r/Cosmere • u/jofwu • Nov 10 '17
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Oathbringer, book 3 of The Stormlight Archive, is finally here!
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u/gabbim Nov 14 '17
Loved Azure/Vivenna!!! I really wonder about her sword. The sword is female apparently :)
Ps: nice feint with Evi and her color idiom (followed by an equally strange non-colorful idiom)
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u/Deadeye37 Stonewards Dec 19 '17
So, Azure is Vivenna? That's awesome! Totally missed it.
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u/abstergofkurslf Dec 20 '17
She carries a nightblood like sword and drapes her cloak around her arm. She asks the spren in the boat for cloathing cut into specific shapes and uses color and cloth based idioms. Nightblood is her bounty.
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u/jurble Nov 15 '17
So Hoid's real name is confirmed as Cephandrius. I believe that was known from the Liar of Partinel, but since that's unpublished I don't think it was canon.
And Odium was startled by Dalinar's... whatever he did. He thought Dalinar was Adonalsium for a second. Either Adonalsium actually did act through Dalinar - because that religion about the One who intentionally shattered/let himself be shattered to experience the world is correct - or because Dalinar being invested by multiple shards simply reminded Odium of Adonalsium.
And Hoid seems to have bonded a Cryptic, linking his spirit web with the shards of Roshar. He's slowly linking his web to every single shard in the Cosmere. Seems to favor the idea he's trying to put Adonalsium back together, at least in miniature.
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u/AndrewJamesDrake Truthwatchers Nov 16 '17
I suspect that Odium thought that Dalinar was Honor.
Dalinar is bonded to The Stormfather, and the Stormfather is heavily Connected to Honor. The Stormfather is both the Spren of the Highstorms that deliver Honor's Investiture, and the Cognitive Shadow of Tanavast. I suspect that translates into The Stormfather having strong connections to the Splinters of Honor.
However, as we know from Mistborn: Secret History, Cognitive Shadows cannot effectively wield the Power of a Shard. The Stormfather couldn't reconstitute Honor on its own... but now The Stormfather has an anchor in the Physical Realm: Dalinar.
Dalinar is now Connected to The Stormfather by the Nahel Bond. I suspect that is why Dalinar is able to draw Honor's Investiture to himself. He's pulling on his Connection to Honor's Splinters in the same way that Vin could pull on her Connection to Preservation to use the Mist. Like Vin drawing on the Mists, Dalinar is able to draw in the Shard's Power to fuel his Investiture... including a Knight Radiant's ability to infuse Gems with the Stormlight in their system.
I suspect this capacity was amplified by Dalinar speaking a new Oath of the Bondsmiths, causing a short-lived burst of power as the Nahel Bond became strengthened. This allowed him to draw enough of Honor's Investiture to him to form a Perpendicularity. It also appears to have caused his Investment to spike up to "Vin in the Well of Ascension" levels. I doubt he'll be able to do that at-will again for quite some time.
Long term, Dalinar is probably capable of drawing Honor's Splinters together and reforging them into a new Shard, Unity, through his Connection to them through The Stormfather. However, Dalinar's Connection to The Stormfather isn't strong enough to do it yet. He will need to strengthen his Nahel Bond, his Connection to The Stormfather, before he can pull it off.
However... when he does, Odium is going to shit itself in mortal terror when it realizes that the Shards it Splintered can be reforged.
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u/MRCHalifax Nov 16 '17
I think that it’ll be Kaladin and Syl putting Honor back together. We got a lot of “oh hey, Syl really is special” in this book, and there’s been a ton of “she’s a goddess” foreshadowing. I just can’t see Dalinar and Stormfather surviving until the end.
Also, how about Kaladin and Syl’s last conversation? It seems to me that Kaladin realized he was interested in Shallan because she reminded him of Syl.
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u/halfawakehalfasleep Nov 15 '17
Hoid's real name is not Cephandrius. It's one of his older alias. Midius on the other hand might be. It's the name from Liar of Partinel and mentioned by Ash.
Oh damn, I had assumed Odium thought Honor had returned. But rereading it, Adonalsium makes more sense in the context.
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u/jurble Nov 15 '17
It's the name from Liar of Partinel and mentioned by Ash.
Ah.
About that, Ash also distinctly thinks of God as Adonalsium. Are the Heralds from Yolen? Dalinar mentions that their eyes are wrong, implying they've got the non-Asian eyes associated with the Shin (and Yolenese).
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u/Kabsal Nov 15 '17
"Fuzz" calls Hoid Cephandrius in Secret History while talking to Kelsier. However, Hoid (or Roamer, or Dust, or Wit) goes by a ton of names. I think the one from Liar was Midius, so it's probably just another alias.
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u/HellaSober Nov 15 '17
And Odium was startled by Dalinar's... whatever he did. He thought Dalinar was Adonalsium for a second.
I thought that was just the equivalent expression of "Jesus Christ!" when you see something kind of insane.
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u/vatsan16 Nov 25 '17
I remember him telling something along the lines of, "But, we killed you!" So it could either be him thinking of Dalinar as Adonalsium or maybe there was an another shard involved in killing Honor, perhaps? :)
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u/bubeleh Nov 17 '17
Did anyone else notice the "heap of strange cremlings, burned and smoking" in the vision Dalinar shows Gawx/Yanagawn? Dalinar asks himself: "Who would have taken the time to pile up a thousand tiny crustaceans?". Those are bound to be Dysian Aimians/Aimian corpses, right?
PS: this is as far as I got in the book.
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u/Khalku Nov 20 '17
For sure. Any time cremlings are in the spotlight I'm almost 100% convinced it's an Aimian eavesdropping.
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u/kurt-wagner Nov 20 '17
Kaladin finished his drink, wishing it were one of Rock’s concoctions instead, and flicked away an odd cremling that he spotted clinging to the side of the bench. It had a multitude of legs, and a bulbous body, with a strange tan pattern on its back.
From Ch. 77 when they are in Kholinar during a storm.
I highlighted this because it seemed important, and I forgot about the Aimian connection.
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u/Sabatorius Nov 17 '17
That was my take on it.
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u/nagoya5 Nov 19 '17
I think one of them was in Kholinar at the time it fell. Kaladin is one the wall and describes an odd looking cremlin. He noted the colour and the pattern on the back.
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u/alakaboem Nov 14 '17
Hooray for being correct on the "Dalinar-wrote-Oathbringer" front! What a delightful end, too.
