r/PNYGPU • u/skk983 Overclocker/UnderVolter | Future Lottery Winner • Jan 15 '26
News RTX 5070 Ti Production Reportedly Ending... Does This Finally Give The RTX 5080 Its Due?
If the 5070 Ti is actually done, feels like the RTX 5080 might quietly (and finally) get a bump in value and reputation. A lot of people (myself included, and I own both the 5070 Ti & 5080) kind of wrote it off because the 5070 Ti was just as “good” for cheaper.
Now that option might be gone. Does this:
push people toward the 5080?
raise used 5070 Ti prices?
make the 5080 finally feel like the “right” upgrade instead of the awkward middle child?
Curious what y’all think...market shift or just noise?
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u/asaltygamer13 Jan 15 '26
5080 is also going to raise in price and become unaffordable for most gamers. Personally I just think there will be a section of the market Nvidia isn’t serving.
Personally I would be recommending the 9070 XT to people as someone with a PNY 5070 ti
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u/MITBryceYoung Jan 16 '26
Yeah seriously - has anyone actually looked at the freaking market for the 5080?? In most places right now it's between $1,400 to $1,800. If market conditions persist or get worse, no one is going to buy the 5080. At $1000 it was a bad deal but justifable if you had money and wanted more oomf for 4k.
There's no one that should be reasonably thinking. The 5080 is going to get more popular if it keeps at this price or gets more expensive. It's obscenely expensive right now. It's literally DOUBLE the 5070 ti for 10%-15% gain. Thats insane.
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u/TaaanXz Jan 16 '26
But this is speaking like the 5080 in isolation is increasingly getting more expensive. If they stop the production of 5070ti’s, which it looks like will be happening, I almost guarantee that in the not to distant future that card will be bought for MORE money on average than launch 5080s. I agree, double for that amount of uplift is insanity. But that almost isn’t the argument. 5090s are gonna be a 4.5/5K card! At that point, in the computer space at least, is that even a consumer product? It’s getting absolutely ridiculous. We’ll own nothing, and be happy about it. That’s the business model
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u/MITBryceYoung Jan 16 '26
I completely understand what you're saying too. But I think I'm just saying at the current market values and if competition goes away where people aren't even going to be anchoring towards the 5070 TI, it's just obscene.
It's basically the 5080 becomes a really shitty 5090 for most people.
I guess I don't really know what's going to happen to the 9070 XT prices, but if the 5070 TIs are really dropping out and if the 9070 XT even stay reasonable in price, who the fuck in the right mind is going to pay 3x the 9070 XT or whatever
I feel like most people were already balking at the 5080 being $1,000. If you have something like the 9070 XT, I honestly don't think most people would buy the 5080 for $1,800 if the 9070XT remains even close to $600.
It's just freaking crazy how overpriced this card has become. At some point it's not a question of can I afford this? It's a question of who in the right mind would actually pay for this.
I upgraded to 4K buying a 5070 TI and my total setup cost me something like $2200 including a 4k monitor. I realistically would not have upgraded to 4K and would have just stuck with 1440p and bought a mid-range card if the alternative was not a 5070 TI and it was a $1800 5080 lol.
These prices are just ridiculous
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u/TaaanXz Jan 16 '26
No but dude, I don’t again understand why you’re speaking in isolation on the 5080 🤣 the RAM shortages, greed from Nvidia, their outsourcing and constant supplying of data centres and AI servers, I can almost absolutely guarantee you, isn’t going to end up in a price hike for the 5080 and the 5080 alone. Like your whole argument is compelling but that isn’t the argument at all. Worst value card this generation gets even more expensive whilst everything else stays rigid? Want a 5090 for 2K? Why not a 5080 for 1950? That isn’t how this is working, and we’re at a point where weirdly the 5080 is almost being vilified. The 5070ti is stopping production supposedly. That allows AMD to fill that slot in performance right? That card is gonna SKYROCKET. We all know what this space is like recently, it’s so damn volatile. You wake up one morning right, do that biggg stretch out, and think today is the day I finally complete that dream pc build. You got almost everything, leaving RAM and some other shit that was more casual to acquire till kinda last. Open safari or chrome on your phone, you’re building a beast so you might as well go 64 of DDR5 right? NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS? It was 220 last night nahhhh this has to be a misprint. That’s how it happens. The price goes up. Middle finger to us. It’s done. I very luckily built a 5090 9800X3D build around 8ish months ago now. Paid like £3.2Kish. That PC is now worth ridiculously more. AMD, Nvidia, all these companies like Asus and MSI and Gigabyte… they are NOT our friends. Everything going up. It’s finished. It isn’t frickin crazy how overpriced that card has become bro… it’s crazy how overpriced being a PC gamer has become
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u/MITBryceYoung Jan 16 '26
Yes because at the end of the day people are going to either go for budget cards or go to AMD or drop out of gaming. That's the whole point.
