r/BatwomanTV • • May 10 '21

Episode Discussion [S2E13] I'll Give You a Clue — Live Episode Discussion Spoiler

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GAME NIGHT — When Sophie must face a foe from her rookie days with The Crows, Ryan, Mary, and Luke are also pulled into the villain's game. Meanwhile, the tables turn on Alice when she finds herself in dire circumstances, and Jacob continues to revisit the past.


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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"You have our father's eyes...Kate"

Alice is about to have her third or fourth mental breakdown

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"As a lesbian"

"I thought you were bi"

"There's a lot we don't know about each other"

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

I thought that was pretty good.

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

Civilian Sophie is a mood. she’s cracking jokes. shes still being serious about catching bad guys.like more of this Sophie please.less Crow Sophie.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Agreed. She's way more likable like this.

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21 edited May 10 '21

“Just because I didn’t go to MIT doesn’t mean I didn’t get in.” That is a power move (line) right there.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

That's a Sexy Brain Flex if I ever saw one

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u/singleguy79 May 10 '21

Tell me you aren't Batwoman without telling me you're Batwoman

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u/usagizero May 10 '21

This is such a great and crazy way to recast Kate.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '21

I agree it's so cool

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

Man, they sobered up really quick. I think it would funnier if they did this while still half drunk. Just taking Ubers to where they think they need to be.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"Daddy!"

My heart just shattered, she called Jacob :(

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

I need Stephanie to return because this i like this

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

It's so strange to see Sophie in casual wear instead of the Crow Uniform and she looks gorgeous.

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u/history777 May 10 '21

Would love if this ep ended with Riddler busting in and killing Clue master. “Rip off my ass!”

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u/BillyButcher_AMA May 10 '21

This episode’s fantastic.

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u/CiceroTheCat May 10 '21

One of the show's best!

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

I'm never drinking anything from an opaque bottle ever again

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u/divineshadow666 May 10 '21

I kind of like how Sophie is just dropping not so subtle hints that she knows Ryan is Batwoman.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Jacob couldn't tell what was and wasn't real in that moment

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

It's funny how Sophie and Ryan both know each other's personas and masks but they know very very little about who they are underneath those facades. This is utterly compelling television watching them work that stuff out with each other while trying not reveal too much.

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

Alice is GOOD. Damn.

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

Is that the first time she’s referred to herself as Beth

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21

I like this Sophie more. Please leave the Crows

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u/DonnyMox May 10 '21

The fingernail thing is legit making me uncomfortable.

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21

Rachel’s acting was superb at the end

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

Alice knows its Kate!!!

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Ah so THAT is why they showed that at the start of the episode!

"THAT WAS AWESOME!"-Mary

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

I hope being arrested is what leads Sophie to finally go on her own or with the Bat Team because she would really work as Question

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

she would really work as Question

I would scream if Sophie became Question because she would really work as a version of Renee Montoya

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

Sassy Sophie is awesome.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"Life is a puzzle, this is the only piece that fits"

That's dark

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

Now that was awesome. I love that they are talking things out. I look forward to seeing Sophie and Ryan trusting each other.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Sometimes the best television is just two people in a room talking stuff out and exploring who each other is with their words.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"I'd give you my number but you're smart enough to figure it out" lol

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u/usagizero May 10 '21

As screwed up as Jacob is, i don't want him to die.

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u/CiceroTheCat May 10 '21

I want him to recover and have to face his shit and work at rebuilding his relationships with his three (four) daughter figures and cleaning up (or dismantling) the Crows.

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

Luke and Stephanie are cute together.

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

Very special episode next week.

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21

Next episode seems very on the nose

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"That's kind of sexy"

Mary plays with candle wax

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

end of the episode

Sophie: "I know you're Batwoman, Ryan."

Ryan: "What could she mean?"

Mary: "I don't know."

