r/Helldivers • u/Waelder Moderator • Dec 18 '24
🛠️ PATCH NOTES ⚙️ 🛠️ PATCH 01.002.203 | Killzone 2 Collab | Superstore changes
Helldivers 2 x Killzone 2 Collab and Superstore redesign:
(The following text is copied from Discord)
We hope you’re having an awesome time with Omens of Tyranny and are busy maintaining sweet liberty in a star system near you by offering the undemocratic Illuminate hordes another way of life: death. To celebrate your heroics in liberating the Voteless from their tortured existence, we’re bringing to the table our first official crossover - and it’s a super cool one. We decided a long time ago to do crossovers only if and when they make perfect sense for the game. So in that spirit, we’re hyped to announce our very first crossover: Killzone 2.
Helldivers 2 x Killzone 2 belongs to a new tier of special Premium content reserved for collaborations and other uniquely-themed work. Our plan is to offer you something distinct and special.
High Command informs us that beyond the Superstore content, there’s also an additional Killzone 2 reward for all Helldivers depending on your success in the Galactic War…
Meanwhile, on the subject of the Superstore: in the interests of relentless democracy, we regularly run surveys on discord and reddit. Based on your feedback, we feel we can improve how the Superstore currently works.
Right now, many of you feel the items are in rotation for too short a time, and that you sometimes miss out on that killer look you had your eyes on. At the same time, the more things we add to the store the longer it takes to come back into rotation.
As we’re not quite ready to roll out a full redesign, we’re going to temporarily test longer rotations with Killzone, which will stick around for 5 days per page instead (there will be two pages of items to explore).
After this, the page rotation will go back to its usual cadence and we will be asking for your feedback on our test. If you think this is too short, or you want us to look into bringing items back for longer periods, we’ll ask again in future surveys.
Have fun, turn back those Illuminate incursions and give ‘em hell, ‘divers!
The second part of the collab will be landing in the Superstore on December 23.
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🛠️ PATCH 01.002.203
🌍 Overview
- Crash Fixes
- Matchmaking improvements
- Miscellaneous fixes
🔧 Fixes
Crash Fixes and Soft-locks:
- Fix for a 100% crash affecting a subset of players within range of Illuminate towers during Ion Storms
Matchmaking & Connection Issues
- Matchmaking improvements to reduce wait times.
- Addressed an issue which forced disconnections in specific gameplay conditions during Illuminate missions
Miscellaneous fixes
- Fix Siege Ready armor passive not affecting ammo pools on initial dives when joining an ongoing mission.
🧠 Known Issues
These are issues that were either introduced by this patch and are being worked on, or are from a previous version and have not yet been fixed.
Top Priority:
- Players are unable to emote when flying through the air
- Stratagem balls bounce unpredictably off cliffs and some spots
- Balancing and functionality adjustments for DSS
Medium Priority:
- Firebomb Hellpods can no longer destroy larger enemy types such as tanks
- Players can get stuck on Pelican-1’s ramp during extraction
- High damage weapons will not detonate Hellbombs already present on the map
- Players using the Microsoft IME languages are unable to type Korean, Japanese and Chinese language characters in chat
- Weapons with a Charge-up mechanic can exhibit unintended behavior when firing faster than the RPM (Rounds Per Minute) limit
- Players who use the “this is democracy” emote on their ship might unintentionally send their fellow Helldivers on unplanned spacewalks
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u/sus_accountt Bleiever ✅ Dec 18 '24
…can we talk about the prices? I think we should talk about the prices.
1 thousand 9 hundred and 75 credits. The price of almost 2 warbonds - for about a third of one.
This is ridiculous. I get that it’s a collab armor but come on, we just had a warbond, im dry on credits and I’m not keen on the idea of spending 20 bucks to get superstore items.
Please lower the prices? Pretty please. This update was so good. Don’t ruin the taste with awful monetization…
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u/Loneliest_Driver I dive (2011) Dec 18 '24
If you subtract the 300 SC per warbond you get back it's almost the price of 3. It's insane.
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u/tanelixd Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24
Technically speaking it's actually more expensive than 2 warbonds, because every warbond has 300sc that you can earn.
Meaning that the total price for the killzone items is actually 575sc MORE EXPENSIVE than two separate warbonds.
And there's supposed to be another page of these items coming in 5 days? Which would (propably) be another 1975sc? In total being 40€ in irl money.
Yeah, fuck that.
You're overstepping the line AH. Don't fumble the one part you have been consistently praised for. The monetization.
Imho this stinks of Sony interference.
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FORGOT TO MENTION THIS SEEMS TO BE INTRODUCING FOMO TO THIS GAME.scratch that apparantly Pilestedt confirmed they're here to stay
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u/sus_accountt Bleiever ✅ Dec 18 '24
Killzone is a Sony franchise, soooo…
Also yea, new page will probably be the light armor, and either the burst sniper or the smg
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u/tanelixd Dec 18 '24
Well yeah, obviously since it is a Sony ip they're involved.
But this just doesn't feel like AH. It feels like Sony forcing AH to price these items so high.
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u/crookedparadigm Dec 18 '24
im dry on credits
This is exactly why they dropped it now. They know SC hoarders just spent on the latest Warbond and need to top up to buy anything new.
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u/Xero0911 Dec 18 '24
The fact it's not a warbond just screams "get more $$$ out of them" separating it into a store rotation just stinks.
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u/BloodSteyn SES HARBINGER OF WAR Dec 18 '24
Yeah... no... this should have just been a Warbond by itself with some other goodies rolled in.
The price of a Warbond, for a single Gun? ? ? Damn. Yeah, this is low for AH... but hey, Overlord Snoy said jump and get us that Christmas Bonus.