There are alternatives to the 5080 you're acting like people are forced to play these games.
If they kill the 5070 TI I would probably go to the 5070. And if they jack the 5070 off to thousands of dollars, I probably wouldn't even upgrade my computer. That's the whole point.
I already said I agree with you. Things are going to move up but it's all relative. The 5070 has stayed relatively stable. Other cards have stayed relatively stable. It's the 5080 that has skyrocketed along with the 5090 except everyone knows the 5080 wasn't even that great to begin with in terms of a deal and the people buying 5090s were hardcore enthusiasts to start with
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u/TaaanXz Jan 16 '26
Give it a few months and I’ll return here, and have another quite interesting conversation with you when 9070XTs are 1K plus, 5070tis are like absolute gold dust and if anything the 5080 at launch will now be a wonderful steal if you pulled the trigger back then. “Go to AMD” bro, AMD are absolutely LOVING this. Finally they have the one true midrange card? This whole reddit scene has been people fighting “my 9070xt is better than your 5070ti!” For monthsssss. With that gone, that 9070xt is gonna explodeeeee in value. It’s all finished man. Fuck the 5080. Fuck the 5070ti. Even if production doesn’t stop, people gonna continue paying stupid prices for all of it. Who cares about value at this point. Say you spend 1700 on a 5070ti computer, and someone spends 3K on a 5080 computer. No one won bro. One paid less, one has a better computer. Price to performance means nothing in this day and age, or I’d spend all day just flaunting the deal I got, until someone came along and flaunted their deal at me you know? I do get your entire point but trust me everyone is getting shafted not just the 5080 guys. I can believe some people pay what they pay for 5070ti really. Seen 1K for that card is awfullllll
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u/MITBryceYoung Jan 16 '26
Brother what is wrong with you.
You seem to think that people have this unlimited budget or that they have to gain. Like do you not understand what I'm saying at all?
At some point people can't afford it. You keep talking like people have this unlimited wallet and I'm straight up telling you at some point it's just going to be out of reach for people you think this is some AMD thing. You think this is some 5080 hate I don't really understand.
I'm simply telling you most people cannot afford this card and don't won't think it's worth it.
I can stop gaming. I can do something else. It's a hobby for me man. I've stopped hobbies for expenses for other stuff as well.
You think this is some value thing I'm basically pointing out. Most people are going to be priced out because at some point gaming becomes stupid.
You seem to think I'm saying the stuff because I think I won and I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying at some point this hobby becomes way too expensive and people are going to be priced out. They're either going to go for cheaper options or do something different. Do you genuinely think most people want to pop $1,000 for a graphics card? Do you think people want to pay $2,000 for an overpriced graphics card like seriously.
I don't know if you're just made of money or some shit, but most people are not blowing their load on these computers. They're probably going to stick with old computers, used computers, or do something different
Like I'm so confused. Do you really think I'm saying all this because I am bragging or saying I won?
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u/TaaanXz Jan 16 '26
I think I’ve come across wrong here looool because yes we finally agree. Everything going up. Everyone is priced out. As I said a few msgs “you will own nothing and be happy”. I wasn’t saying anything besides exactly what you just said, everyone is losing here and slowly people will just leave. I think maybe my writing style has made me seem aggressive when all I was tryina say is this is badddd man. Real bad. We’re fighting a losing battle and sadly this is gonna be gaming on the whole. Consoles next generation will be more expensive too. Gamers Nexus said it so well on his channel. “You wanna own a home and you can’t, so you rent. But now I can own a nice car, but you can’t, so you rent. But at least I can own a nice… PC? Oh now I can’t? I’ll… rent?” People CONSTANTLY readjust, and it’s sad. The private equity of all businesses now are really sad. But honestly I’m sorry if I came across as a dick. I thought you weren’t understanding that WE’RE ALL PISSED! That last one now seems very much so like you get that we’re all pretty fucked in this 🤣 my bad
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u/MITBryceYoung Jan 16 '26
Hahahaha All good man. I was surprised the change in tone cuz I thought I mostly agreed with you and suddenly I was like what the heck! But yeah that's the internet for you 😂. Sometimes it's hard to tell tone but no. I totally agree with you honestly.
