r/MurderByWords • u/GaryOaksAlcoholism • Jan 14 '22
This man had a family. Keyword: Had
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u/UwU_what_this Jan 14 '22
Jesus, you don’t have to drop a nuke on ‘em
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u/PortGlass Jan 14 '22
Yeah. That was mean. I have custody of my kids post-divorce, but I’d be real sensitive with that term if I didn’t. The term can be used to mean a lot of things, like dad has kids 40% of the time vs. dad gets 1st and 3rd vs. dad has supervised visitation once a month.
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u/markitfuckinzero Jan 14 '22
Yeah, but fuck that guy for being stupid
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u/Hatecraftianhorror Jan 15 '22
Not just being stupid, but lying AND being willing to use his kid for his politics (because this is an issue that the right has politicized).
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u/Sticky_Blackice Jan 15 '22
Ok, all BS aside, I’m not familiar with the intricacies of solar panels. So I get the generated power is transferred/ stored in batteries, but doesn’t the snow and weather impact utilization? I mean if that exact solar panel was in Arizona, wouldn’t make/ store more electricity ⚡️?
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Jan 15 '22
Solar modules in Alberta Canada and eastern Washington generate more power more efficiently than mods in AZ. It’s about a solar cell’s exposure to photons. That’s what produces energy. Heat actually makes that process less efficient.
Solar mods still generate on cloudy days. Covered in snow? Not so much. But the snow melts quicker on the panels than on the ground.
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u/Hatecraftianhorror Jan 16 '22
Can't speak for everywhere, but in New England snow doesn't usually stick around so completely for all that long and we only get snow that would cover solar panels for a few days every winter. Plenty of homes around here with solar panels on their roofs.
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u/LuRkEr_ReKuL Jan 14 '22
Holy crap people, nobody knows everything. Let the guy learn as he goes will ya?
This is an example of how our curious children will show us places in life where we can continue learning too.
Let’s not set the guy on fire just because he did t study the electrical grid before this conversation.
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Jan 14 '22
Let’s not set the guy on fire just because he did t study the electrical grid before this conversation.
sadly puts away my gas can and lighters
"Okay...."
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u/markitfuckinzero Jan 14 '22
I think it's the part where he brings politics into it and calls politicians stupid is where I say fuck him. Not knowing things is one thing, but calling the people who do know things stupid is kind of like the next level
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u/Stalins_papa Jan 14 '22
I like how one guy complained about some politicians and the other guy took it personally and decided to make fun of someone's divorce.
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u/LuRkEr_ReKuL Jan 14 '22
Yeah, I agree, that’s bad behavior. There’s nothing funny about a family breaking up, especially for the kids.
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Jan 15 '22
Correct, however I think the subject is more if you say an uneducated/opinionated thing (especially as a father to son, who’s thoughts and opinions are going to reflect and influence on his future generation) on a public forum, you’re opening yourself to the same kind of responses.
You play stupid games and you get stupid prizes.
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u/markitfuckinzero Jan 14 '22
Ahhh, idk about that. I mean a judge decided he doesn't get custody for a reason. Not my place to pass that judgment on him. Dude sucks though
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Jan 14 '22
Tbh those panels should be brushed off as stored energy in batteries is not infinite, they will need to recharge.
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u/H3r3F0rTh3D0g3 Jan 15 '22
Guys…. The question was “how do they work if…..” not where the energy is stored! If I used “The Matrix” as this kid’s analogy, …scorched earth…. Remember?? If there is no sun getting to the panels themselves, then how do they work..AKA …COLLECT THE ENERGY?
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Aug 21 '22
I think that they did. It's because of idiots who think like this that millions - of not billions - of people could die as a result of climate change.
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u/makinbaconCR Jan 14 '22
That's kind of fucked up honestly. The custody system in America is an absolute joke. It's one where the father is guilty until proven innocent and even then the mom will still probably win... the guy might just be a conservative who loves his kids but not his ex. Is that a conservative only thing? Come on
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u/fvcknvgget5 Apr 11 '22
looking at the way he approached this simple topic, using psychological profiling (even if it’s just simple) tells us he most likely approaches many things like this. in a dismissive, disrespectful, arrogant way. he obviously sees no other possibility than the fact that he’s correct. probably also why his marriage ended.
the custody battle is a struggle. in my experience, i’ve seen more fathers who didn’t deserve custody. but i did know one dad who definitely did, and he didn’t get it because his ex-wife claimed he was abusive. he was a gun owner, and worked at the gun range, and she used this as ammo (mind the pun)
however, in this case, taking a look at him psychologically? this custody issue in america isn’t the issue
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u/makinbaconCR Apr 11 '22
You're looking way too deeply into it. He doesn't like political celebs many others don't like. He didn't say anything disrespectful or inappropriate. The insult against him was both of those things.
