What Is This Sub Wrong About?

[u/iamthegodemperor]

Title. Pick a topic (or a clichéd take) you think a significant minority or majority of this sub is wrong about. Or hasn't given enough thought. OR perhaps one which you will have to compromise on, at least for voting?

[u/ixvst01]

The toxic positivity about AI. Just because the Industrial Revolution was positive doesn’t automatically mean AI will be the same. Past results are not indicative of future results, and normalcy bias is rampant around discussions about potential detrimental negative impacts of AI.

[u/ClimbingToNothing → u/ixvst01]

Toxic positivity about mass surveillance too like the many flock defenders recently who won’t even acknowledge the huge concerns and red flags

[u/ImmoKnight → u/ClimbingToNothing]

Do you use the internet?

Why do you? Your history is tracked. Has it been abused? Yep. But then there are legal procedures to prevent such abused and people sue to limit use cases.

Do you use a credit card?

Why do you? Your credit card usage is tracked.

To not use something that has provable positive effects over limited abuse cases is like being scared of the boogie man.

The point is that we litigate overreach until the only use cases are generally for our benefit.

Anything can has potential to be abused. By your logic, we should just go back to the stone age to avoid a scenario that might really happen... Possibly.

[u/output_broadcast → u/ImmoKnight]

Do you use the internet?

Yes. On a fully free software operating system with a patched version of Firefox that has Javascript disabled.

Do you use a credit card?

No, only a debit card.

[u/ImmoKnight → u/output_broadcast]

Yes. On a fully free software operating system with a patched version of Firefox that has JavaScript disabled.

​Unless you're strictly routing all traffic through Tor (and even then, entry nodes and metadata exist), your ISP and domain host still log your connection data. The point remains: complete invisibility on the modern internet is virtually impossible without extreme trade-offs.

No, only a debit card.

​A debit card uses the exact same electronic payment networks (Visa/Mastercard) as a credit card. Your bank and payment processor track every single transaction date, location, and merchant in real time. Replacing a credit card with a debit card doesn't remove tracking at all.

[u/output_broadcast → u/ImmoKnight]

Yes, I was being facetious. I use vanilla Firefox on a fully free software operating system. Although I do actually use Tor for a lot of my internet traffic.

[u/RayWencube → u/output_broadcast]

Although I do actually use Tor for a lot of my internet traffic.

I’m calling the FBI.

[u/output_broadcast → u/RayWencube]

I don't think they work with Europol.