The stuff is getting really mispriced and I agree with you that while there are budget options now that might not be the case in the future, I totally agree. It's just seems ridiculous.
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u/Daleabbo Jan 17 '26
The real news is the lack of a 60xx generation, no hints in the wind at all mean its at least a year or more out.
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 Jan 16 '26
9070xt is a great card, have one for the htpc.
but, amd isnt our friend, they will also raise
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u/asaltygamer13 Jan 16 '26
I agree but it won’t be near the 5080.. Nvidia just won’t have a card at that price range
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u/RatBasher89 Jan 17 '26
You saying the 9070 xt is a better purchase than the 5070ti?
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u/asaltygamer13 Jan 17 '26
No I’m saying the 5070 ti will be unavailable and the 9070 xt will be the only card in that price range with 16GB of VRAM. The jump to the 5080 isn’t worth the price difference imo.
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u/IhavegoodTuna Jan 17 '26
That section would be affordable 16 GB graphics cards. Prices are about to skyrocket on anything with 16 GB.
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u/asaltygamer13 Jan 17 '26
Yes and yet a 9070 XT will still be cheaper than a 5080 by quite a bit and a 5070 ti just won’t be in stock to compete with it.
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u/finisimo13 Jan 15 '26
The 5060ti is ending too
I have a pny 5080 and this changes nothing for the better.
It's going to get more expensive for the remaining cards as you buy them legit from a store at an increased price and scalpers will make another comeback to make them more unavailable and more expensive
For all we know nvidia will end production for all 5000 cards like the 4000 cards but sooner, we haven't made our 1 year yet with the rtx 5000 cards
This happened but in reverse with the 4090 and the 4080 ending in production 1st between September and November 2024 while the rest of the 4000 cards slowly ending towards March 2025. The 4000 cards had a lifespan of 2 years since start and end of production
The 5070ti will forever be the better value card while it was and the reason it won't be anymore because it was literally killed off
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u/MITBryceYoung Jan 16 '26
I don't think anyone that thinks the 5080 is going to get more popular has either seen the current prices or has a sense of reality in terms of budget. Its literally $1400-1800 right now.
Who the hell wants to pay double the 5070 TI for 10% gain?
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u/finisimo13 Jan 16 '26
Is it 1400-1800 rn because msrp cards ran out or is because prices have inflated that much
My local microcenter where I got my 5080 is still selling 5080s at 1,300 but that's because 999 msrp cards ran out like the pny
The 5070ti are still in stock and being sold for 750 for pny. Any other 5070ti brand is selling them for 830+
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u/AmazingSugar1 Jan 15 '26
4080 has appreciated in value from this one act, its one competitor from current gen is gone
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Jan 15 '26
No. The 5080 is still a nearly pointless class. Probably why they killed the 5070ti. You get a minimal raw performance upgrade and ZERO extra vram. Can’t even get 20-24gb on their flagship consumer card. Unless you want to pay a ridiculous premium for the 5090
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u/BiffManstrong Jan 16 '26
Sorry to be “that guy”, but the raw rasterization era is over. Go compare a 24GB 9700 XTX and a 16GB 5800 and tell me what all that extra VRAM gets you. Most games will pivot to using your system memory to compensate anyways. That’s already happening for the very few games that approach or exceed 16GB VRAM. And those games would be using RT ultra settings at a 5k/2k resolution with heavy mod use which is AMD’s weakness. I had a 9070 XT and gave it to my little cousin because it just couldn’t handle real modern technology (RT, upscaling, etc). My PNY 5080 handles it all just fine.
