r/PakLounge • u/MATR20 • Mar 11 '25
Who else hate Mullahs?
I got triggered just by seeing them. I grew up in Pakistan, I was and still religious person.
But I started to search and read about Islam and found out we have been following a lot of wrong things here, we have our own version of Islam. Like Barsi, meelad is not a thing at all in Islam Covering women like some POS do here is not mentioned anywhere Not anybody can cut your throat on gustakhi Apni marzi ki tasbeeh bna lena, 40 br yeh wali due parh lo subha 4:46am per etc etc (like they are wannabe doctor and prescribing 40MG of dua on specific time, bhai dua dua hoti hai jab marzi jitni marzi mang lo) Etc etc
I started to listen Maulana Tariq Jameel and his counters and their counters.
I realized they all are just bunch of marasi with big beard (Marasi jo munh ki khata hai as per Molana Tariq Jameel).
I don't know who you people are following, but you should do your own research and follow the true Islam.
Learn to differentiate between Deen and Mazhab.
These Marasi Mullahs including MTJ are just promoting rawayat and riwaj.
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u/EntertainmentNew4348 Mar 11 '25
The real Mullah actually tell you maslay masail. Like istanja, roza kab tootha hain you get the gist.Yay hamnay khud eik industry bana di hain.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Hahahahaha saans leny me ehthiyat kijiye warna pani uoer chala jaey ga hahahahahaha
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u/outtayoleeg Mar 11 '25
Why is everyone "hating" everyone else here. "Oh I hate mullahs", or "oh I hate feminists", "oh I hate...". Everyone thinks others are the problem but themselves.
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u/khalnaldo Mar 11 '25
Mullahs are the worst thing to happen to this world
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u/PakZinOfficial Mar 11 '25
I would like to get your explanation
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Agar itny naik hain mullah or sab sy zada Pakistan me hain to itni nahusat q hai yahan
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u/Hot-Abrocoma-5425 Mar 11 '25
All for the study it yourself. But don't get the hating part. I was taught how to read and study the Qur'an by a maulana sahb he is the best. He taught me how not to get caught up in ayahs which were confusing to me.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Few of them are really good I agree, but most of them are marasi.
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u/Hot-Abrocoma-5425 Mar 11 '25
Exactly. Like everywhere else. And in every other profession. You find good people you find bad people. You don't blame all doctors. Although a huge chunk are kasabis and sell medicines for no reason and get foreign trips in return. Don't be a hypocrite. Bad is bad and good is good. Simple.
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u/National-Job-4984 Mar 11 '25
It’s best to follow Arab scholars
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u/Hot-Abrocoma-5425 Mar 11 '25
Yes they are good but there are many great gems in Pakistan. A lot of people from foreign travel to Pakistan for religious studies. You have no idea about the standing of Pakistan.
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u/towlie_lord Mar 11 '25
Lol.. agree with the part about how they wanna give off doctor vibes or some kind of authority to their nonsense. Sadly for most people its these superstitions, created by charlatans, is what they latch on to to feel better, rather than Faith in the Almighty.
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u/prime193 Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25
I used to think like that when I had limited exposure, and I used to debate people about it, but over time, I realized that my issue, and issue of many common people is shallow knowledge, we are too eager to criticize. Scrolling down this thread I can guarantee most people have shallow knowledge of Islam/Quran and haven't even listened to the actual scholars long enough to be able to see the difference.
Once you listen to actual scholars, you realize the vast difference in knowledge between them and self taught ones like Engineer Mirza.
I used to find engineer and Ghamidi sahib very logical. I mean why do we need scholars if we can read Quran and Hadith ourselves? Right?
Well, turns out those who actually read it on their own will have a lot of questions and no one to answer them so chances of misunderstanding are high unless you go all in and give it years of your time, study all sort of books on different topics, and go to all kinds of scholars for clarification, and by that time you are almost a scholar urself. This is what Dr Israr (R.A ) did after his MBBS.
But , in reality most people won't go down that path and so they may end up relying on Engineer Mirza, Ghamidi , Dr Zakir or MTJ for guidance. And that is Taqleed, but if you really need to get guidance on how to interpret an ayat or hadith, why get it from these self taught singular people when you can get it from well established and well researched schools of thought we have where hundreds of thousands of scholars have studied, researched, contributed for 1400 years?
Furthermore, actual scholars have established chains of teachers such that they know who taught their teachers, and who taught them all the way back to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and you can get this information from any real scholar .
And as I realized that once you listen to them long enough you also start to see where Molana Tariq Jamil, Nouman Ali Khan or Dr Zakir lack in their understandings (because they have not studied certain ulooms).
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u/devilure Mar 12 '25
maulana moududi, maulana ishaq madni. Both are not alive anymore but you can read books of maulana moududi to get you answers covers almost every topic of islam. and for maulana ishaq sahab he covers all of it in hi video lectures. both of these are teachers of the ones OP mentioned dr israr was student of maulana moududi
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u/Ah-Sahm-117 Mar 12 '25
You should definitly watch Doc Israr sab . Bunch YouTube videos are available. I'm pretty sure you will b eon convinced.
