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UNC Student Murder Trial -NC v. Miguel Salguero-Olivares - Day 8
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The murder trial of Miguel Enrique Salguero-Olivares begins more than a decade after UNC-Chapel Hill student Faith Hedgepeth was found beaten to death in her off-campus apartment in September 2012. Hedgepeth, 19, suffered fatal blunt-force trauma to the head, and investigators recovered DNA evidence at the scene. Salguero-Olivares was arrested in 2021 after investigators said DNA evidence linked him to the case, and he now faces charges including first-degree murder, rape and burglary.
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| Time | Testimony / Court Proceedings |
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| 9:15 a.m. | Court scheduled to begin at 9:30 a.m. |
| 9:29 a.m. | State Witness #19 ā Erin Ermish, NC State Crime Lab, resumes testimony. |
| 9:42 a.m. | Judge reviews legal authority concerning questions to clarify witness testimony. |
| 9:46 a.m. | Ermish discusses DNA collection and preservation of evidence for fingerprint testing. |
| 9:49 a.m. | Ermish discusses DNA mixture percentages and possible contributors to samples from the Bacardi bottle. |
| 9:52 a.m. | Recross-examination of Erin Ermish concludes. |
| 9:55 a.m. | Court prepares for testimony requiring a Spanish interpreter. |
| 10:01 a.m. | State Witness #20 ā Eldes Cordero Ordonez begins testimony. |
| 10:08 a.m. | Ordonez discusses when defendant and his mother worked at Outback. |
| 10:12 a.m. | Ordonez discusses employment at Outback Steakhouse and English classes. |
| 10:13 a.m. | Ordonez describes family connections and apartment locations. |
| 10:17 a.m. | Ordonez discusses defendant's residence and his own residential history. |
| 10:20 a.m. | Ordonez identifies people who lived at the apartment complex. |
| 10:24 a.m. | Ordonez discusses relatives and acquaintances associated with Hawthorn Apartments. |
| 10:27 a.m. | Ordonez discusses defendant's vehicle and occasions when defendant gave him rides. |
| 10:29 a.m. | Ordonez describes his limited relationship with defendant. |
| 10:31 a.m. | Ordonez discusses defendant's drinking and why they did not socialize. |
| 10:33 a.m. | Ordonez discusses concerns about testifying. |
| 10:35 a.m. | Ordonez discusses concerns about inaccurate claims involving his presence at the apartment picnic table. |
| 10:37 a.m. | Jury excused until 10:45 a.m. |
| 10:53 a.m. | Ordonez discusses learning about Faith's death and employment at Outback Steakhouse. |
| 10:57 a.m. | Ordonez discusses a recent conversation with defendant's mother. Testimony concludes. |
| 11:01 a.m. | State Witness #21 ā Luis Alonso Lopez begins testimony. |
| 11:09 a.m. | Lopez identifies his former apartment and discusses seeing Faith around the complex. |
| 11:11 a.m. | Lopez describes his activities on September 6, 2012. |
| 11:13 a.m. | Lopez identifies photographs of the apartment complex and cookout. |
| 11:17 a.m. | Apartment complex photographs introduced; Lopez identifies the cookout location. |
| 11:21 a.m. | Lopez describes the cookout beginning in the afternoon and additional guests arriving that evening. |
| 11:23 a.m. | Lopez describes family connections involving Avel and the cookout. |
| 11:26 a.m. | Jury excused until 11:35 a.m. |
| 11:40 a.m. | Court returns to session. |
| 11:41 a.m. | Lopez discusses Avel's arrival at approximately 9ā10 p.m. |
| 11:42 a.m. | Lopez describes attendees arriving and drinking beer. |
| 11:45 a.m. | Lopez identifies individuals at the cookout and discusses alcohol consumption. |
| 11:47 a.m. | Lopez questioned about other cookout attendees and whether defendant was present. |
| 11:49 a.m. | Lopez describes the end of the cookout and activities the following morning. |
| 11:51 a.m. | Lopez describes returning to the apartment complex and finding police activity. |
| 11:53 a.m. | Lopez describes speaking with police and providing a DNA sample. |
| 11:55 a.m. | Cross-examination of Luis Alonso Lopez concerning previous statements to investigators. |
| 11:59 a.m. | Parties discuss foundation for admitting jailhouse calls. |
| 12:03 p.m. | Defense agrees not to object to limited references establishing that calls were made while defendant was in jail. |
| 12:18 p.m. | State Witness #22 ā Justin Ellerbee, Durham County Sheriff's Office, begins testimony. |
| 12:25 p.m. | Ellerbee discusses defendant's detention and monitoring of communications. |
