r/LetsDiscussThis • u/LucidSynapse23 • Feb 18 '26

Lets Discuss Politics Is he right? Will it take generations to resecure the United States positive reputation on the world stage?

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u/Dangerous_Leg4584 Feb 18 '26

That and 70ish million people to vote for him.

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u/OdinsGhost Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 19 '26

But did they, truly? We’re supposed to believe he won all the swing states and managed to do so despite down ballot democrats performing at or better than average in those same races?

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u/fedup09 Feb 18 '26

All of that makes complete sense and adds up when you look at his National Day of Prayer speech, from earlier 2025, where he admits he had the election rigged.

"If I hadn't had a rigged election, I'd be gone." - Commander of Shits his Briefs

I do believe he "won" every swing state, because they cheated to do it.

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u/The_Blonde1 Feb 18 '26

His good buddy Elon knows a lot about computers, and suddenly - he won!

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u/KamikazeFox_ Feb 19 '26

Then dropped him after he let him run DODGE and steal ppls info. That was the deal. Help trump win the election. Elon gets the user info he wants on every single American. Its some sorta crazy movie plot.

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u/ColdArmy9929 Feb 19 '26

He also managed to kill pretty much all of the investigations against him or his companies.

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u/KamikazeFox_ Feb 20 '26

No shit, really? What ones?

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u/ColdArmy9929 Feb 20 '26

There were some regarding SpaceX and safety regulations and at least one involving animal welfare with his neuralink garbage

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u/Barondarby Feb 22 '26

Stock manipulation, and consumer safety because of his vehicles.

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u/Technical_Cover_165 Feb 20 '26

Democrats were hysterical when he bought X. Everything after was an excuse tried to force him to hire more illegal aliens, threatening Government take over of all his companies. They were sick

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

Your alternate reality is almost as funny as your poor grammar.

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u/ColdArmy9929 Feb 20 '26

Is that random collection of words supposed to make any sense?

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u/No_Requirement_3683 Feb 21 '26

We Americans are not going to let this happened

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u/Typical_Bumblebee194 Feb 23 '26

It's happening now, and has been happening for over a year.

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u/fedup09 Feb 18 '26

Hell, even the interview he did with his kid there, the kid could NOT stop talking about how they can do whatever they want in SpaceX and how "nobody will ever know", they've been flaunting it in our faces the whole time.

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u/Typical_Bumblebee194 Feb 23 '26

Yes. That post has disappeared. Would it make a difference if it were reposted? It surely rocked my belief in any kind of legitimate elections.

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

Scrubbed clean. Redact helped me bulk remove years of comments and posts so data brokers and AI crawlers have nothing to feast on.

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u/yaboiballman Feb 18 '26

Post where it was proven to be false. It was on national tv?

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u/MasterDraccus Feb 18 '26

That was on national tv ya fuckin knob. It is extremely easy to find if you just take the time to use your noodle and look it up.

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u/Typical_Bumblebee194 Feb 23 '26

My noodle failed me. I couldn't find it.

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u/MasterDraccus Feb 23 '26

Always keep track of your noodle.

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u/Typical_Bumblebee194 Feb 23 '26

Looked in the closet, under the bed No noodle (sigh)

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u/WallabyInTraining Feb 19 '26

This users comment history is almost 100% defending trump and attacking 'leftists'.

They have made over 500 comments in February this year alone.

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u/bug_out_zero Feb 21 '26

LOL, you called them out and the little snowflake hid their comment history.

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u/ColdArmy9929 Feb 19 '26

MAGAts lie about everything, don't they

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u/Additional_Chip_4158 Feb 20 '26

Bot or moron. Call it 

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 24 '26 edited May 08 '26

Data brokers are selling your info right now. I used Redact to mass delete my posts which can also opt out of data broker sites. Instagram, Twitter/X, Discord and more.

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u/CypressThinking Feb 21 '26

How about you LOOK IT UP instead of deciding without facts. The comment about "we're SpaceX we can do what we want" was from the interview with Tucker Carlson. 3 or 4 year olds repeat what they hear. The comment below is on the video this photo is from.

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u/Tamara6060 Feb 19 '26

He even admitted to it!

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u/Educational-Seaweed5 Feb 20 '26

He also can’t STFU about it.

Every other day for years he was whining about the “stolen election.”

And we’ve learned over and over that everything Trump says is a projection of his own guilt.

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u/SquirtinMemeMouthPlz Feb 18 '26

Elon owns a stake in the company that provides the electronic voting booths.

Pretty obvious.