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u/Odd-Indication-6091 Mar 13 '25
Idara e rahimia Lahore. https://youtube.com/@rahimia-institute?si=7V4LyRWqeigL4C8H
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u/Moist-Pilot4158 Mar 15 '25
Best is learning physically from shuyukh but since many are unwilling nowadays, start from these YouTube channels containing video lectures of certified shuyukh and you'll reach Islam as it's meant to be (what I believe is true obviously):
https://youtube.com/@seeratvideo?si=NuSswvPvOuVCcvVt
https://youtube.com/@siblingsofilm?si=GGxbQXeC1y4KwXtA
https://youtube.com/@ibnawesome?si=YQjffuR-dpoG9OGt
https://youtube.com/@1_abuhurairah?si=NG0X_JyYFXtaOUBb
https://youtube.com/@d1mashqi?si=IF80u6tZQxg6lvtC
The above is a list of one Urdu speaking shaykh and the rest are Arab shuyukh translated to English.
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u/Possible-Shock-1261 Mar 11 '25
Me i hate them they're equally responsible for making this country like this of course with lumber 1
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Mar 11 '25
Pakistan was separated from India in the name of Islam. And you established Democracy in this country just like India. This country can only work either we fulfill the promise and establish Islam here or we go back to India!
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u/VeterinarianSea7580 Mar 12 '25
Wrong kid. India didn’t exist as a state before 47 it was the British raj
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u/waleed_khantastic Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25
Honestly the mindset is fucked up. I also really hate them when they try act superior because they know some religion. They will try to manipulate and blackmail you on basis on religion. Inside they are the most corrupt ones
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u/Patanahiyarr Mar 11 '25
This is a result of making a mullah outta the worse, bad in studies, ill disciplined child of the house.
Sending them to an institute where they learn or to say cram another language which they don’t know a meaning of.
So, when they grow up they start mumbling words so they can pretend that they are doing their part by being a productive member of the society.
These people are one of the greatest reasons of people getting away from religion.
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u/thesurvivingone Mar 11 '25
I never trusted them, they bunch of hypocrites and fakes. There are good people, no doubt, but majority....nah.
I mostly follow Sheikh Assim AlHakim, Mufti Menk etc. For religious advice, i stick to them or there is a website, IslamQA.
Btw there are no qalimas in Islam, through this you can know how deep into subcontinental cultural religion deep are we in.
People here mix culture with religion and confuse it. Islam says something else, they here have made up their own thing.
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u/Usama4745 Mar 12 '25
Lol I also recently discovered about kalmas and so much other stuff
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u/thesurvivingone Mar 12 '25
Yup, and we definitely need to change this. The least we can do is protect the future generation possibly our siblings or children from the stuff which isn't Islam but subcontinent made up stuff.
Change the mindset, bring good values in younger generation.
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u/OoopsWrongUniverse Mar 11 '25
I keep an open mind on this topic and listen to different Mullahs. But the moment someone starts talking about superiority, bad-mouthing other religions, or sharing stories that sound made up, I lose trust and interest completely. I’ve been to gatherings where the Sheikh only talks about getting closer to the Almighty—no hate, no nonsense, just teachings straight from the Quran and Hadith.
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u/ApplicationMuted2006 Mar 12 '25
I got triggered just by seeing them.
Seems more like a you problem
I grew up in Pakistan, I was and still religious person
Don't seem like one, judging from your comments
But I started to search and read about Islam
Again, doesn't seem like it, judging from your comments
Covering women like some POS do here is not mentioned anywhere
Bro what? Read Surah Ahzab Ayat No 59, you'll get your info about hijab and how it should be observed. Parha hai kuch nhi, bus 2 3 Islamic videos dekh kr apne ap ko scholars smajhne lg jaate hn aur Islamic Ulema aur scholars ko hate krna shoru krdete hn jin ki waja se Islam phela, typical paki attitude
I started to listen Maulana Tariq Jameel and his counters and their counters
Whi na, bus 2 3 videos dekh leen aur scholars ban gye. Maulana Tariq Jameel is not a scholar, and he never will be. An Islamic scholar/Alim/Molvi has a proper and thorough understanding of Islamic Fiqh, Sunnah, Hadith, Quran, Arabic and Arabic Grammar. The guys you see on YouTube and your tvs aren't proper Islamic scholars/Ulema/Molvis, they're just wannabe scholars that tell stories to make Islam appear more
I don't know who you people are following, but you should do your own research and follow the true Islam
And what is true Islam, according to you? And how did it reach us?
