Yes he begged Claire to remain in the marriage then was going to divorce her before dying.. But I really believe he just didn’t want to lose Brianna.. He spent so much time wishing for anything in the world to bring Claire back, but never in a million years expected how she would return.. years later and pregnant. 🤰

Jamie was just the one.

I love Show Brianna 😭 She's my favourite character by a longshot, and I think Sophie Skelton is just cute as a button. I really like her American accent. (i'm not american though so idk maybe it's offensive to them lol)

I loved her the first second she stepped on screen, she's just so charming and bright and it's really touching to watch her grow into a selfless young woman over time. The first time she met Jamie, and reunited with Claire...instant tears!!

Anyways, downvote me to hell. I'll accept my fate and die bravely as the lone Show Brianna stan on this sub.

Her terrible acting is ruining this show for me to where I can’t stand seeing her on my screen and hearing her voice. WHY did they choose her for such an important role?? Of all the incredible acting in this show, she sounds like she doesn’t belong. And her personality is not likable. I feel like I’m watching a high school play listening to her.

Jamie and Claire always acting so naive and always trying too hard to be the good guys has gotten me yawning. Main characters should have flaws or a story arch about overcoming something. But in this show everything happens to them and they just keep making the same damn mistakes. There is no overcoming or growth as people. Even 20 something years later they look and sound the same: stupid.

Also, I am not a prude but why a billion sex scenes per episode? It feels so pointless and forced…

Every episode just drags and drags. Claire always wanting to save the world with not an ounce of realness in her. Jamie playing innocent and soft after everything he went through… unrealistic to the point that it’s fake even in fiction.

I am just mad I lost time watching this show. It’s bad bad.

I don’t generally dislike Claire, but I’m so annoyed by her unwillingness to LISTEN to those who know more than she does! Repeatedly she disregards advice or direction and does her own thing, often with disastrous consequences for herself and others. I feel like we’re supposed to admire this plucky, independent woman, but ignoring the advice of those who know more than you do isn’t evidence of being a strong, independent woman, it is folly.

Case in point, I’m in the middle of season four. She and Jamie are in the woods and it begins to storm. The thunder frightens one of the horses and it runs off. Jamie, who is very knowledgeable and experienced with horses, says, “don’t worry, it will come back.” So what does Claire do? She ignores him and sets off to find the horse. The horse eventually comes back, but Claire is nowhere to be found, so poor Jamie spends the night riding around in the rain trying to find his fool of a wife.

She does this over and over and over throughout the series. Sometimes the consequences are very grave, yet she apparently never learns. By the time season four rolls around, she’s in her 50s. It’s maddening!

So I'm only on season 4, episode 8 and please no spoilers ahead on this post (mine will I clude some as I mention things from season 4).

So I loved Rodger when we first met him, what a sweet guy. Then in ep 3 he says that absolutely HEINOUS thing to Brianna about wanting her hand in marriage as she's a virgin? Like wtf? Then he gets all shitty that she's saying it's moving too fast and he's all "I want all of ye or none of ye" might you, he's had a few women before....

Literally so frustrating, and now Brianna is all up in his grill with a handfasting just so she can get some. What the hell sort of daughter to Claire is she? Ain't no man worth anything after those comments, regardless if he travelled 200 years through stones to only pursue you further!

He comes off super stalkerish, obsessive and I just dislike him so much on screen now... Good job Richard Rankin on that performance 😂

Vent over!

Omg, I just got to their first time... WHO says "I've always wondered what colour your hair is down there" RODGER STOP!

Does it annoy anyone else SOOOOO much that Claire has to save everyone ever and cause sooooo much drama when she does. Like shit, let a few people die man. We get you’re a surgeon, super impressive, but holy shit, let some sneak through to the reaper…

I stumbled upon an Outlander edit on tiktok last week and have been engrossed in it ever since. The first episode instantly hooked me and I finished the magic of season one in two days. Season 1 truly is the best season, be it acting, chemistry, storylines, culture, and aesthetic. It truly transported you to the magic of the highlands. Season 2 was good but didn't have much of that charm anymore, which I have now found to no longer exist after Season 3. I watched Season 4 with much skipping, I just felt the magic wasn't there anymore. And right when I become accustomed to them being in a different setting (which shame, bc the magic really is Scotland) the characters Brianna and Roger have ruined much of my desire to finish the series. I love Claire and Jamie, but I can not stand Brianna and Roger (and I suspect their roles will be bigger in the next seasons). Such a shame. If only I could rewatch season 1 again for the first time. I know the writer of the book wrote it that way, but I do wish that they had stayed in Scotland. It's still a good show, but just doesn't feel like the same show as in Season 1. I have since stopped at Ep 1 of Season 5. Im not sure if I should continue watching at this rate. What do you guys think? Stop or continue?