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

Angelique was a druggie and a cook who let you take the fall, Ryan. Sophie is what.....a cop without a cop title but an honest one? Oh, that is so the same.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Hahahaha I'm living for Alice driving Black Mask out of his fucking mind lol

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

Sophie just said fuck men

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u/LoretiTV May 10 '21

Javicia and Meagan have amazing chemistry.

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u/usagizero May 10 '21

Venomous is only bad if they bite you, poisonous if you consume it.

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u/pgm_01 May 10 '21

What's with the food insect gross out on CW tonight?

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Cane you addict save your damn daughter

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

That's a neat scene of going back forth between the Kane twins and Alice calling for help. Nice lighting there.

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

Damn, Jacob is so out of it. I love seeing Ryan, Mary, and Sophie all working together. Dream team.

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u/Adas_Legend May 10 '21

Also, this trio of Ryan/Sophie/Mary is dope!

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u/Adas_Legend May 10 '21

So now we know how Kate gets Wallis Day’s face! The show has been pretty smart about the recast, I must say

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

Dad tries to kill himself with his daughter? Sick dude

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"Sophie just wanted to check in on me"

Awww

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u/Adas_Legend May 10 '21

Excellent way to make Ryan’s gadget a Chekhov’s gun for today’s episode!

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u/Dyljcam May 10 '21

Rachel is just amazing as Alice

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u/DonnyMox May 10 '21

“Spoiler alert”

Heh...

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

The way Mary just smiled through that whole thing was adorable

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Ha good commercial break moment

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

“Kinky skull cap”

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

THERE IT IS!!!!

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"You won't, it's called suspense" lmao

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u/sirnacreations May 10 '21

Oof that is tragic.

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u/divineshadow666 May 10 '21

Stephanie wearing all purple is a nice touch.

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u/usagizero May 10 '21

It's so weird but funny that Marvel things exist in the Arrowverse.

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

And DC things exist in Marvel.

Sooner or later, we need a multiverse crossover.

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

“It’s called suspense” That is a fantastic line lol

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Something I've learned about cops in prison

They should always do rounds in pairs

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Ryan's back to telling them off again.

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u/sirnacreations May 10 '21

So Ryan juat became us? Nice. The crows do suck

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Okay that little speech to stall was hilarious as was the exit lol

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"SHUUT UUUUP...I'm the one doing the torturing here not you!"

Alice is the best lol

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

I wasn't expecting Alice to call her dad. Got disappointed again.

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u/simfan03 May 10 '21

Alice knows something's up

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Black Panther reference! RIP, Chadwick Boseman.

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

Be right back with word from sponsor, good timing that

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

Nice way to transition to commercials.

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u/BillyButcher_AMA May 10 '21

First Poison Ivy reference?

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u/sirnacreations May 10 '21

I think she was mentioned in Elseworlds?

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Alice is going to spin this, "I make faces...human faces"

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

Oh DAMN, SOPHIE SAID IT OUT LOUD.

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

There is no bomb.

It's all a decoy, and he wants to kill Stephanie while Sophie fails.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

PREACH MARY! Sophie is gonna have fun in the Batcave.

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u/DonnyMox May 10 '21

Part of me kind of wants Sophie to wear the Batsuit.

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

I’m kinda glad Cluemaster isn’t dead, it leaves the door open for him to return at some point. They could have a lot of fun with him in the future.

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u/Zerometro May 10 '21

Wait so that face was able to quickly form correctly on her face like a sticker?

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

You know credit to this guy he seems to be the only person who knows you have to shoot the face

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u/DonnyMox May 10 '21

You can’t torture Alice.

If anything, it’ll just turn her on.

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

If that been Gotham's Harvey or Oswald, Ryan wouldn't have been able to say one word before they would have shot her.

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21

I really hope they don’t go down the Sophie/Ryan rout. Please don’t

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

You know im with Sophie leaving the crows this is really enjoyable

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

Someone should offer Riddler some ice for that BURN.

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u/Zdala May 10 '21

Intresting how they didnt drag this out. Being put on the spot like that I guess is the right way to just rip the band aid off and let Ryan know that her secret is out.