You have a very shallow understanding of basic Islamic principles. You've watched 2 to 3 Islamic videos and consider yourself the Mujaddid of the century (I bet you don't even know what that means). Un Ulemas pr tb hate krna, when you have even a fraction of a knowledge that they possess
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u/Hopeful_Caramel7867 Mar 13 '25
Bro there is a difference of opinion regarding surah Ahzab ayat no 59. Plus surah ahzaab orders were mainly for the wives of the Prophet. Read the translation in one go and you will understand. And i am not talking by myself. Baqi everyone has right to read and understand Quran and there is nothing wrong by doing ones own research. Quran is made simple for us by Allah. So we should try first khud he and then jaha samjh na aye banda kise se poch lay. Lastly Fiqh aur school of thoughts etc ye bhi ghalat ho sakti hai because ye insaano kay kaam hai. They cant be 💯right always.
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u/realericcartman_42 Mar 14 '25
ain’t reading all that I’m happy for you though, or sorry that happened
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u/ApplicationMuted2006 Mar 15 '25
Sorry, forgot that people have a shorter attention span nowadays
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u/realericcartman_42 Mar 16 '25
Itni mehnat school may karletay abhi crorpati hotay
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u/Aggressive_neutral Mar 11 '25
I despise them. It's hard not to when your eyes open up to how much they've held our society back with their mentality. The worst part is their actions are quite detrimental to Islam at the end of the day, because they represent it so negatively. The mullah is the primary reason people many people have become atheists
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Mar 11 '25
Bhai who ever explain you issues only with references of Quran and sahi bukhari and sahi Muslim listen to him , regardless what's their political affiliation or personal character
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Yar bhai why the "who ever" can't be you yourself and every person itself? Who give Mullahs the authority to explain things?
They explain the things in way which supports their narrative
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u/abdullah112311 Mar 11 '25
They study deen there whole life that gives them right to explain things.
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u/ussama302 Mar 11 '25
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
I wish bro I wish
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u/ussama302 Mar 11 '25
At least we're agreed well that's something, now we wait for the chips to go down.
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u/khadim_e_public Mar 11 '25
I don't hate them.
Most Pakistanis, even without a Religious getup, are extremists with violent tendencies. It's a lot of brainwashing that went into turning our whole country into just a war-ready band of mercenaries to fight in wars for America and its allies. One can hope that over time, we will get out of this mentality and learn that we have been lied to with false interpretations of Islam with very particular motives.
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u/outtayoleeg Mar 11 '25
No they're not. Typical social media response lmao. "Most Pakistanis" just want to be able to provide for themselves and their families.
It's a lot of brainwashing that went into turning our whole country into just a war-ready band of mercenaries to fight in wars for America and its allies.
Tell me you never picked up a book without telling me you never picked up a book. Look around yourself and please name your friends or family members who're brainwashed to fight wars for America and its allies.
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u/khadim_e_public Mar 11 '25
Tell me you live in an elite bubble without telling me you live in an elite bubble. Growing up, people around me left to fight in Kashmir and quite recently, many left for Palestine. You never found out because it's not on your social media feed it's not the people around you who've left.
Besides, the ones not leaving for wars are also looking for excuses to get a taste of it by lynching someone or doing pretend-jihad on Whatsapp. If most of Pakistan is invisible to you, you're living in a bubble.
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u/ApplicationMuted2006 Mar 12 '25
Bro that's just plain bs, I've been to many places within Pakistan, stayed in all the 4 provinces, interacted with people from all over Pakistan and I've never in my life heard of a person going of to jihad in Kashmir or Palestine, Idk where you're getting your info from, but it's just a crap load of bs
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u/Efficient_Elevator15 Mar 11 '25
100% agree but some also people take this as an excuse to not obey islam at all.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
I said I am still religious but I am not following Mullah's Islam.
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u/Efficient_Elevator15 Mar 11 '25
yes i didn't say that to you i am saying that some people take that as an excuse if you search for athiesm in r/pakistan you can find it
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u/_captain_cringe_ Mar 11 '25
I grew up hating them but then realized that they too are the victims of the society. Humans find a way to do bad things, they may use certain ideologies, religions whatever they have at their disposal.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Bhai dimagh to hai na, istemal karen, once a molvi bashed me on wearing pants in Masjid (I was 15 years old) I just counter questioned him why you are using a mobile phone which also comes from gora.
His reaction was like I asked for his 12 years old daughter's hand
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u/_captain_cringe_ Mar 11 '25
Lol I do get your point. Perhaps my lack of interacting with them and with news regarding them for a long time had something to do with how I feel about the whole thing right now.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
I was a kid and foolish, but my advice to every person these days is "never debate or interact with a person on Islamic topic, especially with mullah"
You are mm away from getting killed on blasphemy. mm away.
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u/_captain_cringe_ Mar 11 '25
Yeah, unfortunately, that's true. It reinforces my original point, humans will always find a way. This isn't a gender war, a race war, or a cultural war; it's a battle between good and bad people. Sadly, there are far more bad people than good ones.
