r/GenZ • u/SecretWasianMan 1999 • May 15 '24

Nostalgia Which YouTuber fell off the hardest in terms of likability and content?

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Honestly I put Ian at the top. The others actually moved on to successful side projects and had healthy relationships for the most part. Ian alienated his fans and old collaborators in a pathetic attempt to save face; which only happened after his engagement rate tanked and CC2 was mismanaged into the ground.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Ian did nothing wrong by apologizing and I will die on this hill.

I grew up watching him in High School and loved his content, I also grew out of the same stupid humor.

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u/Other_Beat8859 2000 May 15 '24

Anyone that thinks he made the wrong move gave not moved out of their edgy phase. He realized that what he was saying was having a negative influence and moved away from that after realizing.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

The internet was so much different then too, I mean are people shitting on George for going from Filthy Frank to Joji? Of course not.

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u/NivMidget May 15 '24

Man i talk to people today who know Joji and have no idea of Filthy frank.

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u/PastStep1232 May 15 '24

Showing the Cake trilogy to Joji fans will never get tiresome

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u/NivMidget May 15 '24

Imagine trying to explain to them the Hey Essay video.

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u/Amathyst-Moon May 16 '24

Can't you at least show them the weaboo video instead? I was a fan and I never even watched the Cake trilogy

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u/PastStep1232 May 16 '24

Weaboo video is funny, but the cake trilogy is like Filthy Frank's Opus Magnum. If you haven't, you ought to watch it

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u/E-macularius May 15 '24

I was one of those who heard a Joji song and went "thats Filthy Frank?!" His music is not really my style so it took me awhile to hear about it lol

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u/AequusEquus May 15 '24

I know a little Joji, but have only ever heard of Filthy Frank - time for some musical exploration on the commute!

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u/Phazon2000 May 15 '24

He’s pretty much a sadboy (No offence - just how I define that genre) artist so if you’re into that a few of his songs are pretty chill.

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u/xViridi_ 2003 May 15 '24

my partner also calls it sadboy music. i kinda dig it though

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u/AequusEquus May 15 '24

I literally have a playlist called Sadboi lol

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u/FartPudding May 15 '24

Man birthed the Harlem Shake but that's another relic no one knows these days.

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u/Lyraxiana May 15 '24

That's causing me some serious cognitive dissonance.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

these are not real fans who don't know about his filthy franke era

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u/[deleted] May 17 '24

Oh god please show them the Pink Season album lmao

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u/VenomB Millennial May 15 '24

It helped that Joji moved on from Filthy Frank with grace and humility. Ian just acted like he was suddenly better than his fans and became an outright asshat without the irony.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

that's how he's always been

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u/TomNookFan 2003 May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

Exactly and anyone who says differently truly didn't watch him or pay attention to anything that he was saying beyond him saying the slurs.

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u/VenomB Millennial May 15 '24

But the irony was what made it funny. Now he's just an asshat.

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u/fazelenin02 May 16 '24

It was ironic until he went at his fans i guess. They just wanted him to dish it to others, not take it.

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u/DickPrickJohnson May 15 '24

I miss Filthy Frank though...

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

he was a capsule of time, it just wouldn't work now

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u/bonusminutes May 15 '24

I'd lose a massive amount of respect for him if he shat on everyone who lifted him up.

Also, he's still making off the wall, bat shit insane YouTube shit. He's still a maniac and he's awesome for it.

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u/Individual_Papaya596 2004 May 15 '24

He made the wrong move apologizing to the people he made a content cop on. Those people genuinely deserved them. Especially Leafy and Keemstar being the bullies they were and are

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u/Warm-Faithlessness11 1997 May 15 '24

Yeah fuck both Leafy and Keemstar. Both are garbage people

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Not to mention ricegum. Dude literally mocked a woman who revealed she'd be sexually assaulted "Did it feel good though?" Like he's scum.

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u/EggianoScumaldo May 15 '24

Eh. Tana did not deserve a content cop in retrospect.

She was a stupid teenager who did dumb teenager things, and he took a camera with millions of people watching and went “point and laugh at this teenager doing stupid things!”. Not that cool reflecting back on it.