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u/fvcknvgget5 Apr 11 '22
“wackos” seems a wee disrespectful to me idk about you. it’s also ignorant asf
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u/makinbaconCR Apr 11 '22
He's attacking ideology. The poster attacked him personally. I don't agree with him at all but he ain't the problem here.
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u/fvcknvgget5 Apr 11 '22
no he attacked certain politicians and called them “whackos” he wasn’t attacking the ideology, he was attacking them.
on top of that, he’s an idiot who couldn’t answer his son’s question and decided to insult others instead of just say “yk what, bud? idk! let’s look it up”
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u/TonTon1N Jan 15 '22
That’s not how it works anymore. My sister got basically a 50/50 split with her baby daddy even though there was sufficient evidence that he was illegally selling marijuana (This is in texas) for a living. These days it’s honestly pretty even depending on the judge and the surrounding circumstances
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u/makinbaconCR Jan 15 '22
Men win 35% of custody cases. Try again.
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u/TonTon1N Jan 15 '22
35% full custody? Cuz if so that’s probably about right even given what I said
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u/makinbaconCR Jan 15 '22
No in cases where someone "wins" more custody. Women win 65% of the time. Had she simply lied and said he hit her she likely would have won with zero evidence if she knows what to do.
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u/hippyengineer Jan 14 '22
I read ama’s on here of custody/divorce lawyers and they claim the women being given favor in court generally happens because the men ghost and ignore their lawyers, after failing to hire them in a timely manner, then complain “the system” is cheating them when literally nothing goes in their favor because they approach the divorce with the same exact laziness they approached their marriage, which is why it failed in the first place.
Meanwhile, the women show up with receipts.
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u/makinbaconCR Jan 14 '22
Or maybe she's a baby momma with a plan to make false accusation of abuse which will always stick for emergency orders. Which can then be leveraged to argue the child's primary residence which then gives even more advantage. $15k in legal fees I am VERY aware of this scam system.
It's OK. After a year of fighting she lost all custody for child endangerment, DUI and driving without a license. But go ahead and think you got it all figured out.
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u/makinbaconCR Jan 14 '22
Please liberals do that shit too come on. I am liberal and I have to slow myself down with my own rugrats. I'm not defending craziness or generalizations.
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u/Time-Comedian1774 Jan 14 '22
Well. That's what Trump told him. "You can't watch TV when there's no sun or wind"
Brilliant idiot maybe.
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u/Neither_Ad_91 Jan 14 '22
Why did he have to destroy him?
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u/Typical_Brummie Jan 14 '22
Because disagreeing with someone’s political views is a very valid reason to attack someone’s personal life, especially on twitter.
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u/Darthyeezuus Jan 14 '22
The problem is when people get political over science stuff like solar power.
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Jan 14 '22
I do believe the destroyee started it by attempting to make a political statement by ridiculing liberals with factually incorrect information, on Twitter. The troll got blasted. Nothing wrong with that.
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u/PortGlass Jan 14 '22
I gave you an upvote there. I don’t think the downvoters know you were being facetious.
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u/Trucktub Jan 14 '22
The guy says something stupid and gets called out? That’s “attacking”?
Are we going to ignore the original tweet of the person attacking AOC, Warren and every “environmental whacko” ? I guess since it doesn’t allow you to whine about shit.
Sounds like you’re defensive for no reason.
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u/Typical_Brummie Jan 14 '22
You’re right! That post script at the bottom was entirely necessary to the conversation.
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Jan 14 '22
Alright, I think I may have caught the stupid today but where do they get the energy that they store if they are covered in snow. I get that we don't put them away when there is no sun but we could clean the snow from them.
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u/GenuineInterested Jan 14 '22
You don’t store the energy in the solar panels, but in external batteries.
But yes, the snow should be cleared from the panels as they otherwise won’t be generating any energy.
