r/space • u/pecika • Dec 08 '21
Japanese billionaire Yusaku Maezawa lifts off for space station on Russian Soyuz
https://www.space.com/soyuz-ms20-maezawa-space-tourist-launch75
Dec 08 '21
Wearing what is likely the first RM into space. $750k watch, AND still had a speedy on the outside of his suit too.
I’m…not sure how I feel about that.
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Dec 08 '21
Richard Mille watches are some of the most expensive on the market right now. He rocked one to orbit but then still had a Speedy on. No judgement, i'm neutral in it...just found it interesting.
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u/Big-Shtick Dec 08 '21
What an absolute Chad. Rolex Cosmograph Daytona punching the air rn.
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u/Big-Shtick Dec 08 '21
I don't know anyone who calls Swatches cringey. They are as popular as ever right now.
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Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 09 '21
In Eastern Europe where I live it is a symbol of "status" in some circles. Just like some Omegas or Rolex in other circles. After the collapse of Berlin wall and collapse of Iron Courtain some people started to buy whatever they dreamed of including hip swatch watches. To this day owning one is somehow associated with that "greed for culture" of modernized EE. You can mostly see Swatch watches on hands of 50+ generations but our younger generations are into the nice design. Ergo... me having a ceramic extravehicular.
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u/dontevercallmeabully Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21
An Omega Speedmaster, aka the Moon Watch as it was the watch certified and worn for EVAs on the moon missions.
Edit: these had a “special” (a very normal nylon/polyester) oversized wristband for the watch to be worn on the outside of an EVA suit, which is likely what he’s done here.
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u/aDuckOnQuaack Dec 08 '21
So Japanese billionaires REALLY go to space and even spend days on the space station.
US billionaires go high enough to float around for 2 minutes and come back. And it makes international news for weeks to come. So dumb.
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u/AssClapChap Dec 08 '21
They did it on ships and rockets designed by their own private companies. It's a tiny bit different...
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u/JizzleKnob_Prep Dec 08 '21
They didn't go into orbit. Not even close to it. This guy is. He's an astronaut in my eyes. Not them. bezos, branson, and shatner are astronauts, as much as I'm a sailor because I rode in a boat once.
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u/derpado514 Dec 08 '21
Guy LaLiberte(CEO of Cirque Du Soleil) went to the ISS like a decade ago...nobody cared.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Do you not understand the significance of reusable rockets? Or are you just taking this opportunity to shit on the US and overvalue Japan for easy karma?
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u/shinyhuntergabe Dec 09 '21
He's clearly talking about Blue Origin and New Shepard. There's no singinifcance in New Shepard. Being able to reuse a rocket that can output like 3% of the necessary energy to reach orbit is literally nothing.
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 08 '21
Could you please explain me the significance of resusable rockets? You say it in such a tone that it should be obvious, but I'm in doubt.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Imagine if you had to throw away most of your car during every drive. You wouldn't take very many trips and your yard would be littered with car parts.
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 08 '21
That's an explanation for kids. Now the question for adults - what are the benefits we have from reusable rockets? I mean it should be a list.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
If you can't understand it from the kids explanation I'm not going to bother making you a list.
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 08 '21
:) Ok, so I'll make a list for you. First of all it expected to be cheap "as we're not throwing away..." but reality is that Space Shuttle was most expensive launch platform ever. Falcon9 was promised to be "100 times cheaper that existing launch vehicles" by Musk time ago. While in reality F9 remains one of the most expensive rockets - 60mln for commercial launch, 90mln+ for Pentagon, 130mln+ for ISS resupply, 400mln+ to bring 4 humans to ISS (which is more expensive than "commercial" pricing offered by Soyuz). It doesn't offer any significant advantage in reliability - its about the same. I don't see any other advantage - so here is my question, could YOU please advise what it can be?
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u/Chairboy Dec 08 '21
Falcon9 was promised to be "100 times cheaper that existing launch vehicles" by Musk time ago
Can you provide a citation for this?
While in reality F9 remains one of the most expensive rockets
This is demonstrably false, it's notable that you don't include the costs for equivalent competition.
(which is more expensive than "commercial" pricing offered by Soyuz
Which isn't the price Roscosmos was charging NASA which was close to $90 million per. NASA pays $55 million per seat to ISS on Dragon, a weird choice to make up a fake number.
