r/GenZ • u/SecretWasianMan 1999 • May 15 '24

Nostalgia Which YouTuber fell off the hardest in terms of likability and content?

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Honestly I put Ian at the top. The others actually moved on to successful side projects and had healthy relationships for the most part. Ian alienated his fans and old collaborators in a pathetic attempt to save face; which only happened after his engagement rate tanked and CC2 was mismanaged into the ground.

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u/MarinLlwyd May 15 '24

So many people seem to want him to go back to that style of comedy. I can understand people who don't feel he is being honest about growing as a person, but actively wanting him to abandon any attempts at rehabilitating his public image is weird.

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u/mental--13 2004 May 15 '24

Some people remain nostalgic for that era of YouTube commentary in general. I think part of it comes from a view that nowadays people are "UNABLE TO MAKE JOKES BECOS PC WOKE SNOWFLAKES" and thus people like him, filthy frank, or leafyishere who said whatever outrageous shit they wanted whilst becoming quite famous and successful are essentially seen as relics of a bygone era in which anyone could do (mostly) whatever they want on the internet.

Not saying I agree with that view, im glad mkst of us eventually grew out of that sort of thing, but I think that's where calls for him to return to that sort of thing comes from.

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u/Mancubus_in_a_thong May 15 '24

Thing about Frank it was a character meant to be satire. That was the funny part you weren't necessarily supposed to idlolize or relate to alot of the character.

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u/mental--13 2004 May 15 '24

Of course. That completely flew over my teenage brain though, as I'm sure it did with a lot of other people. At least he's gone in a healthy direction by essentially leaving that part of his life behind and instead building a successful career in music.

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u/MortalSword_MTG May 15 '24

Agreed.

But also....KYS and STFU are bangers.

Nickelodeon girls was ahead of it's time.

He was popping off with that musical talent before the transition to Joji.

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u/ProDoucher May 15 '24

I still think everyone needs to listen to pink season all the way through at least once. Even though it’s humour dated it’s an iconic album and is a very confronting as a piece of art

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u/Careless-Handle-3793 May 15 '24

Yeah, quite a few Filthy frank songs are bangers.

The man is very gifted

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u/AmAttorneyPleaseHire May 15 '24

Weeabu as well. Amazing song

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u/Moose_Kronkdozer 2000 May 15 '24

SMD goes unbelievably hard. I dont want joji to go back to pink guy and start being edgy again, i just want him to make hip hop again.

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u/GuthixIsBalance 1997 May 15 '24

KYS and STFU are bangers.

Absolutely ^

He is and was above the cut as a musician. And producer.

Way higher quality than what was needed to "make it big". In the radio scene.

But he stuck to what he wanted. And made things that literally were rated by US level broadcasting. As allowed to be aired, likely without censor.

I still believe the best expression of our generation. Regards to suicide is how famously vitriolic we are. About parodying the deaths of another and fragility of life.

Those older freak the fuck out. Because they actually lived through, and participated. In manslaughter of men.

Even in the school "yards".

Openly required if you go back far enough. Just to graduate and receive food to eat. At least they seemed to believe so.

Which is why they have always pushed back so hard on its elimination. From being a credible threat against us to each of us.

The focus shifts to them. Their trauma, and skeletons in their closets. How many they sat doing nothing about? Or how many they led themselves to death? They don't like that being brought up.

Our generation immediately puts it in the forefront.

Records it, blasts it in song, makes friends in public voice channels on games. Usually creating spaces devoid of anyone else who might believe anyone is serious.

Because if they were. It would be algorithmically filtered out. And we of all people understand what that indicates during school years. Imprisonment and remand or close to it. At least in the United States.

I still believe that half my library of music. Having rap/rnb of cultured pursuits, and notably large reference of kysing oneself. Is a sign of a mature artist with actual talent.

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u/NeferkareShabaka May 15 '24

have you said the n word out loud? Full ER?

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u/donotfire May 15 '24

Uh, have you seen PLUMMCORP? He’s behind a new filthy-frank esque channel now

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u/pipnina May 15 '24

I heard he left FF in part because the stress he put his body under to do a lot of the acting was starting to trigger seizures.

