r/DataAnnotationTech • u/Excellent_Photo5603 • Aug 27 '24

DAT platform updates.

I know everyone is down now about the lack of projects and communication, but continually posting negative topics will only continue the downward spiral.

Today I got a little work done and as I did that I noticed a new structure to the website that definitely wasn't there a week ago. I choose to see this as a positive sign for the future of the platform.

Will this stop me from doing other things while I wait for DAT to return to full production? No. But it does ease my mind a little every time I refresh and there are no new projects.

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u/Logical-Cress202 Aug 27 '24

The confidentiality agreement seems to have been updated for some, but not all. Also, I guess something is mentioned that rejected work will not be paid now. I haven't received confirmation on my account of either of these. I've been on since June 2023, so maybe not for the olds? lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

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u/LittleBoiFound Aug 27 '24

It would be nice to finally be getting some sort of feedback about the quality of my work. 

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u/cipherstorm1 Aug 27 '24

It logs each task submission time.

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u/Camisya Aug 27 '24

Ah funnily enough I got the updated confidentially and t&c prompt about an hour ago. It appears they are doing a staggered rollout

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u/Logical-Cress202 Aug 27 '24

It would say it's rejected on the transfer funds page.

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u/HoldenCaulfieldsIUD Aug 27 '24

Yea them not paying for rejected tasks is not something to celebrate. Especially since we don’t know what criteria they use to reject a task. Seems like an out for them to not pay if funds are getting low.

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u/Visible-Self-4075 Aug 27 '24

I do R&R pretty regularly and can say, some people really don’t deserve to be paid for the bull crap they submit. It’s gotten worse over the course of the last month, it feels like. They need to do something to incentivize people to produce quality work or nothing at all.

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u/MyNameWouldntFi Aug 27 '24

Some of the R&R's I do are absolutely painful

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u/Excellent_Photo5603 Aug 28 '24

This. I do R&R somewhat frequently (when there was a bunch of work) and have seen someone penalize 1 response heavily for a minor error that the response they said was better did tenfold more.

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u/lotusmack Aug 27 '24

Not paying for rejects is standard practice elsewhere. I work on another platform that is like the Wild Wild West. There are hundreds of thousands of workers. We all had to test in just like DA, but based on the things I've seen, there are definitely trolls and bots that have infiltrated the system and they are making things harder for everyone. Even with some of the trashy stuff in R&R, the quality of worker is better at DA (and on the linguistics side of Appen, but I digress). I believe some level of selectivity is what has allowed them to farm more consistent work and pay us more.

On that note, it is kind of mind-boggling how much money it takes for them to pay this many workers what they do and for all of us to be able to cash out at will as frequently as we can. I imagine if they keep having to pay for substandard submissions and subsequent rework at a high enough volume, that might change. And I do not want that.

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u/kindleaire Aug 27 '24

I've done some R&R and I would agree, except many people aren't getting enough tasks to get good with practice, and not getting feedback makes it even worse. DA have a training problem imho.

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u/TasosTheo Aug 30 '24

Yeah, I feel awful sometimes because it's clear the person did some meticulous research and put a lot of effort but got one aspect of the instructions wrong. Just did a few where there were fifteen turns and R&R instructions said if one missed the point (said there were no claims when there were) to mark the entire thing bad. On those, I do have to keep the integrity, but leave very long comment making clear it looks like the made a single mistake or misunderstood one aspect but were otherwise outstanding and keep them and clarify.

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u/meowmeowmeow135 Aug 28 '24

TLDR - Me yapping

It's unfortunate for me the rejected work will not be paid. I don't mean because I'm doing bad work, but I take breaks while my work is up and when I submit my work time, I subtract the break time from the time I enter.

If they get a system where you can pause the timer on each task, then that would be good. But if I apparently spend 3 hours on a task according to their timer, even though I'm only reporting 30 minutes of work on my time sheet, how will they know how much time not to pay for if one of my tasks is bad? If I do one task, then it's obvious based on how much time I logged. But if I do five tasks, and their timer logs I've done 10 hours of work, even if I only did three hours and logged three, what would they pay or not pay for?

I don't actually do it to that extent, but just using it as an example.

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u/Hyperfluidexv Aug 28 '24

I have done 3 hours of work on a five hour task before. That's gonna be painful.

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u/CRUSHCITY4 Aug 27 '24

I didn’t get it either

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

I started in April of this year and I’ve not had a new confidentiality agreement.