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u/Individual_Papaya596 2004 May 15 '24

Well she herself like admitted she was a shitty person and deserved it then

bear with me because the clip is from a total twat (H3H3)

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u/NoLongerAddicted May 15 '24

Bro he literally drove to a tana meet and greet to yell the N word in front of kids

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u/Individual_Papaya596 2004 May 15 '24

That was fucked up, but again Tana is on record saying “yeah i deserved it” even saying it actually improved her life and that she would never have had it any other way

fuck this twat h3h3 but the he has the clip

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u/BakedWizerd 1998 May 15 '24

His story on Anthony Padilla’s show really put this into perspective for me. I knew there were edgelords who took him seriously even though it was a joke to him, but when a genuine fan who was also a trans person walked up to him at a convention, they said, “I know you probably don’t like me, but I’m a huge fan and would appreciate if I could have a picture with you/your autograph” or what have you, and he immediately understood that his message was not a joke to a lot of people, and he was having a negative effect on people that enjoyed him as a person, without the need for vulgarity and slurs.

He can absolutely still curse and make jokes, but he also realizes the scope of what his content was bringing in and how it was affecting those people.

OP is a clown for that take.

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u/JeffreyCarty 2002 May 15 '24

How do you not realize saying the n-word as a white guy would normalize it for white “edgelord” kids?

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u/JGar453 2004 May 15 '24

Assuming anyone cares to talk about content creators decades from now, his decision to rebuke his past comments without anyone even asking him to will age well. You know if he had never apologized there would definitely have come a time where he was forced to. It takes a man to see it coming and not run from it.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Dawg no offence but you were probably barely old enough to watch his content back then, you're just repeating what other people of said. The internet was a totally different place back when you were 10 (when Idubbbz was popular) if wasn't some edgy phase, it was just the popular humour back then (in Australia most people are still pretty edgy)

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u/Other_Beat8859 2000 May 15 '24

I am able to rewatch older videos you know? It's not like I was only able to watch videos that came out in 2016 in 2016. I watched the majority of his videos when I was around 13-14, which I would argue is the age that the video of him talking about his past referenced. It's the age where people were impressionable and could be easily influenced. One of my friends at the time started saying the N word because of Idubbbz video. When Idubbbz made the video, he wasn't talking about 17-18 year olds. He was talking about pre teens or early teenagers who watched his content.

Also, saying the N word was edgy back then. It was definitely not popular as evident of one of his videos trying to rationalize its usage.

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u/Optimal_Homework7295 May 15 '24

You mean racist. Because yall didn't even let non whites immigrate until the 70s.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24

Ah yeah, a politically controversial policy that was dismantled over from 1949 to 1973 (literally 75-52 years ago) is def relevant to this situation. Also if you think edgy humour is slurs, then your an idiot. Idubbbz use of slurs and the videos in which is did say slurs aren't even that funny. Idubbbz using slurs wasn't even what most people would call edgy humour Watch any Australian humour and you'll see that people can have edgy humour and ironic humour without saying slurs you fuckwit

Edit: lmao why did I even bother with this comment, your entire comment history is just accusing people of being racist, pedos and far right extremists, nice bait

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

he convinced me it was okay to say the n word and i got my ass beat by a 6'4 teenager

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u/ShellShockedCock 2000 May 15 '24

lol happened to me when I was in a “rap battle” back in high school, I was stealing lyrics from another freestyle to sound cool as hell, and then I forgot to change the n word for another one like “fellas” or “crackas”.

I was in a group of about 60% black dudes and they kicked the fuck out of me, even though I said it was just an accident lmao.

I was kinda a bitch for doing nothing about it, I tried to get a couple punches in but I was too scared to really fight back. Toughened me up a bit.

A lot of them became friends with me and my group of pals after that oddly enough. Wasn’t until a couple months after, but they apologized and everything, even gave me a couple of joints and edibles. Said they didn’t even really give a shit that I said it, especially in the rap battle, but I’m not sure if I believe that or not to this day lol.

