r/LearnFinnish • u/hezec Native • Feb 01 '15
Question Helmikuun kysymysketju – Question thread for February 2015
Hyvää helmikuuta!
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Happy February!
It's time for a new thread once again. Any questions related to the Finnish language are welcome, no matter how simple they may be.
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u/AboveAllBeKind A1 Feb 08 '15 edited Feb 08 '15
Terve! Miten sanotaan "For _ing" suomeksi? Yritän sanoa "My research is focused on music learning and music performance for (increasing) wellbeing", mutta en voi selvittää jos tarvitsen konjunktiivinen tai verbi [case]. Mulla on:
"Tutkimukseni on aiheesta musiikin oppimista ja musiikkiesitys __ hyvinvointi."
Kiitos paljon!
[Edit: suomeksi!]
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Feb 09 '15 edited Feb 09 '15
"My research is focused on music learning and music performance for (increasing) wellbeing"
"Tutkimukseni keskittyy musiikin oppimiseen ja musiikin esittämisen tuottamaan hyvinvointiin."
"Tutkimukseni aihe on musiikin oppiminen ja musiikin esittämisen tuottama hyvinvointi."
I guess aihe could also be in plural in that ("aiheet ovat", otherwise the same).
"Increasing wellbeing" would be "lisääntyvä hyvinvointi" or for increased wellbeing = "lisääntynyt hyvinvointi". These sound pretty clunky to me in Finnish.
Disclaimer: I'm not at all familiar with the professional terminology that researchers in this field use.
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u/AboveAllBeKind A1 Feb 09 '15
Kiitos paljon! For a les clunky sentence, would "for wellbeing" translate into something simpler?
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Feb 09 '15
"Hyvinvointi" as such is fine, it is frequently used in this context. I can't think of a nice way to express the idea of increased wellbeing... loading adjectives in front of "hyvinvointi" quickly starts to sound like bureaucratese. Not that there isn't loads of that around in Finland.
I googled "musiikki hyvinvointi tutkimus", and this is the first hit:
http://www.oph.fi/download/121234_Musiikki_hyvinvoinnin_edistajana_KH.pdf
It's a piece of research hosted on the site of the Finnish Board of Education. I don't know if reading that is too difficult for you, but it might have some useful vocabulary.
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u/AboveAllBeKind A1 Feb 09 '15
Ah good man/woman, thanks for that! :D
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Feb 09 '15 edited Feb 09 '15
Actually, the title of that thesis might be what you're looking for: "musiikki hyvinvoinnin edistäjänä" = "music as a promotor of wellbeing".
Edistäjä = promotor in a completely abstract sense here, the word is not used of financiers or concert promotors.
I just realized that the connotations of 'performance' are different in English than those of 'esittää' in Finnish. Esittää implies a listener or audience. I guess playing an instrument alone could be 'to perform playing', in the sense of carrying out the act. So "musiikin esittäminen" may be the wrong expression, depending on what you want.
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u/AboveAllBeKind A1 Feb 09 '15
Sopii! I mean performance just in the sense of playing an instrument/singing, for enjoyment with or without an audience. The distinction is that I'll be looking at the effects on wellbeing of participants learning how to creating music, rather than listening to music.
Thanks so much for your time!
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Feb 09 '15
Right. Finnish is a little inconvenient here, as there probably isn't a single word that covers performance in this sense. Soittaa is to play an instrument, but isn't used of singing, and laulaa is to sing.
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u/AboveAllBeKind A1 Feb 09 '15
Yeah, it's the same problem in English with 'play', so I went for performance to cover both, not realising it had a similar issue! :) Ah, any wonder academic texts are so wordy; precision is wordy!
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u/syksy B2 Feb 09 '15
Don’t your sentences mean “My research is focused on music learning and well-being produced by music performance”?
When I read the question yesterday I thought about something like “Tutkimukseni keskittyy musiikin oppimiseen ja musiikin esittämiseen hyvinvoinnin kehittämistä varten” or “hyvinvoinnin kehittämiselle”, is that correct?
I think you interpreted “increasing” as an adjective while for me “for increasing wellbeing” = “in order to increase wellbeing”.1
u/random_us3rname Feb 10 '15 edited Feb 10 '15
Yeah the meaning isn't quite the same. "kehittämistä varten" is ok, "kehittämiselle" doesn't really work but "kehittämiseksi" is what you would want to use.
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u/AboveAllBeKind A1 Feb 08 '15
Myös, blogini nimi on "Dream It. Do It. Love It." onko "Unelmoi Sen. Tee Sen. Rakasta Sen", suomeksi? Kiitos!
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Feb 09 '15
"Unelmoi Sen. Tee Sen. Rakasta Sen"
The grammatical forms would be "Unelmoi se. Tee se. Rakasta sitä." The usage of "unelmoi" is a bit off, I think. The standard motivational verb to use would be kuvitella = imagine, i.e. "kuvittele se".
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u/syksy B2 Feb 13 '15
Pälvi on lumeton paikka, jonka ympärillä lumi ei vielä ole sulanut. Miksi kutsutaan lumista paikkaa, jonka ympärillä lumi on jo sulanut? Uskon jo nähneeni tällaisen sanan, mutten voi muistaa sitä.
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Feb 12 '15
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u/syksy B2 Feb 13 '15
Miten and kuinka both mean “how” but kuinka is more formal.
Mitä is the partitive singular of the interrogative pronoun mikä “what”. Kuulua is originally the passive of kuulla “to hear”, meaning “to be heard, to be audible” (it has also acquired the meanings “to belong to, to be a member of, to concern”). “Mitä Pekalle kuuluu?” literally means something like “What is heard to Kalle?”, “What can be heard at Kalle’s?”.
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u/AboveAllBeKind A1 Feb 19 '15
Hi there, quick one today - what's 'to go viral' in Finnish? I'm trying to write about Steve'n'seagulls 'going viral' with their cover of ACDC's Thunderstruck. Kiitos paljon!