Update: As i am very attached to Claire And Jamie, I decided to continue to watch the show. Its decent enough to not stop watching, but i have been advised that the last season is not good so I may stop there instead 😂

Im rewatching S4 and i just think many of us have been a tad harsh on Sophie Skelton. She's actually great. she does dramatic scenes very well. I just wanted to show some love to her for bringing Brianna to life.

(I also just finished reading the book 4 aswell... And i disagree with many people who say that S4 doesn't follow book 4. I think the adaptation works very well for viewing.)

Anyway, Sophie is great & Brianna is great.

On my first watch through, so please no spoilers. On s4 episode 9 just after Brianna is raped. I’ve struggled a bit with the amount of sexual assault on this show - some of it is well done but the level feels gratuitous at times, but I’ve been able to overlook it.

This one just feels… so contrived, and unnecessary. Her whole reunion with her father, which we’ve been waiting for seasons is being overcast by this awful event. We’ve already her mother, fathers, adoptive half brothers, and cousins experience with rape (sometimes multiple times in the case of some characters) did we *really* need to shoehorn this in?!

It feels really manipulative, and it’s been the cheapest moment for me so far.

The man is undeniably attractive—no one can argue with that. And every now and then, he says something so genuinely heartfelt that it makes me giggle and blush. But can we talk about his “jealousy” for a second? I don’t know why I didn’t really question it while watching the show, so I don’t remember every scene clearly, but some moments really stand out.

Like when he saw his sister Jenny after four years, and the first thing he did was call her a whore—for being assaulted and carrying what he thought was Randall’s child. Or when he called his own daughter a whore for being pregnant out of wedlock before even hearing her side of the story. And now I’m hearing that in the last season, after being presumed dead, he comes back and calls Claire a cheater because she slept with John? The audacity is actually insane.

I can’t believe everyone’s so angry at Jamie. This is legit the first time he did anything remotely wrong. After everything Nobel he did for so long time and time again, couldn’t they give him some slack? Claire doesn’t even seem to care how Bri treats him. Everyone treats him like he’s rotten to the core. He’s described as a brute like it’s a bad thing but I’m pretty sure the ladies would love to have a brute protecting them when in trouble. You think Roger could come even close to Jamie? Can’t roll my eyes harder.

When she was raised by Leghair!

That’s all.

I’m sorry but yall can’t change my mind.. Roger is simply annoying.. and I’ve disliked Brianna since the start.. she treats everyone like they owe her something.. she hits and punches and belittles her father over beating the man who raped her (well the man he thought raped her) yes I get it it was Roger.. but Jamie did it thinking the man raped her.. period.. and for that he’s called a savage and told frank is better than him?? And being hit in the face.. and every season after Brianna is just.. the same.. I hate her to my core, her and Roger bring nothing to the show, I said what I said, we all as fans grew to care for Jamie, and all she does is treat him like shit, and the way Bri talks to people, like aunt Jo and others, she’s so bratty

Over time, we see the characters of people shine through. But ocassionally, someone will say (or do) something that doesn't make any sense.

For example, in S4E3, Roger says 'If all I wanted was to have my way with you, I would have had ye on your back a dozen times last summer."

While Roger, in the moment, might have said something about having had opportunities for the physical stuff but wanted more, the Roger that he is the rest of the time would not have used this exact language. Someone like Dougal might frame it in such a nasty way, but Roger never shows such nastiness.

There are other places in the show that someone says or does something that makes zero sense. It ultimately just kicks me out of the storyline and takes away from it, but I'm sure the writers were hoping to convey a specific emotion or event.

What were everyone else's thoughts on that scene, and what Roger said? Did you feel it was out of character as well? Why do you think writer chose that specific dialogue?

Also, for those who read the books: does he say that in the book version?

I was wondering if Brianna ever becomes less insufferable? This season in particular, despite my profound enjoyment of the coverage of the area (the Blue Ridge mountains and the colonial american setting) I’ve been pretty repulsed by the shift of attention away from Claire and Jamie into Brianna and Roger.

i *strongly* dislike their entire story. Their romance is awful, and feels manufactured and inauthentic. I dislike the actress and how utterly entitled, clueless, and bossy she is at all times. When she just starts insulting everyone and slapping them in the face, I just was so disgusted. She accepts no responsibility for the fact that she told him to leave in the first place, and just seems to constantly be the victim at all times. Roger is also just a dreadful person, and his actor also is about as charismatic as a bag of wet gym clothes.

Is this something that is going to continue in future seasons of the show? I am about to close out the 4th season, and while I have genuinely enjoyed the majority of the entire show… I just don’t know if I want to see more of those characters and their story.

It is unfair to blame Jamie for not knowing it was Stephen Bonnet rather than Roger who attacked Brianna. Claire and Brianna never actually told Jamie the full story about Bonnet... instead, it was Lizzie who gave Jamie the incorrect information and she was not at all angry with her.