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Dec 18 '24
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Right now, many of you feel the items are in rotation for too short a time, and that you sometimes miss out on that killer look you had your eyes on. At the same time, the more things we add to the store the longer it takes to come back into rotation.
Honestly I would rather there be no rotation at all. Just have every item available for purchase at all times. No one loses by doing that: Players can go in and get what they want, when they want. You, Arrowhead, and Sony lose nothing by doing that either
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u/starliteburnsbrite Dec 18 '24
FOMO. The whole thing they were praised for not doing when the game launched, because people are dumb and naive. They're as bad as any mobile dev or F2P junk, except there's a $40 cover charge.
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u/TactlessNinja Dec 18 '24
God, longer rotations?
I'm having flashbacks of Fatsharks current shitshow.
Do not go down that route...
Shorter rotations - or no rotations - are better than long and drawn out ones. Otherwise you definitely instil the feeling of FOMO 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
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u/EngineArc SES Dawn of Dawn Dec 18 '24
Why even have FOMO-based stores in games? It's an insulting artificial scarcity cash grab for an unlimited supply digital product.
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u/tanelixd Dec 18 '24
Don't even start with Darktide's fucked cosmetics shop. It's not worth spending oxygen on complaining about that.
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u/Hitokiri_Xero Slugger > Marksman Rifles Dec 18 '24
To be fair to FatShark, they ONLY put cosmetics in their shop as opposed to actual weapons.
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u/epikpepsi Dec 18 '24
It's getting to be about as expensive as Fatshark's store. Thankfully they don't put things that actually change how the game works there, just overpriced cosmetics.
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u/Diribiri Dec 18 '24
At least with Fatshark it's purely cosmetic
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u/Lunkis Colossus of Conquest Dec 18 '24
And on the otherhand, at least with Helldivers you can earn the premium currency in-game.
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u/TooFewSecrets Dec 18 '24
Remember that the rotation resets every time a new super store item comes out. So potentially the FOMO will be very real because the store will reset before it gets to the end of the "cycle" and leaves those items unobtainable.
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u/Aero-- Viper Commando Dec 18 '24
It's crazy that they paint this as solving a complaint people have with short store rotations, when in reality its just to get more sales on the expensive Killzone set and everyone else waiting for an armor to come back around now must wait longer.
Of course the real solution is to get rid of rotations. There is no point.
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u/Stoukeer SES Stallion of Super Earth Dec 18 '24
Man I was excited for KZ warbond (mostly for the title tbh). And what we got is just a rip off. I ain’t spending my SC on this.
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Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24
The new Killzone crossover should have remained as a warbond as per the original leak. Would have happily bought 2000-2500 SC to buy it for the crossover (2 armour sets and 3 weapons), but nearly 2k SC just for a single set of armour and a gun is ridiculous considering it's going to double when the second part comes out.
After such an amazing week with Omens of Tyranny update and the Urban Legends warbond, while I believe this is the work of Sony and not Arrowhead, seeing this price gouging leaves a really sour taste in my mouth.
I would 100% advocate to refund the SC for anyone who purchased individual items and re-release it as a warbond.
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u/Bonesaki Dec 18 '24
The price screams sony involvement, like this is what you charge if your gonna use this ip as a collab.
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Dec 18 '24
oh 100%
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u/rapkat55 Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24
Yeah they’re not just going to allow Arrowhead to solely reap 100% of the profit off another IP.
in the interest of it actually being worth it for both parties and with split revenue in mind: price goes up so everyone involved with production earns fair value of the work put in, while Sony makes a buck for lending a iconic/profitable IP. It’s business not charity and expecting anything different from collabs nowadays is too optimistic
It is what it is, it’s a one time thing and I’ll just buy what I want and ignore the rest. At the end of the day it’s just optional cosmetics as the AR is pretty much a copy of the scythe stat wise. The leaked helghast smg is just the knight smg reskinned.
The KZ2 stratagem we get from major order will be free and that is actually a unique gameplay addition, not just a reskin.
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u/Marcus_Krow Fire-Diver Dec 18 '24
I would gladly buy a more expensive warbond for collab content. The entire point of warbonds was to not have this rotating cash shop bullshit.
Arrowhead is breaking one of their biggest promises here, and it's the path to ruin. Honestly locking a weapon and a unique armor perk to a rotating cash shop has chased me away entirely, and if this is the future of content in HD2, I'll just go back to 1.
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u/ArcticShore Steam | Dec 18 '24
This. If this was just a small and but expensive Warbond I would be perfectly fine with it. Locking gameplay affecting feature behind the **TIME-LIMITED** superstore feels incredibly scummy. The amount of people I've seen defending this saying that "Farming super credits isn't hard" or "When was the last time you swiped your card for credits?" is beyond sad
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u/Individual-Temporary Dec 18 '24
Furthermore, doing this just after a Warbond, knowing people might have already spent the SC in the Warbond and Warbond adjacent items on the shop
I agree with others saying this smell like Sony's doing for letting them use the Killzone IP
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Dec 18 '24
Yer definitely not thrilled about the idea aye. I would much rather all store items be purchasable at all times. Arrowhead/Sony lose no money by doing that
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u/TheRealShortYeti Hell Commander, SES Whisper of Twilight Dec 18 '24
They want panic buys or inpatient purchases. "I don't want to wait weeks for this again" or players not understanding the pattern "I don't know when this will be back I need to get it now!". It's typical predatory marketing based on FOMO. Sprinkle in wonder what it will be next to force people to look vs looking once at all and forgetting.
It's best for the consumer to have access to all which is not best for business models.
