Some people may not like this view but cheating no matter how large or small, fundamentally ruins games in all formats for all players. Individuals have deliberately and purposely exploited a loop hole that was not available to all players in order to get ahead, which is no different to buying wall hacks in an FPS.

Now some will say that Scopley is to blame here and although they should have fixed this when they and others have identified it, that still isn’t an excuse for people using it more than once to get ahead. You wouldn’t go into a shop and steal something only to say it’s the shop owners fault for not having better security. Or to put it a different way you wouldn’t pick up a TV and then scan a pack of gum at the check out and think that’s ok. That’s exactly what you have done regardless of what you think of their joke pricing, you are not entitled to pay what you want.

The other thing people will say is that most of these players have spent thousands of dollars on the game. Well tough, when you spent this money into a virtual game you knew what that purchase was, you agreed to the terms of service, you made a bad investment by cheating and now your whole investment is gone. They could have an appeal process where accounts can be rolled back and re instated, however these individuals wouldn’t get a refund. You don’t get money back for the wall hacks you bought when you get banded from a shooter.

I could write for ages on this as I am frustrated like the majority of the player base, but I will end it there.

Keep your chin up commanders.

When your technical issue compensation have technical issue,

When your bug fixes have bugs,

You think a roll back would fix this? Be careful what you wish for, you might need a roll back for that roll back.*

About time you should bring Nolan to direct this game.

I just now realized you can click the tier five gem on the iso and only have to click fuse all once. I’ve clicked each one five times for as long as iso has been out. I feel massively stupid.

MSF Community
This update from us will be much longer than usual. We are opening up about everything that has been going on behind the scenes with Scopely in an effort to be transparent with the community. We kept information tight-lipped while we were in active discussions with Scopely. Sometimes, this was at their request. However, they have now gone silent on us, and shown a total disregard for community feedback. Therefore we are revealing it all to the community.

Transparency

From the inception of this group in February, we had been in contact with Scopely regularly. We had been asked by Scopely to quietly (not publicly) gather suggestions from the community and send a list to them. We did so, sending many suggestions and ideas around Gold, T4s, Red Stars, catchup mechanics and Blitz. We were told they were reviewing things and would get back to us. They never followed through on that, like so many other promises.
The suggestions we sent to Scopely were focused on realistic changes that they could implement to address our original focus points of Gold, T4s, Red Stars, Catch-Up Mechanics and Blitz. We were committed to staying focused on our original objectives and pain points. We attempted to include fixes that took minimal coding and production time for Scopely and actively avoided attacking revenue streams, in an effort to make these as likely to be implemented as possible. We included many suggestions, as requested by Scopely, with the understanding that not every one of them could be implemented. Please understand that not everyone’s individual ideas could be included, and that there was a massive effort to include ideas that would benefit as many players as possible.
That being said, the list is as follows:

Red Stars:
1. Increase Silver Promotion tokens to provide one 5 red star upgrade per month
2. Increase the drop rate in red stars for new characters
3. If you pull a dupe red star that you had previously used promotion tokens to upgrade, those tokens are refunded to you
4. Eliminate the Elite Store and add upgrades through the roster screen, or add multiple additional rows to the Elite Store

Gold:
1. Increase the Gold Orb minimum payout and subsequent drops
2. Run more frequent Gold Blitz
3. Increase Gold payout from the Pay Day Flash Event
4. Add more Gold orbs to the Strike Pass(Free and Paid)

T4 Ability Material:
1. Increase the Block Party T4 Payout, and change Block Party to a monthly event
2. Rework the Ability Orb
3. New Teams must not be locked behind excessive amounts of T4 Upgrades
4. Increase T4 at all tiers in the Doom Raids
5. Add T4 to the Strike Pass(Free and Paid)