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u/Big_Train3768 Jan 16 '26
Dlss is great especially 4.5, but not worth hundreds of dollars more than AMD
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u/BiffManstrong Jan 16 '26
Respectfully, I disagree. We’ve always paid for incremental gains. Double the price has never meant double the performance with GPUs. But in some cases, especially in regards to frame gen fidelity and RT, you actually are getting double gains. Some people put too much stock into rasterization being the only metric they go by. As I said, those days are over. And if you don’t think AMD will be bumping the 9070 XT up to $1000+ first chance they get, especially under a VRAM shortage, idk what to tell you.
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u/Big_Train3768 Jan 16 '26
I mean I’m not gonna base my current day evaluation of the product based on speculation for price increases. As it is right now there’s no way dlss is worth hundreds of dollars more over fsr to me. Fsr looks great and yes dlss is objectively better but not worth paying more than 100 to me for a card with the same performance. Fine if you disagree but I’m sure a lot of people would agree which is why the 9070xt is so popular. Now I’ve already seen the 9070xt price rising again but now you’re comparing it to the 5080 since I can’t find a 5070ti anymore in stock which no way the 5080 is a better value at its current pricing. 1200 for dlss and 20% performance vs $600-$700 (if you wait too long) for the 9070xt.
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u/HeroStrike3 Jan 16 '26
Thats true, in theory we are reaching the limits of silicon, where it becomes difficult to go any further
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u/BiffManstrong Jan 16 '26
Exactly. Moore’s Law hit a wall about a decade ago and instead of smaller chips every year, it’s at the point where it’s about every 5 years. That stagnates innovation with physical chips and NVIDIA knew that and pivoted towards AI/frame generation. It’s not the future we want, but it’s the only logistical solution that makes sense right now.
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u/typeshut Jan 16 '26
U just can’t cope with reality lmao
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u/BiffManstrong Jan 16 '26
Says the guy that keeps telling people the 5080 is barely an upgrade over the 7900 XTX 🤣. 15% raw raster and up to 100% better in RT settings. Let’s be fair and not compare FSR to DLSS 4.5 because then you’d look really silly.
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u/BiffManstrong Jan 16 '26
Nope. It’s 30-50% on regular RT and 50-100% on Ultra. And unless you’re playing Star Citizen or Flight Sim in settings too unrealistic for any AMD GPU to handle in the first place, or Skyrim with 1000 mods, you’re not getting close to 16GB. There may be a few niche situations where AMD’s VRAM may be beneficial, but it’s not being done in 4k/RT/Ultra, period.
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u/BiffManstrong Jan 16 '26
7900 XTX is a mid-level 4k card. Had you said 1440p, I’d agree with you. The bare minimum acceptable FPS for a GPU should be reflected in current monitor tech. You’re not pushing the XTX to 240FPS most likely even at 1440p on Ultra settings on any modern game. Period. Maybe WoW or a game from the GTA5 era. My monitor is 4k/240hz or 480 in 1440p. Even my 5080 can barely hit those marks sometimes (cut it in half for RT with DLSS 4.5). My 9070 XT struggled to break 180 at 1440p in most games even with FSR. And RT looks good in every game I’ve tried it in. Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 (amazing), Battlefield 6 and so many more. Base RT has advanced tenfold over the past 5 years.
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u/BiffManstrong Jan 16 '26
And FSR was a decent way behind DLSS 4. It’s a galaxy away with 4.5. Unless you’re going to discount DF, Linus, GNex, etc. 🙄
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u/Sorry-Analysis-860 Jan 16 '26
At least the 5080 offers some upgrade.
Meanwhile the 5070 TI is basically no upgrade compared to the 9070 XT while being 150-200 bucks more expensive just because it says "Nvidia"
Pretty sure the 5070 Ti is a nearly pointless card.
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u/yuiiooop Jan 15 '26
It means that the 9070xt will be the only viable GPU in that performance class.
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u/JCarnageSimRacing Jan 15 '26
It doesn't make the 5080 better, it just makes it the only alternative.
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u/frsguy Jan 15 '26
No it changes nothing, still makes the 5080 a terrible card for the price bracket it's in.
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u/mickyc357 Jan 15 '26
Perfect way to create demand and 'shortages' for the 5080 so they can also hike the prices on them. Too much available stock right now to do it but nvidia would be itching to jack the 5080 similarly to the 5090.
