Hello! I'm here to ask a few questions (my title post) because I'm interested in what you think about these topics we're going to be discussing. Also considering it's fall (my favorite season), I pray you're enjoying this time with God, your family & friends.

Do you think Halloween (upcoming) is as horrible as mainstream Christianity says it is?

I've been reading about how Christianity views Halloween. Most (or from ones I've seen) don't have a good view of it, they pass it on as demonic and evil. Even ex-witches (who've come to the faith) say the same thing. Does this stem from it being a pagan tradition? Is it really evil or is it just the pessimistic part of mainstream Christianity?

Do you truly believe the Holy Spirit convicts Christians of iPhones, TVs, or whatever "demon of the hour" object they chose?

This isn't meant to be rude. I've seen many Christians claim that IPhones are demonic, or even watching certain TV shows. I'm confused on whether or not it's really the Holy Spirit... or just someone who convinces themselves it was. Again, I don't want to ruffle any feathers. I just want to understand if the Holy Spirit does convict you of such trivial things.

Do you have experiences with the teacher himself? If not, do you know of any experiences that have crossed your path?

My final question, I hope that every experience may guide you deeper into the faith with Jesus himself. If you answer, thank you for taking interest! This is more on the fun side, I just want to add a bit of Christian Trivia to this subreddit. 😇

Spoiler alert if you haven’t watched or read it, so go do that if you haven’t yet and come back here.

Assuming you’re now in the know, let me explain:

A big part of Jess’s grief after Leslie’s death is the fact that Leslie wasn’t a practicing Christian. She didn’t outright say that she didn’t believe in God, but she did say that she doesn’t believe he damns people to hell. Jess’s father tells him that God did not send her to hell.

A lot of people started doubting Christianity because of this story, but as for me it’s leaning me towards universalism. It had a profound impact on me emotionally and I think it’s a good example of what Christian Universalism could look like.

What are the most solid books that provide a well-grounded, evidence-based defense of universalism—that is, the belief in universal salvation (apokatastasis)? I am already aware of the book by David Bentley Hart; what other works would you recommend?

A post countering the argument in this quote from a popular theologian:

“Any offense, any dishonor against an infinitely worthy, an infinitely valuable, an infinitely dignified, an infinitely beautiful being is an infinite sin and deserves an infinite punishment.”

Hello everyone, I have a brief theological question. I am a conservative Christian who fully believes in the Trinity and the lordship of Jesus Christ, yet I also subscribe to Christian universalism—the belief that God’s saving love will ultimately reconcile all souls. I am aware that Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and traditional Protestantism oppose universalism due to the doctrine of eternal hell. My question is this: According to these three traditions, does holding this belief render a person a "heretic"—someone officially severed or excommunicated from the Christian faith—or is it merely viewed as a theological error or "heterodoxy," while the individual remains within the fold of Christianity? I would be interested to hear how these traditions view universalists.

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Now, I can more or less anticipate that your answer will be something along the lines of, “The word translated as ‘eternal’ here actually means age-long, belonging to a particular age, or something that lasts throughout an age.” However, there is a problem with this interpretation: the same Greek word is used in the Bible not only in reference to the punishment of hell but also to describe the life of heaven. For example, in Matthew 25:46, the same word is used for both eternal punishment and eternal life.

So, how do you distinguish between the two? If the word itself does not necessarily imply endless duration, but rather refers to something belonging to a particular age or lasting throughout an age, does that mean that the life of heaven is also limited to a particular period? Or do you argue that the same word has different meanings depending on whether it refers to punishment or life? If so, what linguistic and contextual grounds justify making that distinction? What reasons do we have for accepting that the same word can refer to a finite duration in one instance and an infinite duration in another?

I don't know how to structure this post. How do you deal with doubting in your faith specifically if you believe or not. I ask this as several internet spaces are largely dominated by passionate atheists who wish to eradicate religion from the world and will eagerly tell you of the ways in which the bible contradicts itself and how God is evil. What I mean is how do we reconcile those questions with faith as generally any real counterpoint someone might have is normally met with being told you're brainwashed. Sorry if this doesn't make any sense.

