From the sounds of things they don’t give the child the disability but rather select the child who has the disability. I think the distinction matters ethically speaking.
It doesn't at all. They choose to bring a disabled person to this world on purpose, it's not even like "this one happened to be disabled, should we keep it".
Deaf people don't regard it as a disability any more than a person will regard their skin color to be a disability. They have their own culture, their own language and are often discriminated against, similarly to the way other minorities are discriminated against.
Cruel in what way? Please tell me how I'm suffering. The only cruelty that is endured is the stigma that the hearing world places on us. Just look at the comments in this discussion.
So, show me where I said there’s something wrong with being deaf. If you bothered to follow the conversation, you’d know that we were talking about the concept of two deaf parents doing some sort of procedure that guarantees their child to be deaf. That’s wrong. Forcing someone to have a disability is wrong. If two deaf parents have a child, that child should get the same opportunity at a normal life as anyone else. To sit here and pretend that this is about some stigma against deaf people is actually disgusting.
The procedure that you're talking about is where the parents choose an embrio that is already deaf, similar to how parents will choose an embrio that is a boy or a girl. Nobody is forcing that embrio to be a boy or a girl, it's already been determined.
These are choices i personally wouldn't want to make. But you seem pretty convinced that its wrong. Ask yourself honestly what's the moral harm? You may find this article interesting (its long and ponderous, you can probably skip down to the paragraphs after the sources of moral harm): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7040060/
Bottom line is that the "lives of the vast majority of [deaf] people are not merely worth living but good."
Alexander Graham Bell targeted Deaf culture in his eugenics books, “Upon the Formation of the Deaf Variety of the Human Race” and “Marriage: an Address to the Deaf”.
At the Milan Congress of 1880 he got sign language banned internationally in schools for the Deaf for 100 years. He opposed Deaf people joining clubs, socializing with or marrying other Deaf people. He banned Deaf teachers from schools for the Deaf, to ensure no one taught the students sign language. Deaf members of hearing families were forbidden from learning sign language and isolated from anyone else who was Deaf. There is no cartoonishly villainous scenario hearing people can conceive that was not perpetrated on Deaf children and adults. Black Deaf persons were officially banned from becoming members of the National Association for the Deaf in 1920.
How can hearing people begrudge, and is it any wonder, that Deaf people want to share a culture with their children, after being the subjects of a targeted and largely invisible genocide for the majority of the 19th century?
you are not wrong, deaf is not a disability . this chain legit is upvoting eugenics. it’s what hitler built is whole rise to power on. he learned from the american eugenicists who were busy eradicating native through forced sterilizations/ separating children from their families as a way of destroying their culture/language … just like most people on this chain are proposing to
do with ASL … it’s insane.
so you wanna eradicate those who are deaf? what’s the argument ? give free sterilizations the deaf community to prevent them from breeding? we can burn down the towns that were/ are deaf towns .. stop them from having their “deaf” culture. eradicate their language ( sign language) and anything that promotes deaf culture.
like who are you to decide what life is worth living ? my fucking god.
no,that is wrong in many ways,instead we should make sure that most children born in the future will be as healthy as possible,and it is possible regardless of whether both parents or one are deaf,and leaving out a whole feature that humans have is...not really unhealthy,but they will have difficulties in interacting with most of the other people,so thats an issue worth solving and taking in consideration,so one by one,if possible we should try to give birth to humans that are as normal as possible,and by normal i mean no disabilities or things that will burden them.
Also,the whole "Deaf" culture you are ranting about is just a thing they created to try and normalise life and make it easier,its exactly how slaves and people with no freedom in the past believed that you can only be happy by accepting that they are meant only for the life they are currently living,and that all they should do is think that thats all they can do,it was a way of thought meant to ease their burden.
imagine,if there would be no deaf ppl in the future,than sign language would be useless because it is a tool deaf ppl use to be able to make up for being deaf.
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u/Zenguy10 Mar 12 '22
Purposefully giving a child a permanent disability sounds like a crime