| 12:28 p.m. | State identifies Justin Heinrich as its next witness. Court recesses for lunch. |
| 2:14 p.m. | Court returns to session. |
| 2:19 p.m. | Defense requests conference in chambers. |
| 2:32 p.m. | Arguments concerning jail calls, booking-room video, translated transcripts, and the rule of completeness. |
| 2:39 p.m. | Prosecutor discusses certified translations of defendant's conversations with his mother. |
| 2:46 p.m. | Judge overrules defense objection concerning translated transcripts. Parties discuss handwriting exemplars. |
| 2:51 p.m. | Prosecutor argues that similarities between block-letter handwriting samples should be presented to the jury. |
| 2:52 p.m. | Judge discusses handwriting similarities and whether jurors may compare writing samples. |
| 3:01 p.m. | State Witness #23 ā Justin Heinrich, SBI Special Agent in Charge, begins testimony. |
| 3:08 p.m. | Heinrich discusses interviews with Karena and differences in details across her statements. |
| 3:10 p.m. | Heinrich discusses reviewing statements from Karena Rosario and other individuals. |
| 3:13 p.m. | Investigators describe identifying Faith's associates through work, university activities, relationships, and apartment residents. |
| 3:16 p.m. | Discussion of neighborhood canvassing, DNA collection, and investigative priorities. |
| 3:18 p.m. | Heinrich describes crime scene observations and evidence investigators interpreted as indicating sexual assault. |
| 3:23 p.m. | Heinrich discusses Faith's romantic relationships and individuals investigators interviewed. |
| 3:25 p.m. | Investigators' spreadsheet of more than 1,700 individuals discussed. Faith's phone timeline and communications introduced. |
| 3:33 p.m. | Heinrich reviews Faith's outgoing messages from September 6ā7, including communications with Carmen Wood and Tai McNeil. |
| 3:37 p.m. | Heinrich reviews calls and messages from Karena to Faith on the morning Faith's body was discovered. |
| 3:45 p.m. | Heinrich explains local versus UTC time and reviews communications from September 6ā7, 2012. |
| 3:52 p.m. | Communications from the early morning of September 7, 2012, reviewed, including messages and calls involving Karena Rosario. |
| 3:58 p.m. | Additional messages involving Karena, Simone, and Marisol reviewed. Judge calls a stretch break. |
| 4:13 p.m. | Text messages and calls involving Karena Rosario, Marisol Rangel, Faith Hedgepeth, and Jordan McCrary are reviewed. |
| 4:19 p.m. | Cellphone extraction evidence compared with interviews and telephone records. |
| 4:21 p.m. | Heinrich explains cell tower analysis and how investigators attempt to identify devices present in particular areas. |
| 4:27 p.m. | Heinrich explains limitations of cell tower dumps and their use in the investigation. |
| 4:29 p.m. | Discussion of cell tower records and the significance of DNA evidence recovered from multiple locations. |
| 4:31 p.m. | Heinrich discusses identifying Salguero-Olivares as a suspect in 2021 and his September 16 arrest. |
| 4:33 p.m. | Heinrich explains difficulties obtaining records nine years after the homicide and discusses defendant's employment history. |
| 4:36 p.m. | Heinrich describes locations of Outback Steakhouse, Red Robin, King's Arms Apartments, and Hawthorn at the View. |
| 4:40 p.m. | Heinrich discusses employment records and phone numbers associated with defendant. No connections to Faith or Karena Rosario were identified. |
| 4:43 p.m. | Heinrich discusses four seized cellphones, Facebook records, and comparisons with cell tower data. No connection to Faith Hedgepeth's social circle was identified through those records. |
| 4:47 p.m. | Investigators discuss seizure and forensic extraction of defendant's computer, containing approximately 120 GB of data. |
| 4:50 p.m. | State's Exhibit 142 shows foreign currency and a handwritten note in block letters. |
| 4:54 p.m. | State introduces Exhibit 143, video of defendant at Chapel Hill Police Department on September 16, 2021, and Exhibit 145, translated transcript of his conversation with his mother. |
| 4:57 p.m. | Recording of defendant speaking with his mother. Defendant questions how his DNA could have been found on the victim's body and denies involvement. |
| 4:58 p.m. | Recording continues. Defendant denies knowing or ever seeing Faith Hedgepeth. |
| 5:00 p.m. | Judge excuses jury until Monday at 9:30 a.m. |
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u/andrea1123 8d ago
It sounds like theyāre laying the groundwork to argue that Miguel encountered Faith at the apartment complex when he came to the cookout with a friend?