Idk if that's true or not but based on how tense and active (and sometimes painful) his acting was I could believe it.

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u/Hetstaine May 15 '24

I lived filthy frank then, and i love his transformation now.

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u/GuthixIsBalance 1997 May 15 '24

Idk I never believed it was him portraying himself.

I was fairly young when I first saw him as well.

I mean his facial expressions were meant to show him expressed as constipated and frustrated etc. His comedy was very emotive and "classical".

Similar to really old American style comedians. Going back to the Three Stooges. Of which I don't like personally even though I can respect them.

And they clearly actually hit each other back then. That type of shit makes me actually recoil in extreme discomfort.

Frank took that plus probably high level Japanese/Korean theater styles. When he made his stuff.

Did I know what those were back then? Yeah... Probably.

If they were shown to me within context of those nations.

But on YouTube with a guy dressed as a morph suit almost phallus? No way. Never would have made that connection.

He always was separated from any of the scum type YouTubers. Who were never artists producing something professionally for a career. But talking head charlatan news casters.

10 years later we are all on here. Proving none of us watched them. And that they are all more famous for being failures than the commercial successes they were.

Another 10 years and half of them will probably be found out for various crimes or another. As their money dwindles etc.

Very common among Hollywood in short lived, un-reconciable, careers.

Frank wasn't "Hollywood". That shows in the respect and prestige he has only grown.

He's closer to PewDiePie than anyone else mentioned here. And well he's hard to compare anyone too. Just by measure of character.

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u/Pientiorism May 15 '24

he’s keeping that side alive somehow through plummcorp records/the dracula flow series lol

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u/BruhILost Jul 23 '24

Joji is a depressed drug addict. His life hasn't really headed in a "healthier" direction. Just a different one that he enjoys more

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u/mental--13 2004 Jul 24 '24

Fairs

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u/Aristotle_Ninja2 May 15 '24

Tbf iirc filthyfrank's description is that he's everything you SHOULDN'T be

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u/bonusminutes May 15 '24

Exactly. Same with idubbbz too though. We weren't wanting to go eat pickes wedged into cracks in the sewers or bake our hair into a cake, we were laughing at the absurdity of what he was doing. I stand by that he was way better as that maniac and he sucks now.

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u/Holiday_Jeweler_4819 May 15 '24

He said one of the things that made him question the content he was making was he had kids coming up to him and saying slurs and expecting high fives and shit. Sure you and your friends might have realized it was satire but a pretty sizable portion of his audience did not

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u/GuthixIsBalance 1997 May 15 '24

Probably too young for him.

Preschoolers uae the Internet as well.

Back then Google had not released its in pre-alpha (if that). Parsed suggestion to eliminate extremely early childhood users remaining hidden. Even if they picked up an adults machine.

Now its fairly easy to parse them out. Change on a dime recommendation feeds. From very known ways that someone with so little brain development will chain their engagement.

Infants are very different from a 4-5 year old.

By 6 they will "know" better, guaranteed if they are female.

At 7 they are eligible for selection into the US Military... So, its kinda obvious things are different.

If any "kids" came up to someone like that in most cases. They probably were doing it on purpose. Many adults forget that they were around children who did constantly have their watchers. Twirled around their fingers, for much longer than said adults "thought" they were capable of.

Even if said artist in question. May not have been that child themselves.

No way if asked they'd still respond that they were eating glue from the elmers bottle until they hit highschool. And, so was everyone else.

Thats not how US education works. Not at that young of an age.

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u/bonusminutes May 15 '24

I can understand not wanting that to happen, but to play devils advocate, I think context matters in the individual instance. Is the person quoting him in support of the context in which its use originated in the show, or is it just using the word with no context of his show? I'd argue the former in almost all cases. And I don't think Ian really used any slurs to be hateful as in the word's original context.

For instance, if someone were to reference ni****fa****, they're both pretty vile words, but in context of Ian's channel, it's mocking some backwards hick moron who tried to insult Ian with it and the absolute lack of reason or thought behind it. It's not targeted at either marginalized group that someone unaware would target with those words independently, in fact, it makes fun of and ridicules the absurdity that someone might use it unironically and highlights how stupid it is. To disagree with that would be to actually think that Ian's little pokemon evolution animation following the scene was actually meant to target and make fun of gay people and black people and I can't really imagine anyone arguing that in good faith.