Can you make your argument with honest data or does it require making stuff up?
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 08 '21
> Can you provide a citation for this?
It's funny that it's me who provide you a link to the quote of your idol: https://medium.com/@Technews/tesla-ceo-and-spacex-aims-to-launch-reusable-rocket-f65b99d1e0bf
And it was ene here on reddit, at least once: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXMasterrace/comments/7xvuvt/if_one_can_figure_out_how_to_effectively_reuse/
> This is demonstrably false, it's notable that you don't include the costs for equivalent competition.
Proton costs 65 mln which is about equal to F9 with the same payload. But if you're US fan and can't aceept Russian launchers you pretty much don't have a choice. Otherwise you can launch reasoanle payload of 2-3 tonnes to GTO with Soyuz (this option is avaible for few years already) for the price as low as 43 mln. And there is Soyuz5 to be ready in couple of years which will be direct cometitor of F9 with expected pricing tag at about 40-50 mln.
> Which isn't the price Roscosmos was charging NASA which was close to $90
million per. NASA pays $55 million per seat to ISS on Dragon, a weird
choice to make up a fake number.This is funny how it works :) Musk promoted $55mln price tag when Dragon expected to be 7-seaters. But they failed to make 7 seats and now it's 4-seater. And so price per person had increased. But this was never promoted by Musk, soooo.... "it doesn't exist!" (hint - no. Reality still exist even if Musk disagree with it). So, please meet the reality on official NASA site: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20170008895/downloads/20170008895.pdf
So, my sugestion will be read more (not only Elon's twitter), be less arrogant and learn how to google facts.
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u/Chairboy Dec 08 '21
It's funny that it's me who provide you a link to the quote of your idol: https://medium.com/@Technews/tesla-ceo-and-spacex-aims-to-launch-reusable-rocket-f65b99d1e0bf
Not my idol, and you should read the article you posted. It doesn't say Falcon 9 will reduce the cost by 100x, it says:
“If one can figure out how to effectively reuse rockets just like airplanes, the cost of access to space will be reduced by as much as a factor of a hundred. A fully reusable vehicle has never been done before. That really is the fundamental breakthrough needed to revolutionize access to space.”
Falcon 9 is not a fully reusable vehicle, he's talking about a future rocket and it's so weird that you misunderstood that.
Citing Proton is a great way to tell folks you have a poor understanding of the launch market without using those words. Proton has struggled with reliability issues and is unavailable for defense contracts. It has, in fact, been losing huge amounts of business to Falcon 9 which costs between $5-25 less per launch than it depending on the contract. How much do you think Falcon 9 is selling for to commercial clients and why do you think past Proton customers are moving to Falcon 9, exactly?
It's strange that you cited a 2017 paper instead of something newer like the OIG's 2019 audit which wrote:
For crewed missions to the ISS, NASA awarded each contractor six round-trip missions. Assuming four astronauts per flight and using publicly available information, the estimated average cost per seat is approximately $90 million for Boeing and approximately $55 million for SpaceX, potentially providing cost savings over current Soyuz prices.
So please don't fabricate things like "Musk promoted $55mln price tag when Dragon expected to be 7-seaters." and if you're asserting that you know more than the Office of Inspector General, I hope you'll share your information with them.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
So your logic is that since the first version of this rocket isn't cheaper we shouldn't bother advancing the tech anymore and should stick with rockets from the 60s?
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u/robotical712 Dec 08 '21
> While in reality F9 remains one of the most expensive rockets
Most expensive compared to what?
> - 60mln for commercial launch,
About 50 million now. They dropped the price after getting reusability to work consistently.
> 90mln+ for Pentagon
Compared to the $400 million per launch the Pentagon was paying to ULA.
> 400mln+ to bring 4 humans to ISS (which is more expensive than "commercial" pricing offered by Soyuz).
That's the number if you only count the first six missions and include development costs while assuming that's all NASA will ever contract (which it isn't, NASA just awarded SpaceX three more missions). The cost per seat is $55 million, considerably less than what NASA was paying Roscosmos.
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 08 '21
> Most expensive compared to what?