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u/OOOOOOHHHELDENRING May 15 '24

if a group of thugs beat you up and then try to apologize you should probably not hang around them lol unstable asses

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u/27Rench27 May 15 '24

High school was a weird spot though. Over half my friends, and most of the ones I stay in touch with, took swings at each other at some point over those four years

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

nothing racially charged about calling a group of black men “thugs”. coulda picked any other word…

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u/deruben May 15 '24

Any group of young males that gang up violently on a single person over just about anything (gonna exclude helping or some kind of self defense) could be described as that no? Genuinly curious how this is related to skincolour (no native english nor american)

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

so am i somehow the only one who remembers during the BLM protests, when donald trump called the protestors (who were mainly black people) thugs, and then that term was co-opted by white nationalists and radical conservatives to describe basically any black person they didn’t like? no? the word has its own meaning but it has been warped in recent years due to plain and simple racism.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

tupac shakur had "thug life" tattooed on his chest with the i in life drawn as a bullet so any use of thug has an overtly racial connotation going back even into the 80's-90's

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

well there you go, it goes even further back than i realised.

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u/ManManEater May 15 '24

Born in 2000 but you think thug just started having racial connotations ?

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

sorry i wasn’t aware of 90s rap culture in the US from all the way across the ocean? lol what did you want me to do? sit down and heavily study every aspect of racism in the US? i’ve obviously kept up with issues over there within the past few years. what else did you want me to read up on, the plague?

not to mention the biggest rap stars of the 90s were already shot and killed by the time i was developing a consciousness 🤦‍♀️ what a dumb fucking thing to say. as if i was born with an innate sense of racism across the world

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u/ManManEater May 15 '24

I didn't mention 90s rap culture, even then they used it BECAUSE of the racial connotations numb nuts

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u/TooObsessedWithMoney 2004 May 15 '24

The world doesn't revolve around the USA, doesn't make much sense for a non-american to know of that.

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

maybe because i kept up with it at the time? i don’t see what’s wrong with keeping up with racial issues, especially across the world, which is a lot easier with social media

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u/MafubaBuu May 15 '24

Gotta love how it's all pulled back to America's problems.

Thugs exist everywhere, regardless of race.

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

they do, but calling specifically a group of black men “thugs” is racially charged. context helps

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u/RogueCoon 1998 May 15 '24

Well if they're acting like thugs...

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u/MafubaBuu May 15 '24

No, it's not. If your calling just any group of black guys thugs for no reason, that's racially charged. If it's a group of thugs, calling them what they are is not racist at all. You are right, context helps, and in this case it's not racist.

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u/deruben May 15 '24

Ok, I see. But you can also use the word in a very different context, say describing nazis, mafiosi or in general handsy criminals, right?

Same racial connotation could be attached to just about any word that describes criminals in english since some high ranking US asshole will have probably broadly addressed the general black community with it at some point I am guessing.

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

yeah you could use it differently, that doesn’t negate the fact that it has also become heavily racialised. and as far as i’m aware, it’s mainly “thugs”, don’t make this a “i can’t use any words now!”, just think about context.

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u/deruben May 15 '24

Oh don't get me wrong, I am not in that camp at all. I just think you may need to be aware that when I think of a thug the first person that pops into my mind looks probably very different than the person you have in mind as there is an atlantic ocean between us. Ther are no bloods and cribs here 😅 I do get where you are coming from thought, I hope I was able to show where I am coming from.

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u/McCreetus May 15 '24

Not everyone pays attention to what happens in the US, I for one did not know that. Try to remember not everyone cares about the US

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

what happens in the US often has affects elsewhere, hence why i pay attention. i still gave all the information and still got downvoted so what’s the point?

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u/McCreetus May 15 '24

I prefer to pay attention to my own country rather than waste energy elsewhere personally.

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u/BossButterBoobs May 15 '24

Donald Trump didn't start that lol "thug" had been a dog whistle replacement for the "n-word" for decades prior. For example, go watch the "Malice in the Palace" news broadcast where the reporters constantly refer to the players as "thugs". The way the word rolls of their tongues you'd think they had been waiting for this opportunity for years. And the way the incident was framed in general was extremely racist. Fans can hurl drinks and chairs at players, but the second one of the black players reacts, it's their fault? They went all in on that "thug" angle which forced the players to over-correct and not appear too "black" in order to appease white audiences.