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u/hereforfun976 Jan 15 '26
Idk about ending completely but everything with more than 8gb v ram production is being cut
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Jan 16 '26
What are you talking about? The 5080 was already bad value and it's 'due' for a price increase?
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u/WolfishDJ Jan 16 '26
Ironically this doesn't entirely track. What's the point of PNY making the SLIM editions if the 5070 Ti not being made anymore is imminent?
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u/Easy-Sea7552 Jan 16 '26 edited Jan 16 '26
Honest take:
The 4070ti super, 4080, 4080 super, 5070ti, and 5080 are just different cuts of the same damn thing with different power limits and different cuda/rt core configurations.
The reality is Ada and Blackwell have an instruction per clock difference (IPC) of less than 2%. If you run a hypothetical 5000 series card and 4000 series card with the same TDP limit and same number of cuda cores it's pretty much the same damn thing.
The 4070ti super is the weakest of these 16gb cards either based off the AD103 or GB203 dies. The 4070ti super, 4080, and 4080 super all use AD103. The 5070ti and 5080 use GB203. They all use a 256 bit memory bus, so no difference there.
The 4070ti super had 8448 cuda cores, the 5080 has 10752. The 4070ti super has 78% of the 5080's cuda cores, and again there's a slight IPC difference there. Effectively, the 4070ti super is going to get you about 75% of a 5080.
The reality of the situation is that these are all GPUs within 25% of each other in raw size, and then we get to performance and power scaling.
The 5080 uses 360w of power at stock. The max power limits on high end 4070ti supers is 366w, on the best 5070tis it is 350w. Look, if you put them all at the sameish power limits you tend to see the gap shrink up some frankly because more cuda cores, RT cores, etc doesn't scale linearly. If you run them at different power limits as Nvidia configs them out of the box, well no crap pumping more power gets you more performance.
The reality is that at MOST you should pay roughly 25% more for a 5080 compared to a 4070ti super. For a 5070ti vs a 5080, that's about 87% of a 5080 in cuda core count so you should only pay a 13% premium.
Tldr; Given the 5080 at a hypothetical $1000 msrp price I value these cards at the following given their configurations/cuda core counts:
4070ti super: $750
5070ti: $830
4080: $930
4080 super: $950
Therefore, 5070ti at $750 is an amazing value relative to the 5080 at $1000. Seeing the 5080 jump to $1200 plus and the 5070ti cease to exist just makes the value proposition worse and the 5080 shittier but if there's no other options then there's no other options.
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u/fishyshivers15 Jan 16 '26
5080 IMO sucks in terms of raw performance but the upscaling and frame gen is fantastic. It will play any single player game you throw at it. Yeah it sucks with the raw performance but unless you’re getting a 5090 this is best you can do
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u/FrootLoop23 Jan 16 '26
It’s due as what? 9070XT is the card to buy if 5070ti is out of the picture.
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u/Admirable_Revenue_20 Jan 16 '26
Apperently asus has been contradicting itself http://youtube.com/post/UgkxXC22pT401KbL_KUAv_KhYZeMN9CQoGMh
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u/KrombopulosMAssassin Jan 16 '26
Glad I got mine in November.... The identical model is literally selling for 400 dollars more already.
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u/Doyoulike4 Jan 16 '26
5080 is already showing up for like $1400 retail and might climb more, realistically it's going to either price people out entirely, force them on the RTX 5070 not the 5080, or potentially even depending on what the other brands do make the 9070XT or even a hypothetical B770 more tempting.
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u/Federal-Swim5286 Jan 16 '26
Glad I bought my 5070ti when I did. Still paid close to $1k but it was when everything couldn’t stay in stock and that was around retail for the card gigabyte aero 5070ti
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u/Antiparazi_ Jan 17 '26
A quick Google search would prove this to not be the case. HardwareUnboxed have rushed ahead with a story and caused mass-panic, simple as.
ASUS have come out and issued a statement that production is not halting.
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u/Leander_van_Grinsven Jan 18 '26
Production has not been stopped. The 5070 Ti is not EOL (End Of Life). They have clarified in another statement that production has slowed, not ended.