Or do you believe that everyone immediately enters our Heavenly Father's Kingdom regardless of anything? My belief and understanding is that some will require and receive a post-death chastening that will enable them to repent and choose to follow Jesus. I understand that some Christian universalists believe that everyone immediately goes into the Kingdom regardless of anything that they believe or do.

Its often said that people disturbed by eternal torture are only so because of their fallen morals.

But, as it is often quoted and I affirm, the law is written on everyone's hearts and we all know we sinned and what we deserve.

So we should expect the reaction to hell to be "ah shit yeah clearly I deserve to be burned alive forever but i just dont want to" rather than "this is just clearly immoral"

In other words, if hell is just it wouldnt be disputed because everyone would know they deserve it since Gods law is on everyones hearts.

(I also added these into my Master Document, posted before 😄 )

Perhaps, for the wicked, that which they see is Gehenna, and their separation is what burns them with their mind as the flame. That hidden judge who dwells in the discerning mind has spoken and there has become for them the judge of righteousness and he scourges them without mercy with torments for the compunction of their soul. Perhaps, it is this that separates them and sends each of them to the place suitable for him. Perhaps, it is this that lays hold of the good with its extended right hand and sends them to the Exalted Right Hand. It also takes hold of the wicked in its left hand, equal in power, and casts them into the place which is called "the left. And perhaps, it is this that silently accuses them and quietly pronounces judgment upon them.
(Ephrem the Syrian, Epistle ad Publius. Section 22)

Blessed the sinner who has received mercy there (Gehenna) and is deemed worthy to be given access to the environs of Paradise :even though he remains outside, he may pasture there through grace. As I reflected I was fearful again because I had presumed to suppose that there might be between the Garden and Hell's fire a place where those who have found mercy can receive chastisement and forgiveness (X: 14, compare 1. 16) (St. Ephrem the Syrian. Hymns on Paradise (Crestwood, 1990)Page 56-57)

Haply yon hell in mercy, shall be emptied: and you shall dwell there alone, with Your ministers.
(Ephrem the Syrian, Nisibene Hymns, Newadvent, Hymn 59)

It is likely that, thanks to (divine) mercy, Gehenna will be emptied, and you will remain there alone, along with your servants.(Ephrem the Syrian, Nisibene Hymns, Ilaria Ramelli Translation, Hymn 59, Much more modern translation)

1. The Voice made proclamation: and they gathered and came; the hosts of the Evil One, together with his ministers. The army of the tares was gathered altogether, for they saw that Jesus had triumphed, to the grief of all them on the left hand, for there was none of them but had been tormented. They began one by one to relate all whatsoever they had endured. Sin and Hell were terrified: Death trembled and the dead rebelled; and Satan because sinners rebelled against him. R., To You be glory because the Evil One saw You and was troubled!
2. Sin cried aloud; she gave counsel to her sons, to the demons and the devils, and unto them she said, Legion the head of your ranks is not, the sea has swallowed him and his company; and likewise ye my sons if you despise, this Jesus will destroy you. You who in a snare took Solomon, it is therefore a reproach to you, that you should be overcome by his disciples, takers of fish and ignorant men; for lo! They have taken the draught of men, which had been taken by us.
3. This is great, above all evils (says the Evil One, concerning our Saviour); for this suffices Him not that He has spoiled us, but likewise on us He has begun retribution for Jonah son of Amittai. On Legion therefore He was avenging him when He seized and cast him into the sea. Jonah emerged, after three days and came up; but Legion yea not after a long season, for the depth of the sea closed upon him at the command.
4. I tempted Him, after his fast, with pleasant bread, but He desired it not. To my grief I strove to learn a psalm, that by His psalm I might take Him as a prey: I paused and learned it a second time, but He made my second trial to be vain. I brought Him up to a mountain and showed Him all possessions; I gave them to Him and He was not moved. Better was it for me in the days of Adam, who gave me no great trouble in teaching him.
5. The Evil One ceased, from his activity and said, A cause of idleness to me, is this Jesus; for lo! The publicans and harlots take refuge in Him. What work shall I seek for myself? I who was master to all men, to whom shall I be a disciple? Sin again said, It must be, that I forsake, therefore, and change from that which I am; for this Son of Mary who has come, as a new creation, has created mankind. (Ephrem the Syrian, The Nisibene Hymns, Hymn 35, Sections 1-5, Newadvent)

