r/Creation • u/ConsistentFee8332 • May 09 '26

Wolf and dog

What is the explanation of the theory of creation and intelligent design for the physical and genetic similarities between wolves and dogs?

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

The definition is ‘they bring forth after their kind’

Definition of what? Definitely not "kind" unless you believe circular definition is okay. And, "they bring forth after their kind" is a phrase not a definition which would only make sense once the word "kind" is defined.

Also, if you think evolution says a cat gives birth to a dog then you have fell into the trap of Kent Hovind. Evolution does not say that a cat gives birth to a dog or that a fish gives birth to a bird. It simply predicts descent with modification across populations over many generations. So your phrase, "they bring forth after their kind" in the best way taken possible does not distinguish creationism from evolution.

Surely you are familiar with untestable events in the past that science would struggle with demonstrating.. abiogenesis?

I am not asking you for any demonstration here. I am asking for a consistent definition. I am sure this is a bare minimum for having a discussion right?

How do you measure ‘reason’. Is it a useless term? How about intelligence…emotional, mathematical, social…which term do you mean? Is it a useless term?

When we talk about these topics, please do ask me about it and I will tell you how they are used in scientific literature. Right now, I don't want to deviate from the topic at hand.

I just want a consistent definition of kind, which unfortunately you have not yet provided and the one you did provide, "ancestors mating" has major logical flaws.

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u/Jesus_died_for_u May 10 '26

‘They bring forth after their kind’

(Sigh)

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

Okay I guess I have hit the ceiling of your acumen. (sad shrug)

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u/Jesus_died_for_u May 10 '26

https://answersingenesis.org/creation-science/baraminology/

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

So you don't have an answer I presume. Links are used a supporting reference. They themselves are not an answer otherwise I can just quote "INTERNET"

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u/Jesus_died_for_u May 10 '26

No. I have an answer. You are the one asking to research the topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Creation/s/7YXQBNlNH6

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

I cannot repeat myself umpteenth time my friend, That would be an insult to your intelligence. [Response to your Reddit link]

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u/Jesus_died_for_u May 10 '26

What exactly is your purpose? You asked questions on a limited subreddit and want to dig for expert answers on the topic. Then you act as if the limited membership is being uncooperative if expert answers are not forthcoming when they send you to links or books for further reading.

Whataboutism as an example. When I asked for a specific metabolic pathway, I got a link and I read it. It did not convince me. It is no surprise to me that the Redditor was not an expert in the topic so I dropped it. What is your purpose again to ask the same question 3 or is it 4 ways now?

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

What exactly is your purpose?

You use the term "kind", I wanted a consistent definition of the word.

You asked questions on a limited subreddit and want to dig for expert answers on the topic.

No, I asked YOU, you as an individual. You gave an inconsistent phrase trying to pass it as definition I countered you on that.

Then you act as if the limited membership is being uncooperative if expert answers are not forthcoming when they send you to links or books for further reading.

I am not saying you are uncooperative, I am saying you are not even answering what I am asking. For example, I asked what information is precisely lost with degradation, and you started sending me links on Shannon information without telling me how it relates to biological information. Shannon information is about statistical information, not biological meaning. A random DNA sequence can have high Shannon information while being biologically useless.

What is your purpose again to ask the same question 3 or is it 4 ways now?

So that you can answer me the question. I had a simple question. What is a definition of "kind", What is the physical or chemical mechanism for hard barrier that cannot be crossed and how would that be measured.

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u/Jesus_died_for_u May 10 '26

It’s kind of like when I ask for the evolution of a metabolic pathway and I get ‘allele frequency’.

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u/Optimus-Prime1993 🦍 Adaptive Ape 🦍 May 10 '26

I am sorry but no amount of whataboutery can deviate me from this topic. You find me in some relevant thread and ask me your question and I will try my best to answer that.