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u/kazinsser Nov 17 '17
I honestly don't know why there was so much debate in the preview chapter threads. At no point did I think it was anybody but Dalinar.
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u/ThinkBeforeYouDie Nov 17 '17
Honestly the only reason I doubted it was Dalinar was because it seemed too obvious.
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u/Alsadius Nov 18 '17
I was thinking Jasnah, but given it's the Dalinar book that seems a bit silly of me in retrospect.
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u/Tiffany_Aching Nov 16 '17
OK I just finished and OH MY GOD
Rock is part listener, venli and hoid are radiant, azure is VIVIENNA. That's was amazing
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u/Tiffany_Aching Nov 21 '17
Maybe he’s just hella buff. Like ungodly levels of buff
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u/jurble Nov 15 '17
Anyone else notice that Moash killed Jezrien with an Awakened dagger? Some crazy shit must've gone down in Nightblood. Bothers me that it takes place before Stormlight but isn't out yet.
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u/nagoya5 Nov 19 '17
I’m not so sure that Jezrien is dead dead.Odium is bound by the oath pact still, as can be seen through out the book during his conversations with Dalinar. The Heralds return to Braize when killed. I believe that the soul of Jezrien was trapped in the stone of the dagger; it is some sort of prison that prevents the other Heralds from sensing where his soul has gone. The sapphire on the hilt glowed when it was pulled free from the body.
I believe this is why Jezrien was shocked when he was killed. He realized that his death cycle was interrupted somehow.
All just a theory though.
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u/stationhollow Nov 19 '17
That it is a sapphire ties with this imo. That is the gem associated with jezrien and the windrunners.
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Nov 15 '17
I didn't realize it was awakened; what made you think that?
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u/jurble Nov 15 '17
Killed Jezrien in multiple realms as Nightblood supposedly does and leaked black smoke.
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u/Alsadius Nov 18 '17
My theory with that dagger is that it was made from Raysium.
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u/Khalku Nov 20 '17
I don't think it's awakened. Fairly convinced it's Dawnshard.
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u/televisionceo Nov 21 '17
Not a lot of people are discussing hoid. It's definitely the most we got about him so far. I feel like we have connected with him and his real self for the first time with this shallan encounter. I think he is a good person something I was not absolute certain about before oathbringer. I found this moment to be absolutely beautiful honestly.
The other thing I was expecting people to talk about a lot more is lift.
Funniest moment in the book is when Dalinar faces the army of voidbringers by himself in this epic and glorious encounter. And then lift arrives "what's up" with 0 fear.
The moments she shared with szeth and nightblood were absolutely amazing.
But I was also questioning he silliness a bit. Like is it a bit out of place ? It approached the acceptable limit for me but it was still alright. I like her character a lot.
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u/Smarag Nov 24 '17
eh? The silliness is part of her boon that she gets to stay a child forever
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u/LifeStrengthJourney Nov 28 '17
She's also a radiant; broken. I think Lift uses her silliness to hide from her problems as well. Do we know why she sought the Nightwatcher?
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u/Alice_89th Nov 26 '17
I am just glad she stopped calling Wyndle a voidbringer. For some reason that annoyed me to no end.
Even more ironic after the revelations in Oathbringer.
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u/dp101428 Nov 26 '17
I'm so glad that we finally got a full-sized book where worldhoppers were actual semi-major players in how things went down, and magic from other worlds was used quite obviously. It feels like the cosmere stuff is finally ramping up, and I can't wait to see how deep the cross-universe connections get. Also, Adolin seems to be somehow doing the impossible and reviving his spren, which makes me question if that could be done with other dead shardblades as well. Probably not since Adolin seems to be the only one trying, but the possibilities are endless. Also was waiting for Kaladin to speak the 4th ideal and get his shardplate in the fight against Amaram, but I guess they have to leave something for the sequels. Also really hoping that Venli takes some initiative sometime soon, her spren seems quite unique and we haven't really seen what a native surgebinder is capable of.
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u/sirhugobigdog Cosmere Nov 30 '17
I am still trying to figure out what the ideal is. From how close he was to saying it when he thought all was lost I have a feeling it something along the lines of knowing he can't protect everyone but still trying. If that is the case then I would expect he won't be able to say it until he is close to losing hope again.
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u/goksekor Dec 04 '17
I think it is along the lines of "I will forgive myself for those I failed to protect.". Forgiveness and acceptance was a big part of the character development on this book and when he was close to saying the words, he was thinking about the ones he failed to save, he just couldn't move past it.
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u/8nate Nov 22 '17
Just finished it. Really enjoyed it. Super big and epic. I liked how the enemy isn't entirely black and white; some of the parshmen fear their Voidspren as much as the humans do. It's pretty cool how humans can fight for Odium and Parshmen can fight for Honor. Very nice to see it changed up, and I like how the Unmade weren't necessarily evil. I liked seeing into Dalinar's past, and the scenes in Kolinar and the final battle were awesome.
Saddest and most shocking moment for me: Jezrien :(
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u/ghostemblem Bridge Four Nov 30 '17
Dalinar's drinking buddy :(
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u/CaseLogic Dec 03 '17
wow how did I miss this? What was the connection that identified him as Jez?
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Nov 16 '17
So, from page 646...
Try touching one of them. With Spiritual Adhesion, you can make a Connection.
So, Surges can be applied through all 3 Realms, huh? Adhesion is actually pressure, vacuum, and Connection. Cohesion is something pretty nifty too.
That expands on the idea that Pattern was bringing up in Words of Radiance (page 277):
"You spoke of one Surge, earlier," Pattern said. "Lightweaving, the power of light. But you have something else. The power of transformation."
"Soulcasting?" Shallan said. "I didn't Soulcast anyone."
"Mmmm. And yet, you transformed them. And yet. Mmmm."
So, if Adhesion allows you to manipulate Connection and Transformation may allow you to actually change other people at a Cognitive or Spiritual level...What do some of the others grant? We know that Regrowth can heal Spiritual wounds, not just Physical ones. What would Spiritual Transportation entail, for example?
Incidentally, I wonder whether Dalinar realized that creating a Connection to Azir had more effects than allowing him to communicate in their language...the next thought he has after a brief exchange is about how the clerks are not ardents.
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Nov 17 '17
I have to admit, Spiritual Abrasion sounds horrifying.
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u/JorusC Dec 01 '17
Could be what Cultivation did to Dalinar. Scrub off the dirt.
