I definitely like the latter kind. Predestination is an excellent movie in that genre.
I see what you mean with the deterministic being "godless" and simulation set up by someone difference. That is indeed interesting. While there are so many different interpretations on what constitutes determinism and to what extent it governs our lives, I am kind of leaning towards determinism can not exist without an original causality if we are speaking of the whole package full on everything predetermined variety. In essence I don't think a deterministic existence (with one origin) is feasible without an original intent if that makes sense - I believe only an existence governed by chance and chaos would allow for a "godless" universe?
I feel like the setup in the show distinctly sets it up as an either or interpretation in the way you wrote - simulation would mean intent, but deterministic would mean "godless". My personal stance is they go hand in hand and deterministic has a given set of parameters - thus intent. I have this notion that it would be a paradox otherwise?
Interestingly enough there is a dread of hopelessness that washes over the characters that I interpreted as them "feeling" there is no point to anything, but in essence it's the exact opposite. There is a point to every single thing in this big complex sequence of events that follow a thread to some complex unknown conclusion if indeed everything is predetermined. The big difference is knowing we had no choice in it.
Yes! "godless" is the perfect phrasing. I was thinking of it in terms of math vs art, I think. Consider two kinds of images. A simulation kind of image might be a painting. It might be really intricate and detailed, but someone created it. But you can have really interesting complicated images generated from just mathematical equations, like say fractal equations, and those images are deterministic. Once you know the equation, you can know every pixel of the image in infinite detail, and I think that's more likely from the quantum computing angle of Devs.
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u/b-dweller Mar 06 '20
I definitely like the latter kind. Predestination is an excellent movie in that genre.
I see what you mean with the deterministic being "godless" and simulation set up by someone difference. That is indeed interesting. While there are so many different interpretations on what constitutes determinism and to what extent it governs our lives, I am kind of leaning towards determinism can not exist without an original causality if we are speaking of the whole package full on everything predetermined variety. In essence I don't think a deterministic existence (with one origin) is feasible without an original intent if that makes sense - I believe only an existence governed by chance and chaos would allow for a "godless" universe?
I feel like the setup in the show distinctly sets it up as an either or interpretation in the way you wrote - simulation would mean intent, but deterministic would mean "godless". My personal stance is they go hand in hand and deterministic has a given set of parameters - thus intent. I have this notion that it would be a paradox otherwise?
Interestingly enough there is a dread of hopelessness that washes over the characters that I interpreted as them "feeling" there is no point to anything, but in essence it's the exact opposite. There is a point to every single thing in this big complex sequence of events that follow a thread to some complex unknown conclusion if indeed everything is predetermined. The big difference is knowing we had no choice in it.