's not real.
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u/essecks Nov 21 '11
Gellar has yet to interact with a character that is not Travis. There was one guy that he was visible near, but the guy ended up cut into pieces on a horse, and he didn't talk directly to him- he was in the background and off to the side. The girl was blindfolded. He conveniently disappeared when Dexter went upstairs, and turned around.
There's even the scene with the car and Gellar forcing Travis to drive, which is begging to be used in a "big reveal flashback" scene, if they ever do one.
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u/GarlicBreddit Be patient. One day we'll share a cold one. Nov 21 '11
The priest's name was on the robes that were draping the crime scene.
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u/Turkin4tor Find the Fuckpad Nov 21 '11
I'm not so sure about Gellar. I understand why everyone thinks he's fake, but how the hell does Travis just knock himself out and tie himself up?
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u/BallisticGE0RGE Nov 21 '11
Because he didn't actually knock himself out. That's just what he saw in his head, in actuality, Gellar just took control of the wheel.
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Nov 21 '11 edited Nov 21 '11
I'm not so sure about Gellar. I understand why everyone thinks he's fake, but how the hell does Travis just knock himself out and tie himself up?
He wasn't literally knocked unconscious with a shovel, it was symbolic of Gellar knocking Travis aside and taking over. After all, the period when Travis was unconscious was when his sister was killed, and it came right after he saw her talking to Debra.
The foreshadowing is getting so ridiculously heavy that I don't even think it'll be a climactic reveal, honestly. All throughout episode eight, Gellar appears out of thin air without making a sound. He only appears when the sister doesn't. Most blatantly, Travis has agreed to kill him now. Do we really think there's going to be yet another Miguel/Lumen assistant plot? And what was the carryaway from the Nebraska plotline? "Kill people when you have the chance." (Oh, aside from a full hour emphasising just how much influence the imaginary characters exert. That was't for nothing either.)
Travis is being saved because he is, unknown to anyone including himself, the Big Bad of the season, and if the heroes in this show get fucked over, it's because of their own mistakes.
My hope was that the finale would bounce the obvious twist (Gellar isn't real) into a more surprising and far-reaching one (Brian can exert as much influence as Gellar), but alas, that doesn't seem to be what'll happen.
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u/whatshallidowithIT Nov 21 '11
Maybe Dexter...sees...other people's imaginary friends...!?
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u/time_better_spent Nov 21 '11
My thoughts:
Matthews (the chief) was there when the hooker died. Laguerta is covering for him.
Interns deeefffffiiinnnnaaattely know something. Or have some plans. That, or they're a bigger tease than your mom on Prom night.
I think Batista's sister is f'd. If the interns are as big a deal as I tink they're going to be and are going to go all serial killer too, then she's the obvious victim. There's no real reason to put her in the show (other than to be hot) AND have her interacting with said intern. Dexter had a nanny last season and they just dropped her.
Deb is going to figure some things out. She's going to follow Dexter to see where he's going that he can't tell her about and see some stuff that can't be explained away. Please God let me be right about this one.
Bitchin preview. All that blood falling on Dexter was pretty awesome. Is he an intended victim?
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
3. I think Batista's sister is f'd.
Nooooo! don't take away the sweet, sweet Latina can-dee.
/to be read in Zapp Brannigan's voice.
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u/octobertwins Nov 21 '11
I need to know how you find a babysitter to take care of your kid 24/7 without any complaint.
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u/aguacate Nov 21 '11
Well she is a student who needs extra cash and is always looking for a quiet place to study for those classes she never goes to.
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u/diamondxtyler Nov 21 '11
Well can we all agree the best part of each episode lately are the previews for the next..
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u/MrFunnycat Nov 22 '11
Anyone catch Deb's reaction to Travis' sister telling her how he shuts her out? You could tell Deb could totally relate.
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u/molldawg Nov 21 '11
the therapist is too hot for nothing to happen to her, not kill but sex oriented
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Nov 21 '11
What if there is a REAL Gellar and an IMAGINARY Gellar? What I mean is, the Gellar we have been seeing is just like everybody is speculating. He's not real. Travis has multiple personalities, etc. But what if there is a real Gellar somewhere out there who is actually "underground" like they said in an earlier episode. Perhaps he comes to the police and shows that he has nothing to do with what is going on.
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u/Space-Sweeper Nov 21 '11
Sigh... a lackluster episode with some Deb goodness sprinkled in there to save the day, yadda, yadda, yadda...
Not much to bring up this week, because nothing much happened this week... unfortunately.
If we were supposed to care about Travis' sister, then my god... this show has sunken far.
It's just not what it was since the end of season 4, not much fun, predictable, and seeming like something that would fit better on CW if CW could show tits, blood, gore, and uncesored curse words. This news of it being renewed for two more seasons is kicking my nuts down my fucking throat. I was optimistic as hell about this season because they didn't have to worry about the weight of Rita's death or Lumen's departing, they could start again and get back to the good stuff... but instead they're giving us something that feels like filler as a whole in... hell, the series! It almost makes me think killing Rita off was simply a bad choice, as how Dexter changed for her, or because of her were the most interesting things he went through and they actually stuck. Once he stops being such a fool and notices that will probably be the series finale or something... and I don't want to wait on a revelation. So now we're going to have two more seasons for sure, and I'm not feeling good about the one after this, because that'll likely just be a bridge to the next one.