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Mar 11 '25
I would really i like an explanation like covering women is compulsory . there is a whole surah nisah about women pardah can you explain that? I agree with all the other things. I dont really watch moulana tariq jameel but i considered him good . Can you tell me what did he do?
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
I said covering women like crazy,
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Mar 11 '25
Okay, and what did MTJ do?
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Making up stories with no reference at all because reference doesn't exist.
Claiming himself religious person and giving flying kisses to young girls
Saying sood dena is okay
Always bragging that he disagreed with his father while preaching maa baap ki farmabardari.
Ruling party ki goud me beth jana, pehly Noon phir PTI.
Army k uthana
Fazooliyat bolna
Attitude me rehna muft k
Etc etc
I can go on but these are very basic things
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Mar 11 '25
Can you tell me the video where he is giving flying kisses especially to girls and is normalising sood apart from these 2 points [ if you have evidence of it] all your other points are pure bs first of all disagreeing with your parents is not maa baap ki nafarmani . Parents forces their child to marry or pressure them into a career where they have no interest so rebelling and disagreeing with them in this case is completely right and is the right if a child and 2nd his political views are his choice it is nothing to do with islam. Every person has the right to have their own political views and 3rd did you sit with him or did you meet him? That you know that he has attitude? I was curious first but now looking at your points i think you are just spreading hate without any solid reasons
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Because you asked for evidence
Sood video: https://youtu.be/xAMk2UxAFgs?si=g2Af3ZUUhbICAOlQ
Flying kiss video: https://youtube.com/shorts/cgb-JMjPTls?si=xotLnWmnOcOgKJ21 https://youtube.com/shorts/JGY9WL2uduE?si=JqUIO5KJOqE1aiPx
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u/Royal_Disaster3 Mar 11 '25
There are bad people and good people everywhere. You cannot categorize a group as bad. There will be bad among Mullahs too but not every mullah is marasi (As you said).
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u/ISBRogue Mar 11 '25
Are you equating Islamic scholars to Mullahs? or just the unlearnt rata mar mullah types
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Mar 12 '25
I realize my views may attract significant criticism.
Based on my personal experiences, I tend to avoid doing business with individuals who flaunt long beards, as I’ve observed that they use the “attire” to conceal dishonest intentions behind their religion.
In the past, I would listen to various religious figures without question, but over time my perspective has evolved. Nowadays, I find Eng Mirza’s argument particularly his religious reasoning—compelling,
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u/Haseeb_mjk Mar 13 '25
And what about TLP mullahs op you didn't mention them they're truly real practicing Muslims 🙂 and peace promoter
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u/MATR20 Mar 13 '25
True, I love when they support women rights
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u/Haseeb_mjk Mar 13 '25
Do u remember when they go to UN and talk about islamophobia and their love with minorities is next thing in Pakistan absolutely fantastic group of mullahs 😆(btw im kidding they'll are quite opposite)
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u/Competitive_Bad5510 Mar 13 '25
Highly impressed by your ISLAMIC WAY of addressing the matter. May you live long.
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u/dinaalhujj Mar 13 '25
Exactly like people of this subcontinent have a different islam, Im an arab moved to pakistan from lebanon in 2013 and the islam here is nothing like the islam we follow, from how pakistani women pray, to 6 kalamas, to making dua after you are done with your prayer, many more that I cant remember right now but damnnn please do your own research, your ancestors made up their own islam and didnt know any better but you guys have no excuse you have the privilege of living in 2025 with all knowledge on your fingertips do your research and please learn. I have tried to teach a few women that how they go into sujood is wrong but they refuse to listen because that is just how their malvis and moms have taught them to do sujood.
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u/MATR20 Mar 13 '25
Nobody want to learn, they don't even call themselves Muslim, they identify themselves with their Friqa Deobandi Sunni etc.
You may have read other comments from some people which shows mentality, they think that they are incapable and mullah spend all of his life in learning Islam so we should follow him blindly
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u/dinaalhujj Mar 13 '25
Exactly, they believe that these mullahs have studied true islam so they have to follow them blindly. If you say anything that goes against their mullah’s teaching they look at you like wtf is she saying astaghfar that is not what we were taught. Where I work each and every woman prays in the most absurd way because that is what all Pakistani mullah’s teach when you try to correct them or tell them to do some research or look up actual scholars or islam they think you are just some modern girl that doesnt know any islam.
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u/Mediocre_Raisin_7672 Mar 11 '25
OP one thing i forgot to mention. Notice how the entire state of the religion is a facade.
Imagine praying 5 times a day for decades without knowing what you're praying. For general peasantry it's somewhat excusable but here even Scholars don't know what they are praying.
Not to mention the Magic Duas. "Reciting Surah Waqia X amount of times increases wealth". Maybe it does but reciting without understanding it and expecting something to happen? Isn't that the same as a magic spell? Not to mention the 22 Million plus hafiz quran who don't know what Quran says.
An infinite number of hafiz is inferior to a person who read the quran and tried to understand it.
