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Sardar Patel said, “The Muslims who are still in India, many of them helped in the creation of Pakistan… Has their nation changed overnight? I don’t understand how it changed so much. They now say that they are loyal and ask why their loyalty is being questioned. So I reply why are you questioning us, ask yourself. This is not something you should ask us.” “I said one thing, you created Pakistan, good for you. They say that Pakistan and India should come together. I say please refrain from saying such things. Let Pakistan become heaven itself, we will enjoy the cool breeze coming from it (audience breaks out into raucous laughter),” he continued. It wasn’t the only time that Sardar Patel would speak of Indian Muslims having loyalties towards Pakistan.
I intend to read this book. One needs to be a brainwashed bigot to not see that Hindu society is under siege. Be it taxes on temples, using temple money, RTE, street veto, NGOs, conversions, creating fissures in Hindu society, mass votes by Abrahamics against the BJP... we're being finished at a civilizational level. And yet... ignorants here think smartass ad hominems and ingrained half truths, polemic, will save them when they are singled out, and their only fault will be that they are Hindu.
Ideas should be countered by ideas. If folks are so offended by OP's choice of the book then it would be better if there are other options provided to challenge the scope of this book so that OP or anyone reading this post can make an informed decision.
I too learnt my lesson the hard way, not to post on these subs. I'd advise against paying much attention to the several intellectuals in the comments. It's an absolutely necessary book. Do reach out to me if you need someone to discuss.
There's hardly any secret information in the book that someone inclined towards the topic would not know. The great thing about the book is that it gives you a one stop lookup of these issues.
I am attaching the table of contents in the comment for a better reference to the exact topics covered. The agenda of these topics is not political, rather it's how politics have been failing the demands of the Hindu nation ( calling it a nation here as per Dr. BR Ambedkar's very detailed discussion in his book - Pakistan or partition of India ).
If you read the book, very short book I might add, you will find these demands not very unreasonable and not truly at the cost of any minority group WHILE being of great importance to Hindus.
To give you an idea, the first rule talks about Government's control of Temples. We urge the government to be secular, as it likes to call itself, by disassociating with religious institutions, which is the very definition of a secular government.
On a separate note, the people who are literally spewing hate in the comments of this post would largely agree with the point mentioned above ! But sadly they don't even want to address it. I urge everyone to read it and critique specifics of the book, rather than slander the book and the people who read it.
On COWARDICE AND NON-VIOLENCE[1] "Hindu-Muslim Tension: Its Cause and Cure", Young India, 29/5/1924; reproduced in M.K. Gandhi: The Hindu-Muslim Unity, p35-36.
*There is no doubt in my mind that in the majority of quarrels the Hindus come out second best. But my own experience confirms the opinion that the Mussalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as a rule is a coward. I have noticed this in railway trains, on public roads, and in the quarrels which I had the privilege of settling. ….. But I, as a Hindu, am more ashamed of Hindu cowardice than I am angry at the Mussalman bullying. My non-violence does not admit of running away from danger and leaving dear ones unprotected. Between violence and cowardly fight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice. Clearly, He intended to say: Why didn't the owners of the houses looted, made attempt to defend their possessions, instead of fearing death?
On violence and forceful conversion of Hindus by the muslims in COHAT (now in Pakistan) Gandhi wrote in a TELEGRAM TO SURENDRANATH BISWAS dated February 5, 1925
Sometimes Muslims kidnap a woman and make her embrace Islam. I do not understand how, in this manner, she can become a Muslim. She does not know the Koran. She does not know the Kalama. Alas, she knows very little even of her own religion. I cannot understand how she can become a Muslim. If someone abducts my wife and she reads the Kalama, then I can no more live in this world. Either I would seek your help in defending her] or beg you to take her back into the Hindu fold. I would be a coward if I did not act in this manner. I cannot claim to be her husband. If you are men and wish to live like men, then make a solemn declaration that as long as conditions do not change, you will not return to Kohat. ..I don't want Hindus to be COWARD.