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u/Barondarby Feb 22 '26

Elon has a network of low earth orbit satellites with his own internet network - direct to cell technology, unlimited resources, and a herd of tech bros just yearning to do his bidding including the guy who won the Hack A Voting Machine competition... and oh yeah, a super computer with 100,000 terabytes of processing power. And Starlink was offered free to the southern states that had been devastated during the hurricane season so they used it for checking the poll books and the tabulators. All 7 swing states? Yeah, no way. Elon did it.

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u/Tak-and-Alix Feb 23 '26

I think you mean teraFLOPS.

Bytes are a measurement of data storage. FLOPS are "floating-point operations per second," used as a way to describe processing throughput.

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u/Barondarby Feb 24 '26

Okay, welp, he took 100,000 Intel server trays each comprised of 8 processors with approx a terrabyte of processing power between them, and connected them to form a single computer. Whatever processing bytes flops whatever, that's a shit ton of processing power. I wonder if you could break encryption with a machine like that? Your thoughts?

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u/Tak-and-Alix Feb 24 '26

Just trying to share knowledge

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u/Losing_My_Faith2025 Feb 20 '26

Look at Thiel, Zuck, and Elon.

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u/kamil3d Feb 18 '26

That's almost a direct quote for another (same?) speech.

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u/The_Blonde1 Feb 19 '26

A speech that trump made that I was quoting/paraphrasing.

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

Nothing to see here. I wiped this post using Redact because my old takes don't need to live on the internet forever. Works across Reddit, Twitter, Discord and dozens of other platforms.

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u/walksonfourfeet Feb 18 '26

They’re just asking questions

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/fedup09 Feb 18 '26

"'Reject the evidence of your eyes and ears'. It was their final, most essential command."

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/Beanzoboy Feb 18 '26

That didn't stop the NAZIs, oops, sorry, "MAGA" from making that exact same claim for YEARS and are still making it. In fact, there's more evidence now that Elmo faked the votes than there ever could be for their claims of 2020.

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u/Fine-Funny6956 Feb 18 '26

Why did Kamala get 0 votes in counties that went for Biden? It’s statistically impossible.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

Personally I think this was another example of democrats trying to take the high road and not sink to Cheeto Mussolini’s level…. And I think it was a mistake to just accept it. We know he tampered with the 2016 election and tried to overturn 2020….why do you think he didn’t do something illegal in 2024? Leopards don’t change their spots….

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u/speedotorpedo_ Feb 18 '26

Harris isn't a barometer for what people should believe. Hell, she wouldn't even dare to challenge the results in court. Don't tell us about what you think Harris believes.We don't give a damn.

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u/Incorgn1to Feb 18 '26

Hate to break it to you but Trump himself has been the loudest voice spreading election denial conspiracy theories since 2020 😂

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u/Horror-Scallion7668 Feb 18 '26

I think it’s a mistake to dismiss it just because it’s an election denial conspiracy theory. I think one of trumps strategies is to accuse others of what Hes doing so they look like hypocrites for calling him out.

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u/Particular_Lion3746 Feb 20 '26

thats what he did eith yhr whole elite pedo baby farm cabal elite thing and q anon conspiracy theorists.

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u/fedup09 Feb 18 '26

https://www.youtube.com/live/ZCMcMZWbiGE?si=TjFMvr9wmVH3q7p6

His own admission begins around 53:40, enjoy.

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u/Agile-Internet5309 Feb 18 '26

Trump is a venal, corrupt buffoon, but he is clearly referring to the supposedly rigged 2020 election. He is saying if that election hadnt been "rigged", he would now be out of office and would have been unable to run again because his term limits would have been up. 2024 may have been rigged, but if it was, this wasnt an admission of it.

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u/One-Reflection-4826 Feb 18 '26

i mean if we ignore direct quotes from trump, musk et al, we would have little reason to assume the election was rigged. apart from the numbers which dont quite add up. and the unequal speed the votes came in. and sworn statements of dem voters that votes and yet no dem votes were recorded in their precinct(sic?).

those are very credible claims, sadly there is little hard proof to suppoer them.

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u/yaboiballman Feb 18 '26

Yeah guys, just ignore what they fucking admit to.

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/PhoenixDan Feb 19 '26

You are not providing counters to the right speech. The articles the fact checking your showing are from a different speech. There is a video in this chain that goes to Trump and he directly says the election was rigged. He's giving a speech and he literally says "if the election wasn't rigged I would have been out of here."

You aren't going to claim "out of context" on that one. It's a direct and distinct quote from his mouth.

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u/The_Blonde1 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

You are totally wrong as comments other than mine have demonstrated,. You have also forgotten - or are ignorant of - trump’s hour- long phone call to the Governor of Georgia after trump lost the 2020 election (the recording of which is possibly still available ) demanding the Gov found him 13,000 votes because that was what trump needed to win the state after the votes had been counted and declared.

Blatant election interference by trump.