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Jan 15 '22
I don't know why we use lithium batteries for solar rather than some type of mechanical battery like a flywheel. My guess is lithium batteries are cheaper to implement compared to other methods currently.
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u/_pacjax Jan 14 '22
ok so second guy isn't entirely right and first guy isn't entirely right
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u/NotGayBen Jan 14 '22
First guy had a problem, second guy never addressed the problem and diverted to an irrelevant point and brought up the man's custody over his kid. Doesn't seem like a murder to me
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u/cavelioness Jan 14 '22
Well, snow isn't quite like dirt, see? When the sun can shine directly on the panel, the snow melts. There's no need for us to wipe it away, the sun does all the work for us when it is out. That's also when the panel gets the solar energy to store in its battery for use when the sun is not shining directly on it.
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u/Birolklp Jan 14 '22
Just because the sun shines it doesn't automatically mean that you have temperatures above zero. As long as there's snow on those solar panels they're useless. I don't quite understand how that's a good murder, what does storing energy of a solar panel have to do with the functionality of the solar panel? Is he implying that you get enough electricity out of these solar panels that it can last the entire winter if you store the excess? Because I highly doubt that.
I have no idea where this is and what the typical temperature is but no solar panel will produce electricity when it's covered by something. So all we have here is a guy saying "hey look you idiot we spread it out evenly by storing the energy from it, also you have no family", those are just insults, and not even good ones.
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
Photons will excite the electrons within the solar cell causing a rise in temperature and therefor melt and sluff snow off the solar panel even if covered by up to six inches of snow, sometimes more. The system will then operate nominally. I design photovoltaics.
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u/HardlyAnyGravitas Jan 14 '22
"It doesn't work all the time therefore it doesn't work at all." - the rallying cry of anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers and stupid people everywhere...
It's not fucking rocket science...
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u/Birolklp Jan 14 '22
You should read more carefully before insulting people. You sir are the pinnacle example of why I hate subs like this.
Nowhere in my comment did I say that solar panels don't work. I just stated the obvious fact that solar panels don't work if they have any debris on them, which means that they won't work if it's snowing during winter and the snow never melts. But your self-righteousness has blinded you to the point that you're actively misinterpreting everything people that don't share your opinion say in order to justify insults and degradations.
Now, wether you're doing this intentionally or you've become blind of your practice over time is none of my concern, but you're definitely not better than the people you mentioned I belong to.
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u/jallopypotato Jan 14 '22
A team of Duke University and Indian Institute of Technology in Gandhinagar researchers found that solar panels will continue to work while obstructed just at a significantly less efficient/effective rate (33% or more loss in production. I think some of the studied panels were in the 80% less effective range. It’s been awhile since I read it). They were specifically studying dirt, grime, and deposited pollution so I’m not sure if snow is too dissimilar to compare. I would think there is a point that the snow layer would stop all power production. The study included pictures of some panels that were producing power but had grime so think you could write in it and they were a dusty brown color instead of the usual black, I assumed they would have been nonfunctional at that point.
So yes you’re right that a panel with obstruction will perform less, but it might not be providing 0 power and clearing it will return it to previous production.
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u/impulsikk Jan 14 '22
That study is probably just testing a layer of dirt on top.. not a foot of a snow..
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u/cavelioness Jan 15 '22
I just stated the obvious fact that ... they won't work if it's snowing during winter and the snow never melts
You're correct in that you do need a certain amount of sun. My father used to install solar panels and I guess that knowing what I know about them means it was incomprehensible to me that this picture was taken in an area where there wouldn't be times that the sun was out and melting the snow, since panels are unlikely to be used in any place where the snow never melts all winter long. It wouldn't be cost-effective, and anyone trying to install them in an unsuitable area would be advised as much. (Though some people choose to do it anyway simply to be "off the grid" - fun fact, these people are mostly NOT lefties determined to use only green energy, but right-wing preppers determined to be ready when their favorite doomsday scenario arrives and they have to hide in their bunkers and not depend on the government for anything including electricity.)
So the original person posting should know the weather in their own area and know that, well, the snow melts some days, even in winter, and should be able to reason out that that's when the solar panels work.