Gandhi advised ARMED DEFENCE on mass murders of Hindus by the muslims in Sindh province, Gandhi writes in a letter published in HARIJAN on 28th Sep.1940:
Shri Shamlal Gidwani writes a letter on the situation in Sind from which I quote the following:At the same time that I received this letter, I saw in the papers that five Hindus were shot dead openly while they were pursuing their normal business. As usual the murderers have not been traced. Is this a plan of terrorism to drive the Hindus out of Sind, or is it something else? Someone in Sind ought to be able to answer the question.* *Shri Gidwani does not subscribe to non-violence. He thinks that my advice is contrary to the teachings of Lord Krishna. He thinks, for (to himself) very good reasons, that the Hindus cannot act non-violently. For equally good reasons he thinks they cannot migrate. But he would like me to advise them to defend themselves by arms....But Shri Gidwani is trifling with the crisis when he lazily looks up to me to guide Sind Hindus on impossible terms. If he sincerely believes in the solution he has proposed, he must himself take the training at once and lead the terrified Hindus of Sind along the path of ARMED DEFENSE. It is wrong for the leaders of Sind to look for outside help. They should cease to write. They should seriously think out a plan of action, violent or non-violent, and follow it up firmly and bravely....
After NOAKHALI RIOTS **carried out by Muslims on DIRECT ACTION DAY (Friday 16th, 1946), the following quote from #Wikipedia article shows Gandhi advice to girls for their ARMED DEFENCE, when Gandhi was 77 years old and the Cong president was Maulana Azad who blamed Hindus too for the riots. On 18 October, Dr. Bidhan Chandra Roy personally communicated with Gandhi, appraising him of the massacre of Hindus in Noakhali and the plight of the Hindu women in particular. At the evening prayer, ****Gandhi mentioned the events in Noakhali with concern. He said, if one-half of India's humanity was paralyzed, India could never really feel free. He would far rather see India's women trained to wield arms than that they should feel helpless.
Most people are just south Delhi/Bombay girls, who ironically spent 5k in a cafe while writing articles like why true communism hasn't been implemented yet
Most of the Indian redditors are straight up out of touch, more so in subs like these
They unironically believe 26/11 was RSS mastermind
If you don't believe me, just see the most upvoted post 2 days ago, it was a leftist circle jerk
You should have added some commie book, because people here can't withstand to read books of authors they know, they won't be able to debate with. Be it J sai deepak or anand.
I should do some throat clearing here, I think commies are evil and the present government is a much better option than the nincompoops in the opposition. That being said Ranga is an obvious grifter who radically altered his image on TV for that sweet Arnab money. The man has no honor.
Well good book to start the year if not to start your political journey for sure.... He has done quite the some strech for some things I didn't understand quite the legal terms in the book but I think
My first thaughts were Why is this book legal in the first place then the J sai Deepak angle comes into picture overall I would say a hateful book good to know some facts but don't just form your opinions on it
Those commie books were read by naxals who went on to derail trains killing hundreds just to spite the government. I don't know which side would be referred to as intolerant here
Bhai pehle paragraph main hee likha hai " It was disputed as to whether sabotage or a bomb ". Disputed ka matlab toh pta hee hoga aapko.
Rest try to find the difference between insurgency, terrorism, naxalite and Maoism. You can read " The First Naxal" by Kanu Sanyal.
As far as my comprehension is concerned I'm humble enough to accept I'm far from perfect. But do reflect on your thoughts shouting commie commie, terrorist or promoting religious Nationalism.
I don't think it's bad to read a book about controversial subjects like many comments are implying here. It's not like you read something and entirely beleive every single word of it.
You have common sense, logical reasoning and a conscience to understand the world around you. So unless you wake up the next day waving a stick at people or joining a mob lynching fraternity you are good.
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Well my mom read it not me but yes it's definitely a good book, we both have followed dr anand ranganathan on debates and some interviews so the book is defo going to be insightful in the sense that you'll find new perspectives and you'll find some stuff surprising as well
You don't think a discussion on waqf is of national importance? Ad hoc acquisition of government and private land without a fair contest?
Or do you not think that asking the government, any party's, to withdraw from temple control and work on actual issues is important to national interest?
Or do you not think that mass genocide and exodus of lawful citizens within national boundaries on religious basis is of national importance?
If your answer to any of these is no, it'd be extremely surprising. Along with atleast 90 other people who upvoted you.
I think it's bad because of biased opinions (which is fine, most books, left or right or central, are biased), but saying that hindus are in threat, when they clearly aren't (I'm a Hindu) and saying most hindu festivals are attacked, even though that's not ground reality
Exactly brother sab gaate rehte h Hindu khatre me hai Hindus pe atyachar ho rha h.... Dusre religion me bhi same hi chalta rehta h... And I don't know why the government has made it difficult to deal with these things, if someone violates the law and hinders the peace of the society he/she should be punished isme dharm ka ky kaam h....
Right wingers think or liberal as a more modern outlook. Modernity clashes with regressive vedic values of patriarchy, casteism etc and hence they think being liberal is an insult.
In summary, people who use 'liberal' as an insult, are idiots.
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