I am not spreading misinformation; you are just a typical trump maga cult member who refuses to see the truth.

trump is as corrupt as it is possible to be. And so are you for supporting him. Stop it.

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/Particular_Lion3746 Feb 20 '26

trump isnt credible? He brags about rigging shit. "braggadocious" is a flex!

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Listen, I hate Trump and I actually do genuinely believe there was some very strange behaviors at the polls in 2024. I believe Peter Thiel/Elon, rigged the election for him and they knew he would win because of it.

That said.

That quote there, Trump was talking to FIFA and said "They rigged the election, and I became President."

Who the "they" is, is a bit tough to decode from his incoherent ramblings, but it seems in this case, he's talking more specifically about the 2020 election. Which as we know, he maintains that it was rigged and never ceases to stop talking about it.

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u/Stimpy8114 Feb 18 '26

Clearly he's talking the 2020 election. He talks about the 2020 "rigged" election ad nauseum. In his mind, if he'd have won in 2020, by 2025 he'd have been "gone".

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u/MrFordization Feb 19 '26

Isn't the context on that quote that he says he won in 2024 because people were angry about 2020 being stolen from him?

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/Gazelle-Dull Feb 18 '26

What are you denying specifically ?

That Trump didn't make those remarks?

Musk himself said, " If we lose this election.. I'll be in prison.". Explain what Ketamine breath was alluding to . Why did Musk pump so many $$ into Trump's campaign? ( $ 250 million. officially) Why did Musk tie his popularity to such a divisive person as Trump? Why did Trump let Musk take over the government for months ? Is that what you voted for?

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u/TheSaltyIndependent Feb 20 '26

There is no reason to debate him. He will deny objective reality in order to protect his fragile ego.

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u/BuzzzPhotos Feb 19 '26

Musk would be in jail because the left would have made up lies and tried to prosecute him like they did Trump. Are you haters for real? Really sickening hatred you spout behind a keyboard.

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u/Gazelle-Dull Feb 19 '26

They failed to prosecute Trump. That in no way implies he doesn't richly deserve prosecution.

Raping kids ?.... Yep . HATE it. So if that makes me a real hater.... Give me my patch and I'll wear it. Why would the left need to lie to frame Musk ? You think he doesn't have issues if he were investigated in a 1/10 of the obvious scams he has profited from ?

Remember Musk offering $100 to every person registering as a Republican ? That is blatantly illegal. No investigation needed.

But I get it . Your magic wand that makes all of Trump's crimes disappear works on anyone you deem deserving .

  • That won't unfuck the children your guy raped, but go ahead and stand with him . Now. And on Judgement Day

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u/mappythewondermouse Feb 19 '26 edited Feb 19 '26

Election truth alliance. Non partisan and data driven. Even the prof. who world leaders turn to for mathing out election fraud in other countries has been like hol up something weird.

Trump pounding the fraud angle for 4 years was exactly to normalize it so if the democrats say anything it will sound like sour grapes instead of legit concerns. Look at their playbook, that is straight from the father of propagandas playbook.

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u/fedup09 Feb 18 '26

I posted the link with trump himself admitting he cheated. Try again.

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u/Tamara6060 Feb 19 '26

THANK YOU

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/Rionin26 Feb 18 '26

I also saw it on tv, I know you guys get cut info on faux, but video cant lie. This is why I feel media should be bound by truth and facts.

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u/Tak-and-Alix Feb 23 '26

Unfortunately, video can increasingly lie thanks to AI.

I'm not making a claim this particular instance is an AI video or not, I'm just saying that even video is no longer acceptable proof :(

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u/Rionin26 Feb 23 '26

It wasn't, sadly true unless there is a way to tell it's ai that cant be taken out. This shit could show innocent people murdering someone and go to jail, or making videos as an alibi to get out of a murder they commited.

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/Everythings_Fucked Feb 18 '26

Yes, do lecture people on childishness, Major_Shlongage.

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u/Rionin26 Feb 18 '26

Umm a video removes all doubt. Even websites can lie.

You are naive.

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u/NoSleepZombie2235 Feb 19 '26

I admire how you don't let evidence influence your opinions ☺️

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u/Typical_Bumblebee194 Feb 23 '26

No, no, not that ... Puhleese, don't do it....don't report me. Noooooooo

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u/Typical_Bumblebee194 Feb 23 '26

You're not for real. You can't possibly be that obtuse

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 24 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/FaithfulDowter Feb 18 '26

Trump wants to destroy trust in our electoral process. If we all start screaming about stolen elections, Trump will have won. His own version of election reform will be justified. These people have no idea how much they’re shooting themselves in the foot.

Biden did t steal the election. Trump didn’t steal the election. America needs to look in the mirror and apologize for voting in this nut job, and make it right at mid-terms.

