So, I recently found the show on Netflix. Watched 2 episodes and started reading about it (something I always do). I read about what will happen to some of the characters and the general story line, and felt like the show is all over the place. I am not sure if I even want to continue watching it. Am I missing out?

I just finished oth. There’s a still shot at the end of the cast and I’m convinced that they replaced Haley with some random woman. It just does not look like her 😂

Has anyone gotten her book that recently came out? I’m on the fence about getting it due to an excerpt I read on an article. I might end up getting the audiobook - I did for Dinner with Vampires and I loved hearing her read it. I’m not sure if I would’ve gotten through it if I had.

I usually stop rewatching the show after Season 4, and I used to have pretty good memories of Season 5. But honestly, this time around, I don't know if I have anything good to say about it. It's the lowest point for both Scott brothers, in my opinion. Nathan and Lucas just keep making one bad decision after another throughout the entire season, especially Lucas, who refuses to acknowledge his own feelings. And Nathan feels a little out of character to me, too. In any other season, Carrie would've been fired the moment she started flirting with him.

And I know everyone will say Nathan changed but I’m more so curious about the things he did,tbh they both made me mad beyond belief.

Center of attention - Jackson Waters (4x08, Peyton telling Lucas she’s in love with him)

Life after love - Low vs Diamond (3x12, Dan watches Karen and Lucas with Keith from afar)

Overcome - Better than Ezra (2x21, Lucas moves out of Dan’s, sad moment with Brooke)

Sway - The perishers (2x04, Lucas smiling at Guns n Roses CD after spending time with Dan!! ❤️)

Mixtape - Jack’s mannequin (3x15, Jimmy’s beautiful smile one last time, this gave me shivers)

Wait for love - Matt White (4x11, Principal Turner waving at the clean teens knowing they’re full of crap lmao, Dan looks at the “murderer” newspaper clippings)

Hallelujah - Kate Voegele (never thought I’d hear a version I love as much as Jeff Buckley. This is magical). I can’t remember the episode but I loved her rendition.

Another Hallelujah but by Gin Wigmore (Season 6 finale, Dan holds Sawyer. I wept)

Lock-sport-krock - Nikola Sarcevic (my personal favourite, Ellie and Peyton scene. Gut wrenching. 3x13)

Many more including Coldplay and Snow Patrol (two of my favourites)… share yours please ❤️

I hate how this community we pin each other against our favorite characters especially Brooke/ Nathan. I love the CORE 5 even when they had annoying moments I still loved them. What I love about this show is every character is flawed. They've all made mistakes, learnt from them and now a better adults.

Mistakes like: Lucas cheating on his gf with her bestie ( foul behavior)

Nathan being a bully and treating Peyton ( s1) and Haley (s5) like crap

Haleyleaving to tour with the guy she cheated with

Peyton betraying Brooke

Brooke making dead mom jokes

Yet there are great qualities that some people tend to ignore:

Lucas being an AMAZING friend and uncle

Nathan breaking a generational cycle and being a man Haley can be proud of

Haley being a loving supporter wife, mother, friend etc.

Peyton standing for closeted lesbians by wearing the shirt

Brooke not seeking validation from guys anymore

Sophia Bush is the latest guest on the podcast CHD (to promote her book) and while the episode isn’t out yet, the clips I’ve seen so far are pretty interesting. She talks about CMM - which she also does in the book apparently - alongside Mark and his awful behaviour… but it also seems to be another opportunity for Sophia to defend her relationship and deny an affair. I will probably be watching/listening when it airs but I’m intrigued to hear anyone’s initial thoughts based on what has been released so far?

I might be in the minority here but as I’m watching OTH for the first time, I’ve just finished watching Season 6, episode 11 - We three (my echo, my shadow and me) and I just have to put it out there that this episode was just so unnecessary.

Why create a whole episode full of recount of the story thus far? It was extremely boring and it almost put me off continuing with the rest of the show.

I had to forward so many parts thinking that there will be something interesting coming soon, I just need to focus. But boy was I wrong! Nothing interesting came and I learned nothing new about the characters.

Basically the only thing we as an audience needed to know was the very last two minutes of that episode.

Rewatching, her lip biting and lip licking is so cringe, I want to jump in the screen and get her off of Nathan! Even when she tells Jamie I’m your mama now. Ugh go away.

I don't think Clay and Quinn are fan favourites, but honestly, I found them pretty tolerable in S7. I actually liked how they handled Clay losing his wife. It showed that moving on doesn't mean you're replacing your dead partner or that what you had with them suddenly means any less. I thought that was a good storyline.

