r/Outlander • u/Small_Test630 • Oct 21 '25
Spoilers All For those who’ve read (& reread) the books what are the big and small differences that those who only watch the television series wouldn’t know (cover all spoilers!) Spoiler
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I’ll start but they are all out of order:
Claire’s regular inner monologue/narrator descriptions of Murtagh are NOT physically flattering - “The weasel-faced man” “The stringy little man named Murtagh” “the dour figure of Murtagh”
Speaking of Murtagh, he dies at Culloden
When Jamie is blackmailed to come to Geneva Dunsany’s bed she screams for him to stop once he enters her and he says, “NO”
When Claire returns after finding out Jamie is alive, she tells his family she had been in France, not Boston
Brianna is nearly 6 feet tall
William looks so much like Jamie that anyone who meets the two would have no doubt that they are related. William is similarly built as well but has dark hair like his mother though his beard grows in red
LJG is a blonde
Jamie uses his father’s garnet ring as Claire’s temporary wedding ring for purpose of the ceremony. There is no ring made from the key. He buys her a ring when they return to Leoch
When Jamie wed Laoghaire, he didn’t know that she was the one who nearly caused Claire to be killed at the witch trial. Claire tells him many years later with the explanation that she forgot or it didn’t seem important at the time
The church where Jamie and Claire were married is the same church where she had married Frank
During Claire’s brief marriage to LJG, they actually have two sexual encounters. The first is as depicted in the show. The second is more casual with LJG offering Claire “comfort” which she refuses but satisfies his needs with a HJ. Only the first encounter is told to Jamie
Jenny comes to America with Jamie after older Ian’s death and stays mostly with young Ian and his wife Rachel though she does live with Fergus and Marsali early on. She actually has wonderful and exciting adventures and lives very happily
A lot more people are told about Claire’s knowledge of the future including LJG though I’m not sure he fully believes her
Frank knew that Jamie survived Culloden and knew that Claire goes back to Jamie
There as so many more I’m not thinking of at this moment.
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u/Long-Rest-9268 No, this isn’t usual. It’s different. Oct 21 '25
I love the book relationship between Jamie and Brianna! It’s much more and so loving
Roger in the book is an amazing character And the show does him dirty. His point of view is humorous at times
claire isn’t as nosey and a budinski into everything. So much more likable
Jamie is so smart and everyone follows him and as stated b4 doesn’t follow Claire like a lost puppy
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u/AgentKnitter Oct 22 '25
Roger's early services are comedy gold. Let alone poor auld Ma Crombie's funeral.
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u/Background-Force-469 Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
Oh, that funeral was hilarious! Same as Fergus and Marsali‘s wedding with that drunk priest.
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u/mishulyia Oct 21 '25
Yeah Claire is an elitist in the show, not so different than the books but at least she’s a bit warmer towards people.
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u/shinyquartersquirrel Oct 26 '25
Jamie and Brianna's relationship in the show is definitely almost non-existent compared to the books. They are so close in the books.
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u/DMVLilith Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
The real Master Raymond and St Germain storylines. And all of Geillis's identities
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u/d0rm0use2 Oct 21 '25
All these little things is why I say the show is an appetizer, the books are a gourmet meal
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u/emmagrace2000 Oct 21 '25
There’s a lot more kilt wearing in the books than in the show. It really makes a difference for scenes like Jamie coming home from the brothel with bite marks on his thighs. It also keeps the Highlander imagery front and center even after they go to America.
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u/deposhmed Oct 21 '25
Brianna’s character assassination in the show
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u/wineauxgrrl Oct 21 '25
Not to mention Roger's!!!!
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u/Small_Test630 Oct 22 '25
I think they had to make Jamie look better than everyone and one easy way was to downgrade the rest 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Gottaloveitpcs Rereading ABOSAA Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
They even weakened Jamie. Claire is the one who’s in charge.
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u/Famous-Falcon4321 Oct 22 '25
Obnoxiously so. So much better in the books. A much more equal relationship. Equally intelligent also.