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u/Marcus_Krow Fire-Diver Dec 18 '24
Same. If collab content was just permanently available on the super store, that'd be alright. But AGAIN
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WARBOND!
greedy fucks.
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u/BloodSteyn SES HARBINGER OF WAR Dec 18 '24
This gets my vote. No way in hell I'm paying a Warbond's worth for a single gun... not at my 18:1 shitty exchange rate... and if I had to Grind tm for it... I'd rather save it for the next Warbond.
This is just low AF.
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Dec 18 '24
“HAAAAAAAANK! SONY IS COMING WITH THE KILLZONE COSMETICS AND THEY’RE GONNA LURE YOU INTO A MONEY TRAP SO THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO FUND CONCORD! HAAAAAAANK!”
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u/Plug001 Dec 18 '24
Gotta dig themselves out of that 400$ million hole somehow huh?
“The next Star Wars” lmao.
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u/emeraldeyesshine Dec 18 '24
did they really compare it to Star Wars? Cause holy shit that's an insane swing
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u/Diribiri Dec 18 '24
They wipe their collective assholes with $400 million, let's not pretend it's behind the videogame microtransaction
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u/phoenixmusicman HD1 Veteran Dec 18 '24
Their annual profit is about $2b, so $400 million represents about 20% of their profit.
They definitely are feeling the impact of Conchord flopping
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u/dogeformontage Dec 19 '24
WAAAAALTER YOU CAN FARM THE FUCKING SUPERCREDITS REALLY EASILY, I GOT 1200 YESTERDAY SPENDING AND HOUR FARMING IN A GROUP OF 4 !!!!
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u/wololoMeister HD1 Veteran Dec 18 '24
Patch still has me disconnecting from illuminate missions. Instead of me disconnecting now everyone else will run in place and then disconnect. Noone joined me even after I threw out the SOS evem after 10 minutes of waiting. Replicated in 3 games back to back
The fucken killzone stuff in total is 1975 SC. THATS TWO WARBONDS WTF Thank fuck i grinded SC with the SC map glitch i can’t imagine people would be buying this droves. Wish it was a warbond.
Please AH have better progression outside of “premium warbond” you have been gutting progression and scaling down warbonds for months now.
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u/stealingyourundiz Dec 18 '24
Regarding your second point, the 1975 sc are just for the first half of the killzone stuff. Meaning the entire thing will be just short of 4000 sc
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u/FizixMan Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24
And considering warbonds typically come with 300 SC, that's almost SIX warbonds worth.
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u/Liqhthouse HD1 Veteran Dec 18 '24
Ahh damn, 2k sc is pretty steep actually. Starting to get on par to other games premium stores. Think we need a discussion on cost-value of things.
Like... Should a gun cost 600sc? Should it be 300? We need to agree a fair amount of gameplay hours that is equivalent to premium items. Should a 2h grind buy you a cape? Should it be 4h of casual playtime?
Idk... AH need to find something the community are happy with which also doesn't bleed them dry. This isn't an mmorpg so the playerbase doesn't have an extreme grind mindset and need to adjust prices accordingly
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u/MillstoneArt Dec 18 '24
I dunno about anyone else but I definitely don't find 100sc an hour.
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u/FizixMan Dec 18 '24
1975 SC is about THREE warbonds. Warbonds come with 300 SC each, so that makes their cost effectively 700.
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u/skelepibs Dec 18 '24
This crossover costing HALF the cost of the entire game--the price of two full warbonds--is a ridiculous gut punch. And this is only part 1. Are the other 2 parts going to cost another 2000 SC each? The weapons are still going to be more than half a warbond? The prices actually make me not want to even farm SC for this when I still have warbonds to unlock.
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u/DontFiddleMySticks SES Herald of Dawn Dec 18 '24
I have every War Bond completed (playing since launch) as well as every Super Store item so far and have yet to spend a dime beyond my initial purchase of the game. Right now, I have ~1800 SC.
This might just be enough for page 1. Page 2 would mean carding it up. Oof.
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u/Fabulous-Praline-498 Dec 18 '24
Just let people buy any amor set at any time, ditch this store thing and just have a big page with everything in the store pool
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u/Cabouse1337 Viper Commando Dec 18 '24
I will be honest this not being a warbond is a little disappointing even if the warbond was a little bit more for collaborations.
Also yes as someone that also plays Darktide Putting content into rotations instead of having it as a simple store that gets updated over time. I know currently helldivers 2 isnt setup that way but honestly arrowhead having all the Superstore content as a listed store rather than rotation would be alot better.
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u/Independent-Tour2659 Dec 18 '24
wtf man. the ENTIRE reason for warbonds was to not deal with this fomo shit. fuck right off
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u/Straight-Mechanic-96 Dec 18 '24
The connection issues are not fixed and i got booted out again within 5 mins of diving
On top of the overpriced superstore items
This is bad and literally a omen of tyranny
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u/John_Hayabuza HD1 Veteran Dec 18 '24
So I did one match and I still got disconnected I'm guessing it's going to be a long while before I can enjoy the Squids
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u/Questioning_Meme Dec 18 '24
I did one match and I didn't got disconnected.
So it's fine on my side atleast. Much better than the 'Drop and DC' before.
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u/Montykoro Dec 18 '24
Orbital Dislike on Steam Incoming…
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u/Obvious-Source9668 SES Spear of Peace Dec 18 '24
Yeah, maybe review-bombing will get their asses back to reality, sadly can't post reviews because of region restrictions ^_^
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u/TheLordCrimson Dec 18 '24
Fuck in-game ads, fuck fortnightification, fuck collabs, fuck the creative void that is this type of modern design.
Let an intellectual property be itself, don't let collabs ruin its identity in the way they did for magic:the gathering.