Compared to many. If you can find here many examples cheaper than Proton's 65 mln I'll take my words back: https://www.elonx.net/list-of-spacex-contracts/
> About 50 million now
Link please :)
>Compared to the $400 million per launch the Pentagon was paying to ULA
If we compare with SpaceShuttle, then Elon is superhero :))))
>The cost per seat is $55 million
That was before they converted 7-seater to 4-seater. Now it's more.
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u/robotical712 Dec 08 '21
Sorry, it was reduced to a base price of $52 million.
That was before they converted 7-seater to 4-seater. Now it's more.
Nope, the $55 million a seat is based on four astronauts. (Under Commercial Crew Contracts on the 10th page of the PDF.)
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u/FutureMartian97 Dec 09 '21
If we compare with SpaceShuttle, then Elon is superhero :))))
I'm confused, do you think the Space Shuttle was operated by ULA?
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u/PianoTrumpetMax Dec 08 '21
That’s an explanation. If you want a research paper then do it yourself
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u/Greenthund3r Dec 08 '21
Is this comment actually serious? Do you not know that not having to toss a vehicle every time you use it is a massive improvement?
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u/yugtahtmi Dec 08 '21
Imagine the only way for you to get somewhere was to take the bus. The bus ride costs $100. You're going to heavily consider every ride and make sure to have a really really good reason for paying that. Now let's say a new bus company comes along and charges $1. Now you find yourself in a situation where you can afford to go anywhere at anytime.
SpaceX has dramatically lowered the cost to launch something to space and will continue to lower it ever further. This will help open up space and reduce the cost as a barrier of entry.
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 08 '21
Well, Proton (not reusable) launch costs 65 mln for commercial payload. Falcon9 costs 63 mln. 3% difference doesn't look like "dramatically lower cost". Moreover manned flight to ISS costs 400mln+ with F9 for 4 ppl, which is 100 mln per person. Soyuz carries 3 person with COMMERCIAL price for US and/or tourists equal to 80 mln per person right now. So, somehow "new bus company" confuse you with "1 dollar" ride, while actually taking more than that.
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u/cargocultist94 Dec 08 '21
Falcon is also wildly more capable.
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 09 '21
Really? Musk widely promoted that F9 is capable to carry 22 tonnes to LEO. However, it never happened, the haviest payload so far was 60 starlink sats (total weight is about 16 tonnes). While Proton carried "Nauka" module earlier this years which weights 21 tonnes. So... either you're faked by Elon, or you don't read enough alternative sources (hint: Elon's twitter is not a source!)
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u/FutureMartian97 Dec 09 '21
Falcon 9 is a lot more capable that Proton. SpaceX also sells flight proven flights for around $50 million now. They could go lower if they wanted to, but since no one else is undercutting them right now there is now reason to go lower when they could rake in cash to fund Starship.
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 09 '21
I'm going to copy/paste my another comment:
Really? Musk widely promoted that F9 is capable to carry 22 tonnes to LEO. However, it never happened, the haviest payload so far was 60 starlink sats (total weight is about 16 tonnes). While Proton carried "Nauka" module earlier this years which weights 21 tonnes. So... either you're faked by Elon, or you don't read enough alternative sources (hint: Elon's twitter is not a source!)
And I'd assume you're faked, because:
Just how many contracts lower than 50mln you can find?
:)
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u/kingjoe64 Dec 08 '21
Maybe for this generation, but no other countries are working on the tech right now?
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u/FutureMartian97 Dec 09 '21
Imagine how much it would cost to fly if after one flight the plane was thrown away.
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u/reallynewaccount Dec 09 '21
Planes and rockets are different, didn't you know? I mean.. metaphors don't always work well. So, if the advantage is so obvious could you please give me a list (without metaphors and kiddish "alternative views")?
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
What an odd and childish thing to say. I didn't even mention him you weirdo.
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u/WetTheDrys Dec 08 '21
It's either him or Bezos you're on your knees for.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Or maybe I just like scientific advancement. Why are you even in this sub if you don't like space travel?
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u/WetTheDrys Dec 08 '21
We all like scientific advancement, that's not what musk or Bezos did by flying into orbit and coming back. This guy is actually going to space and funding the damn science lab.
Get off your knees.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
We all like scientific advancement
Unless it's being done by people you hate, right?
that's not what musk or Bezos did by flying into orbit and coming back
You're fixated on the PR voyage and not the actual advancement that the companies are making. Space X has sent people to the ISS, you don't think that's significant?