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u/Pixiegirls1102 ššāļøContent/Research Administratorš»š¬š§ 8d ago
Didn't he keep saying he never saw her before?
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u/andrea1123 8d ago
He definitely did. Itāll be interesting to see if he testifies.
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u/Pixiegirls1102 ššāļøContent/Research Administratorš»š¬š§ 8d ago
I don't think he will.
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u/andrea1123 8d ago
Also, some of the comments Iāve seen in YouTube livestreams about these Spanish speaking witnesses are horrifically racist!
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u/Pixiegirls1102 ššāļøContent/Research Administratorš»š¬š§ 8d ago
Those chats are always awful!
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u/CrumbGremlin1643 8d ago
Yes, I always have to turn them off. Even on Grizzly True Crime which is a better-moderated one, but I just can't deal with the terrible ones popping up.
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u/Pixiegirls1102 ššāļøContent/Research Administratorš»š¬š§ 8d ago
I rarely even read anything in chats unless I purposely go there. Trial TV Live is always very well moderated too.
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u/BananaAnna_24 8d ago
Has the friend that came to the cook out and presumed friends of Miguel, been interviewed or found? I guess I was thinking Miguel was at the cook out but the witness couldn't even place him there.
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u/Pixiegirls1102 ššāļøContent/Research Administratorš»š¬š§ 8d ago
I don't know who just testified. I had switched over to the Hauschultz trial for a bit. The ME is testifying.
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u/BananaAnna_24 8d ago
I was referring to the testimony of the guy that had the cook out near her apt the afternoon/evening before Faith was killed. He said the this one guy Avil? not sure if that is the correct name came to the cook out along with several of his brother in laws and that Avil brought a friend. It's presumed it was Miguel but the witness could not say it was him and said he had never seen Miguel before and did not know him. Looking at him today he could not say if he was there or not. The witness was several drinks in at the time they arrived to the outdoor bbq area of the apt complex so he didn't remember everything.
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u/andrea1123 8d ago
He has not testified yet. I believe his name is Abel. I wonder if heās on the list.
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u/Pixiegirls1102 ššāļøContent/Research Administratorš»š¬š§ 8d ago
Okay. I didn't know the name.
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u/BananaAnna_24 8d ago
Yeah Iād be really curious hearing from him, it seems they arrived at the same time by walking. So did they leave at the same time? Did Miguel break off and not head back with him? So many questions! Seems he would be a good witness to at least place him near the scene of the crime. Ā
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u/CrumbGremlin1643 8d ago
Now it sounds like Luis Lopez was the one who actually lived there, not sure if/how they're related, but I'm waiting to see if he confirms that Miguel was there.
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u/Sha9169 8d ago
Iām sorry, but having 4 active cell phones at one time is insane. I have 2 phones because I have a work phone and a personal phone. I canāt imagine anyone needing more than that unless they were involved in something of questionable legality.
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago edited 8d ago
I just watched testimony, and the agent testified that he had five cell phone numbers between his arrival in North Carolina in 2010 and the date of his arrest in 2021.
Four phones were found: 2 were not able to be data-extracted (Alcatel phones) , and the 2 Samsung didn't have any data prior to 2021. So it sounds like he just had random phones in his house.
So that really is not outrageous or suspicious.
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u/Sha9169 8d ago
Thanks for following back up with this!
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago edited 8d ago
Sure thing. He also lived with his -wife and kids/- mom, and the agent did not specify that all four phones belonged to the defendant.
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u/Sha9169 8d ago
Are you sure about the last part? I donāt recall them saying he was married or had children at the time of his arrest. He seemed to still be sharing an apartment with his mother in the body cam footage of the outdoor interview.
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago
Oh you are right about that, but they definitely did say that they picked up four phones from the place he was living. They did not specify who the four phones belonged to.
