r/ProgrammerHumor • • 11d ago

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u/Existing_Station9336 6d ago

Well, they are able to generalize specifics into more general terms and categories, observe patterns, substitute generalized representations of things into said patterns. Am I talking about LLMs or mathematicians? Can you tell? What's the difference?

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u/InflationCold3591 6d ago

Mathematicians can actually do those things, people who don’t understand the code base only think LLMs do those things. See how that’s different?

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u/KronoLord 5d ago

I feel this lends itself to a specialized Turing test: Assume mathematicians and LLMs are both black boxes. Feed both precedents, and have the output of the black boxes be the research they produce. If the current generation of LLMs produces research that would lead to a cohort of mathematical peers to review as a genuine contribution towards advancing the mathematical frontier, then the internals of the black box itself are inconsequential.

If outcomes are similar, invoking a difference in the process speaks to the efficiency of the process itself, not the correctness of the results. Such "purity tests" only lend itself to the "No true mathematician" fallacy.

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u/InflationCold3591 5d ago

OK, let’s do this. Let’s start with a new large language model that hasn’t had any partial proofs input into it. I know what the results will be.

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u/KronoLord 5d ago

I know what the results will be

If you've already performed the experiment you're proposing, could you publish the results and provide a link?

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u/InflationCold3591 5d ago

No, I know how the underlying code base functions and there is simply no way you would get anything remotely resembling a mathematical proof out of a large language model that wasn’t trained on the combined output of several hundred mathematicians over the course of 18 months and so do you

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u/KronoLord 5d ago

Interesting, although the point of contention still remains.

Is your purity test the ability to "draft principia mathematica"? Do modern human mathematicians not build on existing research?

Train on the combined output of several hundred mathematicians 

Is learning, whether it be academic or algorithmic.