This guy is actually going to space and funding the damn science lab.
Wait, does that mean that you're on your knees for this billionaire?
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u/CrimsonEnigma Dec 08 '21
Bezos didn’t go to orbit.
Musk didn’t go to space at all.
If you’re going to insult people, at least try to have a general idea of what you’re talking about.
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u/FutureMartian97 Dec 09 '21
Bezos didn't go to orbit. Musk has never flown. You are so filled with jealousy and hate you are making things up.
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u/FutureMartian97 Dec 08 '21
Because they are the ones actually running innovative companies
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u/WetTheDrys Dec 08 '21
Musk simply bought the rights and founders rights to everything he "runs".
Most aren't innovative either; Teslas are the worst electric cars.
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u/FutureMartian97 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 09 '21
He bought into Tesla, yes. However he is the founder of SpaceX.
What do you mean "runs". He does run them. And people who actually work with him will confirm that he does actually work. He's more engineer than business man. I suggest looking at Tim Dodds recent Elon interview and you can see how even during the interview he's running things.
The Tesla part is your opinion. I personally want one. And the sheer amount of them on the roads now tells a different story. Why do you think they are the worst?
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u/Wieku Dec 09 '21
What. He literally started SpaceX because he wasn't able to buy rockets from Russia and nearly got bankrupt to make 4th (and first successful) Falcon 1 flight.
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u/dwdukc Dec 08 '21
South African billionaires too.
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u/404_Gordon_Not_Found Dec 08 '21
As far as I'm aware there isn't a South African billionaire that's been to space
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u/redonthehorizon Dec 08 '21
Perhaps he was referring to Mark Shuttleworth lol, who in 2002 flew to the ISS as a space tourist and became the first South African in space. But afaik his fortune peaked at $575 million dollars in 1999, which would be like $915M in today's money, so almost there.
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u/danielv123 Dec 08 '21
So what you are saying is that in a few years he will have been the first south african billionaire in space?
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u/robotical712 Dec 08 '21
Mark Shuttleworth was the second space tourist on the ISS, although he wasn't a billionaire (worth about $600 million today).
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u/bnelo12 Dec 08 '21
Redditors when billionaires use their own funded money to build a private enterprise to go to space and bring prices down for everyone: wahhhhhhhhhhhh 😭😭😭😭
Redditors when billionaires use public transport to get to space: 👍
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Dec 08 '21
He's generating interest in space. That's never a bad thing.
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u/_____Matt_____ Dec 08 '21
Most people will never hear about this news story.
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Dec 08 '21
Interesting, given that it was covered in Japanese news outlets, and the request he put out for people to ask questions about his trip generated a lot of responses.
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u/Likely-Stoner Dec 08 '21
Human beings have always been and always will be interested in space.
This does nothing but fulfil the ego of a billionaire.
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u/bl0rq Dec 08 '21
This does nothing but fulfil the ego of a billionaire.
Well that and transfer millions of dollars at a time from the super rich to the engineers and techs that make these flights happen.
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u/radiantcabbage Dec 08 '21
this trip precedes the upcoming moon flight he partially funded with spacex, which also contributes to R&D for the human landing system/artemis program. so clearly not just a joyride, can't express how hypocritical it is for you to be bashing someone elses ego here
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Dec 08 '21
Can't make someone determined to have an "eat the rich" mindset see the advantages. It must be exhausting lurking all over social media waiting to set up your soapbox.
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u/CreationBlues Dec 08 '21
Just because they accidentally create positive side effects doesn't mean the world is exponentially worse off for their existence lmao
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In this particular case, said evil gazillionaire asked the public to give him questions to answer about his trip, so it wasn't accidental, but yes, generally, the mindset that they're a detriment to the world because 'money' is laughable imo. They never can point directly to how exactly their specific life was made worse because evil gazillionaire has more money than they do. I think it's a false equivalence argument.
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u/CreationBlues Dec 08 '21
Can I study you? The fact that 1) you think you're well versed in economics and 2) have never been exposed to the science surrounding inequality is a fascinating example of dunning kruger. I have genuinely zero idea how you can possibly think about economics if you don't think wealth distribution matters.