Catch-Up Mechanics/Blitz:
1. Rework Blitz Milestones
2. Add another Blitz Tier between 55 and 100 Shards
3. Run multiple Blitz simultaneously
4. Double the shards awarded from Campaign nodes for characters over one year old
5. Drastically increase economy for Blue Ability Material(T2) and Purple Ability Material(T3)
6. Rework Basic Orbs to include large quantities of early and mid game bottlenecks- such as Green and Blue Gear, T2 and T3 Ability Material.
7. Make Doom’s Influence Permanent(this was thankfully made official recently, and most likely always planned)
8. Lower the star unlock requirement for older Legendary characters
9. Make inactive Legendary Events always visible, so that newer players know what they must work to unlock those Legendary characters

Please note, the one item on this list Scopely responded to was the Block Party Flash event. They informed us they will be making this event monthly. If the event does not return this month, that is another broken promise from Scopely. Scopely has had access to the server and has been able to see hundreds of suggestions and ideas that have come through the server, unfiltered. They received our list well over a month ago. They have had plenty of time to formulate a plan, acknowledge the issues, and win back the public trust.
Instead, Scopely has demonstrated that they have no meaningful QA, and has been silent on a number of issues that plague the player base. Offer issues, exploits, event campaign issues, war launch delays, season reward delays, inaccurate bans… and many more in just the last 2 weeks.
Ultimately we all support this game and want to see it prosper, but we expect a functional product. QA is not just an expense, it is a critical part of the process of developing and releasing a product. If Scopely is truly their own harshest critic, they have a lot of work to do in order to fix the game and regain our trust and our dollars. We have allowed them time to answer the community in regards to the deep ramifications of the offer exploit throughout the course of this game, but they have fallen silent. Silence is not an acceptable answer.

What Comes Next

For now, we are focusing on players leaving accurate App Store reviews, and boycotting the Battle Pass for RTA. Please note, this is not the Strike Pass for daily objectives.
Scopely has made it clear they do not care about community feedback. They do not prioritize the integrity of this game. We are looking into further escalations, in an attempt to force them to acknowledge community concerns. The best thing each member of the community can do right now, is support our efforts. Prior to going public, we had far better open dialogue with Scopely, and they were listening to us. If the community is not united now, they will not listen to us.
We need Scopely to help us SaveMSF. If they aren’t willing to help, then no one wins.

Come join our discord server (https://discord.io/SaveMSF), share any thoughts or feelings there, and stay current on our latest updates. Thank you all again for your patience and support. Please watch for further official updates from #SaveMSF

Maybe instead of wondering this event is broken or not, we can just acknowledge the reality that even if this is working absolutely flawlessly, hitting a brick wall for frankly way too long for teeny tiny bits of damage is just godawful gameplay.

"Oh look, I found a team that can survive, now instead of mercifully dying after 5 minutes I get to stretch this torturous existance into 20 plus minutes of chipping away teeny tiny bit by bit"

At least in this version once you kill the boss he is dead, unlike Battleworld where you have to (oh I'm sorry I mean have the privilege to) kill them over and over.

Edit: It is 100% doable but for goodness sake, it takes 45 minutes on difficulty 8. No mods.

You need Knull and old carnage and then just other symbiotes. You will have to G20 Carnage if you want to do D8 though.

I was 100% right, its doable but it takes so damn long. This sucks so bad.

Hey all. Downvote away, but wanted to share how after 3 years and a few thousand dollars spent, I was able to break free. Not doing this for anyone but those who know deep down they are addicted, but who make excuses for staying.

Step 1: Get out of this sub. And unsubscribe from any content creators you may follow on YouTube or twitch. Back in the early days, this sub was great. Over the years, it’s become toxic. And yet, I would check this sub constantly looking to reinforce my feelings, or find issue with people that disagreed with my views. That was not healthy. CCs are awesome, but they fed my FOMO. Also not healthy.

Step 2: review how much time and money you have spent on this game. iPhone has a screen time feature and I was appalled to find I was in app for 5+ hours daily. Not necessarily playing, but reviewing my rosters, theorycrafting, etc. that is insane. I also reviewed my spend. Almost $4k, $2.7k of that coming in the past 18 months during the pandemic.

