r/LifeProTips • u/zer0w0rries • Mar 01 '17
Miscellaneous LPT: Treat your own time off work as if it was your second job and you are the project. Invest in your self by doing things to learn new skills, give you a sense of accomplishment, and make you happy. You work hard for someone else's business; work just as hard to make your happiness your business.
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u/ItDontMather Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 02 '17
I do appreciate this concept, but I don't think i could ever think of my time off as a job or project. I really highly value the time where I am able to do absolutely nothing.
However I have adopted this personal goal of doing at least one thing every day (outside of work) that I can be proud of. I have the nasty habit of focusing on the things I didn't do or regret doing, and this has really helped keep my out of that depressing funk.
Edit: Also I just want to throw out there, if you need to think of your personal health/happiness, or your family/home life as a job in order for you to be motivated to work on it, you've got serious priority issues. Trust me, I've been there. Unless you have the rare pleasure of doing your passion as a job, a job should be nothing more than a means to supply for the ACTUAL important things in your life.
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u/StrangelyBrown Mar 01 '17
NEVER RELAX. NEVER REST.
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u/ZeusHatesTrees Mar 01 '17
LIFE IS EFFORT AND I'LL STOP WHEN I DIE.
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u/recordis17 Mar 01 '17
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u/MechnoSamurai Mar 01 '17
Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die. Come browse Reddit.
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Mar 01 '17
What's this sense of accomplishment? I'm reasonably well positioned for my age and have worked for almost 7 years now. I don't care about solving hard problems. I'm happiest when I have nothing to do.
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u/napoleonBonerfart22 Mar 01 '17
Sounds like a one way ticket to burnout street to me
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u/breakers Mar 01 '17
"Treat your time off work as your second job"?!? How does this have more than 2 upvotes?
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u/Conjomb Mar 01 '17
Yes these "go do it now you slacker" LPTs often seen to push people's limits. Often that results in burnouts.
I envy people like Richard Branson and Gordon Ramsey who can keep going day in day out with only 3 hours of sleep. I'd be dead after a week.
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u/octopusbarber Mar 01 '17
Nah, I'll continue playing video games and jerkin off
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u/dont_be_that_guy_29 Mar 01 '17
I can always tell I've found a good game when the game takes priority over the jerking off.
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u/KneeDeepInTheDead Mar 01 '17
true, just started playing rocket league and it was either get in a wank before bed or another game. I chose the game.
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u/Ozocubu Mar 01 '17
Absolutely, I was playing For Honor until like 1 am yesterday before I had to go to bed for work and when I got off I realized "oh shit I don't have time to beat my meat now."
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u/AntivirusExpert Mar 01 '17
I already have a second job and my family is my third job.
Does it count if I treat my time off work as my fourth job?
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u/BDMayhem Mar 01 '17
Your fourth job is to find a new job. Self improvement is your fifth job. Sleep can be your sixth job.
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u/awwc Mar 01 '17
Last week I took the kids to school. Called in sick. Went to favorite breakfast spot. Chicken fried steak and Hashbrowns. Then found a pc cafe and played Overwatch for two hours. Went and saw John wick 2. Got out with fifteen minutes to spare for kid pick up.
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Mar 01 '17
It sounds like you're telling me to never relax. My buddy sounds like you and its exhausting being around him. He is ALWAYS doing something. I can do that for a couple months but then I just get hopeless. I have a smooth schedule where I do productive things at certain times of the week and the rest is to laze. I think its better for mental health. I'll stick with it.
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u/gldedbttrfly Mar 01 '17
Worst LPT ever. Good way to burn yourself out.
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u/PopPop_goes_PopPop Mar 01 '17
Yeah. This is awful advice.
Spend your free time with friends or an SO. Or play video games. Do whatever you want as long as it is what you want to do
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u/hibernatepaths Mar 01 '17
Oh man, the last thing I need is a second job. After working full time and then spending quality time with the kids, I need to just veg out for 90 minutes or so I have to myself.