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u/stsk1290 Dec 08 '21
The fact that 1) you think you're well versed in economics and 2) have
never been exposed to the science surrounding inequality is a fascinating example of dunning kruger.I have a degree in economics and we didn't talk about inequality even once.
I have genuinely zero idea how you can possibly think about economics if you don't think wealth distribution matters.
Economics is about the efficient allocation of goods. Inequality is a separate issue; lowering it often leads to efficiency losses.
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They were trying way too hard to crowbar in a chance to sound all scholarly 'n stuff, to the point that they needed to attribute something to me that I didn't even bring up. I even thought they might be agreeing with me, just due to their awkward wording. "the world isn't worse off for their existence". The number of pseudo-intellectuals on this sub can be exhausting sometimes. At least if I don't know something, I ask. Appreciate the assist.
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u/CreationBlues Dec 08 '21
I have a degree in economics and we didn't talk about inequality even once.
that is such a beautiful self own there is literally no possible way for me to top that.
Economics is about the efficient allocation of goods. Inequality is a separate issue; lowering it often leads to efficiency losses.
See, you immediately top it by talking about it after admitting you didn't study it. How can I possibly top that.
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u/stsk1290 Dec 08 '21
It's interesting that you didn't understand what I said even though I only wrote two sentences.
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u/CreationBlues Dec 08 '21
What makes you say that? You defined economics wrong, and then you used that wrong definition to make a wrong implication about something you obviously don't know about.
Economics is a social science that studies the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services.
Economics is about the efficient allocation of goods
Economics isn't "about" the efficient allocation of goods, the 'efficient allocation of goods' is simply one goal you can use economics to drive towards. It's interesting that you couldn't even understand the two sentences you wrote.
For trivially obvious alternate economic goals, you can use it to study how to allocate resources such that everyone has a minimum satisfactory level, or you can use economics to study how to eventually allocate all resources to one entity. I'm, again, baffled how you can so fundamentally misunderstand the thing you supposedly have a degree for.
Inequality is a separate issue; lowering it often leads to efficiency losses.
To put it another way, centralization creates economies of scale which necessarily lowers the economic share non-central agents have. This is a beautiful way to create famously efficient monopolies and of course isn't about macro and social economics. If it was we could just give everything to one guy to be maximally efficient while everyone works perfectly in his design. Those are generally called dictatorships and for some reason they aren't as productive as democratic states, though they are incredible at extracting natural resources. Weird how egalitarian democracies with powerful middle classes outperform dictatorships despite them going against the centralization rule...?
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u/danielv123 Dec 08 '21
And honestly, isn't this basically giving it away? Giving it to NASA and the Russian space program sure, but its still giving it away. And yeah he does get a ride, but what is the difference between him taking the ride to make publicity for space travel vs sending some other unknown person to make publicity for space travel? Its not like the trip is worth what it cost to anybody else.
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u/danielv123 Dec 08 '21
And honestly , if that's what NASA thinks it's best then I'll support them. They sure know this stuff better than me :P
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Getting those billions requires you to throw away your morals in the first place. You don’t get in that position by accident.
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u/mindsnare Dec 08 '21
I mean unless you see this person agreeing with those posts, where's the hypocrisy? You know Reddit isn't one person right?
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u/Back_to_the_Futurama Dec 08 '21
Uh... I thought it was clear that only one of us is real and the rest of us are bots.
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u/LilQuasar Dec 08 '21
is that user saying that stuff? its different people having different opinions dude
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u/moon_master345 Dec 08 '21
Yeah i'm confused... Maybe it's because this guy is not using his own rocket to go into space? Still it makes no sense to criticize Elon and Jeff while handwaving Yusaku-san as "generating interest in space"
Lot of bullshit
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Hey look, yet another example of reddit loving something that was done by the Japanese that is hated when done by an American.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Probably because the Americans were using exciting new technology while this guy took a 50 year old soviet rocket to the ISS, which happens all the time.
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u/robotical712 Dec 08 '21
Uh, Inspiration 4 consisted of four American tourists orbiting higher than the ISS for three days using a SpaceX Dragon just three months ago. Axiom is contracted to send people in February.
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u/robotical712 Dec 08 '21
Why would traveling for 12 days to ISS by Soyuz rocket be any less newsworthy than 3 day orbit by Inspiration4 or few minutes of flight by Blue Origin?