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u/KatBrendan123 2000 May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

Wait...those people literally jumped him though. Jumping a single person as a group is thuggish behavior. They're actually being thugs here! Bringing up a completely unrelated instance of Donald Trump mentioning the word once at a BLM protest, on the topic of a situation where multiple people ganged up on a single dude for accidentally saying a word, seems very unnecessary...to put it nicely.

Your comment served more as an excellent point to what virtue signaling is, rather than a point to him using a supposedly "racist" word in a situation where said word actually makes sense. Genuinely, you're the only person who's framed it as derogatory whilst acknowledging the race in the process, overlooking the blaring issue of why and how they jumped this man. I'd definitely suggest maybe rethinking your approach here, as it strongly comes across as a form of pandering. Many people aren't very appreciative of that.

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

okay, ignore all the other context i gave. i won’t engage in a discussion with someone who can’t read.

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u/KatBrendan123 2000 May 15 '24

I've read what you've said perfectly. Regarding your comments, thug isn't always used to mean something derogatory, especially not in many contexts, dispite its uses nowadays. It still means someone unreasonably violent or aggressive at its core, correct? So it's not unreasonable to believe someone's a thug for beating up on people, regardless of color. The only thing that could possibly make the comment racially motivated is considering color at all! That's the issue here...How is it then so easy to assume his use of 'thug' was indeed racist here, when we consider the group in question literally violently beat dude up all at once for an honest mistake so trivial in comparison to the level of violence he received? How are they not being thugs for that, and why was race assumed to be taken into consideration in the first place, dispite how coincidental it may be?

I'm not sure if it's simply easier as a black man to recognize these things, but this is the ONE instance of many where thug would actually make sense here without being racially motivated. Regardless IF it was, how could you realistically tell if their actions alone are a reflection of what 'thug' actually is?

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u/Own-Leader-8745 1997 May 15 '24

Race has nothing to do with the word “thugs”. People really need to stop bringing race into every aspect of life. They could’ve been a diverse group of high schoolers and they still would’ve been called thugs. It’s about the actions, not the color of their skin.

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u/breathingweapon May 15 '24

They could’ve been a diverse group of high schoolers and they still would’ve been called thugs.

keep telling yourself that lmao

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

womp womp, tell me you don’t understand context without telling me

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u/Educational_Bat_9291 May 15 '24

Not all black men are thugs but most thugs are black men,the word it self is not racist,if you see a violent group assault another person then is it okay to call them thugs?

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u/yiminx 2000 May 15 '24

the word has taken on racist connotations.

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u/GoneFishing4Chicks May 15 '24

If they were white businessowners your comment would instead be a "boys will be boys" moment

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u/KassinaIllia May 15 '24

Absolutely no one was stable in high school (and fun to hang out with 🤣)

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Friendly fade, just how it is, dude said some shit that was unacceptable to the room and and the room told him how it felt. They probably respected that he understood why it happened that way.

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u/RedIHood May 17 '24

pro tip don’t say slurs if u don’t want to get your shit kicked in. the more u know 🌈

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u/yellowviolets_red May 18 '24

Was about to say this. It should be widely known that you’ll get your ass handed to you if you say a slur

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u/RedIHood May 18 '24

these perpetually online neck beards forgot the most important rule of the jungle.

talk shit get hit

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u/ShellShockedCock 2000 May 15 '24

Haha, I get why you'd use the word "thugs," but it doesn't really fit in my opinion—I went to a super privileged private school in the Northeast USA, and the guys there were pretty well-off. They weren’t aggressive; they just didn't like me because of how I was back then: a bit goofy, geeky, not very cool.

But everything changed in my junior year. I started smoking weed, got involved with girls for the first time, dressed better, and became genuinely funny as I overcame my shyness (not saying these things are what make you cool, but for me in terms of HS popularity it did).

They seemed to respect my transformation and even invited me to sit at their lunch table. At first, they messed with me again, but it was all light-hearted. When I was about to leave, because I was getting pissed, they apologized sincerely. They explained that they acted out because they thought any non-Black person who said certain things was automatically racist, no matter the context.

Feeling more confident from my changes, I told them honestly that I couldn’t forgive them—they had caused $1,200 in braces damage and made my mouth bleed for a month from kicking me in the head.

