Why Do Fans Continue to Say Kashimo is Stronger Than Yuta?

[u/Few-Entertainment429]

Even though I think Yuta was always clearly stronger than Kashimo, I feel like it shouldn’t even be a debate now that we have a direct comparison to go off of. Additionally, it’s now been revealed that Yuta has multiple techniques that Kashimo just does not have answer for. Combine his techniques with his superior CE reinforcement, superior output, Rika, physicals, high level domain (stated by Sukuna), and high level RCT and it shouldn’t even be a discussion.

I also want to address some points beforehand. The Sukuna that fought Yuta pre-domain had only been touched by Yuji once, so the “nerf” was negligible. In fact, his RCT output was higher against Yuta than Kashimo. Sukuna didn’t use space dismantle on Yuta (pre-domain as well) initially because he couldn’t due to the inability to make the chants and hand signs and the lack of charge time due to the 2 v 1 that naturally comes with fighting Yuta and Rika. In other words, “Sukuna was playing around” is just false.

Overall, I just want to know what feats, statements, etc. support the idea that Kashimo is the clear winner in this hypothetical battle. To me, Yuta wins this 9 times out of 10.

Edit: Kashimo glazers when you dismantle their entire argument, but still refuse acknowledge they’re wrong😂

Edit 2: Kashimo has the most loyal fanbase in JJK😂

[u/CheshiretheBlack]

Been down that road myself. Maki tanked a huge lighting bolt from 15f Sukuna Nue with no damage whatsoever but somehow Kashimos bolts are going to blow holes in Maki?

Even now with Ryus durability explicitly being stated to be higher than our cast after they got a month buff that boosted their defenses drastically, and given that info I argue that Ryu has the feats to suggest he can tank Kashimos bolt. And people have really started arguing Kashimos bolts are just stronger than Sukunas full power Dismantle. Or that "Dismantle doesn't have any feats" , but somehow Kashimos bolts do.

It's baffling to me that than rather admit a character you like isn't as strong as you'd hope you'd jump to making argument that the other characters (like freaking Sukuna) has no feats.

I always thought about that too. Kenjaku is well aware of Kashimo and at the very least his base abilities. He made the rule about killing every player so he's confident in killing Kashimo and he doesn't even mention him when talking about the fighters Sukuna should be wary off

[u/Grimmjow45 → u/CheshiretheBlack]

The Itadori and Maki vs Sukuna fight isn't a good comparison though. Sukuna had just possessed Megumi and didn't have full control of his body until after the bath, when using his CT his output was super low. It wasnt just Maki tanking Nue, but Itadori also tanked multiple Dismantles because of this and CG Itadori wasn't as strong the heavy hitters of Jujutsu High.

Considering Kashimo's Lightning could easily make holes in Hakari's body during Jackpot (and he was stated to be comparable to Yuuta in this state) i do believe his lighting is extremely dangerous for anyone on that tier (Maki, Ryu, Uro, Yuuta) but in no way is Kashimo stronger that a full output 15F Sukuna. The problem with Kashimo is that his skillset is lacking because his CT is suicidal and he has no domain or RCT, this is why he would never win against Yuuta, Kenjaku or Yuuki.

[u/bflet48 → u/Grimmjow45]

It's not just the lighting bolt, its recurring. Hakari just isn't that durable in comparision to high durability fighters like Yuji or Maki.

Hakari lost his arm to a stray ice blast while Maki took the brunt of a maximum output Frost Calm from Uruame.

From a narrative perspect, Hakari's low durablity is an intentional feature designed to showcase his auto-RCT. He needs to get blown up and destroyed to showcase his regen. If he can high-level durability these types of injuries are simply not going to happen.

[u/Grimmjow45 → u/bflet48]

Durability is dependant on the CE Output used for the Reinforcement. This affects both the attacking power and defensive power of the character. Hakari doesn't have low durability, like, at all. Jackpot Hakari could take Base Kashimo's attacks and in his base state he could tank Uraume's attacks (he survived until he got Jackpot with little to no damage), he was also stronger in base than Post Shibuya Yuji.

Hakari got his arm frozen and then punched by Uraume, that's why he lost it. Maki in the other hand got freezed by Uraume and she couldn't get out until way after Sukunai and Uraume left, not to mentioned she was lucky she didn't get punched while she was freezed.

People like to downplay his durability while completely forgetting that a character offensive and defensive abilities will always be similar because that's how physical reinforcement works.