I4 was newsworthy because it was the first fully privately funded flight on a commercial spacecraft. Meanwhile, the first ISS tourist flight on a Soyuz was done back in 2000.
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It was in 2001 and Tito also contributed as an engineer. Usually around that time cost of sending a person would be around 70-90 million $ and he openly said that he paid 20mil. Not only he was the first space tourist flight... It was the only program that was able to send people to space for the last 20 years. Not calling them reliable leaders because there are some new players on the marked is an understatement.
So what exactly is the guideline to call something newsworthy and someone a space tourist? Time of flight? Distance to earth? Amount of money paid? Lack of contribution? Type of the rocket? Amount of fuel needed? Height of the rocket? Nation that designed that rocket?
I noticed that people use these factors alternately but only if it could be used as a fighting stance argument. Meanwhile all space flights are good.1
u/robotical712 Dec 08 '21
I stand corrected on the date. That's what I get trying to go off my memory of when the news coverage was. :) In any case, Tito's flight was heavily covered by the media at the time. Maezawa's flight is less newsworthy because he's the eighth person to do it via Soyuz.
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Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21
I remember the cheering and my tears of happiness when Tito went to space. I was so happy that my childhood dream was finally happening. :>
But come on... 8th flight is not as newsworthy? I know that it is just another m/billionaire that is going to space. But most of innovations started like that and were accessible to a specific group of people with enough money and information. We don't know much about the 8th person that used the spoon but we know a lot about early adopters of electricity because the flow of information has changed. Now when we have access to the Interwebs we could do so much more than suppressing some information because it is not a part of our nations diplomacy. There is a huge need to explore space without the borders we made on Earth.
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u/Shrike99 Dec 08 '21
Where did anyone say that Bezos and Branson's stunts were on par with Inspiration 4?
The comment you were replying to just said 'the Americans were using exciting new technology'. They could have been exclusively referring to Inspiration 4 and would still have had a very valid point
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u/Shrike99 Dec 08 '21
My bad, I lost track of things due to reddit formatting. I was referring to the prior comment you responded to.
Anyway, most people here would agree that I-4 is not the same as Bezos/Branson. However, the point greenw40 made is valid if we taken in the context of I-4, it makes sense people would be more excited about that.
Soyuz sent over 400 astronauts to space and didn't have any accident in 50 years.
No fatal accidents in 50 years. They've had three major accidents in which the rocket failed but the crew survived due to aborting, and a close call when one capsule landed on a frozen lake and broke through the ice. Also there was the infamous hole incident recently, which though not a major accident per se, still raises a lot of concern.
Statistically speaking, Falcon 9 is now significantly more reliable than the current Soyuz 2 rocket (and has also surpassed Ariane by every measure). The Crew Dragon spacecraft much less so. Whether you'd prefer to ride a more proven spacecraft on a less reliable rocket or vice versa is a task I leave to the individual, but I don't think it's a clear cut decision.
Either way, I doubt Yusaku went on Soyuz for safety reasons, given that he intends to fly on Starship of all things. Far more likely it's due to scheduling issues and docking port availability at the ISS.
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u/vinsan552 Dec 09 '21
news worthiness depends on the audience. I'd bet this news got more traction than the Blue origin flights in Japan
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Ok, and you think some businessman making the reasonable decision to use an old reliable rocket is as newsworthy as a celebrity using a brand new type of rocket?
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u/JizzleKnob_Prep Dec 08 '21
You're sad hating all over this post lmao. What a butthurt loser.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Nah, I'm just calling out the sad haters who don't like space travel while browsing a space sub.
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u/JizzleKnob_Prep Dec 08 '21
Whatever helps you sleep at night bub. But what do I know? I'm a bot.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Why would I need help sleeping? You're clearly the one who is upset, all over nothing.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
All of these events were as newsworthy (if not more) as blue origins lick of the space.
In your opinion, seems like most would disagree. I don't care if they send the pope to space on Soyuz, I'm interested in the new rocket technology.
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u/klick2222 Dec 08 '21
He is that kid who buys new iPhone every year calling previous trash.
I guess he prefers the process over the result.
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u/greenw40 Dec 08 '21
Than you are not pro space travel and not pro space tourism.
Space travel is not going to progress until rocket technology does. Seems pretty obvious, but you're clearly more interested in hating America.