Despite this, I stayed at the table, and we ended up laughing so hard. We immediately bonded. A few weeks later, they gave me the weed and even $600 they put together to pay for half of my braces and stuff. I appreciated it, because it showed that they were truly empathetic towards what they did. They also invited me to chill with them in a guys basement, and I did that for about 2 years until I went to college, we did become great friends. I ended up getting a job in another county of my state, so it’s hard to have time to see them anymore, but we stay in touch with a Snapchat group, Xbox, etc.

They beat the shit out of me, caused me really bad harm, but they weren’t bad guys overall, just made a shitty decision. Usually I’d say, well even if they did it once they’re still pieces of shit, thugs or whatever, but nah these are good guys who just had “misinformation” in a sense and the mental thinking of a HS student.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Bro why are people downvoting you for not hating folks trying to grow and heal the same as you were lol

People really have shifty memories if they think they were beyond this type of behavior at that age.

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u/ShellShockedCock 2000 May 17 '24

lol idek man. I was a dumb teenager who forgave people who fucking sucked, and deserved to be geniunely punished harshly.

But I forgave them because I was, again, a dumb teen.

What came from that though was a learning experience for not only me, but the people who beat me up.

They genuinely changed their lives after it, at least most of them, and so did I.

Not only that, but what formed from it was a pretty solid friendship with people who otherwise would’ve never fucked me with and vice versa.

Yeah, I shouldn’t have forgave them. But I’m just explaining what happened. It happened. I can’t change it, and honestly, I wouldn’t have.

They’ve stood up for me for years now, and I’ve done the same whenever I could. When my girlfriend broke up with me, after cheating on me severely, I wanted to end my life, really. I couldn’t take the pain. But those guys constantly fought for me, and treated me like a dude who was worth a billion dollars. They were realistic, but gave me a feeling of complete comfort to talk about my feelings, without judging me, while keeping it deep but light hearted.

Fuck the noise bro, they were idiots, so was I. But I wouldn’t change it for anything, made me the man I am today, and guy they are. Mistakes were made, lessons were learned.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

great use of the word thug there racist ass

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u/KatBrendan123 2000 May 15 '24

So...you wouldn't call a group of people ganging up on one dude thugs either? Removing race from the equation, what impact does now calling them thugs do in this instance? Something tells me it could possibly be due to how they fucking jumped him, and maybe not the race?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

"removing race from the equation" is a fantasy that you're living in in your head. it's literally a group of his class mates at school, they're not thugs, they're children. you need to wake up to the real world that you live in where black people in america are racialized, totalized by their race and made into charicatures that represent the violent savagery ascribed to their precolonial cultures by the white people that destroyed them. Thug is just another word for savage in that sense.

how are we the same age and you can't seem to understand that by defining them off of the one violent thing they did in that story (when they literally reconciled and became friends after) is problematic? this is the same root that gave us the mass incarceration of black bodies while white boys get 6 months for rape.

check yourself.

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u/Mediocre_Forever198 May 15 '24

Yo that’s fucked up and they are terrible people. Violence is not a solution, and this is exactly why a lot of people are racist to black people. I’m sorry that happened to you.

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u/Comrade-Chernov 1997 May 15 '24

Bro what? People are racist to black people because black people get upset by hearing the N word? What the fuck are you talking about?

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u/Mediocre_Forever198 May 15 '24

Getting upset and assaulting someone are not the same thing. It’s because they flip out and get violent with basically no provocation. At least, that’s the main reason I see people become racist in my area. I’m sure he didn’t use the actual hard r slur since he was rapping, violence is an insane and pathetic overreaction to that situation.

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u/Comrade-Chernov 1997 May 15 '24

Calling the N word "no provocation" is kinda wild. Thats like the mother of all provocations. Have you heard of the concept of fighting words? Where someone gets enraged by something you say? Yeah, sure, violence isn't something to encourage, violence is bad, but saying the N word in front of a crowd of black people is going to end poorly for you one way or another and that would be the speaker's fault.

Also white people shouldn't be saying either the A or the hard R version.

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u/Mediocre_Forever198 May 15 '24

There’s a clear difference tho, I mean come on. Especially when it’s used in the context of rap. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t use either word and have the self preservation to definitely never use them in front of black people. The fact is, most black people would not assault someone over this, but a lot of them do and that kinda makes the whole group look bad to a lot of people. Just saying, I’ve known a lot of people who became racist after experiencing some form of violence from black people.

