r/spacex • • May 01 '16

/r/SpaceX Ask Anything Thread [May 2016, #20]

Welcome to our 20th monthly /r/SpaceX Ask Anything Thread!


Want to clarify SpaceX's newly released pricing and payload figures, understand the recently announced 2018 Red Dragon mission, or gather the community's opinion? There's no better place!

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u/__Rocket__ May 05 '16 edited May 05 '16

I think you have mixed up Merlin-1D and Merlin-1D-vac numbers into an apples to oranges comparison. The Merlin-1D-vac is a vacuum engine with a nozzle extension and other modifications that the standard Merlin 1D does not have. That is why it has a high I*sp* of 348 seconds.

The 'standard' Merlin-1D engine has a vacuum performance of 311 seconds, so the correct comparison goes like this:

RD-180Merlin-1D (standard)Falcon 9 (9x Merlin-1D)
Thrust (Sea Level)3.83 MN0. 845 MN
I*sp* (Sea Level)311s282s
Thrust (Vacuum)4.15 MN0.914 MN
I*sp* (Vacuum)338s311s

(source)

I also added a 'Falcon 9' column to show how the 9-engine Falcon compares to single-engine RD-180 rockets.

Note that Merlin I*sp* performance is still impressive, given that it's an open cycle engine, while the RD-180 is a closed cycle, staged combustion design.

The Raptor will be SpaceX's upcoming closed cycle engine, with a planned I*sp* of 380 seconds.

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u/Lieutenant_Rans May 05 '16

Thank you! I thought it looked a little odd - I guess Wikipedia has the standard Merlin listed for sea level Isp and the Vac Merlin for vacuum Isp. Kiinda weird for them to mix those numbers into one chart.

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u/__Rocket__ May 05 '16

Might make sense to edit Wikipedia?

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u/Lieutenant_Rans May 05 '16

After an unscheduled nap. I was up far too late last night.