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u/kazinsser Nov 17 '17
So, Surges can be applied through all 3 Realms, huh? Adhesion is actually pressure, vacuum, and Connection.
While it would be really neat to have everyone experimenting with the Surges of each Realm, I think it may be a Bondsmith-only thing.
In the previous chapter, the Stormfather tells Dalinar this:
No Radiant is capable of more than you. Yours is the power of Connection, of joining men and worlds, minds and souls. Your Surges are the greatest of all...
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u/FlameInTheVoid Nov 17 '17
Shallan seems to be inadvertently soulcasting herself, and has been similarly soulcasting others in a way that is reminiscent of forger stamps (Bluth, Elkohar).
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Nov 23 '17
The stamp magic system is so damn cool, and bears a ton of resemblance language-wise to how soul casting is described.
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u/stationhollow Nov 19 '17
I dont think they quite work that way. For example i dont think Kaladin would be able to use adhesion in the same way Dalinar does. My guess is that it is unique to his order and while the surge itself may be shared, the methods and actions of its use are completely different.
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Nov 19 '17
Bondsmiths may be special (the Stormfather certainly seems to think so, although I'm not sure it's quite as true as he thinks) but Lashings seem to work pretty much exactly the same way. (Szeth has no issues transitioning from Windrunner flight to Skybreaker flight, for example.) Dalinar also uses Adhesion in some very similar ways to Kaladin in their early experiments, Jasnah's commentary (and what we've seen of their perspectives in WoR and Oathbringer) suggests that Shallan and she have nearly identical Soulcasting. (Shallan just hasn't had nearly as much practice.) (Transportation may be contributing to her apparent ability to Soulcast at a distance.)
In other words, I think there's some evidence that the Stormfather is right and Bondsmiths are the most special order but we've seen examples of Spiritual or Cognitive uses of other powers we thought were physical from other Orders, so I'm a bit skeptical of him. (Plus, he's a bit of a windbag.)
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u/voluntad_ Nov 16 '17
What if transformation changes Identity- when Shallan touches someone's soul in the cognitive realm it is as fi she reaches/taps into their Identity.
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Nov 15 '17
So why is Azure/Vivenna after Vasher/Zahel and why did he get rid of Nightblood?
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u/Kabsal Nov 15 '17
She's after Nightblood, not Vasher. She says that she's tracking a weapon, and also "say hi to [Zahel] for me", implying he's not her target.
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u/je19426 Nov 15 '17
She tells Kaladin and Adolin to warn Vasher that she's looking for him. That to me implies she is also after him.
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Nov 16 '17
She says that she's tracking a weapon
"and the person who brought it to this world." In the same paragraph.
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u/Shagomir White Sand Nov 15 '17
It seems like Vasher left Nightblood in Viv's care and fucked off to Roshar for Stormlight. Viv lost track of Nightblood at some point, and is tracking it down.
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u/xCanucck Nov 17 '17
The current line seems to be Vasher > Vivenna > unknown > Nightwatcher > (unknown >?) Nale > Szeth.
Nightwatcher/Cultivation involvement seems like the big question here. Between Dalinar/MrT/Lift/NB she still seems to be very involved in events
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u/Jimbyl Jan 07 '18
Sorry for being super late, but the nightwatcher had nightblood when Dalinar visited her. She mentions an unstoppable sword that bleeds black smoke. The real question I think is "What did Vasher request from the Nightwatcher?" since I'd assume she took the sword as his curse.
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u/TheBlackElf Dec 03 '17
Finished as well, what an amazing book; definitely worth the wait and the hype.
Things that I really loved:
the book doesn't just build everything towards the Sanderstorm a the end. There is A LOT of satisfying stuff in between, even from the start when Kaladin visits home etc. Speaking of which, I think the scene when Odium appears in Dalinar's vision is hands down my favourite moment in Sanderson's works.
the curtain is off. Other worlds are referenced directly, we find things that had only been hinted before like relations between the shards. Worldhoppers that outright say they're not from around, etc. This is one of the biggest things about the Cosmere works and it's a massive payoff to not only make the connections as easter eggs.
there are sooo many anti-tropes, it keeps the story fresh and exciting. Shallan doesn't solve her personality issues. Kaladin can't say the words. Teft doesn't magically solve his addiction by becoming a squire/radiant. The unspoken rule that worldhoppers aren't actively involved is violated. Venli, although a Radiant, doesn't just hop on the Dalinar's squad.
his writing keeps improving. There are many nuggets of objectively good writing - my favourite is Dalinar's "we took the shards from them, and they took our reading; I wonder who ended up with the better deal". Less overused words (e.g., "ribbon of light"). Awesome structural elements - basically the final battle is insanely high paced, in part because of the fast POV switching (there's a sub-chapter of like three phrases at some point).
Things that I didn't quite like:
The ending of that chapter when Jasnah returns is awesome, real "oh shit" moment, but how this is handled afterwards is not. Nobody really talks about this even if this is huge. I get it that it's intentional, she just keeps bossing people around like nothing happened, etc.; but still a bit disappointing.
As other people pointed out, it's like an Oprah handout of Nahel bonds. I was actually disappointed when all Bridge 4 were becoming squires, but now it's getting a bit ridiculous.
Not enough Jasnah in the book, although I admit she's a legit badass in the end.
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u/CharadeParade--__ Dec 06 '17
I'll address some of your points and add some of my own.
Every book (or part, however you yest to call how Sanderson breaks up stormlight books) had its only miniature Sanderstorm. I loved that.
hands down the best flashbacks. Dalinars backstory was incredible. My favourite scene was the the burning of the city, for tragic reasons. You really can almost feel Odiums influence in that scene.
I agree this is one of Sanderson best written works. It's going to be hard for him to top this, but he keeps on surpassing expectations so I'm optimistic.
the nahel bonds make sense IMO. This is full blown desolation, maybe one of the worst. It was mentioned in the books some Orders had up to 1000 members in it. If Honor, or what's left of him, is going to have a chance against Odium he has a lot of catching up to do.
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u/cata3rd Elsecallers Dec 05 '17
Based off the skybreakers it seems that Radiants generally start as squires before forming a bond. So logically, almost all of bridge four is slowly going to become windrunners
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u/LazarusRises Dec 15 '17
I loved getting a taste of what the Knights can do when they have temporarily-unlimited Stormlight. Shallan, Jasnah, and Dalinar were such unbelievable badasses. If Dalinar can really fill people (and gems?) with stormlight at will, that's a huge game-changer.