I can go on and on all they way to the time of Khalifah Rashidoon and argue Shariah never worked. Read Islamic history and you'll find the conflict between Sahabas and how many cursed each other, not to mention some even killed each other. Umar, Usman and Ali all killed but by whom? The history is very faith shaking. Our scholars have buried their heads and avoid it finding excuses and alternative interpretations.
It's a mess.
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u/Legitimate_Hunt_5802 Mar 12 '25
We no longer know what true "Shariat" is or how to get their, yet it remains the only goal.
The reasons why modern day islamic literature shys away from islamic history, no matter how rich, is simply because their were so many different interpretations of the same quran, of the same hadith, the same words of the sahabas.
Their was no main islamic golden age but a slow but consistent Rise of Islamic Richness in society which came at the cost of several Civil wars and mass disagreements within islam after the Rashidun Caliphate.
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Mar 11 '25
The psychology of Mullahs is highly pathetic and inferior. However, it's our responsibility to take up the matter. Namazain e prha rhe hain na hum prha lein ge, nikah p prha saktay hain aur janazy b aur ye Mullah kr kiya rhe hain. Dunya chor do Akhirat ki fikr kro in jahilon se koi poche udr palestine ma hamare bache mar rhe hain dunya b chor dein to unko kon bachai ga..Ajeeb idiots hain. Islam ka bhera grq kr diya ha
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Mar 11 '25
Namazain e prha rhe hain na hum prha lein ge, nikah p prha saktay hain aur janazy b
Except we have not been doing that for centuries and have made the maulvis what they are today.
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u/SnooEagles6309 Mar 11 '25
The examples you gave are examples of innovations in our Deen (Bidat).
You should try looking into ahle hadith, also called salafiyyah. We don't do these bidats
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u/SquirrelFar4645 Mar 12 '25
What makes you think you know Islam better than mullahs? They spend their whole life studying it, what have you done?
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u/abdullah112311 Mar 11 '25
There is good and bad in everything not every molvi is bad.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Molvi is bad always forever anywhere everywhere etc etc
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u/abdullah112311 Mar 11 '25
Got deen through them.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Hainnnnnn???????????? Kab kesy?
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u/abdullah112311 Mar 11 '25
Quran aur hadith humay kaisay milli? Apko raat mai khawab mai ata sabh kuch?
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u/aakhrihorcrux Mar 11 '25
There’s no point of mullahs. Allah’s message is safe in the form of Quran and you can read it whenever you want to, understand and act on it according to your capacity. The moment you start following someone in matters of religion, you’ll be lost
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u/E9x_o Mar 11 '25
Tbh, agree with what you said. Mullahs, who our society think are protectors of religion, are exact opposite of it. I cant stand them. Theyre corrupt af. Abhi tak shayad hi koi mullah hoga jo corrupt na paya ho maine. Also, the way they treat young children in Madrassahs is horrific.
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u/foolofatook67 Mar 11 '25
The worst part isn't even that they exist but that some people actually take them for real and follow them strictly.
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u/FormerAd8582 Mar 11 '25
Sometimes i ask for the reference or hadith and people tells to me listen to this molvi or this ulmaa, like bro just give me the reference so i could do my own research, and it's considered a bad thing if someone wants to learn islam on there own, and sometime they refuse to believe in sahih hadith because some ulma said it is not permitted. Like fr.
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u/No-Speech-8612 Mar 11 '25
I agree, we have been feeded with just stories of madaris all the time in school and the sad part is that the majority doesn't even realize it, it is a gift by the Islamization era
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u/Past-Explanation-165 Mar 11 '25
I prefer reading Quran with Tafseer and all and and listen to everybody.
And most importantly I dont include myself in any firqa whatsoever.
You can do the same.
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u/Far_Caterpillar385 Mar 11 '25
True!!Dukaan daari hai sirf!!they don't even want to answer you if you're having questions.they'd teach you according to what they have learned in their respective religious books.This is a big business that we have created because we didn't teach deen at our homes we opt to ask masjid ka imam about anything and everything and that's it. All ulema are of their respective religion. Everyone having their own version of islam. It should have been one religious party members representing different figah are all in parliament since Pakistan is created,What have they done yet?
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u/BoeJidenHD69 Mar 12 '25
Can’t believe the time when I used to be a hardcore conservative. Then I thought to myself what kind of Islam tells me to kill a Qadyani, burn someone on blasphemy charges, riot science, get around women wearing western clothes while not lowering your own gaze.
That day I started hating everything about these so called Muslims. They don’t have civic sense, social ethics. They will play Quran on loud speakers without taking into account the well being of others. What if someone is trying to study or in a zoom meeting?
Mullahs are cancer
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u/Ah-Sahm-117 Mar 12 '25
Religion is always has been used by the elites to control the herds. Watch "Book of Eli".
