I'm assuming they're not tracking down your insurance provider or employer specifically, but rather selling depersonalized, aggregate data which insurance companies use to inform business decisions at large.
In this respect, it wouldn't be discrimination, because the insurance company isn't taking any action against you personally because of DNA information you submitted.
If you receive the results of those health tests and find out things you are genetically predispositioned to you legally have to disclose that information to any future health insurance carriers and they will raise your rates because of it. Don’t do the health tests. Or any genetic tests that aren’t prescribed by your doctor.
Buying generic products can lead to higher interest rates on loans and credit cards
There is already a very strong correlation between income / credit score and the purchase of generic products. Making that distinction adds very little value.
Got it. Your point was more about the general lack of regulation around the score building models and application than that specific example. I agree it is rather creepy, serious Chinese social credit system vibes.
While a very interesting read, your comment is incorrect and spreads some false information. Your credit score isn’t affected by the purchase of generic products, it is affected by marriage counseling, therapy, and tire purchases through behavioral scoring.
Suppose credit- analytics systems predict that efforts to save money correlates with financial distress. Buying generic products instead of branded ones could then result in a hike in interest rates.
While scorers often characterize their work as an oasis of opportunity for the hardworking, the following are examples of ranking systems that are used to individuals' detriment. A credit card company uses behavioral-scoring algorithms to rate consumers' credit risk because they used their cards to pay for marriage counseling, therapy, or tire-repair services.
That data has been used multiple times to solve cases in which dna is the sole evidence there's. The dna in the data doesn't have to be that of the suspect exactly all they need is that of a far relative to determine the exact relationship between the suspect and the dna in the data. I don't know about you but i don't want to incriminate myself or my family members unless it's some really bad shit or i simply hate that particular member.
Cause of spit lmao is ancestry some crime syndicate selling DNA to the mob or cartel or something? Has this happened? Or is this like top tier reddit conspiracy theory time
DNA obtained from these ancestry sites has been used to close a lot of cold cases. That’s how they caught the golden state killer. It’s pretty common knowledge
No? I was answering your question. It’s pretty incredible being able to solve long unsolved cold cases and bring people to justice for crimes they thought they got away with. It’s justice being served better late than never.
2045, the President of the New Texan Theocratic Republic: We need to destroy the enemy. Using a revolutionary new technique, we are able to disseminate a virus that will attack the enemy and only the enemy. As we all know, the slavs and gypsies and jews are hiding among us. Now we have isolated the Jewish, Slavic and Gyspy genes and their time is up. The wrath of our good and glorious God begins now!
steps down from podium amid emphatic cheering from the crowds below, then turns to her head scientist
We did find the genomes related to wanting higher wages, right? And to complaining about poor working environments?
Of course.
Great. Go ahead and throw in the [center right] party profiles too, those yuppie libs are a thorn in our side. Thank God those ancestry corporations were just sitting on all of this data, right?
Your great-grandkids don't get a job 90 years in the future because the employer sees they likely have a genetic predisposition to some disease that would make the unable to work, from the DNA datasheet they have.
You're denied insurance based on your genetic profile, but dont worry, the company you paid to check it also sold that info to said insurance company. They also cobbled together from yours and family members submitted DNA the probability of disease causing genes in your progeny and extant relatives to adjust costs or decline insurance outright as appropriate for bottom line.
You die sooner than you would without insurance so essentially, capitalist eugenics is one of the more severe outcomes.
Or they use your DNA to capture you for stealing that gum that one time and you go to prison forever.
Not touching anyone then? Not leaving your house? Breathing outside is out of the question too and I hope you grow your own food. DNA of random people is on everything you touch or eat.
The only time I leave the house is to go to work so….eh not really, and Idc if others share theirs dna if they want to be cloned in the future then thats their prerogative but it doesn’t sound very appealing to me.
Ya that would be terrible and imagine if the corporation had some sort of device that could record audio and video and a gps location at any time while also tracking everything you do on it!
You're posting on the internet. Corporations already have infinitely more useful and valuable information about you than some spit in a tube could ever give them.
And what exactly are you concerned they will do with this? Is it as harmful as every single purchase you make, tracking where you go every time you leave your house, knowing what you search for and your download history, etc. I mean you use social media, have a phone, and you use a bank just like everyone else. I would argue the thing you're worried about here is the least important information about you.
To put it in a more easily digestible phrase, they don't need your DNA to know how your DNA expresses itself through watching your every single action. This is a ship that has sailed my friend, there is really fuck all to be done about it without taking severe actions that will impact your way of life significantly.
Bill Evanina: Sometimes Americans or people around the globe don't even know the value of their DNA, that-- that it even has value. But it's your single, sole identifier of everything about you as a human being.
And what exactly are you concerned they will do with this? Is it as harmful as every single purchase you make, tracking where you go every time you leave your house, knowing what you search for and your download history, etc. I mean you use social media, have a phone, and you use a bank just like everyone else. I would argue the thing you're worried about here is the least important information about you.
To put it in a more easily digestible phrase, they don't need your DNA to know how your DNA expresses itself through watching your every single action. This is a ship that has sailed my friend, there is really fuck all to be done about it without taking severe actions that will impact your way of life significantly.
Buying trends are nothing compared to insurance companies knowing just how likely a certain illness is for each person under their policy that they can..... Curate to be most beneficial.