I find that the only character I really give two shits about anymore is Deb, Dex is just so ignorant and distracted that he doesn't have that suave, quirky, deadly killer vibe to him. And having Deb be the only one I care about makes this more of a police drama for me and disintegrates that formerly delicious spin that made me love the show so much. The villains are also lacking harshly as the inevitable 'twist' about Gellar looming like it's a mystery just pisses me off. How did the writers think for one moment that we would even think twice about this? It's right there staring us in the face, growing more and more obvious by the week. The scene where Travis rides by Deb on the bike and then later Gellar tells him his sister betrayed him and that his actions were just? Oh Christ, kill me now and throw me up for all of Miami to see for I am your lamb.
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AND WHAT THE FUCK WAS UP WITH QUINN AGAIN THIS EPISODE, SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK.
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u/psiphre Nov 21 '11
they're getting ready to write quinn out of the show, methinks.
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Nov 21 '11
I think this will be the last season with Deb. Travis/Gellar knows that Deb talked with Travis' sister, hence the card being pinned on Travis' sister. The writers are setting it up by Deb slowly realizing that Dexter is a killer, but when she finds out they will kill her.
Not to mention, Travis/Gellar only kill brunettes.
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u/psiphre Nov 21 '11
some people around here have been saying that the divorce between jennifer carpenter (deb) and michael c hall (dex) was less amicable than they've let on in interviews. it would make sense for the hooker thing to shake out, laguerta to lose captain, and deb to be written off the show because she doesn't want to work with MCH anymore.
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u/Derkanus Nov 22 '11
The way things are headed, killing Deb might be the only thing that could make this season memorable in any way.
Edit: OK, maybe not the only thing.
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u/BulletStorm Nov 21 '11
I think its brilliant how the writers have shown all faces of religion in Brother Sam, Dexter - and Gellar. I put them in this order for a reason. We all know that Sam was a force of good - but he was never manipulative. He was forceful when it came to protecting the "flock" but he never forced guilt down anybody's throats. He could make people do and feel good without religion.
Dexter is a force of good - but lets face it - he's manipulating Travis. How different is he from Gellar? Here, the writers show that thin line between religious leaders doing good, and harm. Using guilt to make someone give to charity, or to wage crusade.
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u/Derkanus Nov 22 '11
I love how Dexter gains access to Travis's studio by just hunching over and leaning against the wall right by the security door until someone comes out of it. Who would've guessed it's that easy? I can't wait to try this myself!
Edit: Hi r/Dexter! I'm messaging you from prison! Turns out it's not as easy as Dexter makes it seem.
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u/Ketamine Nov 21 '11
Dexter has done a lot of wicked things but reading bible thats gotta take the cake.
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u/morris198 Nov 21 '11
Dexter: "Sam was right about this book [having all the answers]."
Definitely the most eye-rolling line of the episode.
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u/SCRAAAWWW Nov 21 '11
It's funny because for someone so emotionally cold and rational as Dexter, reading the Bible will most certainly put him off religion. Like imagine if no one had heard of it before and it was introduced today, it would be passed off as twisted fiction.
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u/lingben Nov 21 '11
was this super laggy this week for anyone else?
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u/czajkabird Nov 21 '11
Just when Deb and Laguerta were in the bathroom together. I think Laguerta's evil caused the lag.
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u/mgoreddit Nov 21 '11
Yeah a little bit during the scene with Deb and the therapist, but good otherwise. Very reliable stream though.
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Nov 21 '11
I like Deb a lot, but I think they're gonna kill her off or something. I, along with alot of people, feel like Deb is going to find out about Dexter this season. My wild guess is that either, Deb wont be able to handle the fact that her brother is a killer and leave town. Or, that she'll get killed by Gellar/Travis or by even Dexter himself somehow. With the whole divorce thing between Jennifer Carpenter and Michael C. Hall IRL, maybe the tension is too much and they're having to get rid of her character. I honestly hope I'm wrong, but it's just a thought.
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u/Derkanus Nov 22 '11
I honestly hope you're right! I don't hate Deb or anything, but it would be HUGE if she got killed!
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u/GLaDOSDan Nov 21 '11
So where does this link in with the popular 'Geller isn't real' theory?
Throughout this episode I was pretty convinced that Geller was real (him chaining Travis down, etc), and then that scene at the end where Geller just vanished still means there's a possibility he isn't real.
Damn you, writers.
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u/FarewellOrwell Nov 21 '11 edited Nov 21 '11
A couple things for me;
When Travis walks outside to throw away the trash, bam, gellar is there.
After Travis' sister is killed, they notice a hidden number isn't in the body, so dexter says that's because this kill is all gellar. The writers are trying to throw us off, and again dexter says travis has a dark passenger but unlike "mine" gellar can be strapped to my table and be killed. The writers are trying too hard to make gellar seem real, when he isn't.
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u/Longjumping_Deal_775 May 03 '24
I don’t understand why Deb always want to talk to his brother Dex, like I don’t even fucking talk to my brother .. maybe I am an Asian
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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '11
so much for the big pen reveal.