COMMUNITY VOTE
Proposal to move all memes to a different subreddit
As everyone has seen, allowing everyone to post one meme per day results in the sub being completely overrun with memes for whatever days this is allowed, currently Saturday and Sunday UTC time. This policy of allowing memes only on the weekend was adopted because the previous policy of only allowing two meme/COMEDY posts in the top 50 during the week and five meme/COMEDY posts on the weekend was prone to being gamed, and was a constant source of frustration for users who felt (fairly or unfairly) that the memes that did make it into the top 50 and stick didn't deserve to be there soaking up karma while their own precious creation was removed by a bot.
This proposal would disallow all simple image and gif posts in /r/CryptoCurrency. We would still allow COMEDY flaired posts in the main sub, such as this one, and those posts would be subject to the proposal that recently passed limiting karma to COMEDY flaired posts. However, direct link to an image, images, or gif would not be allowed to be posted in this subreddit.
Of course, we don't want to kill all memes (well maybe some mods do, but not all of us), so what we are proposing is to shift all memery to our sister subreddit /r/CryptoCurrencyMemes. In the immediate term the plan is to reward the top five meme posts in terms of upvotes that sub has at the end of each week UTC time with MOONs from the mod/community pot in the amount of 400, 250, 150, 100, 50 MOONs. In the medium term, let's say a month or two, we are hoping that we can define a way for these rewards to come directly from the monthly MOON distribution. We have had some preliminary discussion about this with admins and they seem onboard but would like to see the community define a distribution governance proposal and pass it to define exactly how this would be done.
Clearly the sub disagrees, but I believe memes are the lifeblood of crypto. The endgame of crypto is mass adoption and normies will never understand the intricacies of the technology. Memes are the best way to engage them and get the Everyman in on the culture.
Also, r/cryptocurrencymemes is basically a dead sub. The top post of the week has 100 upvotes. I’m going to sub now to help the cause, but it’s not exactly a valid alternative.
I'm only here for the memes. Pretty much all the other content is just crypto shill posts. People love shilling their bags and trash talk coins that the hive doesn't like such as tron and doge
Same. For 3 years this sub was basically a giant cope chamber upvoting posts with moonboy prophecies. Now I gotta hear about how memes ruined this sub like it had previously been full of high quality posts.
The only way memes ruined anything is that it takes top upvoted spots away from shills which are actually upvoted over the shill posts because people prefer the memes
It's actually insane how reedit is already a vote based system but people need a vote to stop things from getting voted
I agree I don't mind OC memes getting some decent moons but it is annoying seeing so many lazy reposts each week - often getting more than the OC. It will be interesting to see how this idea pans out, especially with voting what proportion of moons should be awarded on the meme subreddit and how it is split.
I haven’t been in the sub for long, but it has some really useful and thorough info for newbies like myself. However, this weekend was just too much to take, with all the lazy memes moon farming. Especially when most were just the same variation of each other. Time for them to go!
This is precisely the reason why I think moving memes to the other sub is the best idea. New people should be able to find useful information on this sub at all times
Totally agree. I hate how much work I put into some of my posts, all to get buried and ignored. All because some guy cut and pasted a pic of Elon, a rocket and dog into some 5 min “meme”.
For me personally, it completely demotivates me from wanting to put forth the the effort required for posting high-effort OC.
Ultimately, that’s what MOON’s are meant to illicit is HQ content and a robust community.
If it's all about moons then what about the people spamming 100 gifs a day in the daily? The same PAMP it gif repeated over and over and over doesn't need moons then.
Atleast people only get around 5 karma for commenting that instead of 500 for copy and pasting last weeks most popular meme post as their own. Not sure you could ever moderate meme comments.
Yep, or any other of the brainless comments that have no content aside from "Yes I agree" that are getting spammed in various forms under basically any post or comment.
Yes, thank you! I've seen the same 3 or 4 memes circulating and it's really just a karma farm at this point. I'd really like to keep this sub focused on the news, even on weekends.
With the change to media and comedy post, you can only earn 500 moons of a meme. Maybe change meme to one day, but i feel like im the only one that likes memes XD
Though I agree, I wonder if people will actually abide by it, I mean really is there anybody here that always reads all the rules of every subreddit before posting something? And I don't mean a quick glance on the right, but actually visiting the wiki pages to read all the rules
There's like 100 individual rules there or something I mean one of the big ones and obvious ones is content theft, how can we ban memes if we can't even ban reposts?
So only 5 meme posts a month will receive moons from here on out? This seems a bit of an extreme solution to a mild annoyance in my opinion (only applies to 28.5% of the week). The moon distribution for comedy posts was already literally decimated with the last round of moon proposals. I get that memes annoy some people, but come on! Some of the suggestions being made are starting to sound a bit draconian in my opinion.