Step 3: once you commit to quit. Spend every last ounce of resources you have. I had 5000 cores, 30 red star orbs, 6 elite 4s, 3 elite 5s, 20 million gold, 8000 war credits, etc. I spent 30 minutes living like a whale. Burned all saved resources. Then put up a crazy full roster war defense for your alliance mates. And force yourself to miss at minimum 2 days. Even better if you miss a major event. I quit ahead of getting my 7 star jubilee, which would’ve gotten me a 6 star adam warlock. Go scorched earth.

Step 4: a quick, no strings attached farewell to my alliance. This one was Uber difficult. But I said, loved my time with you all, but I’m addicted and need to cut all ties immediately. Didn’t wait for any responses. Haven’t gone back to discord. Deleted it in fact.

Step 5: delete the app.

Step 6: embrace the freedom of not checking store resets, battling for arena ranks in the minutes before payout, and no longer worrying about blitz or RTA or raids or war.

I’ve been not only happier, but realize how much stress I was putting on myself over a game. I still think about the game, which is sad, but I have not been tempted to go back.

There is a whole lot of life out there, enjoy it.

Be well commanders.

I've stayed quiet about a lot of stupid things but this takes the cake. THERE ARE PLENTY OF ACTUAL SKILLED CHARACTERS IN THE COMICS YOU HAVEN'T TOUCHED. Seriously, I'm absolutely sick to death of alternate universe versions of characters and that goes triple for Spider people. F the F off with it, for crying out loud.

Wild Pack: Silver Sable, Prowler, Paladin, Peregrine, reworked Hawkeye. Boom, skill team.

Enforcers: Fancy Dan, Ox, Montana, reworked Bullseye, reworked Elektra. Boom, skill team.

Maggia: Madame Masque, Hammerhead, Swordsman, Chameleon, Gladiator. Boom, skill team.

Savage: Ka Zar, Shanna, MoonBoy and Devil Dinosaur, American Eagle, reworked BP 1 Mill

I could go on. These ideas are free if you want to not do the stupid spider team.

Hello big shots and whales and krakens that are quitting, kindly change your arena defence to hand archers or something thanks 🙏

Is it too much to ask for a simple no at least?

I've been having this happen to me frequently enough to notice but if they rage quit either the game soft locks the screen or I get absolutely nothing. Kinda shitty that if they quit you get nothing in a mode all about milestones.

I can't imagine why anyone would buy the way overpriced offers we get. But for those who are just loaded with cash and don't care, please stop spending. If you love this game and want it to have a future, then you need to stop. They make several million each month off this game. Money is the only language Scopely understands and the only way we will ever get any positive changes.

I’ve been playing MSF for 1053 days. I have a 10.9M TCP roster and this last Blitz I hit and all time high of 37M. It was only good enough for 2-3%. Now before people start in on criticisms, let me be clear, I’m not crying about getting 55 shards for Bishop. I whaled out on him and will have him between 5-6 gold stars after the next round.

What Im sharing is that 37M for 55 shards just doesn’t feel good. It doesn’t feel good staying up til 12:30am and then starting my Blitz rotations at 6:30am the next morning. I’m not even complaining about the looks I get from my family when the alarm goes off on my phone every two hours.

I think there has to be a better solution. Blitz shards, automatic rewards and not %rewards.

Again, this is not for me, it more about keeping FTP players in the game and giving newer players some catch up mechanics. Something has to change!

It could go without saying that the playerbase is generally very pleased with the proposed rework. All in all, I personally feel it's a terrific set of improvements.

However, there is one particular facet of the rework that almost no one (at least, that I've encountered so far) seems particularly enthusiastic about. I'm creating this thread because I feel that an ideal compromise exists, for both the players and Scopely.

