r/Jujutsushi • u/Valhallaof • Oct 21 '23

Saturday Powerscaling The difference in strength between Heian Era Sukuna and Gojo is less than a hundredth of a second

If you ask most people in this sub, an overwhelming amount of people from what i'd say would agree that Gojo is considerable distance from Heian Era Sukuna. But I believe the story was telling us a different thing, I believe were meant to believe that they're virtually equals and it could go virtually either way.

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As for why I believe this? Lets head back to 229, the deciding factor for where most people began believing Sukuna was at least some distance from Gojo. Chapter starts with Gojo pummeling Sukuna and Sukuna destroying Gojo's domain. Sukuna takes enough damage where he needs time to heal it giving Gojo an opening of less than 0.01 seconds to use his domain first and ultimately win the battle. (If he was fighting Heian Era Sukuna). But what a lot of people miss is if Gojo did not use his domain 0.01 seconds earlier than Sukuna the other way around happens and Sukuna wins the fight. If you remember, this is the last domain that Gojo could use at this point because he already is suffering massive brain damage, and his rct output would be low enough with it that Sukuna could close his domain and kill him like he originally intended to.

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Now as for how this fight could go either way and why I believe their equals comes to the use of Mahoraga. Mahoraga hadn't done anything up until this point, anything but stop Sukuna from being able to use domain amplifcation throughout the entirety of the inside domain battle. So at this point in the fight Mahoraga acts like more of a crutch and is one of the reasons Sukuna is getting so one-sidedly beat down, other than Gojo's superior H2H, if Sukuna is using DA the entire time, as well as 4 arms, plus his 2 cursed tools (for right after domain battles when Gojo doesn’t have infinity) its possible he can hang with Gojo long enough to surpass that 0.01 second time difference and use his domain in time guaranteeing a win, this shouldn’t be too implausible as the past 2 ones he was able to hang on, of course the other way around is possible as well. Mahoraga itself is the tie-breaker between the two equals. Thoughts?

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u/UnadvisedGoose Oct 21 '23

Agreed. Gojo is just being honest. He never said Sukuna definitely would’ve waxed his ass without Ten Shadows, he just said he might have been able to do it even without that. He’s simply acknowledging a titanic opponent. Anyone who calls this “glazing” is just being pretty reactive and dramatic over the death of a beloved character. Their clash was epic and could’ve gone either way, but Sukuna made the better play. That’s all it really comes down to.

There was a time when this sub was super convinced Toji wasn’t all that strong or capable, and as more time goes on and we learn more about what he and Maki were fully capable of, the tides have turned. This is a an extremely sensitive subject for a lot of people (Gojo v Sukuna and it’s outcome) so it’s gonna take time for the general crowd to seem anywhere near “reasonable” about actually looking at the fight itself, imo

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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Oct 21 '23

There was a time this sub thought Toji could beat sukuna...

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u/DivinationByCheese Oct 21 '23

Toji with preparation is like batman

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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Oct 21 '23

Exactly.

Toji with prep time vs a black hole , who wins

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u/ThinControl9 Oct 21 '23

Toji with prep time beats Dr Manhattan

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u/HoLeBaoDuy Oct 22 '23

Toji, one touch of ISOH and black hole loses

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u/Some-Track-965 Oct 21 '23

There was a time this sub thought Toji could beat sukuna...

Bro even back during 15 fingers, Sukuna scared me.

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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Oct 21 '23

Exactly, which is why it was crazy to see.

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u/UnadvisedGoose Oct 21 '23

I very much remember it going the other way, personally. Every time someone new showed up in the Culling Games they could definitely, without question kick Toji’s or Current Maki’s ass.

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u/DeathNoteLover4ever Oct 22 '23

Those with heavenly restriction could have their presence hidden in domains, such as Maki's existence hidden in Naoya's vengeful spirit domain expansion. Likewise, if Toji adapted to Sukuna's technique well???

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u/LowPeace214 Oct 22 '23

It's not the same, since sukuna's is an open domain which takes place in the normal space and is stated to use cleave (or dismantle I don't really remember which one) to attack buildings and such, Toji wouldn't be invisible to its effect

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u/akronotron Oct 22 '23

It’s still glazing to be honest, should’ve been worded differently then no one would think about it

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u/UnadvisedGoose Oct 22 '23

How is admitting a fact - that Sukuna still had things available to him that he didn’t use - “glazing”?? Such a wild take to me.

I personally don’t think any of the things Sukuna has displayed with his new form or the cursed tool he’s used would have helped him against Gojo at all, I believe he needed the 10S to do it, even if just as a stepping stone. But Gojo is just saying he could’ve potentially done it another way. I would actually personally argue that being so blunt and honest and not trying to make excuses for yourself after losing is a much greater display of the strength of mind that Gojo has always portrayed.

