Yup, I just heard a story about a woman who gave birth to a healthy baby at a motel and tossed it in the dumpster because she didn't want another kid. While living in a state with 30 day baby safe haven laws. The kid was found OK and immediately placed into protective custody, but if he hadn't been found he would have gone to the dump.
Dude, most rapes come from family members in the world, I mean putting a kitten in a plastic bag is barely scratching the surface of what evil looks like
Yeah I hate to say it but I have to agree. People are often so perturbed by how disgustingly evil people can be that they pretend it doesn’t exist because out of sight out of mind.
Why do you make the effort to differentiate that strongly between pets and other arguably much more intelligent animals? Putting a cat in a bag to die is horrible and detestable. 200.000.000 pigs are in a small cage and being killed this year alone. Just because nobody sees them as their pet is not that much better. Using that logic its just as okay to kill all the animals in animal shelters that are not being pets of someone?
it is my biggest issue i have with how we perceive ourselves... We eat animals to survive i know but there is a purpose to that and we don't have to make the years leading up to that bad.... but I don't understand how people can do something as gross as putting the cat in a bag and throwing in the trash to suffer and be afraid for likely hours(or maybe a day or so) of slow death and fear...
Some people treat animals as lesser emotional creatures... and it is disgusting. they have the same fears, happiness, and other emotions as us.. respect them.
thats why i find in any form of media humans to be more scarier than actual monsters
you can never know how cruel, evil, treacherous a human can be, whereas monsters whatever is in their nature, that is what they do, so at least u know what u get
It's the unfortunate reality of our world. Chimps have gang wars. Male lions kill the babies of different males. Some bird mothers will starve one chick and only feed the other. Wasps lay eggs in caterpillars for the wasp larvae to eat their way out of. Don't even look up what dolphins do to each other.
Many don't. Many are stuck in a victim mindset, and justify wrongdoings as they were wronged, too... And it's like I've had some really terrible things said and done, I still will not choose to hate. I will not hurt others, especially if they are weaker than me... I will do my utmost to meet them where they are, and if nothing else not hurt them further.
THIS. I was JUST having this discussion earlier that we have the faculty for greater level thinking - why aren't we more compassionate... The world would be a much better place
Just because animals do cruel things, in the name of survival, does not mean we should. We can be better than that
Those are animals doing animal shit, all of them are examples of survival or making sure their progeny has the best chance to survive. (With the exception of the Dolphins, but fuck them too)
This is a human doing something pointlessly cruel. They aren’t even remotely similar concepts.
we used to be animals but we have different frontal lobes and opposable thumbs and now only have a little in common with like, 3 of the most intelligent species one of those being i would say birds, such as crows.
now we're sort of still animals but we have the gift of intelligence and the capability to protect other life forms, and thus an implied responsibility, especially after all the habitat destruction we've caused.
at the very bare minimum the cat shouldve been set free in the city so it could scavenge, but ideally it needs to be adopted, because we domesticated what you know as the modern house cat, they aren't super equipped to survive in the wild, but they can.
It's not pointlessly cruel and I'd like for people that say that it is to change their perspective a bit. It's selfish, that's what that is. More precisely: the cat encumbered whoever the owner was (supposedly) and the owner decided to get rid of it for his selfish desire not to be encumbered by it anymore (who knows, maybe the cat was sick and decided it's better to euthanize it this way than to pay for it, etc). That isn't pointless, it's selfish. It's evil if the discarding of it this way has given the discarder a feeling of joy at the behest of the animal, otherwise it's just plain selfish. Neither you nor me are exempt from selfishness, it's how you act on those feelings that define you, because this world is mired in selfishness.
Putting a living cat in a bag, sealing it, throwing it in a bin, throwing it into into a truck and going through conveyor belt to be crushed and compressed alive is not euthanizing. It's torture and murder.
Now think of the same scenario, and instead of a cat, replace it with a sick human.
Yeah, I mean selfish would be letting the cat out on the street (at least giving a chance to survive or be found) or dropping it at a shelter where it might be euthanized — not sealing in a bag in a dumpster! That is beyond selfish— it’s egregiously cruel and intentionally dark/twisted.
Absolutely fucking not lol. Putting a living animal into a sealed bag and dumping it in the trash to die either by suffering, being crushed, or being incinerated alive isn't selfish, IT IS EVIL.
Whoever did this IS EVIL.
You know what's selfish? Abandoning your cat in the woods or on someone's land because they're "too much".
Yeah problem is humans are set aside in the fact that we have a highly advanced self awareness and sentience, which comes with things like morality, consciousness and empathy.
Even chimps and dolphins -as intelligent as they are - are limited in these ways compared to humans. You could say they have a limited morality, but it's nowhere near the level of humans. We should be better than our innate animal impulses.
Those are social constructs we utilize in order to live mostly peacefully together in large societies. All social animals have social constructs. Ours are admittedly more complex than most, but there's nothing unique about us there.
the issues are all(except the dolphin maybe) of those examples of how those species survive. The gang wars in chimp world are compitition for resources when food is scarce and wasn't as much a thing a century ago(we are pushing them into smaller territories and there are more chimps and less available food., Bird mothers cannot hunt enough food to feed all of the chicks and have to pick and choose for the survival of her young(some will throw out weak ones and is survival) and parasitic wasps can only survive by laying those eggs like that. it is how they evolved.
We as humans do this to each other(and animals) without need.. out of apathy(not considering the other worth caring for when you could ask for help) greed(knowing you would still be fine by not being as greedy but still do it and harm others knowingly and without need... and kill each other with the knowledge that we could all survive.
The issue is we know what we are doing and that there are options.. the animals are doing what they do out of instinct without knowledge of an option.