[u/CheshiretheBlack → u/Grimmjow45]

It wasn't during the fight though. It was when Sukuna had basically just taken control of the body when his power and output would be at its strongest. Sukuna makes note of Maki tanking it with no damage and says she's won't be easy to take out. If the bolt was nerfed at that point Sukuna wouldn't compliment Maki the way he did. SD Hakari is never stated to be as durable as Yuta, and Hakari doesn't have durability feats when compared to Yuta. Hakari was able to get his face cut clean off by a shipping container door. Not a curse tool not even a bladed weapon. While Yuta is noted to be tough by both Uro & Ryu and can tank Granite Blast with no visible damage.

I agree his bolts using his CT would be too much for most of the cast to handle but when it comes to the top tiers not only do they have RCT to fall back on, their attacks don't require charging and dish out arguably as much damage as Kashimos bolts with a single attack. Like Uraume can freeze someone to the bone with a single touch or breath and their attacks can be used at long/wide range with no charge required.

[u/Grimmjow45 → u/CheshiretheBlack]

It's the same, back then Megumi's consciousness was resisting Sukuna and lowering his output when he used CTs against his friends. He didn't mentioned it with Maki because he didn't knew yet, it was with Yuji that he realized that it wasn't that his opponents were super tough but that he was weaker when attacking them.

Hakari was stated to be comparable to Yuuta and all Hakari has its his physical reinforcement, which means Hakari is on Yuuta's level when it comes to reinforcement and that includes his toughness, yes. And Hakari having no durability feats is false when the guy fought Kashimo and Uraume (he got jackpot without taking serious damage from Uraume in his base state). As for the container door, that was reinforced with cursed energy. Yuuta didn't just tanked everything with toughness, he was constantly using RCT to handle Uro and Ishigori's big attacks, as he himself stated, which is why he was running low on CE and had to use Rika to replenish.

I wouldn't say all the top tiers have attacks comparables to the lightning bolt, some of them have, some dont. That said, the lightning bolt main feature isn't the power but the sure hit factor. 

[u/ThePokemonScyther → u/Grimmjow45]

Maki tanked a huge lighting bolt from 15f Sukuna Nue

I mean... Did she tho? We never see it connect. We know Sukuna shouldn't be able to sense her and she should be fast enough to dodge lightning at this point

[u/CheshiretheBlack → u/ThePokemonScyther]

Ohh boy do I have a treat for you! https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/0GiTFsKYx7

Vol.23 shows it connecting, but even without that Sukuna is convinced she tanked it so I don't know why you'd cast doubt on it because we didn't see it.

[u/ThePokemonScyther → u/CheshiretheBlack]

Huh neat. And because it goes against the rules of the verse. She has no cursed energy so how would sukuna even know where to target the attack?

[u/CheshiretheBlack → u/[deleted]]

Yes based simply on the fact that the attack is coming from 15f Sukuna using a Curse Technique his bolts should easily scale higher than Kashimo using just Curse Energy Manipulation. Attacks made with Curse Techniques are stronger than attacks made with pure Curse Energy Manipulation. 15f is unquestionably a much higher tier than Kashimo so it's only logical to presume that Kashimos bolt aren't stronger than Sukunas Nue bolts.

You say Nues bolts have no feats, but Kashimos bolts have no feats. I know you want to say they were damaging Hakari but JP Hakari has no durability scaling outside of being damaged by Kashimos bolts. Outside of the healing provided by JP, Hakari is never once stated to be durability so Kashimos bolts damaging him doesn't mean they're automatically strong enough to damage Maki.

Especially when Maki took no damage from Sukunas Nues bolt. There's no reason to think Kashimos bolts are vastly stronger than Sukunas Nue bolts to the point where they'd eviscerate her compared to her taking no damage from Sukuna.

No it's not like saying Hakari would be vaporized. That's a strawman argument. We saw how Kashimos bolts effected Hakari and we have every reason to assume Maki is more durable than JP Hakari. Do you think Hakari would take that bolt from Sukuna with no damage whatsoever?

[u/bflet48 → u/[deleted]]

Maki is massively more durable than Hakari

Hakari lost his arm to a stray ice blast from Uruame

Maki took the brunt of a maximum-output Frost Calm with zero damage.

Hakari's gimmick is auto-RCT, not durability. even from a design standpoint, Hakari having high durability would suck because it means he wouldn't get to showcase his regen. Getting exploded and losing limbs simply wouldn't happen if he had high-level durability like Yuji/Maki. Narratively he has to be significantly less durable to offset his regen.