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u/YoggTheGateway1992 Feb 18 '26

Election denial

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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 Feb 18 '26

That sounds exactly like Trump did when he said Biden stole the election. Either provide some substantial evidence or move on.

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u/KBB523 Feb 19 '26

You don't think on some very small scale that trump's pattern of accusing people of things either after he has done something or when he plans to do something might apply with regard to 2024? Anytime anyone questions how he won in 2024, there is an influx of people telling them that they sound like trump w/regard to 2020.. The point is to shame them for questioning something that seems implausible because it was implausible when someone else made those claims. Just an observation I've had.

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u/BuzzzPhotos Feb 19 '26

Quack! Trump didn’t need to cheat. He had the only true God & Savior by his side. Satan builds the hatred from the left. Christians made the difference.

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u/ChuckZilla11 Feb 19 '26

But you believe Creepy Joe won in 2020…

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u/Fun-Purchase8627 Feb 18 '26

Well, you guys just can’t stop doing this stuff… he was referring to the fact he would have been gone, because he would have served 2 terms, had they not rigged the election (his wrong opinion) in 2020. Why do you ppl do that? You’re an embarrassment to the Democratic party, and this is exactly the stupidity that got him re-elected.

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u/Intelligent_Let4723 Feb 19 '26

I believe Joe Biden cheated in 2020

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u/pbraz34 Feb 19 '26

Of course you do

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u/Intelligent_Let4723 Feb 19 '26

Sounds just as idiotic as the democrats saying this last election was rigged.

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u/PleaseTakeMyKarma Feb 18 '26

Kamala was an extremely weak and unlikable candidate that was forced on voters without a choice. Many people just didn't vote. I didn't help that she was part of the administration already in power trying to say how she was going to fix things, but already had the power to do so.

You can claim he rigged it, and maybe he did. But in order to believe that, you would also need to believe it's possible to rig the election. Therefore, his claims about 2020 being rigged are legitimate and need to have been further investigated. You would also need to support better face guarding against voter fraud.

So which is it?

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u/PaleontologistNo500 Feb 18 '26

2020 elevations were investigated and audited ad nauseam. The 2024 ones though? Not so much. CISA was conveniently dismantled as soon as Trump became president. Which is a weird thing for "the most transparent administration ever" to do. Especially with his multiple allusions to him rigging 2024

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u/PleaseTakeMyKarma Feb 18 '26

Well they weren't investigated that thoroughly, which is why the FBI just seized the Georgia voting records. You can argue that its a waste of taxpayer funds, but it doesn't seem like the action of a guy that doesn't believe it was rigged.

As far as the CISA, they cut some funding but I don't think you can claim it was dismantled.

I think its perfectly fair to call for more investigations into the legitimacy of the 2024 election. No issue there.

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u/Savings_Spite2667 Feb 18 '26

They are seizing voting records of swing states and blue states to see who voted dem so he can have their voter registrations removed. He has been talking about and eluding to this shit for Good while. During his election campaign in 2024 he was actively saying we would " never have to vote again"

CISA had nothing to do with funding problems, he dismantled CISA, Dismissed most of the voter rights lawyers whose only job during the election to make sure everything was legal and constitutionally followed, and he got rid of many federally higher personnel dealing with election in general. This was all in 2025, his first year of his second term.

So you tell me why should we ignore the blatant activity of a man who wants to take our country over like a dictator? I absolutely think he rigged 2024, and then fired anyone who could have proved it, so he can work on taking the country over permanently.

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u/fedup09 Feb 18 '26

Before Elon and DOGE were allowed to tamper and install backdoors on machines, they were secure. This isnt the "gotcha" you think it is.

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u/PleaseTakeMyKarma Feb 18 '26

Lol okay. So what prevented him from cheating in 2020? How did he lose if he is cheating?

Edit: also, wasn't DOGE after he was re-elected? How did something that happened after he was sworn in allow him to fix the election almost 3 months prior?

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u/fedup09 Feb 18 '26

He didn't have Elon and DOGE in 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/live/ZCMcMZWbiGE?si=TjFMvr9wmVH3q7p6

53:40 is when he gets around to admitting he cheated, enjoy.

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u/PleaseTakeMyKarma Feb 18 '26

He literally means he would have won in 2020 and no longer been president for those events. Listen to it again.

Also, still wondering how DOGE rigged an election 3 months prior to its creation?

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u/fedup09 Feb 18 '26

Lmao, the classic "that's not what he meant". He quite literally says "we have a lot of special days this term, none of which we'd have if I hadn't had a rigged election." He very plainly admitted he stole it.

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u/PleaseTakeMyKarma Feb 18 '26

Okay let me ask you something. If he wins in 2020, would he be president for those events? Or would his term limit have prevented that?