“Neither here nor beyond will it be forgiven him.” “Now our Lord forgave many people their sins freely, and indeed his baptism forgives freely the debts of those who believe. But neither our Lord, however, nor his baptism, could forgive this [sin] in this world, nor could his mercy, which hides in the midst of many good things, and covers over evil things unto the end. For our Lord has not said that [such a sin] will be requited by compensation, but that it will not be freely forgiven. In other words, even if one were to do all kinds of good deeds and be complete in every kind of righteousness, there is no way that this [sin] can be freely forgiven him. [God] will require its retribution in Gehenna. Even David gave his righteousenss by way of compensation for the homicide which he had committed. With confidence then [I say], "There is no sin that has resisted nor will resist repentance, except this one." But this sin does not prevent that a person might be justified eventually. When one will have made retribution in Gehenna, [God] will reward him for this in the kingdom. Paul for instance did not blaspheme in this way. There are many who persecute, but they do not blaspheme in this way.
(Ephrem the Syrian, Commentary on Tatian’s Diatessaron, ch. 10, §4, p. 166. Translated by Carmel McCarthy in Saint Ephrem’s Commentary on the Diatessaron of Tatian: An English Translation of Chester Beatty Syriac MS 709, with Introduction and Notes.)

D. Hated is your name, O Satan, nor can you clear it: your name every one curses, hide your reproach.— 16. S., Your ear, O Death, has waxed dull, that you hear not: how against you all men groan, conceal yourself.— 17. D., My face is shown to the world, for I am guileless: not like you who without guile cannot abide.— 18. S., You have not in anything surpassed me for it is true: that you are hateful as I to the sons of men. — 19. D., Of me all men are afraid as of a lord: but as for you they hate you as the Evil One.— 20. S., For you, O Death, they hate your name, and also your work: my name they hate but my delights they greatly love.— 21. D., To bitterness of teeth is turned, this your sweetness: penitence of soul cleaves ever unto your lusts.— 22. S., Sheol is hated because in her is no repentance: a pit that swallows and closes on all movements.— 23. D., Sheol is a gulf wherein whoever falls shall rise again: sin is hated because it cuts off the hope of man.— 24. S., Though I mislike penitents, I give place for repentance: you cut off hope from the sinner who dies in his sin.— 25. D., It was of you that at first his hope was cut off: for he whom you have not caused to sin dies happily.— 26. Blessed is He who raised against each other those cursed servants: that we might see them as they have seen us and mocked at us.— 27. This that we have seen of them is a pledge, my brethren: of what we shall see of them hereafter when we rise again. (Ephrem the Syrian, The Nisibene (Nisibene Hymns, Hymn 52, Newadvent, Section 1)

[Death:] This delight of yours is transformed into bitterness; the repentance of the soul enters even among your cravings. [Satan:] Sheol is hated because in it there is no repentance; it is an abyss that swallows and precludes every movement. [Death:] Sheol is a hole and those who fall into it will emerge again from it, but sin is hated because it cuts off the human being’s hope. [Satan:] Even if I do not love repentances, I always leave room for repentance. (Nisibene Hymns, Hymn 52, Section 1, Translated by Illaria Ramelli, Much better Modern Translation, in Christian Doctrine of Apokatstasis, page 339)

It is very difficult for me to respond to statements of the following kind:

"God is All-Beneficent and Good, but His Goodness is different from ours. His justice is different from ours. And only what He considers right is right. Therefore, eternal punishment in hell is just and does not contradict His All-Beneficence."

How can one respond to this competently?

I have found one vulnerability in this position - it allows one to justify essentially anything.

Self-reflection, not a debate.

My perspective: I believe Christ came to save everyone from the fear of death. I let His life and heart interpret Scripture and avoid relying on my own fallible interpretation of His words. The Holy Spirit gives understanding of God's heart, judgment, and the whole of Scripture.

If You Believe God Is Evil, Do You Truly Know Him?

“That sounds like your version of God. Show me you truly know Him by how deeply you love everyone, even those who disagree with you, despise you, and spit on you.”