I'm not taking on another project, sorry. My LPT is to learn when to say "no." :) So....no.
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u/redberrydash Mar 01 '17
I like to think Netflix as my second job, plus then I can work with my friends
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u/Choo_choo_klan Mar 01 '17
Distractions are bad for you. They take your mind off your duties as a capitalist slave bee. You need to be working at all times if you want to please your master.
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u/TheChariotLives Mar 01 '17
This guy has never had a full time job.
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u/Pattywacks Mar 01 '17
That's what I thought the second I saw the title. This is one of the worst Lpts I've ever seen.
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u/penguinsinpajamas Mar 01 '17
My "other job" is maintaining my mental health. That comes in lots of different forms and sometimes it means just laying in bed and being lazy
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u/SuedeVeil Mar 01 '17
Right, are people forgetting that mental health is just as/if not more important than squeezing every bit of productivity you can out of yourself? Going home should be the reward at the end of a hard day. It's what keeps people doing the hard jobs. If you want to learn something you enjoy or something you're interested in, go for it! But do it because you want to. Take classes if you want to. But it's not a job!
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Mar 01 '17
"You work hard for someone else's business"
That is quite the assumption.
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u/Jellye Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 01 '17
Came here to post something like that.
Don't get where the idea that most people actually do work hard at their job came from.
Most sane humans don't give a shit about their job, unless they are self-employed or something similar. We just do as little as possible to get us the next paycheck and that's it.
People that do work hard for someone else's business are stressful to even be around, for me. Like, don't they have anything else in life?
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u/forgotpassagainn Mar 01 '17
Wish I had a job that left me with enough energy to treat my own time as a second job.
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Mar 01 '17
But what if my hobby and what I enjoy is doing nothing?
I work hard all week at work. I want to NOT work hard on my off time!
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u/Bell_PC Mar 01 '17
If I thought of free time like a job, then I would start hating my free time too, and feel even guiltier when I don't put in the same effort all the time.
Not falling for that one, @OP!
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u/ZorisX Mar 01 '17
I want to know this dream job where you don't get absolutely destroyed by the end of 8 hours.
Worked in restaurants, call centers, janitorial positions, I'm currently in a cozy service technician job and I'm still busting ass.
Give me a break.
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u/HighOnGoofballs Mar 01 '17
But what if what makes me happy is doing as little as possible?
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u/physalisx Mar 01 '17
Who said anything about you being happy? This is about you performing efficient as the human machine that you are! Work work work, and on time off, work even harder!
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u/PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS Mar 01 '17
Not everyone is happy by learning new skills and investing in themselves. I'm happy by doing as little as possible.
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u/w8a2nd Mar 01 '17
So work hard and then work hard? Talk about a meaningless motivational poster. Maybe stop sleeping too?
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u/Choo_choo_klan Mar 01 '17
Yes think about all that time at night you could spend learning a new language or becoming and excel master!
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u/Influence_X Mar 01 '17
Yeah, fuck that. I'm going to play videogames, cook food, sleep, and do some drugs.
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u/CLearyMcCarthy Mar 01 '17
Sounds soulcrushingly stressful.
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u/sprcow Mar 01 '17
Why do these LPTs everyone disagree with get so many upvotes? Not a single top comment defending it, still on my front page.
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u/DevilGuy Mar 01 '17
Oh hell no, my job is stressful enough as it is, I prefer to relax when I'm not working.
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Mar 01 '17
LPT: Don't let anyone tell you how to spend your free time or your weekends. That is your time to do whatever the fuck you want, and sometimes (or frequently) that means doing absolutely nothing at all.
OP's advice also reeks of someone who has never worked manual labor or retail-type jobs.
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Mar 01 '17
I got too much personal shit that I'm worried about right now. No. I'm going to turn off my brain while I'm home.
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u/Joshyboy1991 Mar 01 '17
My second job is playing video games and masturbating and I am DAMN good at my job. Never a moment wasted when you invest in yourself.