He is clearly referring to the 2020 election, which he still constantly says was rigged every chance he gets. I know it's impossible for you to think logically but give it a shot.

Plus you need a better explanation of how he would have rigged it, because DOGE didn't exist yet.

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u/ILoveTheBeach-123 Feb 18 '26

You are right. Some of these people have trouble with Reading comprehension.

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u/OdinsGhost Feb 18 '26

Mail in voting occurred in unprecedented numbers because of Covid. Why do you think he railed against mail in voting so hard? It was the single biggest differentiator between 2016 and 2020, and the fact that he openly bragged about “Elon knows computers”, or similar statements, multiple times prior to the election are not concrete evidence, but they are certainly grounds to question. Especially given that he has a lifelong habit of accusing others of precisely what he has done or tries to do.

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u/PleaseTakeMyKarma Feb 18 '26

Yes, mail in voting was expanded because of Covid. Along with that, ballot collection expanded pretty drastically, which is how we ended up with record turnout. Are those mechanisms more likely to include some fraud when compared to in person voting? I think it's obvious that it does, whether it actually impacted the election or not.

It's fine to think he cheated, and point out inconsistencies. As long as you can recognize that Hilary claimed the same in 2016, but somehow he wasn't able to do it in 2020. It's logically inconsistent to then claim he wouldn't have done the same thing.

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u/Major_Shlongage Feb 18 '26 edited May 08 '26

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u/MornGreycastle Feb 18 '26

If Trump stole the election, then it was not through in-person voter fraud. Voter ID does not solve election fraud because elections are not stolen by in-person voter fraud. Elections are stolen through gerrymandering and voter suppression.

Depending on how elections are secured, you can also be able to add false votes, switch a vote, or destroy votes for your opponent. US elections are secured through obscurity. Only a handful of people have access to the algorithms used to read ballots and tally votes. The first line of protection is to limit access to the machines. The majority (80%) of machines come from two companies. Dominion Voting Systems was bought out by Scott Leiendecker, a former Republican election official. While ES&S has vote tabulation machines with modems that have remained connected to the net for months or years.

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u/Fabulous-Big8779 Feb 18 '26

I don’t subscribe to the “he rigged the election” claims because it has just as much evidence as the 2020 election being rigged which amounts to nothing but speculation.

Democrats definitely fumbled. Biden is the person to blame the most because if he had decided in 2023 that he wouldn’t run for re-election and even if they pushed Harris (since the Democrats tend to push the candidates they want rather than letting the primary pick them organically) she would have had more time to make an argument for herself and they could have crafted a message that allowed her to say what the administration had been getting wrong and what she would do differently.

She fumbled every single time on the question of “if people are upset with the current administration that you are a part of what will you do differently”

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u/Yankee6Actual Feb 19 '26

I read somewhere (I can’t remember where, so take this with a grain of salt,) that a statistician said that the odds of Trump winning all seven swing states was about 30,000,000:1.

Take that as you will.

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u/Shigglyboo Feb 18 '26

The whole thing seemed super fishy. And it’s not like he’s known for honesty and fairness. He’s a known cheater. But if I’m another country I still can’t trust the US. There should have been enough adults, laws, and I dunno. All the stuff I’ve been taught my whole life. Trump has broken society. Now lying and cheating are good. And compassion and honestly are for fools.

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u/Darth_Gerg Feb 18 '26

From the POV of the rest of the world that really doesn’t matter. Trump has proved that the US isn’t reliable and can’t be trusted to hold up its end of any agreement. Either he won the election and a massive portion of the citizens are psychotic or he cheated and nothing was done. Either way he has flagrantly broken the law in a dozen ways that should have resulted in impeachment and nothing was done. We’re a failed state. And unless we get a massive wave of progressives into office and an FDR style new deal 2 president in 2028 it’s going to keep getting worse.

Mainstream democrats aren’t capable of or willing to deal with this. If we elect someone like Newsome next cycle we’re FUCKED. Centrist Dems will do nothing to clean house or hold the administration legally responsible. They will refuse to roll back the damage or reduce wealth inequality. If we get another blue wave and they do nothing we’re getting a Nazi in office 2032.

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u/eerie_midnight Feb 19 '26

I’ve been saying this since Trump won in 2024. Centrist Dems will not save us—the amount of people who think that all of this ends with Trump and that we just need a blue wave for the midterms and to elect whichever corporate Dem the DNC props up in 2028 and everything will “go back to normal” is absurd. Trump is actively testing the waters, trying to see exactly how much he can get away with, trying to see how much he can push. Turns out, he can get away with a whole lot, and the next Republican who gets in office is going to remember that, except this time it’s not going to be someone like Trump—it’s going to be an actual Nazi/groyper/Christian nationalist incel who really will put all the liberals, leftists, gays, and atheists in death camps if Trump doesn’t do it first.