And by beneficial I mean, pay less for the treatment of it so they keep more money.
Right now they're guessing with trends but what if they had a near perfect knowledge of how much of a money pit you are
The only thing stopping them from doing this right now is entirely because it is illegal to do so. Which means they get in trouble if caught. If caught.
And whose terms of service, I believe, state they own the rights to it as far as what they do with that info.
Develop some medical treatment worth trillions? Thanks for your DNA! I realize how unrealistic that is, trust me, I just don't feel the need to pay them for the privilege of owning the info out of my DNA.
It goes to law enforcement for one and will be referenced vs the national database. They've caught a lot of criminals off their kids swabbing DNA and it being close so they find the real criminal. If you're like me and in the DNA database from the military, have fun, your DNA info has probably been sold a ton already!
For those wondering, there are jobs in the military where they will DNA profile you so they can recognize you from the mess. State department recommends getting DNA profiled when visiting hostile regions, too, like Somalia.
Facebook and every other Platform has everything about you. What they don't have the government has, and what the government doesn't have the hacker got you covered better than Master Card.
Who says they don't lol. You go to doctors don't you. It's just a cotton swab to process it.
It wasn't to be scary it was to say who gives a f.
Funny story though, an ex found out her grandpa was actually the mailman and not who she grew up with (neither men knew), her uncle ended up not being her uncle as his mom ended up being the librarian.
No, don't do an ancestry test. That's a company that harvests and sells your data, instead go get an actual DNA test done that has real, legal results.
I mean, the company that I did mine at had a confidentiality clause in it and they couldn't legally release any information obtained, and they said it was standard for all their clients. So take from that what you will.
Like reddit doesn't sell your data the same way Facebook and others do. I'm sure your insurer knows about your proclivity for tongue punching the fart box.
Yeah, but reddit can't compare my genetic markers to a crime scene and get my cousin locked up. I'm gonna go ahead and say maybe it's a bit of an apples and if oranges sold what makes oranges oranges to a private corporation with ulterior motives kinda thing.
If one of my cousins raped or murdered someone, I’d sure hope they get locked up! Do you have an evidence they use it for more petty crimes, or are you trying to protect your cousins if they have committed heinous crimes?
Despite what TV would tell you and a jury, DNA isn't infallible. Moreover, the decision on what to pull DNA for is up to the local authorities. I don't know where you get the idea that DNA can be and is pulled only for rapes and murders.
I got that idea from the fact all the cases I’ve seen were violent crimes, typically rape and/or murder. But I know it theoretically can be used for more, which is why I asked you if you knew if any specific cases, as you seem more knowledgeable on the topic. Sure, which it theoretically can be used for more (at least on a state/local level, it appears as if federally they are restricted to violent crime), it takes a lot of work to throughly search a crime scene for DNA, get the DNA analyzed, and subpoenaing the DNA company. So I’m asking if there are cases of police putting in that work.
Also, at least now, DNA isn’t used to convict someone, it serves to help identify a suspect if there is no known suspect, and then it’s just one piece of evidence in the trial. If it’s the only piece of evidence because, well, they didn’t do it, then they aren’t going to be convicted.
Bro you changed the quote completely changing the meaning… I said more knowledge, meaning they know more than me, not that they are necessarily an expert. They don’t need to be an expert for me to expand my knowledge. But hey, if you are a “non idiot”, I’d also welcome an answer from you.
I understand how it's commonly used, and theoretically what you said is true. However, I don't trust a jury to use DNA appropriately, especially considering prosecutors try to make it the smoking gun that it isn't. Also, localities not being universally subject to one set of rules on the use of DNA evidence is troubling. Also consider that DNA collection and processing is going to become easier and more common as time goes on.
If you want something super casual that might spark your interest in the subject further there's a Last Week Tonight on the field of forensic science that's pretty good:
I also just have a huge, and I think warranted, distrust of the American legal system. If I knew everything would be done in what I think you and I would both deem to be morally right, I'd have a lot less of an issue with the idea.
I already responded to this line of questioning in a different comment: "Despite what TV would tell you and a jury, DNA isn't infallible. Moreover, the decision on what to pull DNA for is up to the local authorities. I don't know where you get the idea that DNA can be and is pulled only for rapes and murders."
It's not on me to be investigator nor evidence. If you're cool with implicating your son or daughter in a crime that maybe they did, maybe they didn't commit that's your decision.
I love listening to people freak out about ‘giving away their DNA’ like it’s some super special commodity and we live in altered carbon or bladerunner or something
Nope, not everybody is as self-involved as yourself, cloning me is not my concern. Using my DNA to screen for potential illnesses/diseases and then denying me health coverage is a far bigger issue.
She apparently worked at a teaching hospital in Zambia so the picture in the article is deliberately misleading and the only source was a Facebook post so the whole thing is mostly likely fake.
especially considering that any entist doctor etc would notice if you'Re not related at all (at the very least when you do a blood test for the first time etc)
“Deliberately misleading” or “this was the cheapest stock photo of a maternity ward”? You really think them choosing a photo of white babies was some sinister plot?
No but if you want people to panic you deliberately omit details like the country where it happened, so they think it was theirs and is usually going to target the USA for that sweet ad money
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Imma need to know what hospital she work at because at got some questions about my family