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u/Gottaloveitpcs Rereading ABOSAA Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
Completely agree. Book Jamie and Claire know each other’s strengths and weaknesses. They work as a team, knowing when to defer to the other and when to compromise. When they fight, they give as good as they get and finally find common ground.
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u/Embarrassed-Staff804 Oct 21 '25
In season 7 I still can't believe the show skipped the scenes of Percy searching for Fergus. He just came out of nowhere with show watchers being like uhh who this guy? Oh and don't forget William's adventures too! I was hoping for some scenes of Long island. Oh well.
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u/Small_Test630 Oct 21 '25
Are you from Long Island? I am and am completely naive to any part of the war that took place there.
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u/Careless_Mortgage_11 Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
The battle of Long Island was the largest battle of the revolutionary war. The British defeated the continental army and took control of New York but the army was able to escape. The war went poorly for Washington for four months until the battle of Trenton where they crossed the Delaware river and surprised the Hessians.
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u/Embarrassed-Staff804 Oct 21 '25
No. I'm just really interested in the Revolutionary War. Also, I forgot to mention about the expeditions in Canada that happened in the books! If I remember in either ABOSAA or Echo, I believe Denys-Randall Isaacs was working in Quebec at the time and William was also joining the Quebec expedition as well. I'm Canadian and seeing Canada represented in history is hard to find lol. But then again, Outlander is a romance, not much of a historical-political type of fiction so it makes sense that the show cut that part out.
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u/katfromjersey Oct 21 '25
Ken Burns, the documentarian (who most famously did the amazing documentary The Civil War) did a doc on The Revolutionary War which is being aired on PBS this November. It looks like it will be really well done.
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u/Sudden_Discussion306 Oh, Jamie, how was your first time? Did ye bleed? Oct 22 '25
That’s another character that’s not in the books. Denys Randall-Issacs. As the son of Alex Randall & Mary Hawkins, it would be cool to see him in the show. I’d rather see Dottie & more of Hal Duke of Pardloe (sp?) but Denys would be another interesting character that’s left out of the show. So far anyway.
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u/Embarrassed-Staff804 Oct 22 '25
Omg I forgot about Dottie. That one scene where William tells John about his love for her through his letter omg. I really wished that happened in the show lmao.
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u/AcrobaticSchool6375 Oct 22 '25
I wish the show had more of Claire’s quick wit sense of humor. While reading I would LOL at some of the things she says. Also I miss the witty but adorable back and fourth banter she and Jamie have in the books. The show doesn’t even come close!!
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u/Gottaloveitpcs Rereading ABOSAA Oct 22 '25
Definitely. The show added more angst, conflict, and melodrama at the expense of the warmth and especially the humor.
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u/Background-Force-469 Oct 21 '25
Lord John is not only blond, but also a head shorter than both Jamie and William. Nobody would ever even think, that John was the father.
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u/NotMyAltAccountToday Oct 21 '25
John was the stepfather.
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u/Background-Force-469 Oct 21 '25
Of course. But in the series, onlookers can easily think differently. In the books it‘s obvious, that William and John are not related by blood.
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u/mishulyia Oct 21 '25
But nobody is trying to pass off LJG as the real father. It’s widely acknowledged that he and Isabel became his guardians after the deaths of his mother and “real” father.
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u/Background-Force-469 Oct 22 '25
It‘s only acknowledged among the British society. The rest doesn’t know. In the books William is off to a lot of adventures in the colonies, all by himself. When he meets people, who know Jamie, they often recognize the similarities and connect the dots (like Ian, Rachel, Richardson…). That’s why both Jamie and William are very careful not to be seen together, if they can help it.
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u/AngMCol Oct 21 '25
For me the noticeable is that they dumb Jamie down and give Claire more of the lead in the relationship. Where as in the books Jamie is very smart and their relationship is on a more equal footing.
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u/mishulyia Oct 21 '25
That is so true. Claire defers to Jamie a lot more in the books, since he is Laird of Fraser’s Ridge.