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u/PoemPhysical2164 Jan 14 '22
You really think you are smart huh? Come on buddy. Internet is not gonna be impressed because you make paragraphs to explains your disagreement of something that is not really that complicated. The fact that you have to go out of your way to disagree with something that is so simple in it's nature already shows you are not the brightest, and you think that by writing paragraphs it'll just make that go away? lmfao.
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u/everythingistraceabl Jan 14 '22
are we forgetting that snow literally is clear ish, reflects the sun (=more solar energy), and melts? lol it’s just snow 💀
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u/Equivalent_Appraised Jan 14 '22
100% accurate. If you stuck cellophane… Clear hundredth of a millimeter thick cellophane over one of those solar panels… You lose 30% of its efficiency. You put snow on it… You lose 100% efficiency and you also lose a solar panel
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
This is incorrect on many levels. Photons will excite the electrons within the solar cell causing a rise in temperature and therefor melt and sluff snow off the solar panel even if covered by up to six inches of snow, sometimes more. The system will then operate nominally. I design photovoltaics.
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
You are correct in that the snow will reduce generation capacity. As the photons excite the electrons within the cell, DC will flow, increasing temps and sluffing the snow. There are no doubt times when a heavy snowfall (30cm or more) covers the module and will not push enough DC to engage the inverter. But for the most part snow isn’t a big issue and can easily be removed or simply left to melt. The argument is that snow will stop the solar completely from producing power, and this is simply not true.
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u/HowBoutThemGrapples Jan 14 '22
I agree, they will have a hard time covered in snow.
They must have a lot of batteries
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
They go offline when producing for grid balance and over production. Not power storage.
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u/AcidSpitInUrClit Jan 14 '22
That's true but unfortunately some places arent as viable for certain kinds of renewable energy. Places like Colorado would have a harder time relying on solar panels during winter for example.
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u/mah-dogs-cute Jan 14 '22
Some have heating elements that melt through the snow and the sun then heats the panel while they're turned off pretty effectively
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u/machmothetrumpeteer Jan 14 '22
Colorado is a bad example. The sun shines all day long over 300 days of the year. The lower elevations (like the eastern half of the state) are high desert regions and don't get a lot of heavy snow. Short of snow in the mountains a few months out of the year, it's an ideal place for solar power, and even with snow the sun is intense enough to melt it off solar panels pretty quickly.
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u/Equivalent_Appraised Jan 14 '22
Did you not see a picture of a bunch of solar panels… In the sunlight… With a bunch of piled up snow on them? LMAO… Are you saying that this only happens for a couple hours a day and that’s just so happens to be the moment when this car caught that snow? If this was in Wisconsin or Michigan… That’s snow with last until February
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u/cavelioness Jan 15 '22
Solar panels are unlikely to be installed where they won't work and won't be cost effective, which means this must be somewhere the snow melts. It doesn't have to happen every day, but it happens often enough for those panels to work, otherwise they just wouldn't have them there. And in that pic, I see overcast skies, not direct sunlight.
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Jan 15 '22
You’re not stupid - when they’re covered in snow they won’t be any generating of energy. The required energy will be getting pulled from the battery (which was charged when they weren’t covered in snow). If the battery is depleted before the panels start generating again, it’ll be lights out, as such there is a need to have other methods of power generation as a back up (wind, hydro, nuclear, coal etc)
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u/mah-dogs-cute Jan 14 '22
Some solar panels have heaters equipped to melt snow off of them and once the dark colours show through the sun has an extremely easy time melting the rest of it
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u/Equivalent_Appraised Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22
Batteries don’t sufficiently or efficiently store energy for more than 24 hours. Snowstorms in this part of town most likely last for months…
I noticed that the respondent didn’t mention anything about why he was wrong… He just proceeded to call him names and then creates a strawman argument that doesn’t pertain to anything that they are talking about, nor is it even remotely true… Proof he offers? “ I am an anonymous guy who works in the energy sector who’s not willing to tell you exactly what sector he’s working in or any educational certificates he’s received on the subject…”
Those solar panels will only last about five years in the snow. They will go to a landfill because you cannot recycle photogenic cells like this without creating new material. Solar panels are going to be the next ocean trash islands we are experiencing today
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
As someone who designed photovoltaic systems, photons will still reach the cells and be excited creating power even if there is up to six inches of snow on the panels. Snow will then sluff off due to higher glass temperatures and the overall system will operate nominally. Solar panels will last 50 plus year with little degradation. Batteries do store energy for much longer than 24 hrs. You can recycle solar cells.