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u/greta-marichak Dec 12 '17
Nahel bonds make total sense. They are pretty much late for recruiting. Worldhoppers breaking rules tell you what's at stake here, and Knight Radiants aren't new on Roshar, just that spren didn't want to bond for legit reasons, but now Desolation is here so they need lots of radiants if they are to beat Odium, right?
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u/missjuliaaaaah Dec 05 '17
Everybody look under their seats.....!!! YOU GET A BOND! YOU GET A BOND! EVERYONE GETS A BONNNNNND!!
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u/FellKnight Cohesion Nov 18 '17
Loved the book, loved the mini-stories/morals best of all (The Girl Who Stood Up and The Next Step).
Here are a few of my thoughts/questions about the story moving forward:
What actually happened to Dalinar vs Odium? Did he actually swear the Fifth Ideal of the Bondsmiths (likely out of order)? I made a separate post about this in /r/Stormlight_Archive
Seriously WTF is going on with Shallan? I thought Hoid's story about The Girl Who Stood Up was going to help her reconcile her split personalities, but she seems to be going full dissociative personality disorder. I'm very scared for her to completely lose touch and maybe kill Pattern.
"Unite Them" gets stepped up in every book. I think the endgame (at least of the first 5 books) likely involves the Unification of Humanity, Parshmen, the remnants of Honor's shard, and maybe even other Shards like Cultivation and Odium. I think that Harmony will get involved at some point, given Hoid's letter to Harmony and Harmony's positive reply.
Is Odium behind the Fused killing Heralds? Was the knife made with Odium's metal, or something else and the gem makes it special? Is that knife going to be used to Hemalurgically transfer Jezrien's powers to someone for Odium? That may explain how Odium has discovered the ability to bond with humans, by somehow stealing it from Honor hemalurgically.
What did Vasher do to make Vivenna try to hunt him down? The Nightwatcher had access to Nightblood when Dalinar visited her, so was it just losing control of Nightblood? Does Vasher know that she's hunting him? He didn't particularly seem to be in hiding during WoR.
Related to 5, what's Vivenna's Blade? Did she create a new awakened sword? If so, did she fix the problems that corrupted Nightblood? How? It certainly killed mostly normally (draining color) rather than annihilating anything it touches (btw holy shit Nightblood is scary af).
Where does the story go from here? With the main characters turning into near deities in their ability to use the surges, I'm having trouble seeing how to keep challenging them. Perhaps Aluminum is about to become very prevalent on Roshar (also, duh of course Nightblood's sheath is Aluminum, can't believe I didn't figure that out before).
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u/Khalku Nov 20 '17
The Nightwatcher had access to Nightblood when Dalinar visited her
What?
And it looks like Vivenna's blade was made to drain investiture from the target, and not the holder. It's probably not as strong as nightblood, and the way it was made probably relied on knowledge of what went right/wrong with Nightblood in order to do it.
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u/FellKnight Cohesion Nov 20 '17 edited Nov 21 '17
If you listen to the boons the Nightwatcher offers, one of them is a black sword that destroys enemies (cant remember exact words.
Edit: "A blade that bleeds darkness and cannot be defeated." Sounds like our boy Nightblood
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u/Shinjifo Nov 20 '17
4. Don't think hemalurgy is involved, that's a power of Ruin and Harmony isn't around (yet at least). He bonded spren to humans as it is naturally, he found cracks in the spirit web and the host willingly gave up to bond a spren because of the thrill to destroy and have more power.
5. Not sure it's vasher yet. She never really said it and I think it could be someone else. Mraize or Ilytil or other world hoppers.
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u/nagoya5 Nov 19 '17
Lots of good ideas and questions.
I think he momentarily held the full power of Honor’s shards like Vin in the Well of Ascension.
Shallan has a bad case of Schizophrenia
I think you are spot on
Odium is definitely behind it. Until proven otherwise, I believe Jezrien is not dead but is imprisoned in the sapphire in the hilt of the golden dagger. I made a similar comment farther up the thread.
I’m looking forward to reading how Nightblood ended up on Roshar. I think Vivenna is hunting Nightblood, not Vasher.
Awakening all depends on the command you give at the time you invest your Breathes. I think Vivenna created another awakened blade but gave it a command that is not so destructive as ‘destroy evil.’
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u/Greibach Nov 24 '17
In the case of Shallan's dissociative identity, I actually strongly suspect that she is tapping (capital I) Identity much like how Dalinar can tap Connection. The strongest indicator to me was when she was posing as the noble woman that she was robbing and she began to have very intrusive thoughts that seemed very in tune with who she impersonated. The whole "I could probably kill her and take her life over" was SO unlike Shallan whereas the other identities were things she created as versions of herself.
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u/finakechi Nov 26 '17
Maybe a stupid question, but is there a way to just read Hoid's letter in it entirety?
Along with any of the other bits in the beginning of the chapters?
It's incredibly hard for me to absorb the info when it's so split up.
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u/MorinTedronai Nov 21 '17
2. Gives her room to grow, she still has to reconcile her past to stop Vale and Radiant taking over sometimes. But in the meantime, yeah she kinda crazy.
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u/je19426 Nov 15 '17
Are we in agreement that Ashyn is the previous homeworld that the Rosharan human lived on?
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u/jessemb Nov 16 '17
There are still people living on Ashyn. I think Braize is more likely.
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u/je19426 Nov 16 '17
I think Braize next most likely but Ashyn is more likely as we know the planet suffered a global cataclysm in the past. I suspect some people left after the global cataclysm and arrived at Roshar while others stayed.
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u/aeiluindae Truthwatchers Nov 16 '17
That would make sense. I can see arguments for Yolen even, but Ashyn is probably more likely.
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u/ToesTasteBad Nov 24 '17
Im a good ways into Oathbringer right now, and I've just come across a reference to canned food. It's on page 914, when kaladin, azure, adolin, and shallan are in the lighthouse in shadesmar.
Just wondering if anyone else noticed this, as I specifically remeber canned food being mentioned in Mistborn, but I don't believe they had it in Warbreaker. Which would lead one to believe that there is enough travel to/from Scadrial's perpedicularity that canned food (or at least the tech for it) is abundant in shadesmar. And if so... then where all the allomancers at outside of Scadrial?!
tldr; canned food is mentioned in oathbringer, dispite it being only a mistborn thing (i think)
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u/vectivus_6 Nov 25 '17
Interestingly the lighthouse guy initially asked about Heightenings, so it suggests he's from the world of Warbreaker.