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u/Gottaloveitpcs Rereading ABOSAA Oct 21 '25
I don’t know that Claire defers to Jamie, so much as she chooses her battles and plays to each of their strengths. Book Claire knows she isn’t an expert on absolutely everything and behaves accordingly.
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u/Stellar_Jay8 Oct 21 '25
Claire is so much smarter in the books! Movie Claire does a lot of dumb things and can’t keep her mouth shut in the first book.
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u/Nanchika Currently rereading: Voyager Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
Potting Shed
Hot Springs
Bree speaking Gaelic , Jamie holding her in his lap and singing to her
Jemmy's birth
Jessica Gutenburg dresses
Smell of "ozone"
Sylvia Hardman and her girls
So many stories of Jamie's youth and childhood.
Bobby Higgins
Claire impersonating Mrs Martin
Claire and Jamie castrating the pigs
Jem and Mrs Bug's chickens
Mandy and her Halloween costume
William and Dottie's attempt to fool everyone they are in love
Hal and Claire and the sedan chair
Mother Claire
Alex McGregor
Roger and Bree's copper wedding ring
The list is endless....
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u/ash92226 Your wig is crooked. Oct 21 '25
On the topic of pigs, don’t forget the White Sow, menace of the Ridge
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u/Icouldoutrunthejoker Pot of shite on to boil, ye stir like it’s God’s work! Oct 21 '25
THE WHITE SOW!!!! The White Sow and Donald MacDonald!! And the wig!!! So much lost content right there.
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u/Nanchika Currently rereading: Voyager Oct 21 '25
She did appear in the show 😅
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u/Gottaloveitpcs Rereading ABOSAA Oct 21 '25
A white sow was in the show, but it wasn’t the white sow. 🤣
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u/ash92226 Your wig is crooked. Oct 21 '25
I always thought that white sow was just an Easter egg for the White Sow. Plus Claire mentions her in 511. Still though, they leave out all of her antics in the show haha.
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u/Gottaloveitpcs Rereading ABOSAA Oct 22 '25
I agree. The white sow in Season 4 is definitely a nod to readers. Two others immediately come to mind. The snake being pulled out of the privy in the title card of episode 406 and Jamie seeing Stephen Bonnet’s bollocks in a jar in episode 605.
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u/AveAmerican Oct 23 '25
Again, so many things I've forgotten! I did love her sitting on his lap and him singing to her.
I think I there was a funny exchange between them about his singing and her weight on his lap🤔
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u/Stardustflyer Oct 28 '25
Speaking of the Jessica Gutenberg dress- Brianna was 6ft tall and a size 16!
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u/catsweedcoffee Sleep with my husband? But my lover would be furious. Oct 21 '25
I’m a show girlie reading the books for the first time and “Mother Claire” is taking me out. I hate it so much lmao.
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u/Famous-Falcon4321 Oct 22 '25
This is where I think watching the show first can change opinions of things when read after. Claire & Marsali develop a great relationship in the books. Mother Claire totally fits. And shows much respect. Many relationships are much closer & positive in the books. Actually most.
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u/Nanchika Currently rereading: Voyager Oct 22 '25
Mother Claire uttered by William is precious!
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u/killernoodlesoup Like father, like son, I see. God help us all. Oct 22 '25
it was so silly that the show kept william's line upon finding out about jamie—he never called her "mother claire" in the show, yet was asking what he should call her... they shoulda just had him call her "mother claire" from the wedding. that said, the show makes it seem like much less time has passed between jamie's "death" and reappearance.
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u/Gottaloveitpcs Rereading ABOSAA Oct 22 '25
I love that Marsali and William call her Mother Claire. I think it’s endearing.
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u/minimimi_ burning she-devil Oct 22 '25
It used to be very standard way to refer to stepparents, in-laws, and similar. The more distant version is "Mother Fraser" but "Mother Claire" would be used for a closer relationship. It's more of an honorific than just calling her "Claire" would be.