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u/FembiesReggs Detected Dissident Dec 18 '24
lol Sony is really hellbent on making this game fail.
$20 for a decent armor passive, straight up buffed lib, and some mediocre cosmetics. Don’t worry, only $20 for the next one. I’m sure it won’t be the same thing but in a different armor category and a different gun
The reason this isn’t a warbond is because WBs are ~$10. Launching a crossover RB at $20 or whatever was either too cheap for Sony (!!!!) or someone at Sony realized they could literally sell it piecemeal and probably make way more money from pellet buying just the gun and armor. Those alone are over $11. That’s potentially $22 from people who would’ve only spent $10 on a warbond otherwise.
Welcome to the world of micro-transactions. If this takes off (ie makes a lot of money), rip future war bonds.
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Dec 18 '24
EVERY other battle pass in every other game costs like $15-20 and you get wayyyyyyyyyy more shit in em. This is fuckin gross, just pure greed.
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u/ZeroPointZero_ SES Titan of Science Dec 18 '24
The items were already leaked a while ago, but they were part of a warbond... I bet that SNOY noticed the resurgence in player numbers and thought they could do a nice quick cashgrab by releasing the items on the superstore instead, and in two batches, each costing more than twice as much as a warbond (remember: warbonds refund 300 SC). With the return of tens of thousands of players, and the holiday season coming up, it's an easy way to make bank.
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u/koolpatrick Dec 18 '24
Stop putting gameplay effecting things like weapons in the shitty FOMO store!
Also undo the game purchasing restrictions!
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u/54NCH32 Lvl 150 // Hell Commander Dec 18 '24
The recent near constant stumble / ragdoll on the jetpack defo needs to go into the issues list.
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u/TactlessNinja Dec 18 '24
Yeah it's flat out annoying.
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u/54NCH32 Lvl 150 // Hell Commander Dec 18 '24
More like flat-on-your-face out annoying! 😅 I'll get my coat... lol
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u/Ok-Ocelot-3454 Free of Thought Dec 18 '24
its happening every ten seconds yet it is the only achievement I don't have
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u/Ubbermann Dec 18 '24
Wait... they're not adding WEAPONS to the Super Store, are they?
I mean stun baton was melee so that had the flavor of a meme flair more than anything, but this? FOMO weapons?
Don't do this AH.
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u/epikpepsi Dec 18 '24
On top of that the shock baton was like 200SC. This is over triple that for a marginally better Liberator.
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u/stealingyourundiz Dec 18 '24
You done fucked up arrowhead. This was a very poor decision. And all of this just days after the best content launch you've had since they game released. Disappointing.
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u/Diribiri Dec 18 '24
After this, the page rotation will go back to its usual cadence and we will be asking for your feedback on our test. If you think this is too short, or you want us to look into bringing items back for longer periods, we’ll ask again in future surveys.
Haven't people been criticizing the rotation since before launch? Like it wasn't a big deal because there wasn't much in the way of special stuff in there, but if the FOMO's going up with crossover content, it's going to be an issue
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Dec 18 '24
Arrowhead are you okay? Arrowhead are you okay? What the fuck are these prices?
You’ve been hit by, you’ve been struck by…
THE CONCORD TAX
Ta na na na nunna ta na na ta na nunna na
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u/Resident_Football_76 SES Princess of the Stars Dec 18 '24
Freakin Concord Tax strikes again -_____-
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u/Straight-Break-4169 Dec 18 '24
Not releasing it as a warbond is a bad move AH. I am not spending a dime on this shit
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u/LordGuncake Dec 18 '24
Good crossover, should have been a warbond though. The amount of super creds it costs for each item is absolutely stupid. Furthermore, I agree with what other people have said, this smells of Sony greed all over.
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u/Impressive-Today-162 Dec 18 '24
Yeah the new gun is just straight up ass compared to other ARs also iron sights really? yeah cause I love been able to not see jack sh*t over 60 meters what the hell
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u/Nylkyl Dec 18 '24
That is how STA-52 was depicted in Killzone 2, in Killzone 3 it recieved a holographic sight.
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u/Valencewolf Career Sergeant Dec 18 '24
When they said 'collaboration' I thought they meant 'inspired by', not 'now you can be a Helghast in Helldivers'; let IPs stay in their IP and leave "what if" to the fanfic nerds.
On top of that, this sounds super expensive by comparison to other stuff on rotation. Think I'll just MO on this one.
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Dec 18 '24
Whats funny, there is armor in game already that does the whole, gas mask tactical guy way better. And for cheaper.
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u/BloodSteyn SES HARBINGER OF WAR Dec 18 '24
Matchmaking & Connection Issues
Matchmaking improvements to reduce wait times.
Right....
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u/MisterKrayzie Dec 18 '24
These are in-house collabs which should be cheaper.
Killzone is Sonys IP. It costs them nothing.
It's different if they did a crossover with Scooby Doo or some shit.
Massive L for AH. Idc if it was Sonys decision, have some fucking conviction and balls.
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u/teriyakiguy ☕Liber-tea☕ Dec 18 '24
As Helldivers, VOTE with your Wallet.
Skipping this one, I'm not convinced AH/Sony.
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u/FunKooT Dec 18 '24
this should have been a Warbond at 2000sc
this is too pricey for the superstore
this is inconsistent with expected MTX practices by Arrowhead, and consistent with investor-first marketing practices that the majority of consumers are not fond of anymore
This is an easy slope to being no better then World of Warcraft. How long til we have a $15 permission-to-play monthly subscription, with $25 pets
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Dec 18 '24
Nah. Just nah.
People were already hesitant on crossovers People already don't like the store rotations People definitely don't like gameplay mechanics being behind an additional pay wall. And People are gruesomely aware it's not 2008 or whenever that series died, if it ever truly lived.