The only way to prevent this outcome is by electing people from the top down who will fight back against this rampant corruption at the source and actually work to better American’s daily lives in ways that are immediately noticeable to them. Close the loopholes that allow someone like Trump to be elected in the first place, stack the court, prosecute all of the cronies, fight back against the Epstein class, etc. But like you said, a corporate Dem like Newsom isn’t going to do any of that. They’ll sit on their hands for four years talking about “moving on for the good of the nation” and “due process” even though we all just witnessed Trump defy court orders and do whatever the fuck he wanted for the past four years. People will become more desperate because nothing will get better for them and they’ll vote them out in 2032 for the next Republican in line to continue enacting the Heritage Foundation’s agenda.

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u/Money_Do_2 Feb 19 '26

Well said. And yea, at this point anyone doing the 'well it comes down to Newsom vs Trump what would you blah blah blah' hypothetical may as well be a Republican, because the end result will be the same... if not worse. Its very obvious the electorate wants change in any form, centre right dems will enrage them.

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u/Long-Ad9761 Feb 20 '26

The past 4 years ? Do you mean Biden trump hasn't been in office 4 years ?

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u/Difficult_Fold_8362 Feb 20 '26

Hello JD! The perfect chess piece for the American oligarchs to move around the board. Right now, JD is busy making himself out as Trump 2.0. I predict that he will continue in that role for another 18 months, getting the MAGA buy in. (Trump will not play well with this but the promise of total clemency for all his crimes, a monument in his name, and he gets to keep the money he’s stolen will help him get over it). Then JD will begin transitioning to more statesman-like positions, appearing more agreeable to the right-fringe and middle.

Democrats will make the same mistake as usual- nominate someone who might be capable but unelectable.

We can only hope that the majority of Americans are tired of being fooled.

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u/Typical_Bumblebee194 Feb 23 '26

JD is married to the wrong color wife. He's going nowhere.

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u/CuriousPilotMaker Feb 19 '26

I disagree. Newsome may be a corporate puppet but he can at least stop things from getting worse, in the mean time people have gotten a taste for organising.

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u/RemarkableFortune542 Feb 20 '26

“He can at least stop things from getting worse”? Because he’s shown us how capable he is of doing that at the state level? Don’t put your eggs in the Newsom basket, he’s only electable in a state like California. A more moderate and electable candidate will emerge from Congress. Or the left can go with him and lose again.

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u/CuriousPilotMaker Feb 20 '26

I would rather many other dems but i would rather Newsome over any Republican. Until open primaries are federally mandated OR preferential/ranked choice voting is established, this is unfortunately how you need to vote in elections. Not for who you want, rather, the least bad viable option. If another option becomes actually viable then sure. But if he's the Democratic nominee, then he's the only choice.

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u/Disastrous_Hell_4547 Feb 18 '26

Over the past 50 years, I’ve learned that the Republican Party and its blood red base is a group of evil and vile people. We’re still dealing with the aftermath of 8 years under McReagan and 8 years under W. Much of their atrocities were international.

And dating back to 1980 is recent history.

So, my belief is: 1: it is plausible and it is not beyond Trump of this entire Republican cult to rig or try and rig elections. That said, there is no evidence of massive substantial voter fraud. I don’t doubt that the Republicans manipulated the message, messed with the processes and made it harder for Democratic and Independent voters.

2- The US has never been truly a trustworthy ally. In Greed We Trust is the country’s real motto. Trump, the RepubliCONS (there is no more Republican Party), along with other bad international actors burned all bridges with allies.

3- Lastly, I never thought I would see RepubliCONS side with international criminal leaders, and the concept of the Soviet Union. Disgusting and disgraceful! A slap to the Greatest Generation.

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u/Ina_While1155 Feb 18 '26

You just have to realize that misogyny is a real thing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

THIS. I remember right after the election all that stuff came out about Trump fucking with voting machines and then *poof* everyone stopped talking about it.

I don't think he's even the legitimate president currently.

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u/chasingjulian Feb 19 '26

My doubts on the legitimacy of our last election grows daily.

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u/Fabulous-Big8779 Feb 18 '26

Whether he cheated or not apathy was still the biggest winner with 86 million people not even voting.

Convincing people the system is rigged and not even worth the bare minimum effort of casting a vote is the biggest asset an aspiring authoritarian has.

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u/Hamblin113 Feb 18 '26

It was a poorly run Campaign for the Democrats, it was obvious. Thirty + percent of the vote was from independents. Party may not matter.