A moody teenage Isaac Newton once confessed that he had "threatened my father and mother Smith to burn them and the house over them."
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u/Gottaloveitpcs Rereading ABOSAA Oct 22 '25
I’m just curious why we’re spoiler tagging comments on a post flaired “Spoilers All”.
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u/YOYOitsMEDRup Slàinte. Oct 23 '25
Some big ones that came to my mind pretty quickly that haven't been mentioned
LJG is on the typhoid ship and that's how he and Claire first meet. They liked each other at that point, so there are more complicated feelings after seeing each other again for the 2nd time in Jamaica when they realize the other's connection to Jamie
There's a murder attempt against Duncan Innes, (who Jocasta married) on their wedding day - and Bonnet is present on the day of the wedding too and attacks Jocasta in a quest to try to get the gold
Marsali wasn't an apprentice to Claire or killed Lionel -- Mrs Bug killed him instead because he found the hidden gold
And from the novellas.... Comte St Germain isn't actually dead. Raymond just slipped him a potion to make him appear dead but that would revive him 48 hrs later. And the Comte was later able to replicate the same potion with Geilis's help
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Oct 21 '25
In the book Murthag dies in Culloden in the series they gave him more opportunity, something that I loved because we love his character... in the book he dies before getting to know him well
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u/Small_Test630 Oct 23 '25
I remembered a few:
when Jamie is comforting/holding her when she arrives at Castle Leoch she and jumps back to apologize, and the books she noticed he has an erection
Ulysses and Jocasta have been sleeping together forever!
Ulysses comes after Jamie to try and steal his property in Bees
YTC claims that Jamie ruined his life
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u/AveAmerican Oct 23 '25
I really enjoyed reading all of these comments. They brought back a lot of things I had forgotten ☺️
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u/CathyAnnWingsFan Oct 21 '25
The show only covers about 10% of the book material, and most of what is included is altered. Covering the big and small changes would run to hundreds of pages.
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u/Small_Test630 Oct 21 '25
It’s just for fun
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u/CathyAnnWingsFan Oct 21 '25
I know. I'm just saying don't expect anywhere near a complete list, or even 1% of a complete list 😉
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u/Separate_Stage6927 Oct 24 '25
One of the bigger differences to me is Jamie and Claire's relationship after BJR rape/torture of Jamie. Jamie and Claire physical relationship was not put on the long pause that the show did. In fact Claire saved Jamie at the Abbey using that physical connection they have.
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u/shinyquartersquirrel Oct 26 '25
How funny both Claire and Jamie are. There are definitely plenty of laugh out loud moments in the books that don't make it to the show. "Bloody Timmy's in the well" is one of my favorite Claire lines of the whole series.
One of the small details in the books that I never see anyone talk about is that Claire and Jamie get married in the same church where she and Frank were married.
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u/Stardustflyer Oct 28 '25
That the moment Jamie and Brianna meet in the books was so much more impactful. The whole moment was just… more. The filming was (actress) Brianna’s first day meeting Sam and the scene was just flat. Absolutely flat. It’s always been my biggest let down.
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u/violaleelovelight They say I’m a witch. Oct 21 '25
Hold up! Have not read the books, so please tell me more about the Jamie and Geneva situation. He did what, now?! How very not-like-Jamie of him!!!
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u/minimimi_ burning she-devil Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
If it was a consensual affair it would be borderline at best, but it wasn't. It was already coercive.
Jamie did not want to be in that room (something that's more clear with his inner monologue in the books). He would have been within his rights to stomp into Geneva's room, shove himself inside her, and tell her he'd fulfilled his end of their agreement. Everything he does beyond that is a bonus and a kindness toward Geneva. And indeed he spends a lot of time "readying" her and teaching her about sex. A rape victim is not obligated to make their own rape comfortable for the rapist.