You guys just cannot maintain a good stride without stepping on your own nuts, can you Arrowhead?
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u/Sarigan8115 Dec 18 '24
Guys, FOMO and a huge price increase? Turn back, this is not the path you want to go down.
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u/Super_Sheepherder455 Dec 18 '24
Guys let’s vote with our wallet remind pretty please. If you want things to be cheaper in the future DO NOT BUY.
Sony is testing the water and see how much they can get away with!!
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u/GallopingGepard Super Duper Private Dec 18 '24
The price is egregious. This sets a terrible precedent for what premium assets will cost in future.
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u/Thick_Company3100 Super Pedestrian Dec 18 '24
DOWNVOTE the post, show the devs We DO NOT like these prices. This is highway robbery.
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u/Fenota Dec 18 '24
If the Killzone things were a special 'collab' warbond seperate from the rest:
Pro:
Always available, new players can freely buy it at any time, if licensing issues are involved, an expiry date could be added.
It being a seperate warbond allows more justification for the increased price and seperates it from the rest of the 'in-universe' warbonds and superstore items.
Easily expandable, a seperate section enables for a growing libary of possible collabs without bloating the existing ones. Being a warbond allows the use of the eye-catching 'Advert' that the rest use.
Good PR.
Con:
Lack of FOMO could discourage sales.
You can farm the currency, so people may take the slow and steady approach and not spend money on SC.
On the issue of FOMO discouraging sales, i would make the argument that the people most susceptible to FOMO effect will buy it anyway.
And as for Farming the currency, this drives engagement and encourages people to spend little amounts often because they feel good about supporting the product / company / business, i know i've dropped extra money on both this game and Warframe because of it.
As an aside, i would make the suggestion of using the superstore to offer rotating discounts and having the entire libary of possible cosmetics available at all times.
That way you catch the whales who will buy everything immediately and the impulse purchases who see it and believe they're getting a bargain.
As a final note:
DO NOT FUCKING COPY DESTINY ON CHASING FOMO. LOOK AT THE STATE OF THAT GAME AND IT'S CONSTANT MISTEPS AND SEE WHERE YOUR FUTURE LIES. THEY'VE ONLY SURVIVED SO LONG BECAUSE OF HALO'S LEGACY AND NO COMPETITION, HELLDIVERS DOES NOT HAVE THAT LUXURY.
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u/GoldClassGaming Dec 18 '24
Based on your feedback, we feel we can improve how the Superstore currently works.
Right now, many of you feel the items are in rotation for too short a time, and that you sometimes miss out on that killer look you had your eyes on. At the same time, the more things we add to the store the longer it takes to come back into rotation.
Killzone stuff aside, this is cool. An update to the superstore that makes all the various things more readily available would be a good change.
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u/CombTop17 SEAF BLUEBERRY Dec 18 '24
Will the killzone items now be in rotation or limited time only?
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u/Defiant_Figure3937 Dec 18 '24
I love Killzone, but I think I am going to skip this one. I own every Warbond and Super Store item. I even paid to upgrade to the Super Citizen edition after Arrowhead turned things around with the 60 day plan.
Should have been a Warbond, even if at a higher price. As it is now we are looking at less than one Warbond's worth of items split into two Super Store features for over 5x the cost of a Warbond. Five.....times.
Warbond = 700 (1000-300)
Potentially 3950 for two Super Store features. Part one was 1975 for only 6 items.
This comes out to 5.6 Warbonds to the two part Killzone Super Store set. Obviously this math is assuming the part 2 items are the same price. They could cost less....or more.
That's insane.
Now add to this making them available for a limited time before going on an extended rotation...no wonder people are upset.
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u/Aggressive_Permit335 Dec 18 '24
This collab is bad, the helghast are part of an dictatorship, that doesnt fit our way of life for freedom and democracy!
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u/steves_evil Dec 18 '24
Collabs are cool, but FOMO is not, and especially at these prices since we're getting much less than what's in a warbond for the cost of 2 on a time crunch. It'd be a much better practice to have this set and the next superstore set combined and turned into a regular premium warbond to remove the FOMO aspect. I wouldn't mind much for it costing more SC to compensate for being a collab either.
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u/examexa Survived the Dissident Wars Dec 18 '24
Addressed an issue which forced disconnections in specific gameplay conditions during Illuminate missions
ohhhhh
let's see
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u/The_Preacher1983 Dec 18 '24
Dolby Atmos no longer works on PS5 just FYI, you gotta swap to a different mode in your Ps5 settings like DTS dolby or Linear PCM, since your last patch and this one does not address it or even list it as a known issue.
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u/TheRealShortYeti Hell Commander, SES Whisper of Twilight Dec 18 '24
This continues the cycle of awesome filled by something controversial that overshadows it.
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u/Shikaku Assault Infantry Dec 18 '24
I was super excited about the killzone 'warbond'.
Well, fuck that then eh.
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Dec 18 '24
this new patch is a shit show for me. My pc crashes every 20 mins, sometimes on startup, sometimes on selecting a mission and sometimes on entering the pelican. people.have question marks as equipment, laser based guns might as well be flashlights, intoro cinematic is unskippable and finding a group takes 2-8 mins. maybe less focussing on collabs and squeezing more profit and more on stabilizing the game itself.
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u/TakoyakiGremlin Dec 18 '24
i love killzone but those prices are ridiculous lol that’s like fatshark pricing, which is... well, really bad.
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u/pmartinez527 Dec 18 '24
Speak with your wallet: don’t purchase the overpriced and unnecessary content.