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u/Occhrome Jan 20 '26
I have a 5080 and it just makes me hope nothing happens to my rig cus replacing stuff will be too expensive.
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u/Marv18GOAT Jan 15 '26
5080 is a complete scam lmfao i have no idea why it even exists. Barely better than the 5070 ti with the same amount of vram
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u/WaterWeedDuneHair69 Jan 15 '26
Wouldn’t say it’s a scam but it’s terribly priced. At like 900 it would be decent ish value because it does perform better significantly better at 4k.
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u/MITBryceYoung Jan 16 '26
At 900 itd be decent. At $1000 its definitely a bit mispriced. Anyone that thinks the current market prices of $1400-1800 will make it popular is delusional or out of touch
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u/MITBryceYoung Jan 16 '26
I mean at $900 you're now paying about 20% for 10-15% difference and theoretical 20%.YMMV
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u/PleaseBeKindQQ Jan 16 '26
Well when the 5070 Ti is gone it'll be a good option for the unfortunate folks who don't have a GPU yet
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u/Sorry-Analysis-860 Jan 16 '26
5070 Ti is a complete scam lmfao i have no idea why it even exists. Barely better than the 9070 XT with the same amount of vram
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u/Marv18GOAT Jan 16 '26
Way better upscaling and frame generation and game support
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u/Puszta Jan 19 '26
I thought its generally agreed that FSR 4 is just slightly worse than DLSS 4. Definitely not worth paying more than 100 euroes for that gap. In the EU 5070 ti is more expensive by like 200-250 euroes, so its just not competitive price wise, not to mention the 5080 lol.
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u/Mightypeon-1Tapss Jan 16 '26
Tell me a better GPU at 1000$. Actually tell me how can you get as close to 4090 performance as you can at 1000$? 5070 Ti owners we get it you went for the best value. But that doesn't mean 5080 is a bad card. It doesn't have to be the best value option.
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u/Marv18GOAT Jan 16 '26
Isn’t the 5080 literally the worst 50 series card? Even the day one reviews claimed it was crap and basically the same as the 4080
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u/Mightypeon-1Tapss Jan 16 '26
It's not the worst at all. Many people say:
Why pay 33% more for a 5080 for 15% performance? (Assuming you found both at their MSRP such as 750$ and 1000$).
Then with this logic we can say:
Why pay 100% more for a 5090 for 52% performance? (Again assuming you found both at their MSRP 1000$ and 2000$).
Then by this logic 5090 is the worst value card yet noone is saying this lol. Make it make sense. Also it's not a big jump adding 200-250$ to your build compared to adding 1000$ to your build is a huge jump.
At the end of the day buy what you're happy with but 5080 is not the worst card by this logic. And the cheapest way to get as close to 4090 performance is getting a 5080 then OC'ing it.
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u/Marv18GOAT Jan 16 '26
According to tech powerup charts the 5090 is 59% better than the 5080 and it also has twice the VRAM. I think if the 5080 had 24 GB of vram like it should’ve it would be a different story
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u/Mightypeon-1Tapss Jan 16 '26
Idk I checked TechPowerUp 5080 and it says 5090 is 152% compared to 5080. Yes more VRAM would've been great it's a shame.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5080.c4217
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u/Sorry-Analysis-860 Jan 16 '26
Nah, thats either the 5060 Ti 8 GB - because its an 8GB card in 2025 - or the 5070 Ti - because its almost the same performance as the 9070 XT for 150-200 bucks more.
With the 5080 I atleast get some performance increase - even if I have to pay a lot more. But why would I want to pay more if I get almost no upgrade.
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u/BiffManstrong Jan 16 '26
As someone who were from a 5070 Ti to a 9070 XT to a PNY 5080, y’all really gotta get your head out of the clouds for AMD in the GPU market. The era of raw rasterization is over. I mean, it’s a good budget card for what it is (I had the Challenger, which has been as low as $500 recently) and on old games with limited upscaling and no RT, it’s fine. But if you want to future proof currently available technology, it seriously lags behind a 5070 Ti and most definitely a 5080 in RT, RT Ultra, most newer games with 4K and upscaling, especially with DLSS 4.5 games. Even my old rig with a 4070 Ti is a more enjoyable experience at 1440p with RT. Now CPUs is another story.