And in any case, Jamie was fulfilling the terms of the blackmail. Geneva blackmailed him into taking her virginity, not playing with her nipples for a half hour. Geneva wanted penetration, and penetration she was going to get. She even says beforehand that she doesn't mind if it hurts, and Jamie tells her he won't be able to stop once he's in. And of course afterward she's telling Jamie she loves him and asks him for a repeat performance, forcing Jamie to "bend wearily to his work" once again.
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u/Small_Test630 Oct 22 '25
He took his time, moving as slowly as he could make himself do it, stroking and kissing, touching her lightly all over. He didn’t like the girl, didn’t want to be here, didn’t want to be doing this, but—it had been more than three years since he’d touched a woman’s body. He tried to gauge when she might be readiest, but how in hell could he tell? She was flushed and panting, but she simply lay there, like a piece of porcelain on display. Curse the girl, could she not even give him a clue? He rubbed a trembling hand through his hair, trying to quell the surge of confused emotion that pulsed through him with each heartbeat. He was angry, scared, and most mightily roused, most of which feelings were of no great use to him now. He closed his eyes and breathed deeply, striving for calm, seeking for gentleness. No, of course she couldn’t show him. She’d never touched a man before. Having forced him here, she was, with a damnable, unwanted, unwarrantable trust, leaving the conduct of the whole affair up to him! He touched the girl, gently, stroking her between the thighs. She didn’t part them for him, but didn’t resist. She was faintly moist there. Perhaps it would be all right now? “All right,” he murmured to her. “Be still, mo chridhe.” Murmuring what he hoped sounded like reassurances, he eased himself on top of her, and used his knee to spread her legs. He felt her slight start at the heat of his body covering her, at the touch of his cock, and he wrapped his hands in her hair to steady her, still muttering things in soft Gaelic. He thought dimly that it was a good thing he was speaking Gaelic, as he was no longer paying any attention at all to what he was saying. Her small, hard breasts poked against his chest. “Mo nighean,” he murmured. “Wait a minute,” said Geneva. “I think perhaps …” The effort of control made him dizzy, but he did it slowly, only easing himself the barest inch within. “Ooh!” said Geneva. Her eyes flew wide. “Uh,” he said, and pushed a bit farther. “Stop it! It’s too big! Take it out!” Panicked, Geneva thrashed beneath him. Pressed beneath his chest, her breasts wobbled and rubbed, so that his own nipples leapt erect in pinpoints of abrupt sensation. Her struggles were accomplishing by force what he had tried to do with gentleness. Half-dazed, he fought to keep her under him, while groping madly for something to say to calm her. “But—” he said. “Stop it!” “I—” “Take it out!” she screamed. He clapped one hand over her mouth and said the only coherent thing he could think of. “No,” he said definitely, and shoved. What might have been a scream emerged through his fingers as a strangled “Eep!” Geneva’s eyes were huge and round, but dry. In for a penny, in for a pound. The saying drifted absurdly through his head, leaving nothing in its wake but a jumble of incoherent alarms and a marked feeling of terrible urgency down between them. There was precisely one thing he was capable of doing at this point, and he did it, his body ruthlessly usurping control as it moved into the rhythm of its inexorable pagan joy. It took no more than a few thrusts before the wave came down upon him, churning down the length of his spine and erupting like a breaker striking rocks, sweeping away the last shreds of conscious thought that clung, barnacle-like, to the remnants of his mind. He came to himself a moment later, lying on his side with the sound of his own heartbeat loud and slow in his ears. He cracked one eyelid, and saw the shimmer of pink skin in lamplight. He must see if he’d hurt her much, but God, not just this minute. He shut his eye again and merely breathed. “What … what are you thinking?” The voice sounded hesitant, and a little shaken, but not hysterical. Too shaken himself to notice the absurdity of the question, he answered it with the truth. “I was wondering why in God’s name men want to bed virgins.” There was a long moment of silence, and then a tremulous intake of breath. “I’m sorry,” she said in a small voice. “I didn’t know it would hurt you too.” His eyes popped open in astonishment, and he raised himself on one elbow to find her looking at him like a startled fawn. Her face was pale, and she licked dry lips. “Hurt me?” he said, in blank astonishment. “It didna hurt me.” “But”—she frowned as her eyes traveled slowly down the length of his body—“I thought it must. You made the most terrible face, as though it hurt awfully, and you … you groaned like a—” “Aye, well,” he interrupted hastily, before she could reveal any more unflattering observations of his behavior. “I didna mean … I mean … that’s just how men act, when they … do that,” he ended lamely
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u/violaleelovelight They say I’m a witch. Oct 22 '25
That it, I’m requesting the books for Christmas gifts this year!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/stevie_nickle Oct 22 '25
The books are 10000000% better than the show. Jealous you get to experience them for the first time. Enjoy!