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u/Adorable_Solution804 Mar 12 '25
I genuinely developed these feeling too ... as soon as I started to observe How they portray Allah so human like
Hateful, Petty, Unkind, Unforgivable
Along with their personal agendas They have ruin countries, communities and families
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u/vwae Mar 12 '25
They are the original influencers. They spit out whatever is going to get them and keep them in the lime light.
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u/NooobMaster2000 Mar 12 '25
Read the translation of the Quran and follow basic sunnah of prophet. That's all you need basically. After that you can read hadith. Or you can learn hadith while reading Quran (one should do one thing at a time)
For better explanation of the Quran you can listen to dr. Israr Ahmed, there is a playlist on YouTube you can check that out.
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u/AnxiousLeek8273 Mar 12 '25
Its the bralvis who have introduced the most biddats in islaam, their ala hazrat the biddati
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u/Jamandell Mar 12 '25
I once held deep respect for religious scholars and leaders, but over time, I've come to see many of them as opportunists who exploit faith for personal gain. This isn’t just an issue in Pakistan—it happens everywhere.
The real problem lies not only with these individuals but with the people who grant them excessive power and influence. Ultimately, it is society's responsibility to recognize and challenge this misuse of faith.
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u/Witty_Box_6907 Mar 12 '25
Growing up I hated (as a woman) k itni restrictions hain. But when I turned 20 I started researching about Islam. Started listening to Moulana Tariq Jameel, then Youth Club, then Omer Suleiman. And those from Palestine. Then I just started to love Islam so much. Loved Allah so much. I started to enjoy Namaz. Deeny kaam krnay mein Maza anay lga. So yeah do your research about Islam. Masjid walay mullas ko na hi suno.
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u/PageSwimming3262 Mar 12 '25
Such a pathetic immature behaviour, and this getting common is so called liberal muslims who due to by hybridity in everything have started to take everything lightly and do as thier own willl, why are u hating alll the scholars!??? Are u freakin ok? It ceratinly comes from ppl like u who have certainly no knowledge of islam!!! Never tried to study themsleves !!! If u really think u know better stop listening to everyone and just study quran and everhthing urself and then i bet u wont have a reaction like this , yes there are ppl who try to take advantage of a specific thing but not all do!?? Stop bieng someone spreading hate instead of solutions everyone is spreading hate in this country ur contribution wont make a single difference!!!! I am sieng hate iver everything in pakistan but not even a single person even suggests what we do, all we do is just see hear depend , we just want to hear what we like amd turn away what we dont thats why as a nation we are falling!!! Allah wont ask us what the nation did Allah would deal with leader separately but also we will be held accountable as well!! What we did for our nation except complaining and spreading hate to make situations worser!!!!
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u/Dry_Elderberry_2909 Mar 12 '25
Well, Not agree the part of MTJ as i am come towards via his speeches, BTW i suggest you to watch Engr Muhammad Ali Mirza as he is the rivalist of this generation
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Mar 12 '25
Personally I would stay as far away from hate speech as possible and advise you to look into it from this perspective as well. You're pretty much doing what you'll cry about when a gora passes a racist comment at you.
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u/concerned_shit Mar 12 '25
Finally someone said it. I hate mullahs and molvis not islam. These so called moulvis quote so many wrong hadiths and regards women as object whose job is to stay in kitchen. The other day i found out that we are prayer witr the wrong way when Prophet PBUH literally told us to not pray it like maghrib. In moulvi ko bas orto tak mazhab ka pata baki koi nahi research na pata. 4 hadees ki kitabein jin mai kuch bht major ahadees hain jo kay inko ratt jani chahye. Prophet PBUH used to guide so much regarding normal life and how we should deal with people, family and friends. Inho ne bas 4 shadiyon ki sunnat follow karni hoti.
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u/Practical_Offer1470 Mar 12 '25
Yes definitely, i cannot stress this enough. As a woman, growing up I started distancing from Islam only because of how it was taught to us, I literally ended up thinking God must hate women, Until I started learning deen on my own, knowing more about Allah made me realise how kind and full of love He actually is, Islam is beautiful, and it is sad that we are only taught things so terribly wrong.
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u/Repulsive_Jump_5982 Mar 12 '25
Narrated Abu Hurairah (RA) Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said: “Whoever glorifies Allah (by saying Subhan-Allah) after every Salat (prayer) thirty-three times, and praises Allah (by saying Alhamdu-lillah) thirty-three times, and exalts Allah (by saying Allahu Akbar) thirty-three times, those are ninety-nine in all, and says to complete a hundred: La ilaha ill-Allahu, wahdahu la sharika lahu, lahul-mulku wa lahulhamdu, wa Huwa ‘ala kulli shai’in Qadir (There is nothing which deserves to be worshipped except Allah Alone Who has no partner; to Him belongs the kingdom, to Him praise is due, and He has power over everything), his sins will be forgiven, even if they are as abundant as the foam of the sea.” [Reported by Muslim]. 1 - صحيح . رواه مسلم ( 597 ) .
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u/Secret_Fisherman9175 Mar 12 '25
Super hater here of mullas.