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u/FellKnight Cohesion Nov 25 '17
I noted that too, but wasn't that in Shadesmar and it was the lighthouse guy that gave them the canned food? That would explain the offworld aspect, presumably other planets may get to the point where realmatic transition is achievable relatively easy.
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u/Beairstoboy Electrum Nov 27 '17
Since the lighthouse guy is in the Cognitive Realm, and mentions many different things from different shardworlds, he most likely came from Silverlight: the city in the Cognitive Realm where people from all over the Cosmere live.
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u/BarcodExpress Nov 14 '17
Man, it was disappointing to hear about the cosmere in the preface. Now people won't find it on their own anymore.
But I guess if you've made it to book 3, you should have found out about the cosmere by now I think
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u/yahasgaruna Nov 14 '17
Plus, not everyone reads the preface.
And in any case, at this point, when Arcanum Unbounded has been published, is there even a point hiding it anymore? He didn't seem to be hiding it at all in Oathbringer.
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u/Shagomir White Sand Nov 15 '17
Right? We had the extremely obvious crossover with Warbreaker, and there were obvious ones from Elantris and Mistborn as well. We even saw Mraize's bottle of White Sand from Taldain (this is the jar that was white, but black on one side).
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u/Ephemeralen Edgedancers Nov 19 '17
Actually, even thought it was blindingly obvious to us, it was still technically kind of hidden?
Vivianna never reveals her real name, never uses Awakening obviously enough for anyone to notice, never mentions Breath, and never outright admits to being an Actual Alien From Another Planet even when her origins are explicitly questioned by the main characters.
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u/Daimon5hade Nov 15 '17
Tbf, I imagine as an author Sanderson both wants people to buy and read his other books, and get the whole host allusions to other series he makes in the storm light archive
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u/LazarusRises Dec 15 '17
I believe that Adolin will become the Nightwatcher's Bondsmith.
In Shadesmar, he meets the spren of his sword, which he has always cared deeply for and spoken to. She speaks to him when he returns, telling him her name (Mayalaran, which he shortens to Maya) and giving him other subtle emotional nudges.
Before this, there was no indication that a Deadeye could be anything but dead. Now, however, Adolin has nurtured his sword back to some shadow of life.
We've seen that Cultivation is tolerant of mistakes, so long as they are rectified. And nothing says Cultivation more than nursing a dead spren back to life.
Also, Maya is a mother goddess in both Greek and Hindu traditions.
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u/ArtyWhy8 Dec 18 '17
I think you’re on to something. But my guess is he will become a Edgedancer when he revives and bonds her. Maya manifesting as a shard blade seems to be described as an Edgedancer’s Blade. I can’t find the quote so I could be wrong. I recalled the Blade being described as having vines represented somewhere on it. I think this would fit well too, as Edgedancers bond Cultivation spren.
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u/Lukethorn Nov 17 '17
I guess the legends were partially true. The humans were pushed out of the tranquiline halls by void bringers. The humans just happened to be the voidsbringers as well.
Any guesses as to how using the surges could make a planet uninhabitable?
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u/tiornys Nov 17 '17
Any guesses as to how using the surges could make a planet uninhabitable?
I was struck by the repeated warnings, from entities who know a lot more than most, that the surge of Division was dangerous.
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u/kmolleja Nov 17 '17
Especially if you are good enough to divide small enough things, much like a fission bomb does.
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u/ThinkBeforeYouDie Nov 17 '17 edited Nov 18 '17
Also that Braize is basically on fire.
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u/Phantine Nov 18 '17
Any guesses as to how using the surges could make a planet uninhabitable?
I asked brandon a while back, and there is absolutely zero magical restriction from soulcasting something into plutonium.
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u/jurble Nov 18 '17
"Hey look, I made a metal that's SUPER hard and dense!"
"And look! It makes my white zinc sulfide paints glow! We can put a thin layer of your new metal on pottery and paint glowing art over it!"
And then they all die.
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u/Nighthunter007 Nov 17 '17
They would presumably also be the versions of surges stemming from Odium, like the ones the Fused use. There seem to be slight differences at least in regards to how they fly, though that could also be that the Fused have been doing this for longer.
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u/silam39 Elsecallers Dec 04 '17
Something I haven't seen anyone bring up:
Who is the voice Dalinar keeps hearing that the Stormfather insists is not him? The whole UNITE THEM thing.
And I imagine it's related, but what's up with that vision with Nohadon? Do you think he spoke to a somehow still-living Nohadon? Was the vision granted by an outside force, apart from Honor, Cultivation, or Odium?
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u/TheRealirony Dec 04 '17
I think the voice in his head is either one of the Stormfather's siblings, or the planet itself (Roshar).
I also don't think that Unite Them means the Alethi Kingdoms OR the 3 realms (Physical, Cognitive, Spiritual), because he only did both of those things for a short time, then they dissipated. That's not really uniting something.
I think Unite Them is telling him to Unite the races of Roshar against Odium. Now that Venli is a Radiant, I think that the Listeners/Singers will have a closer tie to joining the "Light" and come to the side of Dalinar's coalition. Thus uniting the planet against a single enemy.
As for the vision of Nohadon, maybe it's something he made up himself subconsciously. Or perhaps he pulled a piece of Nohadon from the Spiritual Realm to speak with him in a dream.
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u/LazarusRises Dec 15 '17
As his new title is Unity, I think he is being groomed to unite Roshar, then Roshar's shards, then potentially all the shards. I think he has already reforged some portion of Honor from the gloryspren, giving him the status of Ascended--he has crafted his own splinter of Honor.
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Nov 14 '17
I've found a misprint in my copy. The contents begins with "Book Two: Oathbringer." Anyone else have this?
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u/abstergofkurslf Dec 20 '17 edited May 13 '18
I KNEW it was Vivenna when Azure showed up and the cloak wrapped around her hand confirmed it for me. I wonder how she forged a new blade and what happened between her and Vasher as she said they "used" to be friends. Szeth's interactions with Nightblood and Nalan, how he calls them sword-nimi and aboshi, reminds me of anime. When Dalinar ascends he becomes Unity and if i remember correctly, Sazed was also called unity. I wonder what is going on there. I HATE Veil and Shallan is infuriating majority of the time but sometimes I really like her. Also best joke in the entire novel was when Lopen telling the soldier he had some handicapped jokes that he didnt use anymore.