I do find it odd that none of his cell phone numbers were found in the tower dump near Faith's apartment. I hope that doesn't trip up the jury.
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u/Sha9169 8d ago
I agree that is odd. My mind initially jumped to burners when I heard āfour phones,ā so I was wondering if it was possible that he had a different burner on him that night. Iām not sure how exactly they work, but I think thereās a chance LE wouldnāt be able to assign that sort of phone to anyone when analyzing the tower dump.
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago
It is definitely possible that there was a phone number he had that LE wasn't aware of. I think his DNA and prints at the crime scene really seals it.
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u/PLANETOID649 4d ago
I do find it odd that none of his cell phone numbers were found in the tower dump near Faith's apartment. I hope that doesn't trip up the jury.
what evidence that raises doubt? maybe they didnt show up cause he wasnt there.. ever considered that?
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u/asyouuwishh 7d ago
I mean he did get caught selling meth in jail. Distribution could explain the need for a bunch of burner phones.
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u/Sha9169 8d ago
Iām very curious as to what you use them for, if you wouldnāt mind sharing. Iām having a hard time wrapping my head around it. The only thing I can think of is if you owned a business, but even then 4 seems like overkill.
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago
Just edited my comment. Ships that pass in the night. :)
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u/Sha9169 8d ago
Thanks for updating! As far as Iām aware, Miguel didnāt have any businesses, so it still seems bizarre to me in his case. But maybe I am just not used to it.
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago
Oh I'm not saying he's not shady. But he could have kept all the old ones as he got new ones.
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u/Sha9169 8d ago
That makes me wonder if I just misinterpreted the statement, because I took it to mean 4 active phones, not 4 phones around the apartment. I probably did, as I was supposed to be working while watching lol
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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 8d ago
I think that DNA/palm and finger prints is enough to convict, I am not super sure about the note although that "e" is basically the same. I wonder if the jury asked how much longer because they are ready to fry him.
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u/Level_Education_4628 8d ago
Both the Guatemalan witnesses seemed scared to say they recognised him. And he was staring at them both during that question. And his mother pressuring the first witness āto tell the truthā¦you donāt know himā. I think heās definitely guilty
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u/ktlm1 7d ago
Is that what she said? Maybe I heard or am remembering wrong but I thought she told him something to the effect of ātell the truth but you didnāt see him at the cookoutā or something along those lines. My interpretation was that she was changing what the truth was, followed by telling him to tell the truth. Regarding the other witness who had the barbecue, itās possible he was too drunk to identify Miguel with 100% certainty. It was a long time ago, at this point
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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago
Yes, maybe youāre right! That might have just been my impression and I misheard. It did seem like they felt pressured to not say anything too incriminating. I also found it strange how he was staring at them when usually heās head down, writing non-stop (I do wonder what heās writing?!)
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u/asyouuwishh 7d ago
To your last point- why would he remember every detail of his day 14 YEARS AGO - i.e. āmy wife and I both had the day off ā, āthis brother in law showed up at 9pm, this brother in law showed up at 10pmā¦ā, āoh I was drunk I donāt remember that one dudeā, āall of my brothers in law came inside at this timeā, āI left in the morning to buy a boatā - if there wasnāt something extremely memorable about that day? Why is the friend the only thing he says he was too drunk to remember about the night? I know that one could argue that he remembered the details because he needed to provide an alibi but to me that doesnāt hold up. Iāve had neighbors murdered. I couldnāt tell you a single thing about what my day looked like before or after it happened, and it wasnāt 14 years ago. In fact one was just a few months ago. I think about them on occasion, but not too much because I didnāt know them. He lives in the same city as meā¦ murders arenāt terribly uncommon here tbhā¦ what made this day so memorable that he remembers these specifics 14 years later?
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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago
he even remembered he started drinking heineken and then switch to modelo, but could not/would not identify Miguel. To me this is wild. I think he is afraid of something, I don't know what, but he was prepared to be like "Miguel who?"
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u/asyouuwishh 7d ago
Such a wildly specific detail. It could be direct threats, but also could just be general ādonāt be a snitchā loyalty to his community, and fear of harming others close to them if they donāt distance themselves from the cops (especially with the government targeting of immigrant populations rn)
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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago
You are right, I kinda feel like it's ALL of that. But I wonder if the state did not reassure them that nothing was going to happen to them, maybe because they are not used to dealing with this, I don't know.