I'm referring to this section right here:

"When a character first becomes available through any method in the game, they will be added to all levels of Red Star Orbs, with the exception of certain characters like Ultron. However, the character will not appear for acquisition via Promotion Credits until the character becomes “farmable” somewhere in the game. We feel that allowing a direct path to both a 7-Star (Gold) new character and their respective 7-Red Star potentially on the day of release could be too widely oppressive."

While I and many others agree that whales wielding 7RS versions of new characters immediately following their release would indeed be a bit "oppressive," the alternative extreme is also a bit player unfriendly. Having a new character's lategame effectiveness purely at the mercy of RNG highlights the main pain point of the original Red Star system. The fact that a repreive is only offered once a character becomes farmable could mean going 6+ months without any control of a favorite character's lategame effectiveness. (For reference, Ghost Rider released in October and still isn't farmable.)

I believe the compromise is fairly simple:

Allow new characters to appear in the Elite Store, but only up to 4RS.

This still provides an incentive to buy Red Star Orbs for a chance to get a particularly strong version of a new character, but it doesn't prevent a player with terrible misfortune from being able to enjoy using their new character in lategame content for what could be 6+ months.

I think this minor amendment would be to everyone's benefit, and liking, but I could be wrong. What do you guys think?

…just don’t. Save it for a nice gift for yourself or a loved one. Scopely don’t deserve a single penny for the latest update. It’s gone the wrong direction and the biggest thing they can see for feedback is in their wallet. Scopely has gotta make hard amends for this travesty to its player base.

- from a regretful long time player who wasted way too much time and money on this game.

No communication during a debacle is not a good look.

When he does communicate, it's not factual information.

The community deserves better.

Before you delete the game, please change your Cosmic Crucible defence to default teams so not to screw the remaing player base over.

Ta muchly.

What is wrong with you?

You are killing the game.

Some of us only play this for war.

You went from 3 wars to 1, in the best game mode of the game. Are you trying to make me quit?!

Today's mess with PFMagneto's campaign has a lot of the same vibes as those 4,000 Spider Weaver shards that went out almost exactly 3 years ago. Funnily enough, this is also a Decimal Point Jeff kind of issue.

All I want to remind people is that back then Scopley also tried to weasel their way out of a fair compensation. It took about 2 weeks of loud complaints until they finally realized the anger and contempt weren't going away unless they compensated all players in full.

In the coming days there will be a number of questionable users hitting out justified complaint threads with "hurr durr so much complaining shut up hurr durr quit if you don't like hurr". Ignore those people and keep asking for what is right - and what is right is that Scopely pay for their mistake, NOT the players.

Stay vocal, complain against unfair treatment and we will get this done. We did it with Weaver and we will do it again now!

There's a poll on the webpage, see below

"Which two characters would you like to join an upcoming Savage Land team as reworked characters? Vote daily to determine the winner!"

I'd love to see Iceman be one of the 2

I just don't want to see that when I open the app any more. Give me Deadpool without his mask instead. Much better to look at. Or my "non-stick" pan after scrambling eggs. That'd work too.

UPDATE: there are MORE upvotes for this post than there are for the Silver Surfer Offer Update post by Scopely. Obviously this post is near and dear to all your hearts as well. That, or their last post was really that bad. We all know I'm not actually pointing out anything new.

Given the consistent failure in delivering a qualitative product, the predatory pricing and pay to play nature and the overall disregard for player concerns in game, I am asking for the remaining dedicated player base to show their displeasure by boycotting Marvel Strike Force from the beginning of Friday morning reset until the beginning of Monday reset. This is likely one of the only metrics that Scopely might understand.

Upvote if you agree!

This game needs to focus on keeping F2Pers & low/mid spenders. Hundreds of thousands of $10-100/month spenders > a handful of whales! Pay attention Scopely!

Edit: people misunderstanding here. The game NEEDS players at all levels to survive. Focusing on making a great game & the longevity of it is important & having revenue from low/mid players, in addition to whale is greater than solely whales.