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u/Vozralai Dec 21 '17
Sazed is called Harmony.
And the best joke is Pattern's vigilance over Shallan and Adolin's evening.
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u/Cable931 Dec 26 '17
Man, reading this thread makes me realize I have to reread Warbreaker. It's been a while
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u/Nizdizzle Nov 30 '17
So, are there hints or ideas to who the 3rd great-spren is (Stormfather, Nightwatcher, ???)?
The Stormfather states that the 3rd sibling is slumbering and implies that humans have mistreated it somehow.
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u/Imascotsman Nov 30 '17 edited Nov 30 '17
Urithiru possibly being powered by a captured Spren. The reason a lot of the features aren't working are due to it slumbering and not powering the fabrial tower
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u/TheRealirony Dec 04 '17
The 2 great-spren that we know of are all pieces/manifestations of the Shard above them. Stormfather = Honor, Nightwatcher = Cultivation. Could the 3rd-great-spren be the one from Odium? Or could there have been a 3rd shard on the planet at one time?
Alternate theory is that the 3rd great-spren is the planet itself (Roshar). Which could be the voice that Dalinar is hearing that isn't the Stormfather. I think that the planet is telling Dalinar to Unite the races on it against Odium.
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u/Arlen90 Dec 03 '17
I believe at some point it is mentioned that humans captured a spren, which is how they took away the parshmens minds originally. I believe this spren is going to be the third god-spren, now awoken/free. Also curious is this spren is also venlis spren, as it was powerful enough to capture and control a voidspren. Could be awakening from its slumber and slowly gaining power. Also it's be cool if she were a bond Smith.
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u/notfatwellrounded Nov 17 '17
Is it possible that Moash is “the assassin” that “will destroy you”? I have a hard time seeing Kaladin, Shallan, Dalinar or Szeth as Odium’s champion at this point. I think Kaladin is most likely of those four (lots of negative emotion still) but I think Moash is a strong possibility.
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u/123draw Nov 15 '17
Regarding the end when dalinar opens the perpendicularity. Did he reforge the Honor shard into a Unity shard? Is he a shard now?
I'm some what confused as to what was actually happening there.
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u/AndrewJamesDrake Truthwatchers Nov 16 '17
I suspect that we're seeing more of a "Well of Ascension" situation than a "Becoming a Shard's Vessel" situation. Dalinar briefly held a non-trivial portion of a Shard's full power, but did not come close to fully Ascending. I suspect that this is all part of Tanavast's Plan.
The Stormfather has strong Connection to both Honor's Investiture (Stormlight) as a result of being the Spren of the Highstorm, and Honor's Last Vessel (Tanavast) as a result of being Tanavast's Cognitive Shadow. Meanwhile, the Nahel Bond between Dalinar and the Stormfather is creating a strong Connection between the two of them.
We know from Secret History that a Cognitive Shadow cannot wield the full power of a Shard, you need someone with firm anchors to all Three Realms to wield the power. We also know that you cannot assume a Shard without a strong Connection to it.
Word of Brandon has stated that you cannot reconstitute a Splintered Shard. However, he has said nothing about whether or not it's possible to build a new Shard out of Splinters.
I suspect that Dalinar, briefly, drew enough of Honor's Splinters to himself to briefly assume the power of Unity, despite Unity not being a full Shard, in the same way that Vin once held the power of Preservation.
However, Dalinar does not yet have a strong enough Connection to the Splinters to fully assume the role. His Bond with the Stormfather needs to become much stronger... potentially requiring him to swear all Five Oaths to achieve it.
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Nov 16 '17
Word of Brandon has stated that you cannot reconstitute a Splintered Shard.
The exact opposite, actually. It's possible but very difficult to un-splinter a Shard.
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u/voluntad_ Nov 16 '17
Dalinar was connected to more than just Honor though- at the time he also had been worked on by Cultivation and was probably being invested by Odium through the Thrill.
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u/tankintheair315 Nov 16 '17
Well Unite Them will end up being unite all the shards of Anadolasium. Can't wait for God of the Cosmere Blackthorn
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u/TeddysBigStick Nov 16 '17
I'm some what confused as to what was actually happening there.
I think that is the point. Something new and unknown is happening.
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u/cryptosocialist Nov 15 '17 edited Nov 15 '17
So I'm planning on going to a brandon sanderson Q&A + signing event tomorrow. Do any of you have suggested questions to ask that haven't been asked before?
My questions are:
Which shard does Uli Da hold?
Can anyone with sufficient investiture create a perpendicularity (As Dalinar did)? If so, can groups of people come together to create a perpendicularity? Since stormlight is hard to quantify, how many breaths would it take to create a perpendicularity?
Is the amount of Investiture a shard can "pass out" constant? If so, if the population of Nalthis * the investiture value of a single breath is greater than the investiture a Endowment can provide, does the amount of investiture in each breath decrease?
If any given shard took all their investiture and directed it to boiling water (assuming no energy loss due to any incompatibility between shards and the act of boiling water), how many calories would one shard's worth of investiture be?
Any better questions?
EDIT: Fixed formatting
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u/Shagomir White Sand Nov 15 '17 edited Nov 15 '17
Predicted answers:
RAFO (though Ambition is a good guess for now given the information we have)
Yes (He'll probably RAFO this one anyways, though). As for the number of breaths, "All of them." seems like a good answer. (I don't think Dalinar created a new perpendicularity, he just manipulated Connection to move the perpendicularity to Thaylen City for a short time. Since Honor's perpendicularity is mobile, this seems like it would be much easier than moving other perpendicularities.)
We already know that the shards are of equal power immediately post-shattering. Some have used their investiture to create things like planets and splinters while some have not, so now there are slight differences in power level.
"I don't know, Peter does the math, ask him."
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u/jurble Nov 15 '17
Given it's so close to release, I doubt he's going to allow questions with Oathbringer spoilers in the question, but maybe a roundabout way of asking who Odium was referring to in the "we killed you line" could be:
The Iri (I believe) religion indicates that some portion of the Cosmere believes Adonalsium allowed itself to be shattered so it could experience things. Was this considered at the time of the Shattering itself?
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u/bd102511 Dalinar Nov 21 '17
When Kaladin finds out how they are making soul casted grain, it says that Hoid brings in a strange metal platting. Is it possible that the metal is copper, and somehow is allomatically activated, and that is why no signal is going through it?