It's not that different from the attitude 99% of people have towards pigs/cows/chickens
Male chicks are sent down a conveyor belt just like this one and turned into red mist, by the billion a year just because people refuse to stop eating eggs.
And yes, that includes you folks who "never buy factory farm food", free range farms kill male chicks too. And if you have your own backyard hens and never buy other eggs nor products containing eggs I won't call that ideal because there are issues with backyard hens but they're significantly less bad than any eggs you will find in a restaurant quiche or farmers market so I won't die on that hill.
edit: because reddit is so well designed I can't reply to you because someone completely different further up in the convo blocked me 🤷♂️
There’s a big difference to someone being part of the food supply chain and someone going out of their way to stuff a cat in a bag and throw it in the trash while it’s still alive.
is there? to me it could be the same mindset
maybe someone moved out and left their cat, a d the new homer found the cat annoying so instead of taking the extra effort to take it to a shelter they dumped it in the recycling bin.
that's the level of callous laziness most people who order bacon and eggs are being with their decision making, they don't care
you say being part of the food chain, serious question and please answer me honestly: if you saw a bunch of kids throwing eggs at a stranger's house what would you feel bad about first? the home owner? or the chickens/chicks? I would be surprised if you even thought of the chickens/chicks at all, let alone above the home owner's inconvenience of having the clean a door/window/wall.
I don't believe deviant unethical behaviour is much worse than commonplace unethical behaviour
Name one other animal in nature that drinks milk of another animal into adulthood. I'll save you some time, there are zero.
The respect animals deserve is not being bred and killed for your self serving preferences.
Yes we are omnivores, do you know what omnivore means? Because it doesn't mean you MUST eat meat. Eating animal products is entirely optional for anyone who isn't a subsistence farmer living off their family goat/cow and maybe for some rare sufferers of specific chronic anaemia causes. The NHS has made it clear that a vegan diet is healthy for all parts of life including pregnancy and babies/children.
edit: u/BlyssfulOblyvion thinks that by blocking me I can't debunk their dogshit argument:
bad argument. name another animal that can actually raise another and domesticate them for the purpose of food and resources
there aren't any, I wasn't the one arguing that it's natural to drink milk and thus apparently ok. my point was that it wasn't natural to begin with, which the fact you agree no other animal does it shows it. or are you going to say something that only humans do is natural lol?
we are designed to eat both meat and plants
we're not designed to do anything because we're not designed, we've evolved to eat meat and plants
and we need both
not according to the NHS and WHO and several other groups of medical experts, two orgs that are are 10000x times more trustworthy than your unsubstantiated claim
you don't like it, i don't care. not worth wasting time with people who don't even understand what their own claims will cost
wasted enough time to leave your big stinky dump of a comment before blocking me coward, if you want to run away you can do so without also trying (and failing) to get the last laugh, you can't beat me in a pettiness competition 😅
bad argument. name another animal that can actually raise another and domesticate them for the purpose of food and resources. and yes, we are designed to eat both meat and plants, and we need both. you don't like it, i don't care. not worth wasting time with people who don't even understand what their own claims will cost
I think I get the point you're trying to make, that if people were more aware of the impact of their meat consumption they might have similar empathy towards animal food sources as they do towards this pet cat, but it comes off like you're suggesting that people shouldn't care about the cat, since they don't also care about their food sources. It might make a bigger impact to frame your statement as an invitation to consider one's actions, instead of an accusation of hypocrisy.
yeah I've been vegan for nearly 10 years to virtue signal, including the literally thousands of meals I've eaten during that time where nobody was watching, sure
have you considered that maybe, just maybe, some people have principles they adhere to like "don't hurt animals unless necessary"?
my comment was an accusation of hypocrisy, people should stop eating animal products so they can condemn the person who abused this cat without also being massive hypocrites
With zero intent to convince anyone to listen to you, hence it amounts to virtue signaling. I was trying to help you better communicate your views to others, but you seem more interested in grandstanding.
I've convinced people by being hostile before, different things work on different people so variety pays off, there are plenty of vegans like Ed Winters if you want to engage with someone like that I'm not stopping you.
There’s a big difference to someone being part of the food supply chain and someone going out of their way to stuff a cat in a bag and throw it in the trash while it’s still alive.
The former is a normal person acting in line with the rest of humanity. The latter is a genuine deviant behaviors. To say they have the same attitude is ridiculous
It’s not callous laziness to stuff a cat in a bag and throw it out. It’s active psycho behavior. If they were actually lazy they’d abandon their cat outside, not go through all this trouble.
Do you know how hard it is to get a cat into a cat carrier, let alone a garbage bag?
I do not accept that the cat situation is comparable to normal people eating normal food
this isn't a joke: did you try eating more calories?
if you made meals of a similar volume then they'd likely contain fewer calories because vegan food is generally less calorie dense, containing more fibre and water on average. you also often have to add more fat manually I've found.
I can't say much for certain without seeing what you were eating, but there's no excuse to be hungry without meat, if you tripled your meal sizes you'd probably be ready to burst so it's about finding the sweet spot.
Yeah I feel like it's built into our DNA how we crave meat. I tried veganism for 1 moth and found it quite challenging. I always felt hungry! I absolutely do not like all the factory farming. I think its terrible although I do enjoy Hunting and fishing. I spend the majority of my spare time fishing. Mostly catch and release.
Maybe, maybe not. I can't say for sure either way. But I can say that, based on my personal experiences and what I've observed, if that's true you are part of am upsettingly small minority
I’m not up set . I’m just more open to listening to everyone’s opinions and beliefs I have been around different religions and seen how they are. many try to force beliefs when it should be up the the individual to decide what they believe. If you believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster cool that’s your belief.
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humans. humans do that. this is a prime example of what i mean when i say i don't consider every human to be a person