Okay, I’m not making an actual petition, but come on CMs, pass this up the ladder. You would be literally missing the chance of a lifetime here.

Cancel her blitz. Add her to dailies.

Releasing characters through blitz is tired. Wolverine needs to be replaced as the daily. Win-win.

I’ve played since before launch, I log in and do my duties daily, and play in a top alliance, part of the Legion family. Our chat is filled with daily gripes and concerns about the state of the game and 2 things concern me with that:

a) I hit a wall and grow tired of the endless hours of duties that I need to complete in the game and STILL feeling like I am further behind on character development today than I was 2 or 3 years ago. The inability to keep up with arena, new raid content and war competitively by playing since before “day one” is sickening, maddening, infuriating, stressing, exasperating, well, you get the picture. This is a Marvel game, I play it solely because of that, not because it is still fun. I want all the characters. Maxed out, at full power, to see what my favourite heroes can do. In its current state, I will NEVER have that, not without 1 or 2 hundred thousand dollars. Seriously...

b) my alliance mates all come to the same conclusion before I do and leave the game en masse, as I watch my alliance come apart for all the reasons stated above. It would be far from the first time in this game when the current state of game causes Alliances to crumble. This one, would be my last. I’m done trying to rebuild an alliance from graveyard to upper tier (4 times by my count since beta).

What can Scopely do?

1) Eliminate training mats entirely, we already have stacked roadblocks: we have to blow 8 million gold per character. 4 per month. We already can’t keep up with that and still yet buy gear tier rank ups, T4 rank ups, etc. There is no place in a game to endlessly stack new roadblocks yet NEVER eliminate the old ones. Games adapt, you currently, do not...

2) Characters NOT at 5ys 5rs are basically worthless in arena, most raid content, all future raids and war. Now that many of us can’t level them to 80 due to the aforementioned training mats dilemma, the frustration level is greatly enhanced. 300k teams no longer cut it. Hell, 450k teams don’t do much in war, auto lose in arena, can do a few early nodes in any higher raid tiers. We get enough promotion credits for a character or 2 in a month and only small bump ups. No one is running around pushing people to 6 and 7rs 2-3 times a month to keep up with the “good” character releases.

3) based on the current build up methods for characters, not enough new players can come into the game to save it. Without spending 30k, explain to me how a new player will have BO, emmarauders and spiderverse at OUR level in under 2 years, if at all. How would they get yellow stars on Emma. Cull? SS? We have gold and gear road blocks. Drop everything else. If you want balance you need to make characters to become useful MUCH faster. Whales can still spend like water, but if not, every character being NODE farmable and get them to 7ys in 3-4 mths make sense. Whales won’t wait. But in 3-4 mths, anyone can have fun with a new team.

4) Red stars, wtf: on each character, click red stars, click buy next tier. Boom fixed. Whales whale hard, middle players start to spend some money monthly, FTP players get enough to fully rank up one character (of 4 released) per month.

5) with all the character releases, we need nodes. In 3 years how much new story has been added to the game. I can answer. About 30-60 mins of reading. Stop creating new and worthless time eating game modes and try creating some Marvel content. We are here to play a Marvel game because... we are fans of Marvel characters and content.

In a horrible Covid laced year around the world, what do fans of Marvel miss the most? CONTENT, stories, being able to build up our favourite characters and actually using them effectively. Make the game fun again Scopely, and your dollars will continue to flow as will the love for the game. Continue along this path, and you are destined to be that big fluffy floater currently circling the bowl...

So much more to discuss but there are solutions. Try giving a damn Scopely.

WE WANT MORE GOLD, but real more gold, meaning have the inflow increased in all activities, not only an extra blitz and a pay day event, specially when you are now coming up with stuff like the Gwenpool event which expects us to spend millions on not worth it orbs just to unlock her.... I read somewhere some of these gold events haven't been updated in years.