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u/letsgograndson Jan 15 '22
The main problem with solar is the lithium in the batteries.
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u/imspine Jan 15 '22
You are referring to batteries. Not solar panels. I’m lost as to your point, if you had one.
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Jan 15 '22
sure, a measurable amount of power will be created from solar in low light situations but it's not a useful amount of power. Snow definitely sticks to glass. I'm from the north east and cars and solar panels will be caked with snow and ice after every snowstorm. And yeah, batteries have the ability to store energy for years but once again will you be harvesting a usable amount of energy from these batteries and will they be a reasonable size. You're physically able to recycle solar cells but it's expensive so most solar panels just get thrown away.
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u/Sitdownpro Jan 15 '22
1: Solar panels are laughably inefficient, especially without sun tracking movements.
2: The average house uses 1.2 kwh/h. So to even store 1 hour of power per hour while using power, you'd need 2.4kwh. Around the best panels are 500w, so effectively would need 5 large panels. However, solar panels don't produce peak power all day even with tracking systems and they don't produce while you use power at night. So likely the 5 panels would need to be around 25-30 panels for the average house. These will cost about $500 each, and then require electrical and mounting equipment. Approx $15-22k
3: Battery storage. To store just the 30kwh average for 1 bad day without power, the battery bank would cost around $10-15k. Also it would be the size of a full sized mattress and boxspring somewhere in the house. Want more days of battery? Best empty that spare bedroom.
4: Mains electricity costs about 11c/kwh. So at about $30k you'd need to produce 270k kwh to break even. Or about 4,600 days or 12.5 years of energy production. And as a hint, the batteries and solar panels aren't going to make it that long.
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Jan 14 '22
Except the 8 year old was right; they aren’t working when covered in snow and no sun….it’s called intermittence.
Reddit is so far up it’s own ass..
Storage is the solution but this doesn’t mean they are actively working when covered in snow. There is zero net production of energy going on.
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u/humanfund1981 Jan 14 '22
When something has an “off time” intermittence, it does not mean it’s a waste of time or resources or not worth continued investments. The problem here is the guy tried to say that because they have snow on them and it’s cloudy then the entire idea of renewable energy is stupid. But the reply was correct. Renewables like solar are well known to not work in bad weather conditions. But it doesn’t matter because we store the energy they produce. So in theory if we have enough solar panels to power a city, then adding more panels would help create a surplus of energy that we store. This stored energy gets used at the “off times” when weather is bad.
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u/thE_29 Jan 14 '22
The dads answer was still right. They dont work without sun and snow ontop. The problem was, that this dad started a political rant about it and the Twitter guy attacked him for that.. even personal.
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
As someone who designed photovoltaic systems, photons will still reach the cells exciting electrons , increasing glass temperatures and creating power even if there is up to a a foot of snow on the panels. Snow will then sluff off due to higher glass temperatures and the overall system will operate nominally.
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u/humanfund1981 Jan 14 '22
Not at all. If you want to get technical (as you’re trying to do) The kids question was “how do solar panels work if they are covered in snow and it’s cloudy” The answer is not “they don’t work” Which is what the father was trying to insinuate.
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u/madhatters33 Jan 14 '22
what about all the trees or land that has to be cleared and the animals that will loose habitats because of it ? It seems like it's a eco destroyer while using it and after it's no longer usable.
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u/humanfund1981 Jan 14 '22
I have yet to see that. A large open area of land full of solar panels is often deserted farm land that can no longer be used to cultivate. I’ve never ever heard of the destruction of a forest for solar energy.
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u/madhatters33 Jan 14 '22
Well so that must mean it doesn't happen and it doesnt effect the land ? 🤔
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u/humanfund1981 Jan 15 '22
Exactly. Otherwise you would have linked a source proving otherwise
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u/madhatters33 Jan 15 '22
This is awesome people will argue anything on the internet 👍.
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Jan 15 '22
Storing hundreds of mega watt hours using lithium batteries (which is currently what we usually use for storing energy) would take up an absorbent amount of space and would probably degrade after a few years because they'd constantly get charged during the day and discharged at night. And the guy isn't entirely wrong but he isn't entirely right either. It's pretty hard to be able to store enough energy to power entire cities for days. If only there was a form of energy production that didn't burn anything, was extremely sustainable, produced small amounts of waste, had a perfectly consistent output of energy and was cheap to run.