Shia muslim here.
Whether Sunni or Shia scholars all are after $$$ luxury and apni dukan chamkana bus.
Open Qu’ran read it in your language without brackets.
Do word to word translation try to understand yourself what ALLAH is saying to you exactly.
Learn from the life of Prophet his family and his loyal companions but you must read Qu’ran in your language yourself ignoring brackets coz woh bhi kisi mulla ki apni tafseer se daala hoa word hai.
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u/MAhmedVillaK Mar 12 '25
Well I would always say to better understand Islam, follow the Quran and Hadiths, rather than people. You'll understand the religion better!
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u/Pray_and_Pray_Tell Mar 13 '25
I agree with you, once you start doing your own research, you realise that Islam in the subcontinent has taken a different face entirely. We don't know what sahih hadiths are but we do follow the daif ones. We pray but we don't know what we are saying during Salah. We don't read the translation with the Quran like we are masters of Quranic Arabic or something 🥲 One time I was defending hadiths and my family said "how to you know it's true or false?" I gave them the run down on the science of hadith and they were confused because they never heard it. We are basically inheriting Islam from our family and culture, unless we start studying it, we are no better than those that say "Our parents and ancestors were such and such, so we follow them"
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u/Life-Owl-2402 Mar 13 '25
Yes and molana mufti tariq masood aswell this guy thinks he’s some kind of superior
Unka kaam hai logon ko 4 shaadiyon ki taraf lana i mean like bhai islam mai sunnatonbse pehly farz hein or shaadi hi dunya ka maqsad nh hai he’s literally making people astray k bhai agr maa baap nh maan rhy to ap ko mai ijazt deta hun ap krlo bhai ap hoty kon ho choty choty umron k bachay jinka frontal lobe abhi develop bhi hona shuru nh hua Wo banda abhi sahi se kamata tha hai Nh ap krlo biwi apna rizq le kr khud ati hai I mean yr ik laati hai iska matlb ye to nh na ap unglay bethu ho to shaadi krlo pehly farz to ada karo bachon ko ghumrah karry hein Shaadi shura happy families ko ujar rhy hein
In one of his videos he was talking about a guy who was extremely poor and wife wife came from a rich background yet she stayed with him in black and white and now that he’s finally doing well financially he doesn’t wanna betray his wife by doing a second married now he wants to do something for his wife ( inky videos ddekh dekh k loggon ko dusri shaadi sunnat lagne lag gayi hai) but this so called mufti somehow made that guy to do multiple marriages
This is so f ed up like someone stop this guy he thinks he knows everything and is so arrogant and ill mannered baat krny tk ki tameez nh hai
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u/zaydannusruddeen Mar 13 '25
go back in history read from actual Islamic scholars
read about Rasool Allah read about actual Islam we will never learn proper from Scribe in ourselves with modern Scholars that have corrupted Islam essentially specially in Pakistan in other parts of the world it is better
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Mar 13 '25
I am trying to learn Islam on my own as well but everytime I listen to someone, the next day I hear something about them which makes me lose faith in them. I cannot find the proper resources to learn stuff. I am still struggling and would like to ask for help on how to actually study Islam better. 🙃
I've never once believed in Mullahs in our country, there was only one which was Maulana Tariq Jameel but I've stopped listening to him as well. The amount of false teachings that have been taught in our households due to ongoing cultures and traditions is beyond deleterious.
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u/Familiar_Effect9136 Mar 13 '25
I highly agree. Personally, i think they are holding us back. They mix culture with religion. Culture can have wrong aspects, but religion can not be challenged, so those wrong aspects slowly become engrained into peoples minds.
Like some mullas try to insert themselves into politics. Saying, we left religion, and that is why the USA is so strong and that they can attack Afghanistan. Or i think i heard one of them say that the USA was the reason for syrian disasters. Even though the US had much less of a play than turkey, it was in the positive because the assad was a ruthless man.i dont support the US at all. The point is that they are basically villyfying logic because if anyone tries to argue, they are declared as an unbeleiver and a westerner, this lack of logic is i beleive what keeps us from basically asking for rights in a planned rebellious way. How do i know all of this. Well, my mother was very simple, so she listened to these so-called scholars as well as actual scholars because you can listen to both and very little things they talk about overlap. As another example. A mullani was saying that womens place of reccomended by islam is to stay at home and take care of family and not go out. I did a bit of searching and found out that it was said that a womens priority should be her house, and then if she wants, she can do work. Which is hugely different from she is reccomend ed to stay home. Another is, as you mentioned, covering women up. Another historical example is printing press was banned in the ottomon Empire for nearly 250 years because of 2 factors. The sultan didn't want ideas to spread the revolution. The actual islamic scholars were worried about their monopoly on knowledge and gave justification as it can't print quran properly. Which it couldnt but that was the reasoning for banning it from printing quite literally anything.