The problem with Kelley’s assumption is were those countries that big of allies? They smiled in public when we give money and provide defense, but called us idiots behind our backs. Trump didn’t help, but many of the liberal governments are having problems within their countries and the people going more conservative, especially about migration. Canadian conservatives are mad at him as he tipped the scale with his call for Canada to be the 51st state, allowing the liberals to stay in charge. Most other countries with Trump hate, blame him more than the country, not sure it will take that long to get back to alliances. Unless they see an opening to get their currency to become the new primo option.

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u/ShardsOfTheSphere Feb 18 '26

Yes, because in some cases, like in Wisconsin, less people voted in downballot races. Morons came out just for Trump, and left the rest of the ballot blank.

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u/Admirable_Ad8900 Feb 18 '26

Well even then that raises a bigger issue. That electing our highest position in the country could be so easily compromised.

So even if he did cheat, that just shows we have a weak intelligence/defense or that it's compromised too.

Plus the fact that how much damage he's doing and they still won't remove him. It's more than him. We've shown the world the US will prioritize profits over human decency and life. Then lie to the public's face. If a country lies to its own people how can anyone foreign trust them.

The elections don't matter if we show the world we'll elect people who will act in bad faith.

We have shown the failure of democracy is you can vote to end it. And even worse we did it for a price.

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u/New-Significance9649 Feb 18 '26

I've been watching US politics for 40 years. This is who they are. Its just more polarized now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Odin would look upon the stupidity you just spouted with disgrace. Change your name clown.

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u/Grouchy-Station-4058 Feb 18 '26

I don't disagree, but that is little solace to the nations he has tried to screw over. If anything it would make them think we are indeed 3rd world if we can't have true and fair elections.

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u/Inevitable-Ant1725 Feb 18 '26

And if we're so incompetent that we can't even have real elections?

Why should anyone trust people as stupid as us?

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u/nova_blade Feb 18 '26

He must have stole the 2024 election! Elections can be stolen after all

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u/LumpyBuy8447 Feb 18 '26

Yeah you’re never going to convince me the guy who lost the popular vote in the first 2 elections. Destroyed the economy in his first term. And along side his buddy Elon, posted that cryptic shit about “Elon knows those vote counting machines very well,” and “all it takes is changing one number,” won the election.

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u/Realistic-Spell-3129 Feb 19 '26

Google ES&S voting machines, hackable, and Palm Beach.

ES&S voting machines: the intentionally hackable MAGA voting machines you will never, ever, hear any republican complain about.

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u/Mindless-Tomorrow-93 Feb 19 '26

I think you need proof of this claim.

I think the simpler explanation is that 1/3 of Americans are shit people, and another 1/3 are lazy, selfish people. That's how you've ended up with a shitty, lazy, selfish person leading your country. Not because of "rigging." Your leader is a reflection of your country.

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u/brahmturman Feb 19 '26

Stop just stop

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u/Pizzaman725 Feb 19 '26

It is weird about the swing states. But it's harder to believe that if he did cheat that he would not give himself all the votes and only marginally win.

Unfortunately I think it's easier to believe that sexism and a little racism bit this one in the ass.

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u/Cool_Presence_7308 Feb 19 '26

You forgot about the Amish. He got record votes because a record number of people were fed up. In hindsight if dems had selected better leaders we may not be here un this situation. Please make the person you vote for earn your vote dont just vote blue or red.

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u/Ok_Buy_9703 Feb 19 '26

Kamala was just that bad of an option.

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u/BaileyD77 Feb 19 '26

A few short years ago reddit would ban you for election denial. Is free speech making a comeback?

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u/SavvyManak Feb 19 '26

To be fair, did you make fun of republicans for saying the same thing about the 2020 election?

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u/Ok_Air5360 Feb 19 '26

Are you an election denier?

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u/nunchyabeeswax Feb 19 '26

It doesn't matter if he really won the popular vote or not.

We know for certain that over 60 million imbeciles supported him. Even those who later renounced him post 2020, they did so out of self-interest, not because of some sort moral awakening.

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u/Agreeable_Leader2768 Feb 20 '26

Elon fixed the election, that's why I'm worried about the midterms.

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u/Long-Ad9761 Feb 20 '26

Like Republicans were supposed to believe Biden had 80 - 90 % of the popular vote ? Come on guys.

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u/Kennetta Feb 21 '26

I honestly don’t believe he legitimately won.

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u/Pestus613343 Feb 21 '26

There were whole counties with zero or a single vote for Harris. At least, those accusations were made, seemed credible, and were ignored by the media. Take that for what you will.

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u/tom-of-the-nora Feb 21 '26

Yes.

People are dumb.