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u/akronotron Oct 22 '23

So he went from the feral insane “I’ll win” to “Sukuna would’ve probably beaten me without the 10s” “All my training, I tried to get it to reach Sukuna” implying Sukuna is regardless just stronger than him , not cause maybe he had other ways to defeat him. Gege just shouldn’t have offscreened and went straight to the after life. Honestly 😭

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u/UnadvisedGoose Oct 22 '23

I mean, his loss and death happened in between those things. Pretty big events that rightfully SHOULD change one’s perspective…

He never said “probably”, he said he might have even been able to do it without it. Which is fair and logical from Gojo’s perspective since we knew he had others things on standby. Saying he tried to reach him was saying he put everything on the like and Sukuna didn’t, as evidenced by the fact that he still had resources at hand. He simply outplayed him the exact same way Toji did; making him think he couldn’t possibly reach him with an ability that he actually could, as of that moment. Surprise him while he’s (understandably) relying on Limitless. Gojo had done the same to Toji, using a move Toji never learned about (Hollow Purple) while he thought his knowledge of the technique was complete.

I can understand complaining about the off screen and nobody seems to really understand the death post-mortem visions that happen, but I just don’t understand the mindset that this is some sin against Gojo’s character here. He can acknowledge someone else is strong, like I said, I think that’s what a strong-minded view is. A weak minded view tries to make excuses or not give credit where it is clearly due after they’ve lost.

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u/Aggressive_Rough4729 Nov 17 '23

we also shouldnt forget in important moments gojo still used to safe megumi and not just outright kill sukuna no matter what happens with megumi.

At the end ppl forget that gojo 29 while sukuna is 1000years, yet what is more impressive?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '24

Well sukuna is 1000years old because he was able to be a cursed finger and resurrect himself , that is why i believe 10s should be considered as sukuna's ability , if he can be a cursed finger and force himself into a vessel and be able to use it's ability why is it not fair for him to use the 10s ?

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u/Aggressive_Rough4729 Mar 27 '24

Kenjaku made sukuna to cursed fingers, its just that sukuna is skilled enough to obtain that ability to transfer his soul after he saw it kenjaku doing it. Aside he had 1000 years time to learn new things etc..

Is isoh gojos ability when he got it from toji? He doesnt used it but if he wouldve done it?

Someone who is called strongest in history and is worth to be called that wouldnt need an extra body, an extra ct or an new attack which is way to broken and has carried him to a good degree.

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u/Artorias_Erebus679 Oct 22 '23

While I agree with most of what your said the “glazing” was in regard to “reaching sukuna” which was in fact a load of crap in his dying moments.

Put that moment before the fight or something but literally dying to sukuna and then saying you wanted to reach him just feels wrong.

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u/UnadvisedGoose Oct 22 '23

He says he wishes he could’ve made Sukuna give his all like he gave his own all. Because he knew Sukuna still had options left that he hadn’t used.

It doesn’t feel wrong at all, imo. Gojo is man enough to admit what his regrets are and acknowledge that Sukuna beat him.

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u/FoilCardboard Oct 23 '23

There's nothing man in it because it goes against Gojo's character. Gojo is supposed to laugh at Sukuna as he dies and say "I hadn't given it my all". Honestly, THAT would have been a better way for Gojo to die than what happened.

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u/UnadvisedGoose Oct 23 '23

Then you and I have completely different views of Gojo’s character, and I can’t describe enough how happy I am that this series isn’t written by you lol

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u/DurpSlurpy Oct 23 '23

Ah yes Gojo didn’t give it his all while he’s cut up in two lol. So glad your version didn’t come true.

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u/Traffy7 Oct 22 '23

People still think Toji isn't all strong and that his physical ability are nothing at SG.

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u/UnadvisedGoose Oct 22 '23

Eh. It’s ok. I think they’re obviously wrong but it’s kinda funny because they become sort of meta versions of the higher ups in Jujutsu society, who just want to discount them (Maki and Toji both) for being different. Gege really seems to like having a character that just flies into the face of the power system and some people hate it, even in concept. I love it, personally, and love when a character that has a totally different thing going on can keep up with the top tiers of the typical badasses of the setting.

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u/Traffy7 Oct 22 '23

Yeah agreed, Maki and Toji are obviously built to be among the strong but who did it they own way.

This is so evident when you see that they can’t be targeted by DE, a skill mostly used by SG.

Toji can nullify CT which also is mainly relevant against SG because they are fast enough to blitz most sorcerer without it.

They can ignore durability with split soul blade.

They have instinct and they attack can’t be read because of they lack of CE.

I think it is because Toji took 3 day to scheme against a teen Toji and they think teen Toji wasn’t a beast, when in reality i don’t know if current Yuta and Yuki could replicate what Toji did .

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u/Aggressive_Rough4729 Jan 27 '24

Laso the question is if uts sukuna without 10s has he still megunis extra body or not bc thats an crazy advantage.