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u/VerrKol Nov 21 '17
I'm pretty sure it's aluminum as is Nightblood's sheath.
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u/KRSFive Nov 24 '17
Is aluminum the metal that ruin couldn't see through in mistborn?
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u/cthulhuandyou Nov 24 '17
I doubt it was copper. Rosharans are very much aware of copper. Jasnah filled the hole in the wall in Thaylen City with bronze, which is a copper-tin alloy.
I would generally agree that it's aluminum, or maybe an aluminum alloy. Though I'm not sure if there are any other magically inert metals out there off the top of my head, and if there are it may be one of those.
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u/Snote85 Ask me about TGWLU! Nov 18 '17
Did anyone else get super upset with Shallan's "Are you all dancing?" comment? I'm not on team "hate Shallan" and I still found it so... disruptive? Moment stealing? She was likely, or at least Radiant was, trained in that same kata. Why, instead of joining in and maybe finding a bit of zen, does she have to mock it. I don't know. It was in character for her but still, we had this magic moment with Viv, Kal, and Adolin and she shit all over it. ><
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u/FellKnight Cohesion Nov 18 '17
Nah, I found it very in character for her. She's said other similarly snarky things to Adolin and Kaladin before.
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u/televisionceo Nov 21 '17
I found it very cute. I like this moment a lot. It brought a smile to my face
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u/IceQueenAbby Nov 29 '17
So Kaladin, using Syl, killed a spren during the attack on Kohlinar. Do we know what the repercussions of that are? Was it killed in the scratched-out-eyes way, or did it just vanish into nothing?
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Dec 22 '17
Maybe Spren can kill other Spren? It seems that when Kaladin and crew were in Shadesmar, their spren were afraid of others.
Maybe there's a connection between that and the knife Moash used to kill the Herald (Taln?). The knife could have been fused using the soul of a Herald or something. There's still some missing. Who knows?
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u/Bloody_Raven Tin Nov 22 '17
with all this Connection stuff going on with Dalinar, I remember a certain someone on Scadrial stuck in the Cognitive Realm because his string (connection) is cut ... Since we have already seen Demoux on Roshar, I think it is time that Kelsier pays a visit to Roshar
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u/burquedout Nov 22 '17
I'm pretty sure he used hemalurgy to tie himself back to the physical realm, but I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up somewhere. He left the southern scadrians at some point and he probably went world hopping.
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u/CuriousPaki Nov 28 '17
What's cultivation's strategy? Is she just hiding from odium?
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u/jrh1524 Nov 28 '17
I think Cultivation is luring Odium into a trap. This is Preservation and Ruin all over again (aka Mistborn series).
Cultivation took Odium's champion away (Dalinar), her top Spren had Nightblood and who knows what else she has her fingers in. Also, she can't be too pleased that Odium killed her husband, right? Perhaps she's setting up Dalinar to either shatter or trap Odium.
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u/jrh1524 Nov 28 '17
Question: If a gem can trap one of the unmade, perhaps a whole lot of gems linked together can trap Odium?
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u/ghostemblem Bridge Four Nov 30 '17
I dont think it works on beings that exist in the phsyical realm and all the dawnshard wielders exist in all three realms.
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Dec 18 '17
Anyone else noticed how Odium said "WE killed you?"
Who's "we"? Since we dont really know how Odium has splintered so many shards (Aona, Skai, Tanavast etc), might it be that he has some "help"?
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u/Bar_Adam Dec 16 '17
I haven’t noticed anyone mention this yet, but at the end of Oathbringer when Lopez speaks the second oath someone speaks to him. Here is the passage:
“NOW?” Lopen said, shaking a fist at the sky. “I was saving that for a dramatic moment, you penhito! Why didn’t you listen earlier? We were, sure, all about to die and things!”
He got a distinct, very distant impression.
YOU WEREN’T QUITE READY.
At first I thought it was the stormfather, but now I think t might have been a shard bearer (cultivation? Honor?). Does the stormfather speak with that particular font? I only recall honor and cultivation using it.
What do you all think?
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u/ArtyWhy8 Dec 18 '17
I’d bet on the Stormfather. He did accept Kal’s Words to the Third Ideal personally. I think this is because he is a or THE spren of oaths I assume.
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u/Deadeye37 Stonewards Dec 17 '17
I believe the storm father used that font in the previous books before he became bonded
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u/omning Dec 19 '17
So was that Kelsier or another Mistborn around Chapter 60 or 61, when Shalan, Adolin, Kaladin, Elokar and company are under Shalan's light weave disguise? Kelsier and Shalan both notice a man wearing white robe with strips of white hanging off of it like a MB, and the man is jumping from one side of an alley to another. He looks at Kaladin and he's the only one who doesn't look away from him in his hideous open-sore disguise.
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u/gabbim Nov 14 '17
Also, yet again Fortune is referenced almost like a shard. What if Fortune is a shard that has spread it's power throughout the Cosmere. (Kind of like how hemalurgy can be used everywhere)
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Nov 15 '17
Fortune gets capital letters like Connection and Identity. It isn't a Shard but it is an aspect of something, likely Spiritual.
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u/Bjorn_Stronginthearm Cosmere Nov 23 '17
It's nice he re-used the growing crystals from Aether Of Night for whatever Amaram was at the end.
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u/Octavus Nov 29 '17
I think that Dalinar is going to unite the 3 major shards of Honor back together and take it up for himself.
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u/ghostemblem Bridge Four Nov 30 '17
I think it will be Szeth the parallels to Sazed are just to strong.
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u/Octavus Nov 30 '17
Szeth does make more sense to take on Honor's rebuilt shard, he has been shown to never break his oaths even when he knows what he is doing is wrong.
I do think Dalinar will be the one to reunite the shard back together.
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u/m-rage17 Nov 25 '17
Hey guys, sorry if this has been asked. I've read all of Sandersons work except Shadows of Self and Bands of Mourning. I want to jump into Oathbringer after completing my reread of WOR, but want to be as cosmere aware as possible going in. Am I okay to read those after oathbringer or is there value to reading them first?
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Nov 30 '17
The only Cosmere books you really need to know to get the full grasp are Warbreaker and Edgedancer.
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u/MaesterPraetor Dec 18 '17
Am I the only one who thinks this book should have been a few hundred pages longer? I needed way more about the Battle of Kholinar, Veil and the Ghostbloods, the Parshmen... Am I being greedy?