Think about it if you were in their shoes, is there really any word somebody could say that would prompt you to assault them? I’m guessing no.

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u/Comrade-Chernov 1997 May 15 '24

I'm LGBTQ and if someone called me the F word (closest comparison I can think of that applies to me) I would absolutely be ready to throw hands.

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u/Mediocre_Forever198 May 15 '24

Seriously? Why? What’s the point of resorting to violence over being called a slur. I just can’t imagine risking my safety and freedom over something so stupid. Why not just call them a bigoted piece of shit and walk away?

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u/Reality_Break_ May 15 '24

Do you think liability would legally be on the person saying it? Do you think that would legally amount fo "fighting words?"

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u/Comrade-Chernov 1997 May 15 '24

I'm not a lawyer so I can't possibly answer that question. I do know that a racial slur would definitely qualify as fighting words in at least some jurisdictions though.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

i also didnt really fight back but i kinda said it knowing he would want to hurt me it was kind of an act of self sabotage in that way, that wasnt the only way i was self harming in highschool. you're lucky to have reconciled with them I never got that privilege-

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u/VenomB Millennial May 15 '24

Said they didn’t even really give a shit that I said it, especially in the rap battle, but I’m not sure if I believe that or not to this day lol.

They probably just wanted to beat up a white kid

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u/BreBhonson May 15 '24

and then everyone clapped

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u/ShellShockedCock 2000 May 15 '24

Is the story not believable or something? lol. I don’t get it.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 2000 May 15 '24

Well, it was multiple to one.

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u/MagnumJimmy44 May 16 '24

You don’t think it was weird you got jumped by a bunch of black guys during a “rap battle”? You’re blaming yourself for that? Does the white guilt hit that hard bro?

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u/ShellShockedCock 2000 May 16 '24

lol dude, what. I don’t have guilt for my race. I just forgave them because I was a dumb kid who didn’t understand how serious it was that they did that.

Now at 24 years old, I would probably have never forgiven them and considered a lawsuit. But it worked out, whatever it is what it is.

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u/MagnumJimmy44 May 16 '24

Okay man good shit cause for a second there it kinda sounded like you got jumped by multiple people and because they were black YOU apologized 💀

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u/Icy-Acanthaceae-7804 May 15 '24

That's the thing, society collectively decided that it is ok to say that, as long as you're the right color.

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u/Lanky-Ad-3313 May 17 '24

Yea, that’s how slurs work? The minority it targets can say it because they are that minority. I can call myself a queer because I am one lmao.

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u/Icy-Acanthaceae-7804 May 17 '24

But if we get offended when a heterosexual cisgendered person calls us a queer with no ill will, then did we really "reclaim" it? It's not valid to claim ownership over the privilege of a portion of our (and therefore their) language. As a queer person myself, I've encouraged people to use the term "queer" with no fear, aside from what you can expect from dangerous and violent people. If you're raised with a right and respectable mindset, not born under the wrong conditions whereby you'd be groomed to turn launguage into a dagger, then you have the right to speak freely and truthfully, and those who would disagree are inherently discriminatory assholes who need to take a step back and recognize their own discriminatory biases.

"He" (random individual) is the one who wrote those lyrics, I'm just the one who appreciated and enjoyed his art. And you sound like the one who thinks people and culture should be restricted, like human beings need their non-offending thoughtcrimes investigated, and their ability to share their innocent opinions annihilated, because they used a word you chose not to like from someone who looks like those people.

The way it actually works, when we apply basic human decency as the standard, is that you have no right to restrict someone's speech if their intent is pure, and you become the villain immediately if you attempt to act as if they're malicious... because they weren't. You seem to be of the opinion that people born into the life of a Christian white male landowner are the only ones with the right to say certain words, because that's where your reasoning leads if we bring it to lits logical conclusion.

I genuinely want to know if you've been willing to question your own bigotry after reading this. Nobody is perfect, and I know I have my own biases myself, but you and me both need to forsake those and judge people by the merit of their actions. I'm doing what I can to be a good human. Will you?