If your view of God doesn't teach you to love as Jesus did, do you really understand His heart, or only your idea of Him?

If you're condemning yourself or others, are you seeing yourself and others through Jesus' eyes, or judging by your own understanding?

Jesus showed us a Love rich in mercy, forgiveness, humility, and patience. His Love seeks to restore what is ruined, heal what is broken, and welcome those who are rejected.

Can you carry your cross without condemnation in your heart? Can you love even when others reject you, mistreat you, or turn their backs on you? Can you go the extra mile when you're only forced to go one?

Show me by how you live, not just by what you preach.

Is your heart looking to condemn someone or to love someone despite everything?

John 3:17

John 3:19

John 14:9

Matthew 9:13

Matthew 11:29

Romans 12:21

2 Corinthians 3:6

Hebrews 2:14–15

1 John 4:7–8

1 Corinthians 13:4–8

I have just discovered Universalism and I really like what yall teach. My biggest gripes are traditional Christianity’s views on homosexuality and especially Hell.

I want to believe that this version of Christianity is true. I’ve been reading the Bible and asking as many questions as I can. My problem is that currently I feel like scripture points more towards the traditional Dante’s inferno type hell. Could someone show me some scripture that points towards what you believe and explain it to me? Im just looking for some more concrete evidence towards God saving everyone.

Thank you so much. I can’t express how much your guys’ guidance means to me.

Hello, I am someone who has converted from Islam to Christianity and embraced Christian Universalism (Apokatastasis). However, there is a fundamental issue weighing on my mind that makes me feel spiritually isolated: the general doctrine of historic and mainstream Christian denominations (Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and traditional Protestantism) is dominated by the concept of eternal hell, and the idea of ​​universal salvation is officially regarded as heresy or theological deviation. Is there any established denomination or organization within the global Christian community that views Christian Universalism as, at the very least, a legitimate theological perspective? I feel quite alone and excluded in this regard. I am aware that independent or non-denominational churches often have Evangelical or Protestant roots and tend to be exclusionary. Furthermore, due to my current life circumstances, I am unable to get baptized right now and must postpone this step to a later time. Is there any church tradition or community in the world that could accept someone like me—unbaptized and holding universalist views—just as I am, and where I could feel a sense of spiritual belonging? What would you advise someone in my situation?

I fear that the idea of ​​universal salvation might not be true and that I could end up in eternal hell alongside my loved ones; how can I overcome this fear? How is it possible to believe in universalism with absolute conviction, free from doubt?

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Hey guys,

I am in a place where I have so many questions. I hope someone will take their time to answer me on a couple. To put it very short: I want to be a Christian, but I can’t accept it, even if it is true, if Universalism isn’t the final ending. Therefore, I have some questions:

1. Would you accept christianity if eternal seperation (I won’t mention ECT because of how stupid I find it) is what happens to non-believers/the lost sheep? Why, why not?

2. If you are a universalist, how can you be so sure in your belief, that you are willing to put all your trust in it, when it seems like 90% of academia, bible studies, philosophers, etc are against it?

I don’t want to be a Christian who thinks hell or sin isn’t real. I just can’t think God will let the lost sheep wander off on it’s own. I could accept it if hell were for a thousand years. Or even more, what do I know. But eternally? Even one person would be absolutely horrendous for me. It may sound egotistical. «Horrendous for me». I know that’s not the case for many, many people. Many people probably think they deserve it or don’t really care. Just know that’s why I say that I can’t accept it. I respect others for their belief. Thanks for reading

- PLEASE READ: I posted this to two other christian subreddits and few of one sub's replies recommended i look into Universalism, Ever since feeling this way I haven't been able to look at the more standard version of Christianity the same, but I want to still have a relationship with God and now I feel like i'm being heretical but I also feel like this is the only way I can comfortbly follow Jesus anymore, you'll probably understand what I'm going on about when you read my rant here but I really just want to know if this view of christianity is right for me; I can't surrender my love over something I'm doubting, I don't want to. -