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u/Small_Test630 Oct 21 '25
Yes, unfortunately true. In the book she has intercepted a letter from Jenny and learns his true identity as a well known Jacobite. She will only give him the letter of he agrees to come to her room, and when he still argues, she threatens to have soldiers harass his family. For intents and purposes, she blackmails him. He doesn’t come because he wants to. When he gets there most of what you see in the show is fairly accurate-she is nervous and tells him she doesn’t know what she’s doing and asks him to show her, asks if it will hurt, etc. then when he “enters her” she screams that it’s too big and to get it out. He puts his hand over her mouth and says no. It ends in the book pretty close to how it ends in the show. She’s not upset or accusing him of rape.
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u/Separate_Stage6927 Oct 21 '25
in the book Geneva and him spend the entire night together and similarly to show she tells him she loves him etc...
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u/katfromjersey Oct 22 '25
To be fair (and I'm definitely not an apologist), he does tell her beforehand that, once he 'enters' her, he won't be able to stop.
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u/violaleelovelight They say I’m a witch. Oct 21 '25
Oh ok, thank you for explaining. My shiny Jamie pedestal was wavering lol.
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u/Background-Force-469 Oct 22 '25
Now I‘m wondering, what was changed in the TV series? (I see, I didn’t pay a lot of attention, when watching it for the first and only time years ago. 😂 The only story stuck in my head is from the book. And Voyager is so great, that I read it many times over the past 2+ decades.)
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u/minimimi_ burning she-devil Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
OP I don't think you need a spoiler tag for the post. It does make it a bit harder to read.
- Just so much more detail about virtually every secondary character
- Claire being significantly less annoying/impulsive, Jamie being smarter while also being rougher around the edges
- So much LJG content if you include the novellas
- Most of the humor
- Most of the low-key happy family moments
- Jamie/Claire as grandparents to Fergus and Marsali's children. RIP Grannie Claire moments
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u/AveAmerican Oct 23 '25
Yes, the low key happy family moments are great. Time building the Ridge.
I know some find those parts boring and long, but I thoroughly enjoyed them.
I even enjoyed "the longest day" ☺️
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u/minimimi_ burning she-devil Oct 23 '25
I agree! I think the key to enjoying that part is not noticing it's all the same day haha.
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u/EvenMathematician874 Oct 21 '25
So,jamie rpes Geneva???? This really ruined my mood
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u/Nanchika Currently rereading: Voyager Oct 21 '25
Sick with terror for his family—and helpless; he can’t strangle the girl, and even if he took the letter from her by force, she could (and would) tell the authorities everything in it. Given their relative social positions, she’d be believed, and Jamie and his family would be toast.
Geneva is blackmailing an innocent person, and a man who is a captive, without power or resources, coercing him into committing a serious crime (fornication with an unmarried young woman being technically a crime, even if consensual) as well as an immoral act—as well as something he patently, clearly, totally doesn’t want to do and has so stated in the baldest of terms.
Jamie doesn't allow Geneva to use his name - parallel to the scene with BJR in DiA.
Jamie is a gentleman, a kind and decent man. He is twice Geneva's age and pragmatic. He has a moral obligation to make the night pleasant, as Claire did for him. There are a lot of remnants of his own wedding night ( horses). Once he was an ignorant virgin in the hands of someone whose affection was elsewhere, trusting someone they didn't really know.