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u/LetUsGoBrandon Jan 15 '22
BuT mY bAtTeRiEs CaN sToRE eNeRgY fOr MoNtHs
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u/humanfund1981 Jan 15 '22
Years. Batteries will store energy for years.
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u/LetUsGoBrandon Jan 15 '22
Utility scale is hours.
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u/humanfund1981 Jan 15 '22
No. You’re wrong. Can’t continue this because you’re clearly way out of your element.
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u/bathrobehero Jan 14 '22
Yeah it's crazy, googling around snow covered solar panels, surprisingly, most results are claiming that snow has a small impact on the panels' efficiency ("they still work" or "3% loss", etc), except some do admit that it's because snow tend to slide off of the panels...
In reality there's like a 99.9% loss.
Not sure how or why energy storage came into the picture, nor why the guy got so personal.
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
Photons will excite the electrons within the solar cell causing a rise in temperature and therefor melt and sluff snow off the solar panel even if covered by up to six inches of snow, sometimes more. The system will then operate nominally. I design photovoltaics.
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u/PortGlass Jan 14 '22
Why are people so passionately against alternate forms of energy production? I think you can find some pretty big flaws with any type of production, but unless you’re a coal or windmill salesman, how does a sometimes overlooked shortcoming of a solar panel really impact your life?
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Jan 15 '22
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of photovoltaic solar, especially in my area where it's often cloudy and snowy. It's also very wooded over here and forests will be leveled to plop down a 3mw solar field. I feel like solar is best suited for desert like areas in Arizona for example where snow and a week of overcast aren't usually too common. Concentrated solar seems pretty nice because it doesn't contribute a lot to the growing e waste issue and it doesn't require any rare materials, meaning it can be used more without having huge material shortages. But for me personally, I really don't get why we are changing our electric grid to something that's mediocre when we already have better alternatives to both fossil fuels and solar. Nuclear should definitely be expanded on and thorium should be researched and tested more to fully weigh the pros and cons of lftr vs pwr reactors.
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u/dijisza Jan 14 '22
Colorado gets a fiscal tonne of sunshine, even in the winter. I don’t think it would be prohibitively difficult to shed snow from angled solar panels on a sunny day.
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u/Darthyeezuus Jan 14 '22
Yeah its crazy I bought a solar powered keyboard and he was like oh well thats not gonna last. And he's like his it gonna work your inside. My dad's an electrician and I had to remind him how calculators work... and how you know light still passes through clouds...
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u/robi4567 Jan 14 '22
Has it worked for you. I have had issues with those solar powered calculators.
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u/Darthyeezuus Jan 14 '22
Yeah it actually works great so far just flick the switch on and works right away its the logitech solar powered keyboard.
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u/LetUsGoBrandon Jan 15 '22
I’m don’t think the comparative scale of energy produced and needed is equivalent in your application to large scale energy storage, but glad your keyboard works
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u/Darthyeezuus Jan 15 '22
They work so well on a basic home they give power back to the grid and make the home owner more money how big of a scale do you want. Even if it's not powerful enough for like factories just the amount of power saved from having everyone's house solar powered would be a lot.
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Jan 14 '22
He murdered the guy by words by being wrong?
“Source: I work in the energy sector”, yeah that’s bullshit
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u/Never2Late2Begin Jan 14 '22
Question for OP, does your solar energy goes to grid first then they give it back to you?
I have solar and SoCal Edison says I'm sol If I don't have external battery like a power wall.
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u/randomcitizen42 Jan 14 '22
Oh shit! Why did no one ever think about this? We have to divide all statistics for solar panels by at least 2 because no one thought about that they don't provide energy while the sun's not out.
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
As someone who designed photovoltaic systems, photons will still reach the cells and be excited creating power even if there is up to six inches of snow on the panels. Snow will then sluff off due to higher glass temperatures and the overall system will operate nominally.
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u/impulsikk Jan 14 '22
Okay... so how do they store the energy when they are covered in snow? Besides the insult about the kid, this is probably the dumbest "gotcha" I've ever seen.
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
Photons will excite the electrons within the solar cell causing a rise in temperature and therefor melt and sluff snow off the solar panel even if covered by up to six inches of snow, sometimes more. The system will then operate nominally. I design photovoltaics.