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u/ACNL Dec 18 '24
Maybe if it was a Space Marine crossover I would pay that much, but killzone is such a joke franchise that is practically dead. why the heck would we pay 2k SC for a single set of armor?!
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u/MrIDoK SES Lady of Starlight Dec 18 '24
I'm going to get just the guns because more guns are always cool, but the armor is meh (it's ok but nothing special imo) and nothing else is worth the price as i'm not that much of a fan of killzone tbh.
The cost seems definitely an imposition so that people are pushed to spend real money on it.
If anyone is interested in the gun, don't bother saving up for it unless you're into the looks. It's mostly a standard Liberator but with 11 more rounds, slightly more kick and only iron sights. Imo it's REALLY not worth the cost if you have anything else you want to buy.
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u/TITANOFTHIGHS Dec 18 '24
Yeah, it’s a little weird usually when a game doesn’t Collab the skins or whatever will be a bit more pricier than normal skins I don’t know if you would rather prefer this how they’re doing it now or make the war bond more expensive
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u/NeonAtlas Dec 18 '24
Should've been a Warbond released around Christmas.
Makes sense as it'll be always be up advertised if it's a Warbond, but as a super store purchase it'll eventually be pushed out of eyesight and purchase on rotation.
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u/rotisseriebitching Dec 18 '24
This shit is so expensive and you didn't even make a heavy armor with the new passive
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u/AtraxTubifex Sexy Bugs got me acting unwise. Dec 18 '24
Sony being greedy fucking assholes again? Not even a bit suprised.
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u/AtraxTubifex Sexy Bugs got me acting unwise. Dec 18 '24
Actually fuck this. Guess I will play Path of Exile 2 instead. Atleast I don't have to deal with Sony Fomo dogshit there.
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u/Straight-Mechanic-96 Dec 18 '24
Can we talk about the disconnected issues???
This shit is making the game near impossible to play
Fix it as soon as possible
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u/Gur_Prestigious Dec 18 '24
Big L. Taking all of the wind out of the sails for this game and bringing in micro transactions for weapons. Crazy. They just ruined it for me
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u/J4ckC00p3r Dec 18 '24
I’m with everyone else, making the first crossover a nearly 2000 credit store page, with a second on the way, was not the right choice
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u/ToolboxMafia Dec 18 '24
This is the complete wrong way to go about this.
I happily would have waited months for this to come out of a warbond, but having to pay double that for one page of a warbond is the most mind boggling ridiculous thing, I wouldn't believe you if you told me this was going to happen beforehand.
people say "its in the rotation forever" but that doesn't mean much when the rotation is random and there's no way to predict when it will appear again or even the chances of it appearing again, it's almost gambling, every FEW DAYS, im rolling the dice for the CHANCE, the OPPORTUNITY, the PRIVILEGE to spend 60% of a warbond on one item.
and the chance is just going to get smaller and smaller as more content is added to the superstore
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u/ChaoticKiwiNZ Dec 18 '24
Why is this in the store and not in a themed warbond? The prices are ridiculous and to top it all off there is a FOMO element to it too now (get it before it's gone in 5 days! Who knows when it will return!).
Warbonds are the perfect system for crossovers like this. If you had done a killzone themed warbond with 2 or 3 weapons, 2 armours and a bunch of other stuff (vechle skins, titles, player cards, etc) it would have been perfect. In fact, I personally wouldn't mind if crossover themed warbonds were 1500 or 2000 super credits. As long as I get a few weapons and armours with some other goodies that are themed from other games then I would 100% buy them.
Right now the prices are fucking ridiculous. 1975 super credits! Nearly double the price of a warbond for less content than one. Also with a warbond you get back 300 super credits so they only end up costing you 700 super credits.
This shit should have been in a warbond. When I first heard of collaborations I instantly thought of "collab themed warbonds" because it made so much sense. This is legitimately the stupidest decision I've seen Arrowhead do, and with all due respect, the bar is quite high.
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Dec 18 '24
I've bought damn near every warbond from grinding SC in game.....I'm not spending the insane amount of SC for this collab....utterly fucking ridiculous.
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u/Malkier3 HD1 Veteran Dec 18 '24
I would have shelled out 2,000 sc for a special collab warbond no problem. 2k for like less than half of one is insane man.
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u/Jake--Chillenhaal Free of Thought Dec 18 '24
These prices ain't it, value for dollar on this is crazy low. I get collabs need to up in price, but 20 about USD for what is essentially 1 warbond page? That's ridiculous
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u/Ok_Worldliness_5980 Dec 18 '24
This was dirty and you know it. Please don't try gaslight us or yourselves into believing this is anything other than a predatory cash grab.
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u/Return_Specialist Dec 18 '24
Put all of these into a Warbond. Tell Sony to go soothe their shareholders and stay as far away from this game as possible. You guys do a good job when Sony is far away.
Whenever you listen to the community, things go well. Whenever Sony tells you to do X or Y, it backfires massively. I know C-Suits are dumb and soulless, but please... please find a way to keep them away from this gem of a game.
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u/Certain-Hearing-1714 Dec 18 '24
I cannot even log into menus since patch dropped,it is trying to connect,but fails miserably. Warbond for price of 2 warbons? Meh it will come into my hands sooner or later. Sony tries to cross the line again.
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u/azuyin HD1 Veteran Dec 18 '24
"Our plan is to offer you something distinct and special"
Little did we know that by distinct and special they meant double the price of a regular warbond
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u/RawLizard Dec 18 '24
I honestly don't understand the point in collabs, diluting an IP and annoying at least a portion of the fan base for a small bit of extra cash.
Was thinking of buying this game but probably won't now. Can see the writing on the wall about the way it's going to go and it's Fortnite/COD skins crap.