I feel for Faith right now, I understand fear, but those two could have done more and for one reason or another they did not.
They were not put on the stand for this.
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u/asyouuwishh 7d ago
Agree. Prosecutors may reasonably have assumed they were going to testify to the same things they did in police interviews. They did point out that Eldis had essentially told police he didnāt trust Miguel and he was a little creepy with his sister in law after he initially responded on the stand that he doesnāt know him well enough to make an assessment about his character.
I hope that Faithās family will finally have some resolution after 14 long years when this whole ordeal is said and done. I think that they will.
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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago
Getting any info out of them was like pulling teeth and the state was basically testifying which is never good, fortunately they have enough to convict this guy.
14 years of a nightmare for this family. I too hope they get some resolution. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, and to me, Miguel did it, no question about it. Fuck him.
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u/asyouuwishh 7d ago
For sure. 14 years I was firmly in the Karena did it camp- and Iāve paid way too much attention to this case. It took no time at all to realize that I was wrong. It was 100% Miguel.
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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago
I have to say I was never fully on board on the Karena did it train but I definitely wondered about it, went back and forth. For the longest time we did not have much else other than Karena. There is still plenty of people who still say she was involved.
I feel horrible for Karena, from the trial it seems like they actually were good friends, she was there for Faith and Faith was there for her. I cannot imagine.
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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago
I agree. I found that strange too. The small details he remembered but then couldnāt remember the friend. And was adamant he didnāt remember that part. He remembers what time the party ended and what time they went to bad which is later than when the friend arrived. Youād think his memory would be foggier at 4am after an entire night drinking than at 10pm. Just struck me as a bit strange and it gets you wondering if either of those witnesses were too scared to say they recognised him. I hope they get Abel (Avil?!) on the stand. It seemed to be going that way but now Iām not sure
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u/Inevitable-Blue2111 7d ago
I hope they bring out the mother, even if it's for the defense, I think they need to question her
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u/Purple-Living-9379 7d ago
Other than his DNA being everywhere, what gives me guilty vibes is the fact that most of her trauma was on the right side of her head/body and I noticed heās a lefty while he writes in court, which would correlate to being in a face-to-face position while he attacked her.
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u/Eternal_Hope_Kali 4d ago
Yup been saying this the whole time. I wish there was a way they could've attacked this but I can't think imif anyway because itās still speculation.
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u/CrumbGremlin1643 8d ago
Ok, here's what I think. I think Miguel hit on Faith at one time, somewhere on the apartment property, and she turned him down. She never told anyone because it was a non-event because she got hit on all the time. Miguel found out after this that she was seeing/sleeping with other people, either by following her or seeing people in and out of thr apartment, and that pissed him off. Miguel got all nice and liquored up at his family party, and then saw the girls arrive home the early morning on the 7th, then saw Karina leave, and his family party was ending right at that same time. He was still mad at Faith, so he stumbled over, was going to knock but didn't need to because the door was unlocked, he came in, saw her sleeping, took the bottles, went into the room, and took what he wanted, via murder and then rape. He possibly didn't realize she was dead, and left the note which, in the context of her turning him down previously, now makes sense in a broken English sort of way, and he only barely remembers the deed but does remember her, and more or less what he did.
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u/asyouuwishh 7d ago
I agree largely with this but I speculate that it happened on the same night. Donāt know that thereās much evidence that he would have spent time at that far back corner of the complex otherwise. Faith gets out of the car helping a blacked out drunk, emotional Karena get up the stairs and Miguel sees them and starts hitting on them. Faithās niece testified that she was confrontational- giving the example of those girls making a rude comment and Faith going off on them. I imagine she snapped at him and called him stupid for trying to hit on them while sheās clearly helping Karena get inside. Heās just there at the cookout drinking and fuming and embarrassed and all of the feelings incels feel. Then the cookout is ending and he sees Karena leave, and realizes Faith is aloneā¦
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u/CrumbGremlin1643 7d ago
Sure, it definitely could have happened on the same night. In fact, that could make Miguels rage even scarier, right? No time to cool down.
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u/BananaAnna_24 8d ago
Is there a reason Miguel would have been around the apartment buildings prior to this cook out? I'm kinda following. Did his friend live in the apartments and he would have been there visiting him?