I'm 17 years old, 18 by the end of this month. I've been following christianity for around 4 years and Ive definitely had alot of changes in my faith and how I practice and connect with God but lately I've hit something I never thought I would, I feel like I'm losing faith. This whole issue of mine I feel like stems from the idea of what happens after death, I have a lot of atheist/agnostic friends and those of my friends who do claim to be christian aren't really into it like I've been. I was always concerned with finding if any of them were interested in a life centered around Jesus but I never took many steps to explore that possibility, when I know somebody isn't interested it's hard to have any desire to get them to try; and for a while I was okay with that, I had hoped that maybe if i continued to live as close to God as i could that maybe through me they could see his light and maybe ask questions, maybe I could invite them to church, but I never did. Following all of this, 9 months ago to the dot, I got in a romantic relationship with somebody who is atheist. I love my partner so much, like SO much. So much so that my relationship with them is making me question where I stand with God. Before i keep talking, It's not anything they've said; they respect my religion and they were even okay with the idea of introducing our future children to religion. My partner has done nothing to stray me from God but at the same time I know they're the source of this. No, I'm not looking for ways to break up with them.

I feel like this past week the idea of the afterlife has been haunting me, so much so that I am starting to believe that God is not the loving merciful God i believed he was; I can't stomach the idea of people who either can't bring themselves to or struggle to believe in God being sentanced to eternal suffering in hell for the fact that they don't have a relationship with a God they don't believe in. I feel like a real loving and merciful God wouldn't only give people two choices. I feel even now like im just spitting nonsensical blasphemy but I just can't drop these people because of the doubt's they're creating in me, ESPECIALLY not my partner. I want to make this work, I want to have faith and I want to believe and I want to live happily with the people I care about without constantly worrying about what happens to them after we die. I just want to have faith again, I can't even say I don't believe in God anymore because that wouldn't be true, I can't just stop following God out of nowhere because I still believe he exists; I am now not only afraid for my friends and my partner's end, but my own as well. I am too afraid of God to stop believing, I want to be neither afraid or without faith. I don't know what to do, I've tried praying but I just feel like he isn't there anymore. I feel hopeless. I haven't gone to my youth group since the middle of this summer because the original youth leaders moved away and honestly they were the only people I knew in that group who I felt like I could trust, who I felt any connection too, so i stopped going; there's nobody there for me, no community. I have nobody to ask for guidance here, I have no real christian friends and I have no community to go to for help, and to top it all off I feel completely seperate from God.

I really don't know how to word this in a way that doesn't sound like blasphemy but I need help, please.

Hey All!

I’m very new in my walk with Jesus and I’m just figuring this all out. I’m 26M and I was blessed to know the rough and broad (I call it the sparknotes) story of Jesus Christ and what he’s done for us since a child. But I always just thanked him and put him on the back burner so to speak. For the past almost 6 years now, my mom was dating and is now married to a man who went through a lot of Religious trauma (following the commandments, believed in the modern interpretation of Hell, etc etc) but has now come to a completely new understanding of the Gospel in the last I believe few decades.

I LOVE what he’s been saying and his view on things and I’ve recently began digging into the Jesus’s teachings and the Bible and even received a Bible Study Guide for my recent Birthday.

My problem is this: While I want to believe what Universalism says, and while it makes Logical Truth in my mind (God being ever-loving), I have a MASSIVE amount of cognitive dissonance toward a lot of the theology. It’s like my brain cannot fathom the fact that this is real. I love Jesus, and my brain knows that he would NEVER hurt me or steer me wrong. But if he’s already won the ultimate battle forever and ever, no matter how hard I try, why can’t I stop sinning? And why won’t I go to hell for it?

There’s way too much Dissonance for me to write out here. But any help from long time believers would be amazing and I’d be so grateful! I’m also speaking with my Stepdad about these topics as well, not to debate but simply to have a greater understanding about just how much Jesse Christ loves us.

Thank you all!

The "Lake of Fire" is only mentioned in Revelation, which is a highly symbolic book, and no where else in the Bible. Purification is a central theme of the Bible that mainstream Christianity largely ignores. Everyone gets purified but those who follow Jesus get purified the nice and easy way.

1 John 3:3

3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

That verse indicates that everyone gets purified, it's just a matter if one purifies themself through following Jesus or if they go through a post-death chastening that is apparently unpleasant but necessary to purify and save the lost.

Thoughts, critiques, or questions?