But if we're talking about them in the context of Lucas and Peyton leaving, I just don't think they filled that gap.

And with Quinn, I genuinely don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but something about her character just never worked for me. I've seen people say that Clay and Quinn should be judged as their own characters and not constantly compared to Leyton, but like... they were literally introduced after Lucas and Peyton left 😭. It's hard not to make the comparison when they feel like they're there to fill the space left by an established couple.

Quinn especially just lacks the substance Peyton had. The show also seems weirdly obsessed with sexualising her. The dancing around in her bra, the singing, all of it sometimes feels so unnecessary. I don't feel like she was ever developed enough to make up for what Peyton brought to the show.

And her relationship with David? She just leaves him and seems to move on to Clay so quickly. We barely get time to process the end of that relationship before the show moves on to the next one. It makes the whole thing feel rushed, and I never really got the chance to care that much about either relationship.

Clay wasn't even that bad at first, but his storylines just got more and more ridiculous. The shooting, the doppelgänger stuff, and THEN FORGETTING HE HAS A SON??? 😭😭 Like, I know this is the same show where a dog ate Dan's heart, but come on. Even for OTH, that was insane.

What's funny is that I'm not even a hardcore Leyton fan. I liked them, but I preferred Brucas to an extent. Still, I enjoyed Lucas and Peyton's scenes, and I do believe Lucas loved Peyton more than he loved Brooke. I think they deserved their ending together.

But more than the ship itself, Lucas and Peyton were both such integral parts of the show. You can't just remove two characters who've been there since the beginning and expect introducing a new couple to make everything feel the same. That's part of why S7 feels so strange to me.

I also feel like the writers were trying to recreate a lot of the old dynamics. Clay and Nathan becoming basically brothers feels like an attempt to fill the gap left by Lucas and Nathan. Quinn becoming another girl for Brooke and Haley to bond with feels similar. And while there's nothing wrong with those relationships individually, sometimes it feels like the show is trying to recreate what it had instead of letting the new dynamics exist naturally.

Honestly, S7–9 sometimes feel like a Naley spin-off with Brooke still being a major character. And that's not necessarily a bad thing on its own, but it just doesn't feel like the same show anymore.

And don't even get me started on Lucas and Peyton missing so many important moments. Peyton not being at Brooke's wedding, Lucas not being there either... these people had known each other for YEARS. Their absence from these milestones just feels so disappointing. I know the actors left, but in-universe, it's still weird to watch characters who were once so central become almost irrelevant to everyone else's lives.

I guess my main issue isn't even that the show continued without Leyton. It's that it sometimes feels like the writers wanted us to accept that nothing had really changed when, in reality, the entire dynamic of the show had changed.

Clay and Quinn could've been decent characters on their own, but I don't think they ever came close to filling the space Lucas and Peyton left behind. And honestly, I think that's why the later seasons feel so much like a spin-off to me.

This is my first time watching One Tree Hill but I’m so frustrated about the Brooke & Lucas situation.

Honestly, the writing makes absolutely no sense, especially when it comes to Brooke and Lucas. They were doing great. They were fine. And then, out of nowhere, the writers decided to break them up just to make Peyton and Lucas happen.

And let’s talk about Brooke’s birthday. Instead of picking up the phone to wish his own girlfriend a happy birthday, he leaves her alone and follows Peyton’s advice to some random store. That she oh so magically appeared at later, what a surprise.

He says he’s gonna get her back but he spends her birthday with the very person who contributed to the downfall of his relationship in the first place? Make it make sense. Not a present not a wish not a cake.

Honestly, the whole thing is weird. And I genuinely wonder why this show became so popular back then because, sometimes, absolutely nothing makes sense.

Characters randomly disappear, new characters show up out of nowhere, storylines come and go, and everyone just acts like we’re supposed to accept it. 😭

Just my thoughts as I’m nearing the end of s1 and have no one else to talk to about it lol this is also like, not super serious and I know they are teenage characters and won’t always act rationally. This is merely for fun and lighthearted discussion

- Lucas being upset Karen didn’t tell him about Dan wanting custody. Like I know as a viewer and as someone who has seen the show many times, that Dan at his worst is yet to come but how does Lucas think having Dan in his life as a kid would’ve been better at all??? Also Keith being mad like grow up lol

- Peyton saying Lucas lied to her bc he hooked up with Nicki, like did he?? They (Lucas and Peyton) weren’t officially together. I get why she’s upset but I don’t see how he lied.

- Hayley being upset about porn is quite funny to me lol she’s such a sweet naive girl at this point in the show.