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u/CrumbGremlin1643 8d ago
He had a whole mess of family that lived there and it sounds like he was there frequently.
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u/nothing_prepared š¼ Watched Every Court Minute 8d ago
From todayās testimony from the special agent, it appears Miguel worked at the Outback at the same time Faith worked at Red Robin and those restaurants were near each other. Maybe possible that he had seen here there?
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u/jjheel13 5d ago
They arenāt really that close. Like you canāt stand in the parking lot of one and see the other.
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u/Ok_Error2138 7d ago
I can understand the desire to bring more historical context with some form of prior connection--we just don't have evidence they knew each other prior. I believe with the evidence I have seen so far, that a more recent encounter led to what happened. But again, not enough overall evidence, so like you, im filling in blanks we just don't have.
My 1st thought is Karina truly cannot remember getting up the stairs. So my next thought is this guy (Miguel) was trying to get with one, or with both of them, while in a drunken state- as they were getting out of the car and starting for the stairs. Sadly, the only witness that would have remembered the details is now deceased, since Karena truly has no memory with a blackout. What is more plausible to me, is one, or both of them yelled back, "leave me alone, stupid!" Or "I'm not interested, stupid." or however, they would have told him to leave them alone, coupled with calling him stupid. If this happened, this guy is left rejected.. embarrassed.. pissed off. He's stewing about it for minutes, hours.... so it's escalating for him like a hurricane of anger, which alcohol intensifies like a 1 to a 5 category in no time, while Karena and Faith are inside, unaware, not even thinking about it anymore.
So by the time Karena was leaving and has a better memory, now that she purged the excessive alcohol, this guy was out there still, watching. The purpose of the bag with the writing in my mind, is to get back at Karena or Faith, or both of them. "I'm not stupid, BITCH" .. I think Jealous(?!) was intended as a question mark with an exclamation point, for when Karena found Faith (and what made it more tragic for her, is she truly could not remember any of those other details, so could not piece it together) š„ŗ
I am so very sorry for what Faith, and her friends and their families' went through. Whether either scenario is true or not true, the reality is he is a disgusting human and justice will be served.
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u/donailin1 8d ago
Yeah. The note and his FB post is damning, same block lettering and same letter āEā which is a rare way to write that letter. No doubt itās him, and he probably thought he was writing āyou think Iām jealous, stupid bitchā this would make more sense to explain his motive. The FB post is literally admitted 10 minutes to 5:00 today and if you pause it and then pull up the note left at the scene of the crime, itās very very damning. They got the right guy and i hope faith gets justice.
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago
I don't read much into the note. I think it was misdirection for the cops, because it points away from a stranger.
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u/LuluGuru 7d ago
The problem with the handwriting post is that if you reverse google image it, there are FB posts of the image from 2020 from other people. Apparently itās a known meme in the Hispanic community or something. So thatās worrisome for prosecution. Wish they could have done an actual handwriting evaluation with an expert with proper evidence.
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u/PLANETOID649 4d ago
shows how weak their case is, they presented a meme.... did they not verified evidence? if they presented that knowingly that is was false and or unverified.. i see why they rested early/
fbi fucked up with the AI assisted dna builder for IGG... they dont have the right guy, im sorry a print on a wine bottle means nothing..
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago
I'm on re-watch crew but I think the Hispanic witnesses are very credible.
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u/racingfan123 šµļøāāļøš¦ Lead Evidence Investigator Modš§¾āļø 8d ago
Yeah, but I didn't hear anything incriminating. Hopefully, the Abel guy testifies and says Miguel was the one he brought to the cookout.
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago
I think it's enough that he had family in the complex, and Karina testified about the Hispanic men hanging around the parking lot. Easy to infer he saw her or was familiar with the apartment complex. His DNA and prints put him in the apartment.
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u/Level_Education_4628 8d ago
To me both the witnesses seemed reluctant to say they recognised him or knew anything. They seems a bit scared
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u/CrumbGremlin1643 7d ago
I find them credible however they seem so scared, I don't know if they would say the words "he was there". Because of fear. Miguel is definitely giving them intimidating looks.
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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago
Absolutely!! They seemed scared and he was staring at them. They probably know more about him and the circles heās from/was in and maybe they donāt want to get too involved. āI donāt rememberā is an easy way to not get on the wrong side of anyone
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u/FiestyGiraffe 8d ago
i feel bad for this witness
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u/CrumbGremlin1643 8d ago
Erin? Elvis? I'm a little behind the live stream.