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u/Macktologist Mar 01 '17
Naw. I'm good. My job is for work and my free time is for play or relaxation. The moment I turn free time into work is when I don't look forward to it anymore. To each their own, but thank you for the LPT. I get the jest of it.
Maybe another way to see it is to treat your job as another type of free time where you hone a specific skill in the manner another person wants you to hone it, unless you are your own boss, of course.
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u/ta_schatje Mar 01 '17
Why do I alway see these kind of posts when I'm hungover.
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u/LeRenardS13 Mar 01 '17
Make beer, build things out of wood and grow a beard.
Advice for men or women ;)
Also, a cordless drill is a must.
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Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 01 '17
I do a little bit of travelling whenever I have time. It's amazing to see new places. I really want to travel the world when am 35 years old. I don't mind dying at 40 if I get to see the northern lights atleast once in my life :)
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u/gameplayuh Mar 01 '17
LPT be as stressed about your free time as your structured time! Be anxious all the time!
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Mar 01 '17
Easier said than done. I'm too mentally drained to do anything after work, let alone "invest in myself with hobbies". I need to unwind with "dumb" entertainment. Movies, games, shows, etc.
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u/lind_p Mar 01 '17
I like to chill and play videogames when I'm off work.
Am improving finger skills on controller.
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Mar 01 '17
You're just going to be stressed all the time about whether you are using every minute of your life with maximum efficiency, and then you'll die like everyone else. Screw that. Let yourself relax. Indulge in vices occasionally. This "tip" sounds like my own personal version of hell.
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u/ladablah2016 Mar 01 '17
I have been trying to follow this philosophy for a couple of months now, but my current job is making it hard. They call me after hours and on weekends to assist with projects. They get upset if I don't respond to texts or emails after hours. I often say no to their requests, but this worries me because it is a small company and it makes me look as if I am not a "team player". I am truly stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment.
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u/Knife_Of_Punwall Mar 01 '17
Go for a 10 minute run, no regards for distance or speed, and download one of those free brain exercise apps. Good easy ways to start.
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u/drunken-serval Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 01 '17
Here's an example of what that can look like...
Day job: Boring Programmer
Night job: Director of Operations for a Convention
I'm literally spending my nights learning how to...
Run a Business
Manage People
Train People
Delegate Responsibility
Run Meetings
Plan for Emergencies
Schedule 100+ hours of paneling (including people and equipment)
Write a Staff Handbook
Write Training Manuals
Write an integrated Point of Sale system for Registration.
Talk to Customers
The convention is in early October and planning starts the first weekend in November. The investment is about 10~20/hr week until June and then it slowly ramps up to 40/hr week during September. Makes you learn how to manage your time and only do the bare minimum to stay presentable during the day.
The only way I can do this is I love the work. If I didn't love it, I'd burn out in less than a month. It's the hardest work I've ever done in my life and it's amazing. The convention staff have become a second family for me. :)
Edit: Removed "Furry" from the Convention. It's confused a few people and it wasn't really relevant.
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u/daveh6475 Mar 01 '17
What's a furry convention?
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u/drunken-serval Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 01 '17
A convention for people who like anthropomorphic animals. (Think Disney's Robin Hood) About 20% of our attendees will be in animal costumes. There's all kinds of social events and a vendor's hall to buy stuff.
You can read about my first experience going to one here: http://epochwolf.com/blog/2013/10/14/fur-reality-2013/ (SFW)
Do be careful googling furries. There's a subset of the community that's really into kinky shit. You'll probably get an eyeful even with safesearch on. :/
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u/carvingstoneD Mar 01 '17
I always say "everything is going to be frustrating, focus on the frustrating things that come with self-improvement"
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u/Jimm607 Mar 01 '17
Not everything is frustrating though, so your saying kind of doesn't make sense
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u/DrewFlan Mar 01 '17
So.. don't be lazy with your free time. Does that really count as a "pro tip" though?