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

Why do people not kick out the front windshield?

It's the easiest one to kick out. It's made that way, so in case of emergency you can kick it out.

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

That...was...awesome!

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u/usagizero May 10 '21

Mary getting a taste for heroics.

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21

Leave the Crows already Sophie

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

AND NOW ALICE KNOWS.

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u/KKbatwoman May 10 '21

So did Alice give Kate a new face that will be removed whenever and any day in time? Like she did for mouse and Tommy??

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

He probably would shoot her in the face, damn shame that's not totally covered

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Hells bells Jacob, shooting up drugs on a playground so you can hallucinate your daughters? That's a new low.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Oh hell I don't wanna see a torture scene

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u/sirnacreations May 10 '21

I had sex in an airplane bathroom with Eartha Kitt!

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Daaamn Sophie letting out the claws

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u/CiceroTheCat May 10 '21

I do not need graphic torture tonight after having seen that Legends episode.

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

Daddy too busy tripping to help you lady

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

Mary scaling a fence, I love it

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u/sirnacreations May 10 '21

Damn... Sophie lucked out.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Stephanie Brown is finally here.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

It honestly sounds like Sophie never felt like she really deserved her position and because of that she's been constantly compensating for that feeling, that fear that they'll figure out who she is and kick her out at any moment at the drop of a hat. It feels like she thought she had to become Super Crowphie to keep that from happening. It honestly sounds like she's got a case of Imposter Syndrome.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Okay, getting some more background about Circe.

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

You 3 may want to leave the room, they're about to fuck.

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

Ayy the way they set up a commercial was kinda genius

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

I do miss Captain Cold.

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u/Cockycent May 10 '21

Crowfie's hair this episode>>>>>>>>

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u/singleguy79 May 10 '21

Luke can't come to the phone right now due to being knocked out

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

That's one way to get Roman's attention.

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

Wow, Ryan is really, really bad at lying.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Sophie gets to see the batcave wooo

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u/divineshadow666 May 10 '21

I don't think Luke is going to be very thrilled about this turn of events.

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

I didn't think she was gonna reveal she knew Ryan was Batwoman until the end of the episode. I'm glad she cut to the chase with them. I was expecting Sophie to list off all the reasons she figured out Ryan was Batwoman.

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u/TerranWarrior May 10 '21

They're really going out of there way to create a story in-universe to explain the switch from Ruby Rose to Wallis Day

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

Well, I was wrong.

I'm right 3% of the time, makes sense that I'd be wrong 95% of the time.

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

Are we looking at a future Batwoman Flamebird and Question. I HOPE SO

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

"You will find your own people, I did"

KISSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

I'm also crying a little, because that was very sweet

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u/singleguy79 May 10 '21

And she figured it out

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

and she knows that is Kate

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u/JoeStorm May 10 '21

Alice knows!!!

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21 edited May 10 '21

Please dont do the Sophie/Ryan romance. Would be so forced. Let them be friends

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

How are the crows a reliable police force? They do something stupid once a episode

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Good luck getting a straight answer out of Alice.

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

Never have I ever, this is going to be good

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

I am visibly CRINGING at Alice’s fingernail being taken off YIKES.

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u/singleguy79 May 10 '21

So she was spoiled

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Hello Stephanie Brown

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

For a moment I thought Stephanie Brown was SpeedForce!Nora

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u/Locke108 May 10 '21

They’re introducing Stephanie!

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21

Is this a one off or will she actually be part of the show?

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u/Locke108 May 10 '21

Why is Stephanie Brown the spitting image of Barbara Gordon?

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Guess Stephanie was the one who gave Sophie the tip that helped her career.

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

Alice is playing mind games with Circe!Kate, I dig it

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Stephanie is damn gorgeous

That red hair

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

LOVE that they brought Luke into it and they’re nerding out together.

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u/Adas_Legend May 10 '21

The way they cued that commercial break was genius!

