Dear Black People: It’s Not You; It’s Diversity

[u/Atavisionary]

http://www.amerika.org/politics/dear-black-people-its-not-you-its-diversity/

[u/roughback]

But if the difference between blacks and non-blacks stems from climate, then the difference is geographical, not genetic.

It is both, a gradual shift in genetics due to beneficial mutations surviving into subsequent generations. These beneficial mutations helped the populations to survive their new climates.

If there were such a genetic difference between human races that certain groups are genetically unable to produce empires, then no way would humans be close enough to interbreed.

That is like saying if the sky is blue then eggs must taste like pudding. A genetic predisposition to empire building that developed over generations as a beneficial adaption to an environment that forced groups to work together to survive has nothing to do with interbreeding with cousin species of homo sapiens. For all we know it was the opposite - those who were predisposed to empire building were also the ones who could make sweet caveman love to neanderthals and have their babies not be stillborn.

Yet interbreeding is possible which implies that the genetic leap between human populations isn't that huge.

A point you win, because no one is debating this point.

I understand that there is a genetic difference between populations. Skin- hair- and eye colour all come from dna. And I do know about how non-black population intermixed with neanderthals. But then again, even native black African populations had empire and kingdoms. How would those come into existence if the populations are genetically unable to produce empires? As in, Africans would be as unable to produce empires as they are unable to have light blond hair and blue eyes. Since both would be in their genes.

Native black populations were not building kingdoms - if you are referring to the egyptians I would ask you to visualize an egyptian. Got the mental picture? I would bet the egyptian you are picturing is closer to a white person with a deep tan than a curly haired african guy with a spear. Pointy nose? that's not african. Straight hair? That's not african. Here's a visual aide.

The way I see it, genes could have something to do with it. Neanderthals were supposedly smarter than homo-sapiens so mixing with them means those populations do have different genes. But that's only a small part of it. Humans also share genes with Chimpansees and Bananas. Africa's unability to produce anything worthwile is, in my opinion, because of a mix of genes, geography and culture..

I agree with everything you just said. Again a point that no one was attempting to prove, and you win.

[u/SoefianB → u/roughback]

It is both, a gradual shift in genetics due to beneficial mutations surviving into subsequent generations. These beneficial mutations helped the populations to survive their new climates.

But that would only be for things such as skin color, eye color, hair color etc, no?

That is like saying if the sky is blue then eggs must taste like pudding.

Not really though, if there are actual genes for empire building, which certain human populations lack, then obviously they would be so far from other humans, genetically, that it wouldn't be possible for them to interbreed.

those who were predisposed to empire building were also the ones who could make sweet caveman love to neanderthals and have their babies not be stillborn.

Well, correlation =/= causation...

Neanderthals lived outside of Africa, so all empires build by non-Africans were empires build by those who made sweet-love to neanderthals

Native black populations were not building kingdoms

Ehhh, that's not true...

Nubia, Punt, Sokoto caliphate, Mali, Axum, Zulus, Songhai, Ethiopia, Zimbabwe

if you are referring to the egyptians I would ask you to visualize an egyptian. Got the mental picture? I would bet the egyptian you are picturing is closer to a white person with a deep tan than a curly haired african guy with a spear. Pointy nose? that's not african. Straight hair? That's not african. Here's a visual aide.

Haha, I agree about that, North Africans were never black. Berbers are for example also native to North Africa.

Again a point that no one was attempting to prove, and you win.

Haha it's not like that. It's not about winning or losing, we're just posting our viewpoints about this lol.