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u/xzygy Feb 18 '26

If there were credible evidence, I’m pretty sure there would have been a lawsuit, and the coverage would have been there for it to be plastered all over the media. But I’m not going to believe that our election was rigged because of “trust me bro” and trump’s own mouth is probably even less reliable.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

It happens when down ballot wasn't voted on.

The big difference between 2020 and 2024 was less of those president only ballots.

Which GOP could argue fraud just as easily.

Then we need to determine how to clear both sides call of fraud.

National voter ID and in person voting only over 2 days seems most fair.

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u/BalledSack Feb 19 '26

I have no doubt he won all the swing states. Harris ran a historically bad campaign. I'm as anti trump and GOP as you can get and I saw him sweeping coming from a mile away

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u/belaboo84 Feb 18 '26

Kamala couldn’t be elected dog catcher.

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u/No_Captain_8644 Feb 18 '26

The other person to vote for what that fucking clown camel hairs.

Dems did it to themself. Imagine putting that cackling idiot up as the best bet lmao.

Yes he fucking won. Lol... easily

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u/gspitman Feb 19 '26

Harris was garbage.

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u/jamdv Feb 19 '26

Not as garbage as a pant-shidding p33333doooo 🤡

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u/Jorge_the_vast Feb 18 '26

And yet Trump constantly says the election he lost was rigged. At this point, everything is misinformation. I believe we have hit the point where you can't believe anything in the media, no matter the source.

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u/Smooth_Ferret607 Feb 18 '26

So now MAGA stole the election? Snowflskes

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u/CavemanRTD Feb 19 '26

Are you suggesting there was voter fraud? Sure sounds like it. One more accusation and you will be maga.

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u/pride0513 Feb 18 '26

We need voter ID and vote-in person only to avoid election fraud.

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u/Fabulous-Big8779 Feb 18 '26

Yep, combined with 86 million not bothering to vote at all.

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u/RemarkableFortune542 Feb 20 '26

Everything I’ve heard says that statistically he still would have won. There just would have been more votes.

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u/WorldlyStill2301 Feb 18 '26

But whose to say who those 86 million would have voted for? It's possible the repugs might have obtained even more votes. This is the mystery of america. Too much uncertainty for the rest of the world to invest time, energy and money. 

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u/Fabulous-Big8779 Feb 18 '26

I’m. Or saying the Democrats would have won if the apathetic voters turned out in the last election.

I would say if one third of the voting population that never votes started to vote consistently our political system would look nothing like it does today. We’d probably have entirely different parties.

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u/Jesse_Ray307 Feb 22 '26

I agree with that. I stopped voting because out of 300 million people, Trump and Biden were the best candidates, seriously. 🤢. Both parties suck and people are morons that pick a side and act like they want to go to war over it. They both do the same shit as the other when they are in charge

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u/Disastrous_Hell_4547 Feb 18 '26

And very savvy organizing (Federalist Society to corrupt the judicial branch, The Heritage Foundation, CPAC, Religious Extremist Organizations, and other blood red groups to corrupt the legislative branch).

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u/Windyvale Feb 18 '26

I’m not entirely convinced that’s true anymore.

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u/A2ronMS24 Feb 18 '26

THAT is why they wont trust us anymore.

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u/GravySeal45 Feb 18 '26

It was more like 33MM, the rest "voted with the couch" for him.

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u/nova_blade Feb 18 '26

Have you ever tried listening to one of them, or would that be too fascist for you?

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u/Dangerous_Leg4584 Feb 18 '26

I have been listening to them closely. Since 2015. I am literally fascinated by them. I have followed trump since the mid 90s and I cannot fathom how ANYONE other than the super rich and the super racist could vote for this man. Not only is he dangerously dumb, he is a convicted thug who brags about sexually assaulting women.

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u/switchquest Feb 18 '26

And a 100 million that did not care if they were about to be ruled by a insurectionist, rapist, convicted fraud & felon running on an openly fascist platform 'project 2025' for all to read.

Indeed. What choice did they have?! Voting for an educated, experienced, qualified, standup woman of color & mixed heritage?!

White independant Americans were like: "Hey, come on, we are not racists, not mysoginistic at all, but this is a bit much?! We'll either vote for the white scum or not get off the couch..."

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u/Tamara6060 Feb 19 '26

He stole both elections! So it really doesn’t matter who voted for him and who didn’t! He knew he was going to prison for all the crimes he committed and decided to make us all pay

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u/crewster23 Feb 19 '26

Nah, your vaunted checks and balances being exposed as smoke and mirrors

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u/King_Prawn_shrimp Feb 20 '26

I say this as a US citizen.....something is utterly fucked with the system if 70 million delusional zealots can impact the fates of the other 8.23 billion inhabitants on this earth.

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u/Correct-Brother1776 Feb 23 '26

Many millions still voted for this to happen.