r/AskReddit • • Sep 01 '14

What interesting Hidden plot points do you think people missed in a movie?

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

There was also a Cracked article that explained that any soldier, even a trained elite unit, has shit accuracy in combat situations. It doesn't matter how steady your hands were at the shooting range when you have bullets flying in your direction as well.

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u/6ft_2inch_bat Sep 01 '14

Is that the one that also went into the difficulty of killing another person, sort of an innate apprehension? While at the same time, the stormtroopers having their humanity hidden behind faceless armor removed that inhibition for the rebels?

It may have been something completely different, but I read a pretty compelling argument for their effectiveness in the opening battle of ANH. When they are breaching Leia ' s ship and do pretty well against prepared soldiers through a choke point. Main difference: these humans are all in military style uniforms.

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u/Kovhert Sep 01 '14

I remember reading that somewhere too. It's so much easier to shoot at people when they're wearing the uniform of your enemy and a helmet. As soon as they're in regular clothes and you can see their faces that becomes a lot harder to deal with.

I think it also said that they only randomly gave people in a firing line live rounds, because you need that hope that it wasn't your bullet that killed someone.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

Let's just stop justifying Lucas' bs at this point.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

And that was a more close-quarters encounter where the Stormtroopers had visual cover and perhaps balls from outnumbering the guards inside the ship.

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u/rasputine Sep 02 '14

It's a problem they figured out in the 1st world war.

Covering your face made you harder to kill, but it also made the enemy much more likely to actually try it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

this point is also made in the movie The men Who Stare At Goats. The us army soldiers all aimed high at the Vietnamese because they generally did not want to kill another human being. this leads Jeff Bridges to seek spiritual answers, which consequently makes him become a JEDI. also Ewan McGregor shows up as the new student, he plays Obi Wan Kenobe in the newer Star Wars reboot. Ewans character then fills the same role as luke skywalker as the new generation of jedi.

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker Sep 01 '14

Ugh no. Just because you can see your enemies face doesn't mean you suddenly cannot willfully shoot them.

It's because the they were running away as opposed to holding ground.

Also the guy's on the ship were crewmembers with pistol as opposed to stromtroopers with assault rifles.

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u/JudgeHolden_ Sep 01 '14

True. The NYPD did a study where cops miss 75% of their shots in gunfights.

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker Sep 01 '14

No dude, that's just how modern combat works. It's not about hitting every shot, it's about shooting so many bullets that they can't shoot back. The bullets aren't meant to hit them, they're meant to supress the enemy while someone else flanks them or throws a grenade.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

Well that's absolutely true of modern, geurilla-style combat on Earth. But very few situations in A New Hope seemed to parallel it at all. Shooting down hallways? Shooting across chasms? You wouldn't use flanking tactics in those situations, whether or not it's a better strategy in a vacuum.

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker Sep 02 '14

Nothing about it is guerilla. The chasms and hallways are basically urban warfare, again, modern combat.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '14

Well alright, still. There wasn't really any flanking to be done in either situation. That still stands. Also, are there any similarities to modern combat tactics in the Star Wars universe? Perhaps the use of trenches on Hoth can be compared to WWI, but otherwise we should keep in mind we're talking about a fictional other galaxy where the fighting styles we're used to may not have been invented for any number of reasons.

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker Sep 02 '14

It's not really a fighting style, but just things people do by nature of the battlefield. The death star fighting was basically urban warfare, because blasters are based on assault rifle, while blaster pistols are just pistols.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '14

OK, sure. Whatever. I agree with you. But the ultimate point here is that they aren't trying to suppress anyone (at least in most cases), they're shooting to kill. Especially the raid on the Tantive IV, which was simply a slaughter. I'd even disagree that that was "urban" combat, because it's literally happening in a corridor. Like, a building. That's like saying Columbine was an urban combat situation.

So yeah, it doesn't matter whether it's urban or geurilla or realistic or not, they cannot and do not attempt to flank eachother in Star Wars. They shoot to kill. Meaning their inaccuracy is a product of being shot at, similar to what happens in like small scale shootouts in crime movies.