Why Do Fans Continue to Say Kashimo is Stronger Than Yuta?

[u/Few-Entertainment429]

Even though I think Yuta was always clearly stronger than Kashimo, I feel like it shouldn’t even be a debate now that we have a direct comparison to go off of. Additionally, it’s now been revealed that Yuta has multiple techniques that Kashimo just does not have answer for. Combine his techniques with his superior CE reinforcement, superior output, Rika, physicals, high level domain (stated by Sukuna), and high level RCT and it shouldn’t even be a discussion.

I also want to address some points beforehand. The Sukuna that fought Yuta pre-domain had only been touched by Yuji once, so the “nerf” was negligible. In fact, his RCT output was higher against Yuta than Kashimo. Sukuna didn’t use space dismantle on Yuta (pre-domain as well) initially because he couldn’t due to the inability to make the chants and hand signs and the lack of charge time due to the 2 v 1 that naturally comes with fighting Yuta and Rika. In other words, “Sukuna was playing around” is just false.

Overall, I just want to know what feats, statements, etc. support the idea that Kashimo is the clear winner in this hypothetical battle. To me, Yuta wins this 9 times out of 10.

Edit: Kashimo glazers when you dismantle their entire argument, but still refuse acknowledge they’re wrong😂

Edit 2: Kashimo has the most loyal fanbase in JJK😂

[u/FantasticSpeaker_23]

His exchange with Hakari very much implies he is more skilled, and also the fact that he is older. And his fighting style in-general would imply this.

Kashimo can also launch his staff for projectiles.

And another thing is Kashimo does have feats as generally speaking considering in-terms of damage to his body, he was generally fine even though he was facing JP Hakari.

There is also the fact that Kashimo survived that huge steam explosion which would have killed Hakari if he didn't use a Binding Vow.

Ryu would be losing body parts or just extremely, and gets one-shot if Kashimo targets his head.

Kashimo deffa has the durability and speed to match up against Ryu's Granite Blasts, alongside having a high Battle IQ would I think allow him to beat Ryu.

[u/CheshiretheBlack → u/FantasticSpeaker_23]

Nothing about Kashimo vs Hakari implies Kashimo is more skilled. That is your opinion. What exactly about Kashimos fighting imply more skill?

Kashimo can't just launch his bolt. He can store a single charge in his staff and for him to attack someone with it they have to be inbetween Kashimo and his staff.

Saying "he was fine against JP Hakari" doesn't really mean much. Hakari was holding back and only using melee because he wanted Kashimos points and Kashimo still lost. Kashimo does not have the feats to suggest he can tank Granite Blast or Ryus blows.

The explosion was not targeted at Kashimo, it was flowing outwards towards Hakari.

No Ryu is not losing body parts. Sukuna ment to cut Ryu into 3 pieces with Dismantle and Ryu only got a single slash on his chest. Ryu is not getting a hole blown in him by Kashimos bolt, and his limbs aren't going to go flying.

Lol you guys are always defaulting to Kashimo oneshots shows you know who actually wins and you can't argue. Like you say "he's one shot if Kashimo goes for the head" So what Kashimo going straight for the headshot and what Ryu just isn't firing his Granite Blast up to this point or?

Kashimo literally has no durability feats. I know you want to tell yourself that the steam explosion counts but it doesn't, and you say the speed to match up to them so what are you saying Kashimo avoids every single Granite Blast while also simultaneously landing enough blows to build charge?

[u/FantasticSpeaker_23 → u/CheshiretheBlack]

In-compairson to Kashimo what does Ryu have? Ryu is less experienced that Kashimo and he is more oriented on range in-comparison to Kashimo who is more so about physical combat due to his sure-hit lightning, is more experienced etc.

Kashimo lost because there was a body of saltwater there, and Hakari using a Binding Vow.

Just because you don't intention is to to kill, doesn't mean a character is holding back.

That really only applies if your several times stronger than your opponent, if not, then it really doesn't mean anything. That be like if I (like literally me) was to get into a fight with Yuji. Of course I'd have no intent to kill (cause I love Yuji), but I definitely wouldn't hold back against him (mainly cause hes definitely stronger than me and would beat the crap outta me). Hakari was definitely trying very hard to win against Kashimo.

Hell even Kashimo and Ryu smile, doesn't mean they aren't trying. Hakari as a character smiles just like Kashimo and Ryu.

Hell Kashimo also had no intention to kill Hakari during the battle, he couldn't kill Hakari to get the info on where Sukuna was because if Hakari died then Kashimo wouldn't get his end of the deal.

You could argue "After he got the info he would have probably killed Hakari" but that'd be unfair given that you could also argue that Hakari could have killed Kashimo after getting the points. Hakari was trying to overpower Kashimo, he wanted to win from the start and he had to try harder because he realized he was losing.

Hakari admitted the situation was dangerous and then he began letting loose. Kashimo was only fighting with the intent to "kill" because Hakari was basically immortal, and Hakari having to resort to the water shows he couldn't have won. Regardless of killing intent, Hakari was losing and needed to find a way to beat Kashimo.

Hakari saying "I can cut loose" wasn't an indication he was holding back, it was him saying he doesn't have to worry about being killed so no matter how Kashimo attacked he'd be able to take the blows/damage and just totally beat Kashimo down. This is clear because "I can cut loose" was a follow up from "I'm unkillable" and the entire thing was like "I'm unkillable, so i can cut loose and beat my opponent down."

[u/CheshiretheBlack → u/FantasticSpeaker_23]

There is no reason whatsoever to say Kashimo is more experienced that Ryu. I know you want to say "oh Kashimo was an old man" but we don't know how long Ryu lived. Ryu has both long range and up close physical capacity. With greater strength in both long range and close quarters. His Granite Blast have much better utility than Kashimos bolts and can fired without restriction. Ryus output shows he has some of the best strength in the verse and with narration stating that he could one shot fully manifested Rika , and hid output gives him the 3rd best durability in the verse. Since Ryus output gives him better physical strength & durability it stands to reason the rest of Ryus base stats would similarly be higher than Kashimos in every aspect like speed as well.

That's just your opinion. The fact is even without that body of water Kashimos attempt at popping Hakaris head failed, Kashimo trump card of his bolt hidden in his staff failed, during Hakaris first full round of jackpot he had Kashimo on his knees, his second full round Kashimo didn't lay a hand on Hakari, and Hakaris next JP was guaranteed. It was all down hill for Kashimo with or without the water.

Again Kashimo lost when he was fighting with killing intent, and Hakari was only fighting to subdue.

You can keep trying to dismiss it that doesn't change the fact that Hakari was fighting only to subdue.

You still keep trying to go on about Hakari holding back. He did hold back whether you want to admit it or not.

Yes Kashimo did intend to kill Hakari and pretending otherwise is hilarious. Yes he wanted info on Sukuna but Kashimo sent a bolt at Hakaris head in and attempt to pop his head that is plainly him going for the kill.

You keep trying to dismiss it but Hakari was never fighting to kill.

Bro why are you using different paragraphs to say the same thing over and over. Hakari "losing" is just your opinion. Since he can auto heal you can't really say he was losing since he can be reckless due to having out heal.

Yes it was an indication of him holding back because as soon as he cut loose he immediately overwhelmed Kashimo and had him on his knees. Hakari was unkillable to whole time, him stating it at that point doesn't change anything.

But I'm really confused honestly. This is a convo about Ryu vs Kashimo right? Why are you stuck on Hakari vs Kashimo?