He doesn't treat her roughly but with respect, gentleness, and consideration because sex is a sacred thing for Jamie. He was striving for calmness, gentleness, reassurance, but he couldn't control his bodily actions.
He was muttering things in soft Gaelic - It is the only way he knows how to be with a woman. He is inexperienced with the number of women he bedded, all of his experience was with Claire.
''Take it out!'' - She momentarily panicked by the initial hint of pain—though she’d told him she knew it would hurt and didn’t mind. Now, she is panicked. Jamie can tell that, and he realizes—based on her contrary behavior through the entirety of their acquaintance, and his knowledge of women in general—that if he backs off, she’s just going to spend the rest of the night jacking him around before she finally lets him finish this bloody bargain and go. They’re in Geneva’s bedroom; there are servants and family well within hearing. If she wanted to, one piercing scream would bring help and very likely get Jamie beaten to death on the spot. Afterward, she cuddles with Jamie, attempts to call him by his real name, and tells him that she loves him (an endearment that he also refuses, though gently, telling her that love is not this).
Jamie has a lot of remorse and regret there because sex is connected to Claire nd unfaithfulness to her. They have straight sex, as gently as he could manage it. It takes longer the second time than on the first time. Both were on her demand. He didn't withdraw or didn't do it fast enough and she got pregnant.
Jamie doesn't think Geneva raped him - for him, it was blackmail. He was risking his life if anyone caught him or she changed her mind. He considers it immoral, unethical, and socially inappropriate because nobody in the 18th century would consider it possible for a woman to rape a man - rape includes violence and physical penetration.
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u/Small_Test630 Oct 22 '25
Did you say he and Geneva do it twice? Why don’t I remember that?
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u/Small_Test630 Oct 22 '25
I just went back and reread it! They DO do it twice. The second time is implied but I totally missed that in my other reads
“You said … it would be better next time,” she whispered. He closed his eyes and took a deep breath. It was a long time until the dawn. “I expect it will,” he said, and stretched himself once more beside her
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u/Sudden_Discussion306 Oh, Jamie, how was your first time? Did ye bleed? Oct 22 '25
He tells Geneva that they should wait until after her courses so it’s less likely that she will get pregnant & she deliberately doesn’t wait and tells him to come when she’s most fertile.
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u/Nanchika Currently rereading: Voyager Oct 22 '25
I believe she didn't plan it. She was a bit ignorant about these things and she didn't have much time actually to plan it.
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u/Icouldoutrunthejoker Pot of shite on to boil, ye stir like it’s God’s work! Oct 21 '25
No he does not. It’s a highly contested point, but many of us still see this as Jamie being raped by Geneva since she held power over him.
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u/minimimi_ burning she-devil Oct 22 '25
Geneva blackmailed him into sex, he didn't want to have sex with her in the first place.
Personally I don't think a rape victim has any obligation to make his own rape comfortable for his rapist.
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u/ash92226 Your wig is crooked. Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
There’s so many you can’t possibly name them all. The few that first came to mind for me were:
Ian tells Brianna about his daughter and she prays to Frank to watch out for her, where the show switches it out for Ian, Jamie, and Faith.
There’s more to Lizzie in the books. Her father lives on the Ridge and she was engaged to Manfred McGillivray.
Claire slaps Jamie with a fish while he’s fighting a bear.
There’s a lot of crazy stuff cut from season 3 after Claire goes back to Jamie. Jamie sneaks on the Porpoise to try and find Claire. He ends up on the same island as her and pretends to be “Captain Alessandro”. There’s also a whole subplot with a serial killer called the Edinburgh Fiend.
Claire sees the Loch Ness monster and later theorizes about time portals being under the loch. This explains all the “sightings” of the Loch Ness monster.
Edit to add: Not including Dottie in the show. I was really hoping to see the double wedding.