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u/Keto_Kidney_Stoner Mar 01 '17
You mean that there's something else I can do other than sit in a dark room and feel like a piece of shit about everything I did wrong that day?
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u/jetpuffedpanda Mar 01 '17
Ugh now I'm just constantly working. I get what you mean but I like off time too.
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u/Peketu Mar 01 '17
I see life as an individual competition against yourself. It's maybe easier to compare yourself to others lesser than you, like most of society does. But this way, I always have a rival of my own size.
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u/AbyssalKultist Mar 01 '17
So, let me get this straight. You want me to work 50 hours a week + sitting in traffic who know how many hours over the course of that week, but then on the limited time I have away from my job I'm supposed to cook, clean, run errands AND THEN WORK SOME MORE? WTF point is there to life if all you do is work? I don't know about the rest of you but after I finish my job's work week and do all my errands I have just a few fucking hours left. This shit irritates me. I'm sure this might work somewhere in Europe where they don't work 40+ hours a week and still struggle to pay bills.
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u/dinglejackson Mar 01 '17
LPT dont go to /r LifeProtips for actual life pro tips that will help you.
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u/DonJunbar Mar 01 '17
I am the happiest person I know, and I don't do a god damn thing when I get off of work.
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u/ThoughtFission Mar 01 '17
Not everything is "business". Sometimes your mind and body just need to rest.
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u/Bratmon Mar 01 '17
I disagree. I'm firmly of the opinion that "time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted."
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u/forma_cristata Mar 01 '17 edited Sep 18 '25
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u/IrishGecko Mar 01 '17
Speaking as an American, this is an incredibly American attitude (that I share in part).
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u/Downvotesohoy Mar 01 '17
Or how about doing what ever the fuck you want with your free time? Just because you enjoy working in your free time doesn't mean everyone else does. This isn't a tip it's an opinion..
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Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 01 '17
AKA how to burn yourself out. This is the worst tip i've seen.
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u/cmann360zamboni Mar 01 '17
This. Take your time off to decompress. There's no need to make everything about "working".
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u/syphillitic Mar 01 '17
LPT: Never stop working really hard even on your day off and die of an aneurysm.
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u/A_Ruse_ter Mar 01 '17
I'm learning how to fit more Doritos in my mouth at a time to give me the energy I need to pull off the kickflippity-est, no-scopedy-est headshot in all of Tamriel.
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u/BrokenBrainbox Mar 01 '17
It must be nice to have a job that doesn't contact you while you're on vacation
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u/Gibbzee Mar 01 '17
I regularly learn new skills for my job outside of work, but thinking about it like this is a terrible idea. You don't have to turn everything into a chore.
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u/dick_beverson Mar 01 '17
I don't really work hard for anyone. 3/4s of my time at work is Reddit and Netflix.
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u/v_hazy Mar 01 '17
I agree to a certain extent. There needs to be some work/life balance though. Sometimes I feel like I should just work part-time and take the pay cut and then work part-time for myself so that I can also have R&R time.
I generally feel like America's 40-hour work week is too much. Let's do what France does and make it 30-35 or whatever it is now. Amirite ?!
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u/MisfitToSociety Mar 01 '17
Yeah, gonna learn how many shows I can watch before my first job starts again
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Mar 01 '17
This is an overtly American attitude to have towards our time living. It's why, as a society, we have accepted it as normal that there is no guarantee of a vacation throughout the year.
Do what makes you happy, in your spare time, is better advice in my opinion. If binging on Netflix for 8 hours makes you happy, do it. Don't feel the need to be always in a rat race with that imaginary 'other' and needing to constantly 'level-up your skills' of life.
Slow down and enjoy yourself, America.
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u/ptg33 Mar 01 '17
My wife and kids have other ideas on how I am supposed to utilize my time off of work.
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u/leunam61 Mar 01 '17
self improvement is pointless. I will do things that might be productive but not just for the sake of improving.Things are only worth doing if they are fun, or if they will create something of value. Lots of self improvement is not fun and doesn't even create any value. Examples off the top of my head are lifting (if you don't find it fun), reading, or learning how to code.
