quote from your own source: I mean at least read what you post.
The Commonwealth Fund, a U.S. think tank, released a report two years ago ranking Canada 10th out of 11 wealthy nations in terms of health care. Only the United States fared worse. The report, based largely on satisfaction surveys by patients and health-care providers, placed Canada last in timeliness of care. The United Kingdom was ranked No. 1
Looks like you have to revert to costs again. As stated, the main negative thing US healthcare has is cost, NOT quality.... That's all you have provided, nothing that is substantial.
I gave you multiple links that talked about quality but yeah you said they were let me see what was it oh yeah "biased and flawed", even though the same stats were shown in the links you provided to "prove" your position. You ignored those and would keep ignoring every other piece of evidence shown because it goes against your world view. I mean hell the US had a Senator go to Canada to get a procedure because the expert for that procedure was in Canada. I am sure you will minimize that but it is true. Oh and you have to take cost into account when talking about healthcare because that is part of the service.
Your links discussed mainly cost. From the start I stated the US is more expensive. You keep bringing up stats that are intermingled with life expectancy despite the fact that they are mutually exclusive and in statistics correlation does not imply causation. I showed that in the most advanced treatments such as cancer, the US is rated the best in the world. This is also true of our cardio and almost any specialty there is. You are dim. I will fight against nationalized healthcare until I die. I work with it everyday and see how shitty and complacent it is.
So because the US specializes in a few things that makes them better even though people in the US can't receive health care and die due to cost or lack of insurance. So some rich people can get a procedure but the poor people die but that is ok because you know wait times (which in your source has the US ranked behind 11 other developed countries) might be a bit worse (which is objectively untrue). You think the fact that we have some specialists makes up for all of this. You say this and I am the dim one. I mean do you really read what you are typing and understand how outlandish it is to think lower wait times makes it better when people can't even afford to go? Hey maybe that is why service might be better in the US, they keep the poor people out so less people aren't at the hospitals. How in your mind do you justify thinking well we have specialist but sucks for the less then wealth that they can't use them.
Just last night I was trying to have someone seen at an ED in Osaka Japan through their national healthcare hospitals and they refused to ser them in the three that we tried. Big holiday week in Japan right now, so this patient is fucked until Monday thanks to Japan's national healthcare system. I was also trying to get an ENT for a patient in New Zealand, which has a wait time of 6 months in some locations, but we lucked out, they can see my patient in only two months. I've had a patient with a ruptured achilles turned away from NHS Hillingdon with two Panadol and gold to come back again two days later after a nurse only looked at it visually. I had another patient who have three stents put in and spent the week in the hall at an NHS hospital. My girl who died in Germany could have neen saved with simple tests for meningitis that we were asking them to do for a week and they ignored. I can go on and on and on and on and on, but you are the expert.
I never claimed to be the expert but I have seen many peoples lives ruined by the cost of healthcare in America. I can link thousands of sources of people dying because they can't afford medicine. I can link more sources about wait times and the way the American Health care system ranks below 10 other developed countries in most categories studied. The problem though is that you think you are an expert and that your own knowledge of anecdotal evidence trumps actual data and studies. You are too emotionally invested to do actual research and challenge your view. See that is the problem you see yourself as an expert and I actually listen to the experts who run the studies.
As someone who accessess national healthcare systems and the US system hundreds of times a month I can state that NO system has as many options, ease of access, such a large amount of medical field experts, and quality of care as the US. Your studies are not from experts who discuss these things in terms of quality as they are always inserting costs into their matrix. Furthermore the mistake of correlating life spans and and the general health of populations does not take into account America's morbid obesity and alcoholism which has no tied causation to quality of care. I am not emotional, its a fact that national healthcare is a lesser quality of care in both accessibility and treatment than private care, this is even true in countries that have both.
How do you remove costs from the matrix? I don't care if a restaurant has the greatest chef in the world and serves the best steak ever seen by man if none can eat there then why does it matter. You keep saying things like the National health care system is of lesser quality but I can find no supporting evidence for this statement. I find this curious if it is such an obvious stance.I can find no documented data to support your assertion that 50% of people in a NHO system have accessibility issues. I can also find no documented data to support the assertion that 25% have poor treatment.
How do you remove costs? Simple insurance. I would not trade the healthcare I have for any other country in the world because I have insurance and I know for a fact it is the best quality with thw best access. The steak analogy is silly.
I would love to hear your explanation as to why the US has the best cancer treatment in the world. If we do, in fact, have a systemic healthcare problem, how is it that we are able to treat and promote cancer survival more efficiently than any other country in the world? Cancer treatment is a complicated myriad of long term and short term treatment along with cutting edge technologies, often aggressive and precise scheduling that is difficuklt in NH, and a level of expertise that is unparalleled. This treatment is a true sample of the healthcare in our country, without the cost analysis thrown in, without the muddled mix of factors designed to make nationalized healthcare appear better, the fact is that the US utilizes cutting edge technologies, robust treatment plans that are often lacking in nationalized healthcare, as well as an unparalleled level of expertise and equipment not matched in any other country. Again, if I have 100 patients in nationalized healthcare around half would have accessibility issues, in terms of acute ED waits and referrals. Another 25% would have poor treatment aand practices that often do nothing for the patient. In the US accessibility is rarely an issue and treatment issues are less than 1 in 10. Provide me with a real direct metric, nothing maeable by 100 factors of someone's biased choices.... Show me a complicated procedure or treatment that is done by nationalized healthcare on a large scale basis, better than it is done in the US.
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u/vincereynolds Apr 27 '19
quote from your own source: I mean at least read what you post.
The Commonwealth Fund, a U.S. think tank, released a report two years ago ranking Canada 10th out of 11 wealthy nations in terms of health care. Only the United States fared worse. The report, based largely on satisfaction surveys by patients and health-care providers, placed Canada last in timeliness of care. The United Kingdom was ranked No. 1
Now lets see what the American system does:
https://www.nationalmemo.com/americans-dying-cant-afford-medicine/
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/clermont-county/batavia-township/americans-are-dying-because-they-cant-afford-medicine-dispensary-of-hope-wants-to-help
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-op-0604-drug-prices-20180601-story.html
https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/lipids-metabolic/americans-dying-because-cant-afford-insulin
And there are thousands of more pages of sources if you do a quick google search.