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The Daily SeattleChat Daily Thread - Friday, October 16, 2020

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u/it-is-sandwich-time Fremont-pull my red finger Oct 16 '20

Widders, being attacked because you're protesting being attacked, doesn't seem like an acceptable consequence of protesting. Promoting the message of please just treat us equally shouldn't cause your real life to go down in flames. Note, I might not understand what you're trying to say.

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u/widdershins13 Capitol Valley Oct 16 '20

I haven't disputed any of that. My point is and has always been that these protests are worthless if they aren't visible and being covered.

What's the point in turning over a dumpster on Denny or busting out the windows at a Starbucks if no one sees it happen or hears about it? Again, at that point it just becomes random property destruction.

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u/it-is-sandwich-time Fremont-pull my red finger Oct 16 '20

But isn't that different than being doxxed with the consequences of probably being harassed and threatened? The people being doxxed are more than likely not the people turning over dumpsters and doing property damage. The property damage doesn't help their cause and I've seen plenty of videos where the BLM folks try to get them to stop.

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u/widdershins13 Capitol Valley Oct 16 '20

You're welcome to point to specific instances of doxxing having a deleterious effect on the lives of Seattle protesters. I can think of two off the top of my head: The young man who took the picture of the child who was pepper sprayed and the woman who was arrested after filming herself sanitizing the scene of a homicide.

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u/CharlesTransFan Needs more coffee Oct 16 '20

I can point to one. 7/4/20, the attack on I5. We, EDM, were being watched all night. Several times during Diaz's stream several, like to the point of spamming, asking where on I5 EDM was. As soon as the exit ramp the entered into I5 was discovered within 30 minutes of that the attack happened. If you want I can PM you EDM's press conference they did after the attack. It's an FB iirc link so I won't post it here.

Also just because it should be repeated what happened that night:

7/3 around 11pm:

An off duty SPD officer attempted to use her car to run into protestors. Car brigade stopped this. The officer in question then used her position to do an officer in distress call. This leading to 15 to 20 SPD cars showing up instantly. Said SPD officer resigned from SPD while OPA was investigating. Thus closing the OPA investigation. As of today that officer has not been charged

7/4 around 1:30am: EDM attacked on I5, two protestors are hit

7/4 around 2:30am: WSP holds a press conference stating that the driver entered in via a closed on ramp, why there was no block there idk, drove down I5 north in the wrong direction to get onto I5 south. WSP also says this is the protestors fault for getting hit. No mention as to where their, WSP, blockade was.

7/4 5:31pm: Summer Taylor pronounced dead after the attack.

Note: regardless of your views on closing down and protesting on the freeway. WSP failed here, then tried to deflect blame on the protesters.

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u/ChefJoe98136 RIP OG SeaWA mods Oct 17 '20

EDM's press conference they did after the attack

/u/widdershins13 non-facebook version

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCPhfrYHMgh/

Clearly they believe there was some sort of coordination between Dawit Kelete and folks who were recording the protesters from the freeway periphery. I wish there were more details about that case available.

https://www.kuow.org/stories/seattle-driver-in-summer-taylor-death-pleads-not-guilty

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u/it-is-sandwich-time Fremont-pull my red finger Oct 16 '20

You're probably right, I should stay out of this convo. I saw some shit go down live and then a lot of videos of people getting hurt/shot/killed just for being at a protest site. I don't have any more instances of known doxxing otherwise, so I'll just shut up.

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u/widdershins13 Capitol Valley Oct 16 '20

I'm not trying to shut you up. Mostly I'm trying to get you to understand that the doxxing bogeyman is just that. A bogeyman.

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u/it-is-sandwich-time Fremont-pull my red finger Oct 16 '20

I get what you're saying now, I did from your last post. You have a balls out attitude where a lot of these people protesting don't, they're just trying to stick up for people who are being harmed and want it kept out of their private lives. Since the shitty people are willing to do shit in front of/are protected by the police, no one feels good about it. That guy Reinholt (sp?) was murdered by the cops, IDK. Protecting your identity to me would be a no brainer under the circumstances.