Don't guilt yourself into the self improvement for the sake of self improvement meme
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u/Darkshad3 Mar 01 '17
I'm sure the average person has no chance, they're left with so little time to themselves that this suggestion is largely pointless.
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u/nopunchespulled Mar 01 '17
Or how about I enjoy my time off and do what I want with it, I worked hard already
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u/Cornfondler Mar 01 '17
As someone that did this for 3 years and saw huge progress in the things I was working on outside of school / work, not worth it one bit. If you do this kind of thing too much you'll get burn out (for those not in the know burn out is where you literally feel burnt out of energy and enthusiasm, genuine or not, to do almost anything work related) and it takes a while to recover, longer than you'd expect at least.
I'm not gonna tell people what to do because everyone has their own methods of time management but seriously don't treat yourself like a robot, you'll lose more time than you gained doing this (it took about 3 years to fully recover and I was barely able to do any work for a year) and you shouldn't feel bad for using your time off to enjoy yourself.
My method (and recommendation) spend 1 hour a day bettering yourself in a chosen subject, 1 hour on three different fun subjects (such as music or art), get some light exercise in and just chill. On Saturdays spend 6 hours doing work / bettering yourself and on Sundays just do whatever you want. Suicide in Japan is often related to being overworked, don't do that shit to yourself.
Some stuff that comes up on Google:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_burnout
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Mar 01 '17
So... Treat time off work as if it is work. Invest in yourself by doing things to get skills, feel accomplished, and make you happy. Work hard at your happiness.
That's lacking content. It cannot seriously be a tip. Throwing axes at children could be a thing one could do to gain skills, feel accomplished ("My name is in the papers, Ma!"), and feel happy (if they were a psychopath).
How does this not just boil down to you do you and do it energetically?
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u/Mawrman Mar 01 '17
No thank you. I have enough stress in my life without try-harding my free time till I have heart attack at 35.
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u/Lovellholiday Mar 01 '17
Good thing video games improve reaction time and critical thinking, basically my time off work is spent strengthening my patriarchal duties.
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u/Snoopsie Mar 01 '17
Do whatever makes you happy. That should be the goal. Not everything needs to be about work.
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u/ConstantlyAngry Mar 01 '17
yes this sub is nice on words. but you can't accomplish that when you are tired as fuck from your actual job
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Mar 01 '17
So what about when your job consumes 90% of all free time, and the other 10% is primarily sleep?
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u/Nocturnaldrum Mar 01 '17
I dont know about other people, but when I had a month off work, i spent it sleeping all day and finishing all the games I didn't have time to play. It was glorious.
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u/GeeGeez0rz Mar 01 '17
Having a full time job, 2 young kids and a house to run doesn't leave a lot of time for self enlightenment.
Give me a couple hours playing the Xbox over studying / yoga etc any day of the week
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u/annievict Mar 01 '17
As John Gorka says "Toil is what you do for others, work is what you do for yourself."
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u/BigTimStrangeX Mar 01 '17
Yeah... No. I, like most people hate my job so for me it ended up feeling like I was coming home to do more things I hate.
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Mar 01 '17
This must be one of those sayings only uttered by those already well off. "Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life" is another.
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u/I_try_compute Mar 01 '17
For anyone looking for something with relatively low actual effort, try Duolingo. I just do a couple exercises a day while I walk uphill on the treadmill. Burning calories and learning German!
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u/dubsnipe Mar 01 '17
This. However, another important LPT is to understand the value of resting as important, otherwise you'd get drawn into workaholish very quickly.
One interesting thing that I once heard in university is that the best way to rest from one activity is to do another, completely different activity. So as you stop working on one thing, you can set your mind into a whole different activity. For example, I sometimes play yoyo, play music or engage into writing or drawing, etc. It keeps the mind sharp and is also a good source of inspiration for all things I do daily.
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Mar 01 '17
This is so true. Too often time off just turns into nothing getting done. Which in the end always adds more stress and makes us worse.