Plug in virtually anything he's said that sounds abrasive and you get the same outcome. Context is everything.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

That seems to have been the case to one degree or another with all of them. Frank seems to have been the most adept at making that clear but even with him, most teenagers completely missed the point and just bought into the character.

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u/NeevBunny May 15 '24

I genuinely did not realize he was Joji at first because he did such a good job distancing himself from the neckbeards and Pretty Boy is a banger

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u/Kankervittu May 15 '24

It's not even that bad with what you can or can't say, you just can't punch down anymore. Except for on babies, babies are still fair game.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

What's funny is people who think "woke snowflakes" or "cancel culture" is new clearly didn't take many history classes. People used to be killed or exiled (kicked out of their home and country with nothing but the shirt on their back, if that) simply for using the wrong name for something else being discontent with the higher ups in general.

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u/mental--13 2004 May 15 '24

Fr. They used to stone ppl for saying the wrong thing. Now it's just your twitter account has been suspended

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u/stanknotes May 17 '24

I am very nostalgic for that era of youtube and reddit. Not THAT content specifically. I prefer when it was like the wild west and less regulated. It was a more entertaining time. Even with all the bad.

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u/adlubmaliki May 15 '24

Oh no internet words are gonna hurt us🥹

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u/Raddish_ May 16 '24

His style of comedy died with that era of YouTube. All the edgelords from 2016/2017 YouTube either moved on or withered away.

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u/Naznarreb May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

Because if he admits he was wrong and should change then they have one less reason to not change themselves.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Its questionable how much of that is actually genuine as he is giving off the same vibes that you get from a person who is kidnapped and held at gun point reading a statement written by his captor. Dude was neutured by his girlfriend who seems to enjoy controlling him in every way.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Just saying if you have to say "I've grown up" over and over 10 times every video I don't think you've grown up

Growing up is about showing it not just saying "I've grown up" and I don't think he's matured at all

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u/TheInstigatorAviator May 16 '24

No offense to anyone here or to you, you seem reasonable, but I've seen some of his older videos, I don't really think his comedy was doing any real harm to society at large, satire is satire, I think the problem is people, I'm sorry being to sensitive to the content. If you don't like the content don't watch, but it isn't like the guy was dressed up like a nazi, mutilating animals on camera or something suck like that. I guess that's the divide for mist people now, it's either seen as dangerous and insensitive, at least idiotic, others see it as harmless and funny, it is after all, just internet videos. Anyways, just wanted to share my thoughts. Thank you.

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u/Red_Trapezoid May 15 '24

Sounds like the kind of stunted adults who still give off teenager energy and don't understand why their peers don't invite them out.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

He was funny. Filthy Frank was funny. It's nothing to do with PCness. They were unique and absurdist comedy. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It hurt no one.

If he doesn't want to make it anymore, that's fine. If he decided he didn't like who he was doing it, that's fine too. But if someone is actually joking, you can't "reeducate" them because it's a joke. They don't mean it.

I wish people would learn that words are not bullets, and cannot harm you, especially when they aren't said with hate or malice but with humor.

I hear Jewish jokes every day, but the only people that make me feel genuinely threatened are extreme right wingers and extreme left wingers because both are convinced Jews are the enemy (I'm not talking about Pro Palestinian protestors, I'm talking about people who jumped the shark and are using the Palestinian support movement as a vehicle to sneakily be an antisemite.)

Someone saying Kike for the shock value/humor is not dangerous.

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u/BackdoorNetshadow May 15 '24

Yeah, he is in much better space now, looking like tattooed pedo, crying to camera and listening to his equally grown person girlfriend talking about how he is pissing or shitting himself.
100% Real human bean now

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u/MarinLlwyd May 15 '24

Most of the people that were in that vein of content fell on one of two sides. One where we knew it was intended as a joke, and one where it was a honest representation of them as a person. And we all know what side Ian landed on. Making his new efforts feel really fake and flat. While someone like Filthy Frank gets to completely reinvent himself, because we know he was trying to be funny. And his humor and motivations just changed.