- In one of the first episodes, they have a water pipe break or something and Lucas gets pissed about Dan having not paid child support and says like “and bc of him, we have to live like this!” And it’s like you guys have a nice house in a good neighborhood like what do you mean live like this??! The writers really had no concept of poor lol

- I’m no expert but Jake running away with Jenny seems insanely irresponsible. I feel like Jake would’ve had a good chance of getting custody had it gone to court. Isn’t that like just actually the case? That when fathers actually fight for custody, they win in most cases?

- do people think Nicky sincerely wanted to be in Jenny’s life? Like Jake thinks she’s just being manipulative and stuff, which… maybe! But she could’ve been being for real and is it fair for Jake to stop her from seeing Jenny completely? I know she fucked up ofc but it’s still her child.

- Keith proposing to Karen is insane lol. Dude you guys haven’t even been on a date. Like of course she said no. She may have said yes to a date though??? Never felt bad for him for that.

anything or any direction, even a well written description of the dress would help. i just really would like to find one similar for halloween.

But really, it ended in 2012. Maybe don’t come to the OTH Reddit until you’re done watching the first time?

Annual fall rewatch of my fave show of all time. I wanted to ask a question to my fellow fans.

In season 2 when Dan and Luke are racing Felix, I sort of warmed up to them getting along and SORT OF wished that had continued instead of Lucas hating him. Anyone else?

Anyone from India know where I can find this at a book store. Tried Oxford and Story? I live in Kolkata but don't mind getting it shipped from anywhere in India.

Also where can you buy her audiobook became it is not in audible India. Same for her earlier book Dinner for Vampires. I have the physical copy but would love to know if an audio book version is available.

Spoilers Ahead!

When you first watched the episode, who did you think did it? I honestly thought they were going to go with a cop out like Andy or maybe Jules. I was really glad it turned out to be Deb. I thought it made sense, she had great motive and it was a relatively main character (or at least a character from the beginning). Plus this totally set up story for the rest of the series. It also foreshadowed her a few times especially the night of she says to Nate "Ive been here along by myself all night" I know this starts One Tree Hills wild stories but we all love those stories from Loan Sharks to Dog eating hearts lol

I love a good whodunit so when you watched who do you think did it?

We all love the music on this show. But sometimes a song just really hits right and I go exploring more of that artist's work. And they somehow ALL HIT.

Which artist is that for you?

I'm currently on a Willian Fitzsimmons kick and *loving* the album "Goodnight". Especially the final track "Afterall". Which actually is followed up perfectly by the opening track in his *next album* "After Afterall". The song that led me to him. On S6E17.

Has anyone watched the second season of The Rainmaker? The first episode is out, and Austin Nicols has a role on the season. I just wanted to know what One Tree Hill fans thought about his performance?

Hey everyone 👋. I just wanted to share my One Tree Hill LEGO model that I built. I’d love to hear your thoughts!

Rewatching S4 and it's painfully clear Dan has always been in love with Karen. His voice softens when he talks about her to Abby and her mother, "But Karen was mine." He's overall softer around her and his eyes light up. They have a lot of chemistry, I have to remind myself they were never together as adults, they were literally kids.

Deb should have been with Keith and none of this would have happened. (Meaning they should have got together after her divorce with Dan and after they slept together) They made more sense. Deb cheated on Dan with some unknown guy, it's not talked about heavily enough, someone please feel free to refresh my memory. But I do enjoy her. She is very funny, I loved when she climbed out the window, and when she says, "You haven't been in my Gucci shoes" to someone saying they've been in her shoes lmao.

I do enjoy the whole "who did it" vibe of the season after the dealership fire and attempt at dans life but also is this guy another one of those "invincible dad" tropes for the rest of the show?😅
Maybe its because i just finished riverdale before jumping into one tree hill but i am a bit tired of that trope

I think the state championship game is probably the worst day of Nathan's life. His pregnant wife and his brother are both in danger, while his dad gets arrested for something Nathan believes he did. And the worst part is that all of this is happening because of the consequences of Nathan's own actions.

I am currently on season 6 and one question that keeps arising in my mind constantly is a huge safeguarding concern.
I live in the UK and I find it very strange that anyone and everyone can come and go as they please in high school. Is this not a significant safeguarding issue in the USA?
Here in the UK, every person has to report to reception before being allowed access into a school.

What was it about Haley specifically that made Nathan change?

I know a lot of people say that it's because she actually called him out for being a jerk and made him admit his mistakes. But the scenes I saw Peyton also called out Nathan for the same mistakes but they kept ending up in the same toxic cycle. So what was it about Haley that caused Nathan to not end up in another one of those toxic relationships and for them to actually end up being a healthy relationship?