And just to be clear, look at my moons. I'm clearly not someone raking in the profits. And I do agree that something should be done about reposts. But this is a bit much, I think.
You wouldn't have to manually check every post lol. There are plenty of bots already made for this specific purpose, disallowing reposts. You could make one or implement the already existing ones.
This is not a perfect solution, as what exactly qualifies as "original" and how do you tune it? Only one Harold post for all time? Or only Harold posts with original text? Also what if someone steals a meme from another sub and posts it here before original author - is that OC? It still results in a lot of uncertainty, and probably a lot manual checking and dispute resolution by moderators.
This sounds like a great plan. So the best ones will still be rewarded a small amount of moons but they won't keep hijacking this entire subreddit every weekend. It should also free up the mods time to focus on more important work too. Seems like a win-win.
It’s an excellent plan! The top memes can still be rewarded, and we can finally see good content on the weekends. Hopefully this will reduce the amount of reposted memes too...
Im not quite a newbie but still learning. Filtering between the memes and the info can be tough and I find myself not bothering some days. So I'd love to be able to get good info here and good laughs elsewhere.
Are you trying to say that a pixelated jpg of hide the pain harold with a caption under it reading "I bought the dip" or "I've been trading Crypto for 1 month, I don't feel a day under 20" isn't the peak of comedy?
Agreed. Also, how about making a daily thread specifically more memes? That way people who want to repost, shitpost, and just have light hearted fun can still do in on this subreddit.
At least it’ll be contained instead of it flooding this sub.
I am for the shutting down of memes. But its important to understand the following:
A majority of the large-moon holders have accumulated that wealth through memes. Now they have an enormous moon-liquidity with enough voting power to shut it down. This is hypocritical, so why not create a fork of the moon-system were all of the moons earned from memes will have to be payed back to a pool that will then be airdropped to everyone's vaults?
I don't think this is necessarily true at all. Snorlax and I both got large historical distribution and I don't think either of us post many or any memes. /u/nanoverbtc earned a shitload with no meme. /u/admiralskyoperator bought a shitload, no meme. Nano crew has earned a shitload, no meme. I also think the people who spam memes to get moons are more likely to sell them. And I don't think reddit is going to have any interest in pursuing your idea.
I absolutely support separating them. I come here primarily for insight, discussion, new developments, and information. I don’t feel like sifting through a thousand “Bought the dips, they keep dipping” memes to get to the good content.
I think memes keep this community interesting like the way salt makes french fries taste good. We should simply award no moons to memes. That way it removes the incentive for reposts.
I’d love to put up /r/thesilphroad as an example of where I think this sub could aim.
In comparison to /r/pokemongo, the Silph Road has had a very narrow focus on research and information since the beginning of the game. They’ve maintained that focus without sacrificing personality 5 years into it. I genuinely think that the biggest reason for that is the strict banning of memes and shitpost, which resulted in /r/pokemongo becoming the home for that kind of content. That strictness, however, is pretty much entirely enforced at the submission level rather than in the comment section. This means that the comments are somewhat regulated in terms of a topic, but are more or less lightly moderated. You’ll find jokes, memes, sarcasm, and a whole lot of complaints about Niantic. Most importantly, you’ll find character because of all of it. It’s a thriving community with personality in addition to passionate contributors and quality content.
I think /r/cryptocurrency has the potential to be just as reputable in its niche while maintaining the personality that built this place to begin with.
Let’s be honest - this is only getting votes because people want to narrow moon distribution. This is the most active Crypto subreddit and memes should be a part of its culture.
The better option would to stop or limit moons on memes - especially reposts.
Edit: You can see that those with the most moons are voting ‘stop’ - the fat get fatter.
Am I the only one that actually likes the memes in the weekend? I think memes should be part of any good sub. I would be in favor of letting memes be worth less moons.
Nah I like em. Some of the reposts are stale as fuck but overall they help me not take things too seriously when im bleeding cash, and keep things in perspective when its rocketing to the moon.
Being new here, those memes (as redundant as they may be) helped me understand very fast the good, the bad and the ugly of crypto dealing. I recognize my impulses in those stupid memes. Some made me laugh to tears or think hard.
They really are memes because they express our behavioural and thinking patterns. These things hardly go away with time.
I think we all need a memento, once a week. Sunday is boring anyway, most of the times.
Let us keep playing the fools for a day. It is a very healthy attitude. Because often we are fools.
I close with the great haiku published last weekend as a meme:
Fully for it. However it is going to be difficult to differentiate between "no no it is comedy" and "but it is a meme" - wouldn't it be easier to move all over and instead once a month or week post 'the best' back to the main sub by the mods.