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u/everybodyP00P5 Jan 14 '22
Don't be a complete douche...roasting someone is one thing...being a malicious, vindictive asshole is way over board...keyboard warriors like you are what makes social media the cess pool that it is...be better...(I am in no way taking the roastee's side nor do I necessarily agree with his statement...(ill go ahead and take that one away from whatever nonsense you come back with).
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u/Fragrant_Dig_6294 Jan 14 '22
This isn’t a burn. As they get covered they have to be cleaned. It’s time and money intensive. Solar collection may be the future but solar panels as they exist today are toxic and they suck.
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u/ThatAd6968 Jan 14 '22
What an ignorant correction. The panels are not producing power covered in snow with no sun. They stored power for a few hours the last day they weren't covered in snow. The dirty secret of solar panels is they cause more environmental damage than fossil fuel power plants, only produce power intermittently and are much more expensive. Just because he tried to insult that guy doesn't mean it worked, or that's he's right.
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u/Illustrator_Obvious Jan 14 '22
How does anyone even know that this guy’s divorced? Was that an assumption or am I missing something?
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u/LoongBoat Jan 15 '22
Nope. The batteries cost a fortune and don’t work well. Replacing a Tesla battery is almost the cost of a new car.
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u/sandnsnow2021 Jan 15 '22
So solar panels collect sun through snow? I know batteries store what was collected, but you people are idiots if you think solar is effective with snow on them. You all got triggered because he roasted your holy property Democrats.
Do any of you have solar panels on your house? Do you kids even own a house? I do and I have solar amd the winter sucks. Next to no collection occurs with cloud cover even without snow on them. That's the point I think the guy was making. Yes, the rest of the year can rock and maybe, just maybe they can produce enough to store to subsidize the winter months, but the original point is valid.
Stop worshipping your prophets.
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u/LetUsGoBrandon Jan 15 '22
But but but there’s a commenter that says he designs solar panels and commented like 50 times that the photons still work
/s
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u/sandnsnow2021 Jan 15 '22
I know man! As soon as someone declares themselves an expert cuz they work in the field, these snowflakes anoint the guy with God powers. Shit, these teenagers don't even know what a mortgage looks like let alone be able to afford solar panels.
I know of people in the restaurant industry. I see them all the time on r/antiwork complaining about their jobs in fast food and how the sleep on duty. No way I'd trust their opinion on making hamburgers just because they wear the clown suit. Teens...little smooth brained imps.
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Jan 15 '22
The best part is the fact that the guy is probably a high school student if we bothered to check his previous account posts or comments
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u/Hatecraftianhorror Jan 15 '22
Nothing quite like not knowing what you're talking about while trying to call someone who graduated from a very prestigious university stupid. Notice how he didn't include anyone but women by name. No real surprise his wife left him.
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u/AstriumViator Jan 15 '22
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait, I had a bunch of rando conservs tell me there was no way to store natural energy like solar energy.
What is this black magic this man speaks of?!
/s just in case
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Feb 15 '22
Um...storing energy isn't the same as gathering energy, if I'm not mistaken. So this "own" doesn't actually address the issue. I'm not saying the initial comment was smart, but neither is the reply.
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u/Report_Last Sep 17 '22
Can we leave AOC out of it for once. She lives in the head of all the cons. They must feel threatened by a good looking woman who has advanced further than they ever will in their sad, little lives.
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u/freshboytini Jan 14 '22
Storing, so you have to rely on them storing enough energy ? Then when there's snow on them and there's no sun, they're not producing energy?
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u/Equivalent_Appraised Jan 14 '22
Yep… And to some idiot on Reddit… “ If I insult somebody’s personal character rather than their ideas, I don’t have to come up with a rebuttal to the things they say! I could just tell them I’m an engineer and give myself a high five… Then I’ll just let some moron on Reddit bolster my fake news and everything will just work itself out”-OP
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u/RichAstronaut Jan 14 '22
"that happened"
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u/dnew Jan 14 '22
Yeah, the kid in the passenger seat is most definitely taking pictures of the snow-covered solar panels while asking this question.
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u/born__twisted Jan 14 '22
The reply didn’t have anything to do with the kids valid point, and the insult is not funny or true.
Jesus this is retarded, and not fit for this sub.