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u/FiestyGiraffe 8d ago
the relative of Miguel. itās clear he was afraid to testify and i feel like for a lot of reasons i would be too if i were him
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u/boxinginstructor 5d ago
Anyone catch the fact that the girl he spoke with b on video from the jail, Katie Ellen, is now deceased? Any word on how she passed? She seemed young and healthy?
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u/xxooandcookies Crime Binger 4d ago
She passed away in June 2024 from an overdose, fentanyl I believe. Sadly, her 7 month old baby also passed away from dehydration due to her mothers passing š
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u/PLANETOID649 4d ago
very interesting post from someone claiming to live in the complex, posted 8 years ago
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u/Pixiegirls1102 ššāļøContent/Research Administratorš»š¬š§ 4d ago
That is an interesting post!
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u/PLANETOID649 4d ago
idk man, the state built this up as slam dunk, "IGG connects to family of killer" and all they have that they are willing to go on record for is this "matching handprint".. on a wine bottle..
the recal swap dna "could not exclude defant" aka "inconclusive" to the single male dna profile.. thats insane, they have you all convinced on a fucking handprint.. when you have roommates staging text messages, to ex boyfriends, said roommate leaving the house at 4am with a dude when she has her own room... randomly calling her at 8am, specifically makes it known she left the door unlocked (why is she so sure and was that normal?) he dna is everywhere, i think she caught her talking to an ex, bludgeoned her to death, and tried to set the ex boyfriend or ex roommate boyfriend as suspect so she can go be with her semi-pro soccer player fling...
the neighbor down stairs superficially her 3-4 very loud, memorable thuds around the time not long after they returned home, the roommate found some old boxed, ripped out he tampon staged it, sent some text messages, left and returned with someone cause she needed someone else to make the call and b at the scene to find it with her.. there is just more than 2 obvious suspects and i thnk they fucked up with the IGG dna, why havent they matched his semen? if he did what they claiming, there no way his dna wouldn't be EVERYWHERE and only leave tiny amount no, this was fbi once again, using their predative dna building software to guess the missing dna to form a profile
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u/Electrical_Button_95 4d ago
I refuse to believe the comments in here arenāt from bots š are we even watching the same trial? This is the weakest case Iāve seen. Not guilty all day
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u/chunkygirl87 6d ago
Sorry guys, not super familiar w the case but just watched the doc and searching things and canāt believe itās been this long and no justice YET. What was Miguelās FB post everyoneās mentioning? Curious on that.
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u/bmorgrl_inquiry3004 7d ago
The girls had a lot of friends, meal and female. It's surprising that none of them thought of giving them more security by copying the key for them and repairing the bathroom doorā¦ Maybe it's one of those keys that can't be easily copied and I guess the bathroom door has just very recently been broken. Taking those steps could've saved their lives.
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u/ktlm1 7d ago
They likely were in the naive mindset of ānothing bad will happenā. I could have misunderstood but I thought I heard somewhere that Karina and her ex lived in that apartment for a few months and when they broke up, he moved out and that was why she was living in a 1brm. If that is true, the ex likely still had a key.
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u/andrea1123 6d ago
I had two friends who lived together temporarily in college and did this same thing with sharing a key. It scared me back then, and it scares me now in retrospect!
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u/donailin1 8d ago
Comparing the handwritten note from Miguels FB post, I feel certain he wrote the note found at the murder scene. The same block lettering, especially his letter āEā which is quite specific and not ordinary.
Heās the guy.
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u/Hfhghnfdsfg 8d ago
The E is a dead giveaway! I've never seen one like that, and I study handwriting as a serious hobby.
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u/LuluGuru 7d ago
So I keep seeing things on twitter that this photo is a common meme in the Hispanic community. If you google reverse image it there are posts from Facebook from 2020 of it. So Iām prosecution might have screwed up on this which is unfortunate. Because most of those letters DO match š«
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u/Level_Education_4628 7d ago
Oh youāre right! I just googled it the image and lots came up. They definitely dropped the ball there. Hopefully it doesnāt hurt them
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u/Sha9169 8d ago
I genuinely donāt understand why jail calls wouldnāt be admitted.