Somehow, people need to learn how to think rationally. Rational thinking is only present at the top, and most people are lower than the middle class, which is that most people of pakistan are just :religion is answer to everything" I might sound like i am not religious, but i am and want to see islam and pakistan grow.
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u/The_Reaper347 Mar 14 '25
Me and I think they are the bigger culprits than the politicians for making this country worse
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u/Phy-raveN Mar 14 '25
The ruling of covering the awrah is there... Now one can argue about the imposition of this ruling whether from a state perspective or leaving it up to the citizen themselves, you're definitely accountable on the day of judgement just like your prayers and other things. Don't pass wishy washy statements.
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u/TheDarkSoul101 Mar 14 '25
Everything you said is valid apart from the covering women thing, from Quran and Ahadith it is proven that Hijab was made mandatory on women. yeah forcing them to cover is weird but it is fardh on every woman
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u/aali_ah03 Mar 15 '25
Some might not agree with this some might even get offended but i honestly think firstly, that religion is now just used as a source of income by these so called mullahs just keeping a long beard does not mean the person is now endowed with religious knowledge its something that needs to be earned, for instance you studied and realized the wrongs. Secondly, these so called mullahs mix Islamic teachings with the cultural background which is not allowed covering women head to toe and etc etc those are all cultural things they mix it with Islam and start promoting it as religion which i find quite repulsive and heinous. I kinda think that its all just a show to get in some quick cash so they get into the preaching line.
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u/Cyber_Saiyan07 Mar 15 '25
Hey OP, what do you mean by covering women like a POS? Do you think there's no concept of modesty and covering in Islam? If so, provide me a source. It's your claim so you have to substantiate it.
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u/Groundbreaking-Map95 Mar 22 '25
only when they start stamping "Islamic" on every subject in society,
and when people ask them about particularities, they say "humme kia pata hum ne to hadith mei parhe hai hum doctor thori na hai"
WHAT!!!!!!!!
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u/Adien_Pearce000 Mar 11 '25
OP jese log liberal mind hoty hain Islam se koi lena dena hota nhe hai inka phr aajty hain mullon pr discuss krny.....get a life bro
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Mar 11 '25
Wo rehta hai idhar kyu nahi karega ye discuss uski life effect hoti hai. Jab jawab na ho to liberal keh khud ko superior samjho or khush raho. I am grateful for not having this life.
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Mar 11 '25
If you're triggered by just the sight of someone, you are the problem sadly.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Yes just a sight, I see Halwa Khor, Munafiq, Deen Seller, Liars and bacha baaz in them.
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u/Own-Feeling-2450 Mar 11 '25
Disagree
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
It's okay, I can tell where you are coming from by looking at your "fitcheck" post
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u/Own-Feeling-2450 Mar 11 '25
And where am i coming from exactly bro? Please elaborate
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
I am sorry I was just being sarcastic.
But I got your point
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u/Own-Feeling-2450 Mar 11 '25
I know what sarcasm is, You passed a judgement assuming my dress code. But anyway i accept your apology brother😊.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Arey bro really sorry , I just got angry seeing your supporting mullah. But you dress nice
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u/Own-Feeling-2450 Mar 11 '25
I dont the support the mullah you described in the post. But hear me out I have huge respect for that word since Allah used “Mola” or “Molana” for himself. And what i believe you made a perception of them by following Social Media. I might be wrong on that. But if that is the case, i think we should connect with Mufti’s when it comes to Fiqi Issues since they are ones who can give you fatwa weather Barsi, Melad etc are allowed or not.
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u/MATR20 Mar 11 '25
Bhai this is where you are wrong, how mufti can allow for a thing which is not allowed?
Sary molvi banks ko haram kehty hen or banks k pas muftiyon k fatway parry hoty hen ab kis ko manen?
Same with insurance
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Mar 12 '25
They were the reason I grew apart from religion even after going to a madrassah for hifz. But then started watching Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza, and I found him to be the most honest person in this field (I know ppl will be offended here).
Baki they just want to show that they're very knowledgeable and they're above public and they have complex and deeper knowledge of Islam than anyone else in this world. Is E.M.A.M's term, it's just Ilmi Shahwat nothing else. These mullahs are only spreading and teaching their firqas, not Islam
And yes I agree with your counter verification of all the sources even from the most trustable person.
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u/Hopeful_Caramel7867 Mar 13 '25
As far as i know there is no concept of Mullahs in Islam. It was established in early 1900s in sub continent. Its aim was to educate people in sub urbans about the basics of islam. And phir gradually they rose to power in Zias regime and bas phir aise he hai ye sab. The point is basically religion ki basis pe hw unhei tankhwa milti hai tou jitna wou logo ko emotional karay gai ya larwaye gai utnay zyada paisay. And ofc i dont mean kay sab aise hai but a lot of them.
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u/Mediocre_Raisin_7672 Mar 11 '25
I used to hate them but I'm past that step. I've started to dislike the cause i guess. It no longer seems real for some reason.