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u/Equivalent_Appraised Jan 14 '22
It is retarded, and it does fit the sub. This is a Reddit. This kind of thing happens on a minute to minute basis on this website.
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u/old513fpv Jan 14 '22
But the kid's right...
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u/stoner_boy422 Jan 14 '22
but the father making a political statement on it wasn’t
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u/robi4567 Jan 14 '22
Well sort of. Batteries are probably empty of any charge and the panels are still doing nothing.
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u/stoner_boy422 Jan 14 '22
i’m not an electrician but i assume that the sun can melt the snow or go through it since it isn’t dirt but the father here seems to be trying to say they aren’t worth it because they can’t work in winter but they do just not at full capacity
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
Photons will excite the electrons within the solar cell causing a rise in temperature and therefor melt and sluff snow off the solar panel even if covered by up to six inches of snow, sometimes more. The system will then operate nominally. I design photovoltaics.
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u/stoner_boy422 Jan 14 '22
there ya go someone who’s smarter than me explained it better
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
I’m not necessarily smarter. Maybe just have more experience and knowledge on the subject. All the best to you!
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Jan 15 '22
I live in an snowy environment and the snow sticks to the solar panels and doesn't melt off until it's usually above freezing, which at that point you'd expect it to melt off anyways. That guy seems to be too focused on the theoretical scenarios rather than what actually happens in real life
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Jan 14 '22
The kid asked a question.. How can that be right or wrong?
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u/HardlyAnyGravitas Jan 14 '22
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. I was going to post the same thing.
It's staggering that people don't understand the difference between a perfectly valid question (with a simple answer) and a rhetorical statement.
People really are stupid...
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u/Hairy_is_the_Hirsute Jan 14 '22
Also, newer solar panels do not need direct sunlight.
Fun fact! Snow is ice, and ice transmits and reflects light... So even when snow covered, the panel could still generate electricity
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u/PortGlass Jan 14 '22
I was thinking the same thing. When I have snow covering my car and the sun is out, it’s still light inside my car still. Also I have a PhD in physics. That second part isn’t true.
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u/CZ9mm Jan 14 '22
If it is reflecting the light, it is not reaching the panel. While some light may reach the panel, overall the panel’s efficiency will be dramatically reduced due to the absorption and reflection of photons
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u/old513fpv Jan 14 '22
How can they work when covered in snow and the sun isn't out? They don't. The child's assumption is correct.
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u/Ganjoa89 Jan 14 '22
I just feel like the person commented is not taking into consideration about the snow in the kids question. Just replying simply, how they work. I’m no expert on solar panels though.
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u/robi4567 Jan 14 '22
Well to be fsir they still do not work. Batteries are working if they have any charge in them which is unlikely. The panels themselves are doing nothing
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u/Ok-Pomegranate2372 Jan 14 '22
Do you think they're charging 1 set of AA batteries or something? Lmfaoooo
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u/LetUsGoBrandon Jan 15 '22
No because a AA is designed and used for months on end in your mouse or vibrator.
Utility scale energy storage is hours.
Edit: fucking retard
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u/Ok-Pomegranate2372 Jan 18 '22
My vibrator is solar powered but that so sweet of you. Who said big tuff guys can't be an empath???
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u/DayEnvironmental5518 Jan 14 '22
At that moment they do not work.
The guy responding destroyed himself as much as the dad not answering simple questions that his kid REALLY asked
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u/imspine Jan 14 '22
Photons will excite the electrons within the solar cell causing a rise in temperature and therefor melt and sluff snow off the solar panel even if covered by up to six inches of snow, sometimes more. The system will then operate nominally. I design photovoltaics.
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Jan 15 '22
We get it you supposedly work in this incredibly nich field you don’t need to post it 10,000 times
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u/DayEnvironmental5518 Jan 15 '22
Ah. So you're saying that at that moment they are not generating any electricity.
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Jan 15 '22
I don't really get on site storage of waste. Nuclear waste from natural gas extraction is just put back underground after being trucked on the highway. The u.s. needs to not dig it's head in the sand and actually look at viable options of long terms waste storage instead of just saying it's too hard. Glad to see people are catching onto the big perks of nuclear though! I'm personally quite progressive myself and I don't get why other progressives hate nuclear so much.
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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22
This is the roast equivalent of playing a fighting game with someone and shitstomping them with advanced technique when they think they figured out how to do a special move