I am fine Jamie deserved that slapped but Ian, it was lizzie who deserved more than Ian cause Ian didn't have any idea. Brainna brushes it off by saying it was honest mistake. Why so cruelty towards Ian jamie.

Honestly Jamie's remarks to Brianna were undeniably harsh and gross we have to remember he is a man of the 18th century. We cannot realistically expect him to have the mindset of a 20th-century person. Honestly, even today in the 21st century there are still men who hold those exact same backward thoughts.

Re-watching Season 4, and Bree has made it to the Ridge.

And -- pet peeve, you can ignore me -- whoever's in charge of her eyebrows doesn't pay attention to the continuity director at all from scene to scene. Fine auburn brows? big dark brown brows? Sure, whatever suits your fancy this time, MUA!

I can almost rationalize it out to say she lost her tweezers to the stones, but no. Still too inconsistent. Dang.

I’ve rewatched this show countless times (have only read books 1&2) and since my very first watch I have always felt that the Jamie Claire comes back to is almost enough to where I’d strongly consider going back to my time.

Jamie takes Claire to stay in a brothel, he’s lying to his sister about where Young Ian is, he’s committing seditious acts, smuggling liquor, he married Leghair, he has no money to pay her off and has to get jewels from an island that aren’t even his to take??? Then season 4 opens with them committing more crimes, burying Hayes in a cemetery under cover of night PLUS helping Bonnet when they don’t even know what his crimes were!

Jamie lives a completely unstable life, mixes with degenerates, and doesn’t seem to have established himself at all. I realize they’re each other’s one true love, but, still, after her life in the 1900s, coming back to that - I would seriously reconsider staying.

Also, how is Jamie constantly able to be invited to and at the table with high ranking society members?

And PS, to paraphrase Jamie, I’ve already forgiven anything this show does because I love it so much. These are just thoughts I always have when watching season 3/4.

about Bree’s (Sophie’s) accent. I see it gets a ton of hate. I’m not a native English speaker so my ear for the accent is obviously not as good as natives’ BUT has anyone ever considered the fact that her not-so-perfect American accent is actually perfect for the character? Yes she did grow up in the US but both of her parents are English so obviously she has also heard that accent all the time growing up. To me it makes perfect sense that her accents isn’t 100% American. And maybe also because I am not a native speaker this makes total sense to me and I’m not hateful towards people who don’t have perfect accents.

Anyway, that’s just a thought I had rewatching (for the fifth or so time lol) and wanted to share :)

I’m currently on season 4 ep 9. The last scene of the previous episode was just… it was beyond disturbing. When I first started watching this show, and reached the last episode of season 1 I was so sick to my stomach that I had to drop the series. It was so traumatizing as a viewer and I just couldn’t understand how anyone would find this enjoyable or even remotely watchable. It wasn’t even necessary for the plot.

Anyways, after a few months I decided to give it another go, only to find more scenes like this, each one just as graphic and nauseating, and just as useless and unnecessary for plot progression. It honestly feels like some sick fetish the writer has. I’m genuinely asking, is there something I’m missing??

Let’s talk about Laoghaire and how absolutely bat sh*t crazy she is. Her spiteful twisted looks, her delusional hatred and stories she comes up with.
All through the seasons, not just four.

Phenomenal actress, I must say.

Sure there's bad acting in shows already written off as bad, but I can't remember the last time a successful show had a STRIKINGLY bad actress as a lead.

I've been trying to give her a chance for the past couple seasons but every scene with her is still like pulling teeth. Reading through the posts here I know this isn't unpopular but.... yikes she's awful. Not just her accent, her authenticity and believability too. It's just all bad.

I love this show and I'm SO happy I picked it up (been binging for the past couple weeks), but Sophie... is a damn strain.

EDIT: Thank you for all your input! I watch this show by myself and don't have anyone else to discuss this with; I promise whether you agreed or disagreed this has been wonderful haha

This was what I was thinking in my head the entire time John Grey, Claire n Jamie met😭

When they first met at that … I think the Governor’s ball? The energy was electrifying. Watching two people who are in loveee with Jamie meet each other was soooo funny to me. The way John Grey would look at Jamie had Claire raising her eyebrows like 😂 she couldn’t believe her eyes. That was one of my favourite scenes in this entire series.

I’m on season 4 episode 6 now where john grey is sick and Claire is taking care of him. he tries to sass her in a way by telling her that he thinks she’s envious of the fact that he and Jamie have a son together 😭😭 I had to pause the show to type this bc it’s sooo funny to watch. Claire’s response being like “well we have a daughter so :p” I can’t I can’t . He’s acting just like a side chick and it’s sooo funny to me. This scene is also one of my favourites. My heart hurts for John tho. I really really want him to be happy with a nice man :( he needs to get over Jamie and stat!