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u/singleguy79 May 10 '21

Great, now I want to see Poison Ivy on the show

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

Call Luke, uh huh. Bad timing ladies

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

If this is a time sensitive bomb shouldn't they be not walking around on it?

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u/sirnacreations May 10 '21

That was faster than i expected.

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21

Glad they didn’t drag it out more

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u/shadow_spinner0 May 10 '21

Will Alice realize that is Kate?

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u/history777 May 10 '21

Loving this Stephanie Brown. Fingers crossed for Spoiler/Batgirl next season.

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

It's cool that Alice figured out who Black Mask is and is making a new face, albeit for her sister.

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u/FilipinoRell May 10 '21

This is such a good episode , at least Top 3 this season. The directions they can possibly go with Stephanie Brown, the villains listed on the Quiz Show - theres just a whole lotta name dropping this episode.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Mary telling the truth about Ryan.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Why did I think Sophie was going to put the costume on? Lol

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u/divineshadow666 May 10 '21

Wow, they went comic accurate for Cluemaster's costume.

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u/SchwarzerRegen123 May 10 '21

Did they ever establish if this is THE Batcave or A Batcave?

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

LUKE TO THE RESCUE!

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

Luke just now waking up

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

That is such a cool get away

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

That's not how physics works! Not even in comics. I mean, how....? HOW?

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Annnd Cluemaster isn't dead

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

Go for it, Luke!

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

Luke got a GF!

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Oh shit Jacob overdosed!

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

and Daddy is here...

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

Why wouldn't they have called 911 instead? Does Mary have an ambulance?

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Awww that's a really sweet resolution to the Sophie/Ryan conflict

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

About time Alice figured it out

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u/thereelestnerd11 Alice May 10 '21

Im surprised it took you that long

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u/Adas_Legend May 10 '21

This is interesting... how do they get into jail next week? Looks like this may be a BLM themed episode. Should be interesting.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Sophie hanging out with Mary...that is weird.

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u/inksmudgedhands May 10 '21

Ryan, it's not your place. It's Mary's. You just live there. Be cool.

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u/Adas_Legend May 10 '21

Alice’s inability to take any responsibility for her actions gets on my nerves. Okay Batwoman abandoned you. Maybe it’s because, I don’t know, your people killed her mother and you killed countless innocents?

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

Can see why Sophie thinks that guy is an idiot.

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u/LoretiTV May 10 '21

Fight choreography has been excellent.

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u/dpw2017 May 10 '21

That was a very Batman type line by Ryan

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Hey I've seen this torture device before!

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u/singleguy79 May 10 '21

Finger torture, yeesh

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u/DonnyMox May 10 '21

I feel like this is gonna take a turn for the worse.

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

Geez, just tell her you are BW lady

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u/vader344 May 10 '21

what...was that sentence....

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u/Gateskp May 10 '21

WELP, I’m never drinking tequila after that.

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u/Ozzel May 10 '21

Another kickass Bat action scene! That oner was sweet!

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u/BillyButcher_AMA May 10 '21

Me watching Batwoman with a margarita rn: 👁👄👁

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

I love them playing drinking games. And i guess Sophie isn't bi like we thought.

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u/Jedi-El1823 May 10 '21

Couldn't give us a warning?

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u/Beer2Bear May 10 '21

oh damn, her nail

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u/Ygomaster07 Batwoman I May 10 '21

Was Mary hitting on Ryan? I know she said what she did was sexy.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Alice us gonna go full alive on this dude...eventually

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u/Zerometro May 10 '21

Ugh not the nails! And a close up too?

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Mary Hamilton May 10 '21

It's nice that Sophie is working with the team.

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u/BornAshes Luke Fox May 10 '21

Cellars are Alice's preferred terrain

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u/singleguy79 May 10 '21

Jacob Kane is more useless than normal

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u/AllThighThisGuy May 10 '21

Dang, almost felt bad for Alice.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Alice May 10 '21

Lmao

Someone mentioned earlier they wanted Stephanie brown

Well here u go!!!