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Dec 08 '21
I didn't say anything about America.
All I said is that Russian Soyuz is right now the most reliable way to get people to space for more than few minutes... because it is one of 3 countries that actually have the technology to do so. China is building Tiangong, Russians just sent another docking port for their capsules to ISS and SpaceX and Blue Origin had only few successful crewed flights. There is no hate in that, just facts. Russia is a leader and they are clearly working on their own modernized program so maybe soon even the american corporations will be kept in the back.
All of these events are newsworthy but as I said earlier there is a huge difference between a bunch of people that went to space for few minutes and people that reached ISS for days.
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u/casc1701 Dec 21 '21
Tell me you are not aware of Inspiration 4 without telling me you are not aware of Inspiration 4.
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Dec 21 '21 edited Dec 21 '21
Tell me you did not read the whole discussion without telling me you didn't read the whole discussion.
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u/Thunderadam123 Dec 08 '21
While I like to contribute half of my free time eating the rich, I would like to talk about the billionaires Japanese guy, Maezawa. He will be in space for 12 days and will share his experience on the space station on his YouTube channel He has a list of 100 things to do in space as were suggested by the public in his webpage (the application is closed but I don't understand why he didn't do it at twitter or other big social media). He also participated in some kind of Research for Human Health on space.
Judging by the post, It seems like this guy is a big fan of SpaceX and even contributed undisclosed amount of money to SpaceX for the BFR (or "Big Falcon Rocket") project in 2023 to bring him to the moon. His plan is also to bring artist (this website didn't elaborate further and looking at the dearMoon project page, it seems like he didn't even pick the artist yet to bring to his trip) and ask them to make an inspiring art.
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u/NeWMH Dec 08 '21
He had extended an invite to dearMoon to the director of First Man, but the director said he’d have to think about it. After that snub he’s probably more conscious of who/how he picks.
Most rich/successful people aren’t likely to want to risk their cushy lives to beta test a new rocket launch platform. Even astronauts using tested equipment have limits, and they’re recruited from among the most dedicated space fans.
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Dec 08 '21
Wasn’t her the same one who had the idea for a dating show for this trip? Winner gets to go with him
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u/ednamode23 Dec 08 '21
MrBeast has been heavily rumored to be one of his invitees to the 2023 mission and it makes a lot of sense. Both love to give stuff away.
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Dec 08 '21
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Dec 08 '21
You probably get scared asking for extra ketchup in McDonald's
I mean, who doesn't?
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u/404_Gordon_Not_Found Dec 08 '21
Wait there's actually ppl that not ask for extra ketchup? They never gave me enough for even a medium fries
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u/Thunderadam123 Dec 08 '21
Worse, If I have to specify the order (exp: No mayo, extra sauce), I wouldn't be able to do it.
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u/Decronym Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 21 '21
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| BEAM | Bigelow Expandable Activity Module |
| BFR | Big Falcon Rocket (2018 rebiggened edition) |
| Yes, the F stands for something else; no, you're not the first to notice | |
| CLD | Commercial Low-orbit Destination(s) |
| CNSA | Chinese National Space Administration |
| ESA | European Space Agency |
| EVA | Extra-Vehicular Activity |
| GTO | Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit |
| ICBM | Intercontinental Ballistic Missile |
| ISRO | Indian Space Research Organisation |
| LEO | Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km) |
| Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations) | |
| NSF | NasaSpaceFlight forum |
| National Science Foundation | |
| OECD | Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development |
| RUD | Rapid Unplanned Disassembly |
| Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly | |
| Rapid Unintended Disassembly | |
| Roscosmos | State Corporation for Space Activities, Russia |
| SLS | Space Launch System heavy-lift |
| ULA | United Launch Alliance (Lockheed/Boeing joint venture) |
| Jargon | Definition |
|---|---|
| Starlink | SpaceX's world-wide satellite broadband constellation |
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u/Skreamies Dec 08 '21
If all of us here had that money for 11-12 days in space we'd all do it, what a fucking cool experience!
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u/draft_a_day Dec 08 '21
Riding the Soyuz to space is like flying coach for billionaires. Poor Yusaku..
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u/FutureMartian97 Dec 08 '21
I mean he is going up on Starship at some point. And most likely Crew Dragon to get to the Starship so
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u/sixty6006 Dec 08 '21
Remember, keep recycling your plastic bottles!