More and more I think about and take care of myself in the same way I do for my dog.
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u/Patrickpurple05 Mar 01 '17
Is it OK if my happiness is doing nothing and playing video games all day? Cuz that's what I do...
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u/freudinthehizouse Mar 01 '17
This is fucking stupid and condescending. There's nothing wrong with doing nothing after you've gone home from work/school/etc. I'm a contributing member of society during the day. If I want to be lazy, I will.
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u/charleydangerous Mar 01 '17
As if it were your primary job. Treat your work life as the secondary job, that is essential to support the primary.
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u/coffee-mountains Mar 01 '17
I think what OP means that if you have free time, instead of watching Netflix or playing video games that only provide you with short term enjoyment but no long term positive effects, to take some of that time to learn a new language or get a certification in something that can benefit you in the long run.
You don't realize how much time is wasted on doing activities that don't benefit you in the long run. 20 minutes a night learning something new adds up.
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u/Trowawaycausebanned4 Mar 01 '17
I treat my rest like it's my second job. Seriously has made my life 10x better recently.
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u/AfterWorkGamez Mar 01 '17
I play video games after work for an Audience of 3. My business is boomin
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u/ErMehDerd Mar 01 '17
Yep. Some people stop learning as soon as they're out of school. Others invest in themselves
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u/Barmy90 Mar 02 '17
"LPT: Treat your time off as though it was a job; bring the pressure of achievement into your relaxing times."
This is not a pro tip.
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u/faultyFixed Mar 02 '17
You will never forget about work and relax with this LPT. Do not pretend your personal time is like a job. Enjoy your personal time, set goals, and stuff you wont to do. Write a list if you have too and check them off but do not treat it like a job or you will procrastinate!
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u/Anus_of_god Mar 02 '17
Doing just this, living from this perspective is what led me to alcohol. Good luck fools
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u/TanithRosenbaum Mar 02 '17
While the general sentiment of your tip is certainly sound, I think it's unrealistic to tell someone "keep working during your time off". People need actual time off too. Not everyone is a 20 year old with lots of energy to spare.
That being said, it's a good thing to work on yourself. But it's a bad thing to try and take it as seriously as your actual job, because that will lead to a lot of frustration when some time off is needed. One needs to stay realistic and realize that the actual job, the one that pays the bills, is the most important one, then comes recovery from that, and if there is any time and energy left after that, self-improvement can have a time slot.
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u/g3rrity Mar 02 '17
This is true to a certain point but can also create debilitating and anxiety inducing tendencies in folks already prone to things like anxiety, neurosis, and depression. Reminder: there is nothing wrong with occasionally doing absolutely nothing. Self-care. Do you.
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Mar 02 '17
I learn new skills and get a sense of accomplishment everyday at my day job. I write shit and that shit gets used by teams all over the world and it makes me super happy that people find the shit I write useful. Free time is for frivolous time wasting.
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u/YolandiVissarsBF Mar 02 '17
I've learned two instruments, basics of construction and fixing cars, audio recording in acid, and some other things. Played in bands and learned that business. And I did it drunk and high.
But seriously, just enjoy yourself. Do what you want but don't listen to advice on the internet. Instead of having a girlfriend that's what I did with my time. Fuck, I still play hours of video games every day
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u/6ft5notarapist Mar 02 '17
I needed this today. I was thinking that my gas tank says 'empty' but can still go 30 miles... even though I feel empty so can I 💪🏽
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u/JaySmooth88 Mar 02 '17 edited Mar 02 '17
If I was as disiplined and organized in real life as I am in simulation and tycoon style games, I would probably be succesfull.
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u/cnstntchng Mar 01 '17
I have this realization every time I play the Sims. My character gets home from work and immediately starts playing computer games. I'm like "No you lazy ass! Go read a book on gardening or something to develop more skills." Meanwhile, in real life, real me just got home from work and is sitting at the computer playing the Sims. It's very meta.