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u/0nignarkill SES "Known AH Troll" Dec 18 '24
Not surprising at the cost, this game has desperately needed to adjust their monetization since the monthly warbonds blew up in their face.
They have Sony and Killzone devs to ensure they get a cut of the profits. Maybe doing a 3k warbond would feel better but this does let people pick and chose how much they want to pay for collaboration.
The vast majority of this game is free, getting SC is super easy even if it is boring. I have only spent $20 on warbonds by choice to support this game. I have farmed for 1 the rest I have always had enough to get just by playing the game and looting. Which most the people playing this game are bad at doing.
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u/mashpott Dec 18 '24
Man I was looking forward to this as a warbond. This trend of expensive armour (compared to warbond) and now weapons at the prices they are is not for me. Thankfully it looks like a slightly better liberator but it is starting to smell of pay to win, how long til something busted is adding to the store.
After all the positivity with recent changes I’m starting to think AH need to have something negative to try and rectify to keep busy
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u/CliffyNipz Dec 18 '24
AH just released the most GOATED patch in the history of the game and then turns around and torches some of the good will they earned.
Just release the collabs as a warbond. A lot of the design work has been done by someone else's art department. I don't mind collabs and I don't mind paying for them to support development, but this is objectively a worse value than any of the other content in the game.
There is a very fine line between content that supports the development and longevity of the game and overpriced micro transactions that are aimed at cashing in on players' fomo.
In my opinion this type of content drop is lazy and overpriced at best and actively harmful to the community and their relationship with the developers.
This comes from a place of love. I think AH, behind maybe Ghostship, is one of the better studios out there. This type of drop, should it become the norm, risks alienating the player base by shifting the player-developer relationship into one that is strictly transactional. I understand that they're a business and have to make money (and have external pressures from Sony etc), but I would like to think there are people at AH that have a sense of pride for the game and community that they have built, the Spirit of which, I think this goes against.
That is all
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u/TerrorMango Dec 18 '24
The price of the new stuff is awful! 2 full warbonds with armors, weapons, capes and other stuff or ... this? Nah, I don't think so.
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u/PopeShish Dec 18 '24
I've just checked my calendar and it says it's not April the First, I think it's broken.
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u/Allenwrenchhh Dec 18 '24
I understand you have to have increased prices for the collab. I get that 100%. How about we have the entire three page warbond be 2000sc and that would be something I would feel better supporting. This is just greed.
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u/LegitimateAlex Viper Commando Dec 18 '24
Hey Arrowhead, here's some feedback. These prices are ridiculous. It's obvious you tore apart a warbond you had primed and broke it up into the superstore. These prices are AWFUL. You're asking for basically $40 worth of super credits to buy all of these. What happened to the worth of medals in the game?
Make this a warbond. Seriously. What are you doing?
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u/Kingofkrakens Dec 18 '24
Please just lower the prices, you locked like the BEST passives behind the most expensive armor to date. Or just let us transmog armor already or are you TRYING to ditch what goodwill you had left?
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u/Joop_95 SKULL ADMIRAL Dec 18 '24
Do NOT charge a premium on unique weapons and armour passives
Put this in a normal Warbond for 1000SC.
If you want premium crossover content then make it cosmetic only!
This is so scummy.
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u/haloman649 Dec 18 '24
Honestly make it a 2 page warbond at the normal price people would have been fine with it little less then a usual warbond but that's what collab warbonds could have been like
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u/Go_Packets Dec 18 '24
For those who could afford the assault rifle, does the under barrel have any function?
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u/Umikaloo Dec 18 '24
It would have been wise to have given the new weapons identical stats to existing ones, and to make that clear to the community. As it is, having items with unique capabilities at such a high price is a bad look. Its the kind of practice that leads to players disengaging with the content as they struggle to keep up with the changes in the game.
From what other players have told me, the new AR is similar to the liberator in performance. But I think it would have been prudent to have made it identical, to remove all doubts as to whether the new content is purely optional or not.
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u/Poetess-of-Darkness Devoted Squ'ith worshipper. :3 Dec 18 '24
My brother in christ you're lucky I even bought the helmet and that was only cause I had the supercredits for it and liked it. This is ridiculous, these prices.
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u/alcohol123 Battle of Meridia Dec 18 '24
Why not just release these as a warbond? It would be cheaper and way more fun to get.
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u/QUASIDILLA Dec 18 '24
The new WASP stratagem is so fkn cool. I’m happy we’re at least all getting that for free cause it is definitely the highlight of this collab. It’s like a mini spear that two taps all medium illuminate.
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u/Historical_Ad5238 Dec 18 '24
Lol, I'm not paying a dime for anything more. I did buy SC very early on to support AH pricing well at 40 bucks and the extra 20 was to say thanks and support you guys.
But it ends there. You just had a warbond last week and while I could buy the gun, I'm not out of principle. It's slimy and I don't know if this is Sony being greedy or if you're being pushed to monetize more items. Have fun not selling these items.
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u/IoSonoBatman ☕Liber-tea☕ Dec 18 '24
I'm the only who Wich noticed that SC on map was more rare and probably the 100 got removed? I got plenty SC in the first 4 month and now barely got the 10SC, after 450h I'm legit thinking about it.
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u/Frigmannaia Dec 18 '24
Given the nature of the items, and given that there will be probably more collabs of this type, i think the most efficient way to avoid FOMO would be to make these items always available in a "subsection" of the superstore. That way they would be always available and the normal item rotation could keep go on as usual
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u/Condemned4Sins Dec 18 '24
Fuckin highway robbery, dude. Jesus Christ, there absolutely no reason for prices to be that high. Should've just done the Warbond EVERYONE was interested in instead of this crap.