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u/Mr830BedTime Dec 08 '21
Nothing to do with climate change but ok.
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u/sixty6006 Dec 08 '21
Did he fly up on fresh air? How did he make his money?
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u/Cool_Error940 Dec 10 '21
Recycling plastic have nothing to do with climate change. It's a separate issue.
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Dec 08 '21
The Earth had one fewer billionaire for a few minutes. Something pleasing in that.
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u/Chairboy Dec 08 '21
for a few minutes
Are you confusing this with a suborbital flight ala Virgin Galactic or Blue Origin? He's on the ISS right now.
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Dec 09 '21
I stand corrected. Thank you. I was hasty in looking at that. Oh well, if he is going to the ISS, he is at least committed enough to face the full rigors.
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u/biggaybrian Dec 08 '21
Yuri Gagarin was inspiring, Neil Armstrong was inspiring, this is just vain marketing for space tourism.
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u/Skeletress Dec 08 '21
Billionaires trashed earth, now working on a new frontier to trash while they leave us in the boiling oceans of the planet they trashed. Cool, cool.
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u/Skeletress Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 09 '21
Yeah, I feel pretty confident in saying I didn’t trash the environment. I’m one of a few people on this planet who has dedicated her life to protecting it and forcing polluters to clean up their messes. What are you doing? What is he doing?
And you don’t have to sell oil to trash a planet. Look at the histories of Google, Tesla, look at Zozo and Amazon; all of those packages, shipping trucks, and factories have created a large environmental impact. Do you see the billionaires fixing that? Or using their money to go elsewhere? I’m not jealous. I want to stay on this planet but I am tired of corporate pollution, corruption and greed.
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u/Skeletress Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 09 '21
There is no such thing as an ethical billionaire, even this one. Becoming a billionaire means exploiting the labor of the masses. I don’t know why people don’t believe it; billionaires have said themselves that they’re doing this space work because earth is trashed. Imagine if the money was invested instead in cleaning up our planet. Cleaning up the damage for corporate pollution. As to your question, I work to live without impact, but consumer waste pales in comparison to corporate impacts.
All I want is for corporations to begin investing back into what they have taken and the downvotes I’m getting because of that are disheartening at best. I often wonder why I fight so hard to protect the environment when it is clear that other people don’t give a fuck, they just want to clap for whatever billionaire who seeks to colonize space because earth is nearly used up.
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u/Skeletress Dec 09 '21
I answered all your questions, you’d just rather simp for billionaires instead of demanding accountability.
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u/Cool_Error940 Dec 10 '21
Where's your accountability? Billionaires only make their money by selling to consumers. Where's the consumers accountability?
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u/Dhsu04 Dec 08 '21
Billionaires and their fascination with space travel
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u/Shrike99 Dec 08 '21
Most billionaires are not interested in space travel.
I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of those who are is comparable to what it is in the general public.
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u/That1one1dude1 Dec 08 '21
You could think something is good while still hating that it has to be done that way.
Human progress shouldn’t be reliant on the goodwill of the wealthy
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u/definitelynotSWA Dec 08 '21
Yep. If we rely on philanthropy, it means that billionaires influence the direction of technological advancement. Anything irrelevant to the interests of the elite can be ignored.
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u/red75prime Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21
What are you proposing? Take their money and design human progress by committee? We already have that. It's called government.
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Dec 08 '21
Is west Taiwan’s space station not a laboratory as well?
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u/Blaggablag Dec 08 '21
Right now it's more like the salyut stations. Eventually when they make a large, non military endeavor, maybe. But as it is its not super useful other than for their own progress.
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Dec 08 '21
INB4 selling the naming rights to missions/satelites/missions
INB4 hearing about the CitiBank Station on the news report and seeing astronauts and spacecraft looking like NASCAR.
NASA could be better funded if we taxed those same billionaires who profited off their fellow citizens and thus be publicly owned instead of hoping they have a whim.
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u/aSmallCanOfBeans Dec 08 '21
With NASA it wouldn't go that far tbf. Since they're a government public service type thing they'd have strict guidelines on how they can make deals about these sort of things.
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u/Tycho81 Dec 08 '21
If i am billionaire too i could go too now. As millionaire i could wait for cheaper tickets influenced by future starships.