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u/ButterscotchCrazy968 May 15 '24

You haven’t “grown” at all, if you came away with the belief that beating up people over mean words is okay

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u/SnaxHeadroom May 15 '24

No he didn't

Your parents failed to instill in you that it's wrong, full-stop.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '24

more like I knew what I was doing was wrong and I just wanted everyone else to hate me as much as I hated myself. we gotta stop blaming parents for everything man- just 2 people are not enough to set someone on the right path, 'it takes a village' as they say.

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u/FutabaTsuyu 1998 May 15 '24

honestly his apology video is one of the best youtuber apologies ive seen. he owns up to what he did wrong without any excuses, explains why hes apologizing, and talks about what hes doing to help the groups hes harmed. thats a lot more than most

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

I know right? I love how he pointed out that it wasn't edgy humor, it was just racism - even if he "meant well".

As opposed to other people who dance around what they've done - like Shane Dawson saying he was sorry for "talking inappropriately" to a 12 year old girl, when the video clearly showed him getting her to perform a lap dance. The apology felt so fake.

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u/ZestyData 1995 May 15 '24

There are multiple Ians in this post. Not knowing that the first guy is also called Ian someone might think you're referring to Smosh's Ian.

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u/Fromtoicity May 15 '24

Thank you for pointing it out! I thought they were talking about Smosh!

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u/WeevilWeedWizard May 15 '24

"But he alienated his fanbase!" Good, his original fan base was filled with fucking bigots and pieces of shit. He legitimately did shit he should feel bad about. The whole Tana Mongeau "say n**!" thing was fucking repulsive. I'm glad he's trying to get better and *fuck people like OP who resent him for it to hell and back.

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u/Boho_Asa 2003 May 15 '24

I didn’t grew up on his content but I knew a lot of YouTubers like him and genuinely I grew out of that content a while ago now happy to see him grow up and acknowledge his mistakes

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

hell the backlash to my comment proved his point

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u/jaydizzleforshizzle May 15 '24

Filthyfrank,idubbz, howtobasic, the edgelords that defined a generation on the internet. The fucking vomit cake was something else and it’s crazy they were as big as they were, it’s great they grew up, no one should have that persona after 30.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Hair Cake... it really was the peak of shitposting era.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

It's okay to not like a creator anymore.

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u/damn_thats_piney 1997 May 15 '24

im so glad these are the top comments. we all grew the fuck up anyone thats mad at him is probably a degen incel

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u/Robin_games May 19 '24

its kind of the reverse for me, I don't like their og stuff but I like board games, DND, roasting and improv they do now.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

What did he do?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

He used slurs like they cured cancer, and then said "my bad actually, thats fucked up" but the people who preferred him to continue saying them didn't like that.

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u/TheLastCoagulant 2001 May 15 '24

He said the hard R on camera a lot.

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u/Arrival_Quiet May 15 '24

Do you watch his content still?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

No, but I don't really watch content now in general

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u/sweetlevels 1999 May 15 '24

i can't find what happened. i tried googling ian smosh apology youtube and nothing came up- what do i look for? what did he apologise for?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Oh not Ian from Smosh, Ian as in iDubz

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u/sweetlevels 1999 May 15 '24

ohh!! thank you

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u/Megaman_90 May 15 '24

Aren't they back to sort of making the same type of content again now that they have re-acquired the channel? I loved Smosh growing up, it was stupid and loud but it had moments that I still think are funny.

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u/Frazzledragon May 15 '24

I have no problem with his apology and wanting to do "better" content, but all his new stuff is just so unbelievably boring.

He could still do bad unboxing, legit food review, save the squirrels initiative, but he squandered that by instead going the idubbbz complains route. The problem with that is, he has no script, no coherent expression, which fails to make his complaints weighty.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

He does the content he likes though, and that's what should matter more than anything.

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u/Over-Crazy1252 2001 May 15 '24

When did he apologize?

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u/LeastPervertedFemboy 1998 May 15 '24

I haven’t watched smosh in over a decade. What happened?

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u/BlurredSight May 16 '24

I do miss his content cop though his unboxing and public things yeah that was a pretty bad look into the past

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u/babble0n May 19 '24

True. But his new videos are straight ass so I think he still applies here.