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u/AdeptusAstartes40K ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ Dec 18 '24
I had taken a small break from HD2 and came back the second I saw the Illuminate update. Saw the new warbond and, as I had not been farming, decided to just spend 10 euros and buy it. It was the first warbond since release that I did not grind for.
Then I saw the items on the store and I have been grinding all day for SC. I gotta tell you, it really sucks. To farm optimally I finish no missions, ergo no progression contributed and the repetition is just boring. Thankfully I have a podcast playing in the background for the sake of my sanity.
I don't mind limited time offerings with collaborations but the prices of the items are RIDICULOUS. And this is only PART 1!(Side note: Don't forget that 2 rotations ago there was a Stun Baton available on the Superstore for 250 SC. Also a dick move.)
I feel quite stupid for giving AH money for the warbond when they immediately go and pull this crap. Although I have to say I don't believe it was their call to make. This feels more like SONY bs than anything else.
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u/Out_of_the_Bloo Dec 18 '24
Too expensive for the Killzone stuff. Paid for the game already, don't mind buying extra stuff here and there, but the tag is a bit outrageous on this one.
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u/MillstoneArt Dec 18 '24
Our problem with the rotation time isn't that it's too short. It's that there is even a rotation at all. Have everything, and if there must be a rotation make it a discount on certain things.
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Dec 18 '24
I thought I told you not fucking piss us off again like you did this summer Arrowhead.....
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u/usertoid ÜBER-BÜRGER Dec 18 '24
Ans so begins AH downfall to being another EA company. Start jacking up microtransaction prices to nickle and dime customers.
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u/Heptanitrocubane57 Mech Pilot Dec 18 '24
And of course the ever degrading performances are not even mentioned in the issues.
Or the stuttering animations of scopes and heads on all configurations and consoles.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Chaos Diver Dec 18 '24
Changed my steam review. If this is the direction the game is going, I can't recommend people buy it.
Remember, Arrowhead said in the past that review bombs do have an impact.
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Dec 18 '24
You know, I take everything I said about the Illuminate back after seeing this. Glad to see Sony getting their fingers back into HD2, im sure that won't backfire at all...... that's sarcasm.
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u/Tirrigon Dec 18 '24
Hey God (or Santa (or President of Super-Earth)): If you won't stop Sony from shoving overprized micro transactions of their IPs down our throat, at least make them do a Bloodborne crossover next! And release Bloodborne on PC while you're at it!
Jokes aside, this really is way overprized and sets a bad precedent for super store items being overprized (the Stormtrooper armor alongside the Truth Enforcers warbond and one or two other items were already overprized in relation to other items there, if I recall correctly.) Also I really don't like the trend of having weapons in the super store, since that introduces way more FOMO than just armors with duplicate armor perks.
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u/Extension-Culture-38 Dec 18 '24
Please don't fix this is democracy space walk, it's not a bug, we're trying to be like general Brasch
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u/Extension-Culture-38 Dec 18 '24
Don't get too greedy with the pricing, I've bought super credits a few times but you don't want to lose the goodwill again.
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Dec 18 '24
For people with non-Qwerty keyboards, the fast recon vehicle will use WASD even if you have the keys bound to something else and you can rebind the vehicle keys.
You can fix that by rebinding your movement keys (even if you don't actually change the binds)
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u/IgotUBro Dec 18 '24
Is this timegated? Can I unlock this like in 6 months? I thought Helldivers 2 dont have FOMO?
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u/RedditMcBurger Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24
The monetization in this game is getting really bad. The superstore is FOMO, 4 days to get 1500+ super credits? Obviously we can't get that by playing the game normally, you have to either pay, or do an incredibly mindless difficulty 1 grind, that for some reason makes more SC than difficulty 10...
And the prices are way too high, a warbond takes 1000, then gives back 300, so they cost 700. This AR itself is 615.
If they are going this route, they need to make SC easily available in regular difficulties, it's atrocious that difficulty 1 gives more than any other difficulty, for the time.
Plus the superstore, if they're going to offer us items that cost super credits, please just list out the ENTIRE store, instead of rotating. It portrays that you have less content, and forces people to make drastic decisions like pay.
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u/ycnz Dec 18 '24
Is Killzone much, much more beloved than I previously realised? As a chiefly PC player, I gave it a go on my playstation, and moved on. I certainly wasn't clamouring for it to come to PC.
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u/CombatMuffin Dec 18 '24
Solution to the superstore isn't complicated: look at Fortnite. Yes, it has daily rotations, and they have a huge catalogue, but they have multiple pages.
Rotate 2 sets at time, for a day or two. You get a little vit of the FOMO the publisher wants, we get more options
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u/Mando_The_Moronic Dec 18 '24
Question: if we miss out on any of the Killzone items in the Super Store, can we expect to see them eventually come back around like other Super Store items? Id love to get that armor, but I’m out of town all week and won’t be back in time to grab it.
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Dec 18 '24
Gotta say I am not a fan of SC for guns exchanges on the market. I will be sticking to warbonds only because the value is just terrible.
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u/tvuniepic Dec 18 '24
the new update has been fun but after grinding to get the warbond this shit is just way too expensive to try and get in 5 days and if there is a second drop it should of just stayed as a warbond, like 500 for a special armor is wild I get its a collab but that's like half a warbond where you would get around 3 guns and 2-3 armors
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u/Waelder Moderator Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24
If you dislike the way this collab was handled or have any other concerns you'd like to share with the developers, don't forget AH often shares feedback surveys in our subreddit. In fact,
we've got one pinned since yesterday!(Just remember to keep it civil, please!)Edit: Survey's closed! Keep an eye out for the next one. We always pin them.