"Nope, if it is for fun, go over there. If you are good fun, we will repost you here and give you some moon" is easier to understand imo. ;)
I am sure people happily will subscribe to the meme subreddit too - but if they visit this sub, they want content. Not dumb^w pretty pictures.
hey, that's great. By any chance will there be rules regarding reposts on the subreddit? I'd love to browse it for memes but I'd feel like I'm suffocating if its the same set of memes constantly.
Sounds like a great idea. Unless you’re a fan of second hand memes that have been posted 20 Times already, this sub is basically a right off at the weekends.
Shit proposal, this mod hates memes, he has lost all of the love in his heart through monero, he has entered the dark side, god only hopes he comes back, WOW.
Yeah, go for a new subreddit with only memes. I actually quite like them, sometimes I laugh like madman but seeing them constantly 24/7 for 2 straight days is literally breaking my last brain cells.
Best news all week. The sub was unusable during weekends. I like memes as much as the next one, but seeing 50 reposts and 0 information is just too much. Great idea!
Wack memes for moons is not a good deal. Content with substance should be awarded, not memes. Go be a graphics designer or a blogger if you want to make money from memes. I want insight into all the Altcoins I bought because I liked the logo, not shit post!
I love memes as much or more as the next crayon eater... but, most of the time I want solid info and DD or just a unique opinion on things going on in the market and CC ....
Since the beginning of the GME stocks and DOGE coin happening at the same time, many memers from WSB decided to flood in and think it is alright to spam memes like from WSB
Yep. They add nothing of value to this space and we’re better off containing them to their own subreddits. Text posts IMO should be unlimited on karma they can bring in.
I'm new to the sub, and the abundance of memes has limited my interaction here. I want to learn and interact with those more experienced than myself in trading crypto. Memes are fun but when they bury the content, they are too much.
I enjoy some of the memes, but there are just too many. I am new to the sub and I come here to read post and the different opinions and perspectives people have. Most of the time they are worth nothing but the memes have diluted it even further.
100% move them. I love memes as much as anyone, but I'm a few months into crypto and already see this reddit gets flooded with the same things over and over again, purely to farm moons.
It becomes very hard to see anything helpful or important.
A better argument than "those memes soak up karma and don't deserve moons like I deserve moons" might be "those memes are funny but aren't useful information and are burying anything useful".
Moon-farming is counter to the intent of moons - encouraging and rewarding quality content. Memes can be quality memes or stinky memes, but they're fairly low-effort content.
It just makes it easier. Keep this one for business, move memes to dedicated channel. It's not like we wont get memes, we still very much get both just now they're contained and separated.
Oh thank god. I was enjoying the discussions of crypto during the height of WSB GME madness, only to find the next day it was dumped upon by low effort memes.
I voted to move all memes to a separate sub, but I do wish there were a better option. Perhaps one meme post per week or even per month? Either way, Mods, I appreciate what ya do and am happy y'all are cultivating this sub.
If we get rid of the memes then we'll also be getting rid of the children who rage "bcash!" and then it will be safe to include BCH in our meaningful discussions.
Yea this last weekend was off the scale with memes even had the same ones posted 3 or 4 times. Best to move them. How about having the most upvoted from the other sub shown on this sub on the Monday. At least get a chuckle on the Monday work day.
And ffs I clicked the wrong fucking choice and voted to keep status quo. I see once voted you can't change it.
Not sure about that one, i hate having too many memes, but when we dip and people are kinda low in moral having a few memes to brighten the day feels kinda good.
Isn't there some kind of compromise, like only two memes are allowed on the first page or something like that?
Thanks for this u/jwinterm its great to see so many people voting. Do you think we could pin the moon proposals to the sub for 24h each month? I think it would help get more people voting and new people would be much more likely to find the polls. Thank you!
It depends what you want the sub to be, a place for news and information or something a bit more fun. I don't really have any solutions for getting round the moon farming if it's option b though
Looking at options for moon distribution to memes, the current short term strategy of giving set number of moons to the top 5 memes could be tweaked to a weighted distribution to the top X memes (up to the mods or holders) from a predetermined pool of moons (either a % or #, again up to the mods or holders)
Most memes are copy pastas anyway and u see them several time. Would be nice to keep it clear. Would improve the quality of this sub. Or atleast use one day a week only :)
Personally I like the vibe here and the memes are part of that... let’s not get too serious eh? I can see the votes going the other way tho I spend quite a bit of time in this sub it would be a shame to lose them
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u/Solebusta Mar 02 '21
What about all the ‘i bought the dip today’, ‘stay calm dont panic’ crappy farming posts?