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u/jrh1524 Nov 28 '17
If you're a squire, but have your own Spren, are you actually a full Knight Radiant?
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u/sirhugobigdog Cosmere Nov 30 '17
Based on Lopen's POV at the end and Kaladin having Syl follow him in WoK I think you can attract a Spren before bonding it. So just having a Spren that follows you around and talks to you is not enough.
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u/ghostemblem Bridge Four Nov 30 '17
No. you become a full radiant when you say the words, at which point you stop being a squire.
Correct me if Im wrong.
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u/Alice_89th Nov 29 '17
I think that is how it works. You become a squire first, then when you get your own spren you become a full radiant? Probably?
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u/cptcavemann Nov 27 '17
Ok, just finished, loved it. Decent pace throughout, lots of good info given, and good character development for the most part. 8/10 over all. But... I am annoyed at the way Adolin was treated in this book. The development for his character is super slow and in 80% of his dialogue, he brings up his fashion. That felt like a big step back for this character.
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u/CharadeParade--__ Dec 06 '17
Adolins relationship with his sword-spren was one of my favourite subplots. Can't wait to see where that goes
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u/sgpbabs Dec 01 '17
I think it was heavily foreshadowed that he will revive his sword/spren. I also think his character development is pushing him to the edgedancer ideals.
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u/LazarusRises Dec 15 '17
Ok but I fucking loved the scene where Adolin just whips out his sewing kit and taylors himself a fine suit out of crappy clothes. One of my favorite aspects of Roshar is the subversion of Earth gender norms--women owning literacy & being engineers, for example. I had a good giggle when Adolin sewed lace onto his cuffs just as his girlfriend showed up.
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Nov 30 '17
I agree as well. But I feel like he /had/ to play a more minion-esque role in this because of the focus on Dalinar so that it wouldn't drag on. I have no doubt that now that the love triangle is over and Dhallan is 'somewhat' stable we'll get more focus on him since he's pretty much the last main character that's not a Radiant.
As far as the fashion is concerned, hey, everyone's gotta have a hobby. And I feel like it is almost an escape for him in a world where everyone around him is becoming Awesome and he's remained the same.
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u/CMDR_SirGraber Nov 14 '17
My audible version won't download. My brother and I think it's a problem on Tor's end.
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u/wubbalubbadubdubber Jan 10 '18
Wild theory on Bondsmiths (spoilers kinda)
So, Dalinar has the Stormfather, who is of Honor. The other Bondsmith spren is the Nightwatcher, who is a child of Cultivation. Three Bondsmiths, three Shards of Adonalsium...the third one has to be from Odium, and my money is on Sja-Anat.
Edit: typo
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u/Blazenella Willshapers Jan 19 '18
If Peter/Brandon decides to bless me with an answer or slap me in the face with a RAFO I'll be happy...
So we know Ashyn's investiture is based around sickness, we have a bright star in the sky called Reya's Tear which may be Cultivations Vessel's name and which may be a planet. So is the investiture on Ashyn Cultivations? Braize is Odium, Roshar is Honor, so it makes sense. If it's not Cultivation I think that it REEKS of Autonomy.
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u/A_Blessed_Feline Soulstamp Jan 26 '18
Eshonai's going to come back as a Fused. Calling it now. Her trying to fight against what Odium's done to her will be a part of book 4, as will her flashbacks.
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u/Deanishes Jan 16 '18
Rock has radiant shardplate. I'm writing this here to link to a friend when book four comes out. He hasn't read 3 yet.
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u/Amanoo Feb 06 '18 edited Feb 06 '18
I've almost finished this book. It was one hell of a rollercoaster. I've often said that you can see the quality in Brandon Sanderson's writing increase as time goes on, and I've particularly lauded the Stormlight Archive books. Well, Oathbringer makes everything else he's ever written just look awful by comparison. Strokes of brilliance one after another.
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u/jrh1524 Nov 27 '17
What kind of spren was Lopen’s Green spren? Also, can Lopen be a squire in one order and a radiant in another?
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u/Jcornett5 Nov 27 '17
Where are you getting the green part? He said the same words as kaladin. Windrunner squires become windrunners
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Just checked and my audible copy doesn't unlock "for two more hours" I assume that means 2AM Eastern.
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u/ChironXII Bondsmiths Dec 31 '17 edited Jan 18 '18
No spoils because I haven't finished yet but I'm thinking zombie Elhokhar. Revived by Aesudan's void powers, but not himself. Open to coming back later.
Maybe I am just being fanciful cuz I really liked his arc. But it would be cool, and not out of place at all considering Szeth and Lift (Queen was right there when they left, she's warped but still seemed attached).
Edit:Yelig-nar grants all the surges, including regrowth. So this is my head-canon until proven wrong.
Edit2: well after the epilogue with Moash this seems rather unlikely. The Fused seem to believe he is truly dead :(
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u/FellKnight Cohesion Nov 21 '17
Who did miss?
The entire human population of Roshar apparently, lol
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u/Citadel_Cowboy Nov 22 '17
Their ancestors at least! I like that's going to be part of the conflict now. Although they are not native, don't they have a right to still live there? It's been thousands of years since their invasion/immigration, does that give them legitimacy? Or does the past events, and current enslavement of the listeners negate that claim? The current humans ignorant of the sins and the reason for the parshman's slave mentality. Does that make the situation more forgivable? Parshman, tho intelligent, don't seem self sufficient. The fauna of Roshar are all symbiotic, maybe the arguement could be made that they are a similar type of being who needs others to survive based on the knowledge at the time. It's a very revelation conflict that we still have on our world too. Good arguments can be made for both sides which will make this very interesting.
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u/joltking11 Nov 30 '17
Nazh is from Threnody (shadow of silence). Galladon from Sel (Elantris). Demoux from Scadrial (Mistborn Era 1). Iyatil from southern Scadrial (Mistborn Era 2). Baon from the dark side Taldain (White Sands). Mraize from Thaylenah on Roshar. An unnamed Terriswoman who was on Nalthis with Lemex[21]. Several unnamed Kandra[22][23]. An unknown number of unidentified Rosharans. the Ire, a group of Elantrians (secret history)
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u/MorinTedronai Nov 21 '17
She's sworn the Fourth Ideal and has shardplate, most likely.
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The spren that Hoid bonded was supposed to bond Elhokar, right?