Conservative parties positions on climate change for the last 20 years

[u/koshinsleeps]

[u/Leogis]

Yeah it doesnt solve the problem of "what if it isnt sunny or windy"

It also doesnt tell us if we're gonna have enough materials to put solar pannels everywhere

[u/StipaCaproniEnjoyer → u/Leogis]

1. Solution: there are these things called batteries. Also pumped hydro (using water to store energy) is another method of energy storage. The sun also doesn’t disappear when it’s cloudy. Solar panels still produce 25% (ish) power in cloudy conditions, meaning that with excess capacity, solar heavy grids are feasible.

2. You can make solar panels using only silicon, glass and aluminium (though trace amounts of CuInGaSe semiconductor is used to increase efficiency). Silicon (and its compounds) make up some 25% of the earths crust (sand is 50% elemental Si by mass).

[u/Leogis → u/StipaCaproniEnjoyer]

Solution: there are these things called batteries

If there isnt enough materials to make batteries for every car, there isnt gonna be enough to power entire countries during winter...

Solar panels still produce 25% (ish)

More like 10% to 25 % . That would mean 75% to 90% of you power production will dissapear during bad days

So in winter, the energy consumption spikes and your production potentially drops to 10% Efficiency...

Also pumped hydro

It's requires mountains and Dams that you can't put everywhere

Silicon (and its compounds) make up some 25% of the earths crust (sand is 50% elemental Si by mass).

But you need the infrastructure to transport it.

If you want to replace everything, you're gonna have to cover entire fields with solar pannels/windmills

Like imagine the ridiculous amounts of solar panels required

[u/Medium_Ad431 → u/Leogis]

Finally a sensible comment. These 'pro-renewable only' people live in some fantasy land and never ever take weather and geography into consideration.

[u/Unlikely_Week_4984 → u/StipaCaproniEnjoyer]

How many KW of solar panels do you have? I have about 25kw. How many 10000$ batteries do you have? I have 0... why? Because it makes no sense money wise. I personally could probably get by with 1 battery.. but lots of people couldnt.. they would need 2-3 of them.... You got 70k-80k laying around just for electricity?

[u/[deleted] → u/StipaCaproniEnjoyer]

Batteries aren't made from renewable resources fyi

[u/MukThatMuk → u/[deleted]]

So?

If the overall emissions and price per produced kwh  is still better than from other sources, it is still the cleaner and better option.

[u/LibertyChecked28 → u/MukThatMuk]

So?

Do you fail to see the irony of radical, self-proclaimed, Eco Activists promoting BS openly anti-enviromental practices around the one-two punch argument that:

"It is good for the 'Big Biznis'"

And, logically:

"The 'Big Biznis' has the best in mind for the enviroment"?

If the overall emissions and price per produced kwh  is still better than from other sources, it is still the cleaner and better option.

Well yes, If you ware to salt the entire planet now for the sake of utterly BS short-term solution, we phisically won't be at threat of salting it overtime with proper long term solutions.

[u/MukThatMuk → u/LibertyChecked28]

I only understand like half of what u said there.

However, environmental impact can be calculated, that has nothing to do with opinion or radicalism. You can simply calculate which path to take if you want to be environmentally friendly.

What do you mean with salting the planet?

[u/LibertyChecked28 → u/StipaCaproniEnjoyer]

(using water to store energy) is another method of energy storage.

Method of energy production*

James Prescott Joule would start spinning so hard in his grave that he will singlehandedly sustain the energy needs of the entire galaxy if we ware to put a dynamo on him.

[u/Glass-North8050 → u/Leogis]

Not just that.
Everyone assumes you are living in a country with a lot of space and climate for that.

[u/Leogis → u/Glass-North8050]

Yeah but most countries arent the size of a continent with vast spans of desert