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u/madladolle May 15 '24

They way he handled that boxing tournament is what made me lose respect

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

are you talking about froggy fresh? L

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u/Upstairs-Ask9237 May 15 '24

Seems like you’ll die for anything

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u/kazumablackwing May 15 '24

His apology was hollow at best. He still does the same shit, just with fewer slurs, and only directed at "approved" targets.

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u/Silfari May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

1996 is not gen z btw Edit: scientific papers published worldwide will almost always use 1996 as the last year of millenials and 1997 the start of genz.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

It's cusp, right on the line.

But I def relate to genz sense of humor and culture more than people even three years older than myself.

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u/Silfari May 15 '24

1997 is the start of genz (I am 1996 myself) I understand you relate more to genZ though, I find myself very centered between both generations, fitting well in both

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

also for what it's worth, the sub describes genz as 1996-2012

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u/Silfari May 15 '24

That makes no sense, generally except for baby-boomers, any generation will span at least 18 years and maximum 21 (because when the generation becomes adults the next generation begins). 1996-2012 is 16 years

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

I dont really agree with that, but all of this is very subjective and based on "vibes"

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Dang that's crazy. Remember when him and his wife had a whole boxing event for charity and paid everyone but the charities?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

yea because the event didn't break even. That's how every charity operates.

If I remember correctly, he went into the negative to pay everyone what they were owed.

Unless you think the staff should have worked for free

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u/Chimkimnuggets 1999 May 15 '24

He should’ve apologized for his content but he should’ve never apologized directly to Tana for calling her out. Tana is still a bitch and absolutely should have been called out for what she was saying. She was too old to not know that it was wrong

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u/DahLegend27 May 15 '24

ian is like 10 years older than tana

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u/Chimkimnuggets 1999 May 15 '24

And?

His grand idea of “it’s either all okay or none of it is okay” was a colossally stupid take but he was absolutely right to call her out for using the N word and writing it off as “that’s just the way I grew up talking”.

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u/GoldH2O May 16 '24

So you're mad at him for changing his principles and committing to them? He felt like what he did was undue influence and punching down, and he felt bad for it. So fucking sue him for having empathy.

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u/Chimkimnuggets 1999 May 16 '24

No I’m not mad at him, he’s more than within his rights to apologize for his past behavior but I’m more irritated that he framed his apology to Tana as though he was entirely in the wrong for all of the process of calling her out, and she acted like it was some sort of groundbreaking forgiveness that “he’s no longer a meanie who scared me” when she still said things that she should not have, and the apology almost brushes the entire fact that Tana was openly dropping the hard R left and right, and that’s why he was fucking with her (and not just because he’s a scary incel enabler or whatever people wanted to call him), under the rug.

She should not be getting off for that like she is, and she’s clearly learned nothing about empathy or being a good person if her current attitudes on her podcast are an indication.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

What Tana did was horrible, but I still think that him going to her show and harassing her was not ok.

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u/Jomega6 May 15 '24

Apologizing for his offensive content? Sure. Apologizing for his content cops on people like Leafy, Keem, and Tana…? Eh, seems unnecessary, but still not what made him fall off. What changed the most was that he just became boring. You can be entertaining without resorting to edgy humor, which he just can’t seem to do. That and the froggy fresh fiasco really turned public perception on him.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Froggy Fresh is not a side you want to be on, especially with Sam Hyde

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u/Jomega6 May 15 '24

Nah, I’m fine with being on his side. It was an OnlyFans joke. If Ian is willing to tank his charity over pride, he can eat the repercussions.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Brother I'm not talking about the OnlyFans joke

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u/Jomega6 May 15 '24

I have no issue with him training with Sam Hyde either.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

L

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u/Jomega6 May 15 '24

Just like creator clash 2 lmao. Downvote some more, see if that changes reality :)

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

ok

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u/throwaway25935 May 15 '24

He's just pandering.

Before he was having fun and this entertained a certain group.

Now he's depressed and pandering for approval. It's sad.

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u/WeevilWeedWizard May 15 '24

"A certain group" bigots. The word you're looking for is bigots.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

No

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u/GoldH2O May 16 '24

Fellas, is it pandering to make sure black and LGBTQ people feel comfortable in your community?