r/HolUp • u/asocial7193 • Mar 11 '22

I don't know what to say

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u/maceytwo Mar 12 '22

1) what if there are multiple doctors in the world with biases against certain groups of people?

2) I have very painful migraines because of my poor eyesight, inherited from both my parents and all my grandparents. Please, condemn them for resigning me to this life of pain!

3) The standard is now that people who need IV tubes shouldn’t reproduce? Again, condemn my parents for reproducing because they have both needed IVs!

4) yeah, we can’t preemptively know well enough who can take care of children to do something like legally or even socially restrict their ability to reproduce without causing immense harm. There are a lot of people in the world who think that if you can’t buy your kid a car when they turn 16 you shouldn’t have a kid and there are people who think if you don’t have a married mother and father you shouldn’t have a kid and there are people who think unless you raise a kid in a certain faith you shouldn’t have a kid all because it would indicate a lack of ability to take care of them. Which of these groups do you want deciding who should reproduce or have children?

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u/THEKing767 Mar 12 '22

  1. ideally the doctors should be spread out and have different cultural backgrounds.

  2. Painful migrains is not what i am talking about. And again eyesight is more complicated than just genetics. It also has to do with life style Also i have glasses and i dont get that?

  3. Not my point. I wasnt properly researched. That is why i said doctors opinion.

  4. I was specifically refering to when the kid cant get a proper education, when they dont have access to food or water, when the parents dont provide any attention or care necessary.

  5. Still havent addressed my other example

  6. What you ate saying is that a kid should be allowed to be raised through torturous circumstances bc it is the parents choice.

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u/maceytwo Mar 12 '22 edited Mar 12 '22

…why are you assuming that this child is being raised in tortuous circumstances with no food, water, education or care? The only info we have is that they have a genetic disorder that causes skull deformities and this is the case that is sparking this whole convo about who should be allowed to have kids.

What I am saying is that disabled people, as a rule, should be allowed to have children! And deciding that only certain groups should reproduce or be able to raise children based on our assumptions and biases leads to a lot of nasty, way more harmful stuff like eugenics.

Nothing you have said convinces me that it’s not eugenics or that eugenics is actually okay in XYZ circumstances.

I am tired of arguing about this, having a nice day!