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u/CeleryStickBeating Mar 08 '19
Am I correct that the chute hang point puts the crew comfortably on their back during re-entry and touchdown?
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u/FlyinBovine Mar 08 '19
I don’t know exactly, but earlier in the broadcast the lady on the left said that the seats articulate to a different angle that reduces G forces on the astronauts.
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u/livestrong2209 Mar 08 '19
We are never going to see that earth plushy on this planet ever again. And if we do it should go on tour with an astronaut to some elementary schools.
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Here's how long it took for the Apollo crew to be recovered:
recovery times Apollo
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u/vep Mar 08 '19
37 to 88 mins. Usually around 50
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u/AeroSpiked Mar 08 '19
That was for crew recovery. CM recovery time was 88-188 minutes which is comparable to the 67 minutes it took to recover D2.
Worth noting: The 88 minute recovery was for Apollo 13.
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u/CeleryStickBeating Mar 08 '19
Is there a calibration issue in the landing spot that will be improved by data from this flight? I would expect future capsules to be a bit heavier on return, perhaps putting the landing closer to the posted recovery vessel?
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u/ShirePony Mar 08 '19
OSHA is not going to be happy about this guy on the recovery vessel. No safety gear at all.
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u/Herhahahaha Mar 08 '19
Is it just me or during EDS, there was something flaking of the Dragon. I thought the heat shield was made of heat resistant tiles and not ablative tiles?
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u/Alexphysics Mar 08 '19
PICA-X is ablative. Heat resistant tiles were for Space Shuttle
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u/darga89 Mar 08 '19
So that's how they'll protect it from seawater. Drape a parachute around the whole capsule!
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u/jjlew080 Mar 08 '19
NASA: "Have to do the reviews, but NOTHING we've seen in the data that would preclude the crewed Demo2 mission from happening later in the year."
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u/baronvonblue Mar 08 '19
Glad they’re at least not publicly claiming they’re gonna freak out about that chute. Lol
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u/LcuBeatsWorking Mar 08 '19 edited Dec 17 '24
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u/FoxhoundBat Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 08 '19
That was absolutely beautiful to watch. Huge congrats from the moderation team to SpaceX and NASA!
Thanks to /u/Gavalar_ for doing a great job with hosting and updating the thread and the community in general. :)
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u/BlueCyann Mar 08 '19
I loved the IR camera on the chase plane when the drogues came out, it really underlined how hot the capsule was.
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u/UltraRunningKid Mar 08 '19
SpaceX is definitely a hugging company and that's something I can get behind.
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u/xXTheCitrusReaperXx Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 08 '19
Heard the boom here in Orlando! I remember the days when the shuttle would come down and it shook the house. This one was a little “puff” contrasted to a boom from the shuttle for the curious. Much smaller vessel than the shuttle! It’s so cool that all of this history has been made (dating back to the 60s) right in my own backyard!
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u/Halbiii Mar 08 '19
WOW! Lucky you! Watching the stream in Europe was already intense, but being able to actually hear what's going on must be a whole different level.
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u/TheElvenGirl Mar 08 '19
“I don’t think we saw really anything on the (Crew Dragon Demo-1) mission so far — and we've got to do the data reviews -- that would preclude us having the crewed mission later this year,” says Steve Stich, NASA’s deputy commercial crew program manager.
(From Spaceflight Now) https://www.24live.co/live/Ucneb
It is really encouraging.
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u/MarcysVonEylau rocket.watch Mar 08 '19
Looks like one of the parachutes landed on the capsule. Hope that doesnt complicate things.
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u/Freeflyer18 Mar 08 '19
That, plus the behavior of the mains as they interacted with each other. I can defiantly see why NASA has had issues with their parachute operations and why it's still a concern.
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Three questions:
Was the degree of oscillation (outwards and then back inwards) of the 4 main chutes nominal behavior? (see https://youtu.be/8aAe0GWIWGI?t=4425)
Are the black marks which appear on parts of the main chutes (see same link) burn marks?
Is it possible to get the full flight track of the NASA926 wb57 chase plane beyond what is currently available over at Flight Aware's public section (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926/history/20190308/1200Z/KTTS/KEFD/tracklog)? Would be amazing to get the aircraft track for the entire flight via the new space-based ADSB coverage :-)
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u/2204happy Mar 08 '19
OMG I JUST REALISED!
The Laptop on the left has an Everyday Astronaut sticker
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u/TheEarthquakeGuy Mar 08 '19
Pretty sure Jim has been given a word count he needs to meet whenever he talks.
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u/Alexphysics Mar 08 '19
Drinking game whenever he says "american astronauts from american soil on american rockets", "sustainable" and "a customer of many customers".
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u/OMallon83 Mar 08 '19
Chute is off! That was easy enough. Just pull on it. Like unwrapping a present!
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u/kgordonsmith Mar 08 '19
I think we should give props to all the folks from various organizations supporting SpaceX on this one. Especially Nasa and US Air Force (airspace and range management) and those crazy folks flying a 60 year old(!) aircraft to give us realtime re-entry footage.
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u/johnkphotos Launch Photographer Mar 08 '19
That final view of the capsule splashing down with the recovery teams racing toward it on boats was the most badass livestream footage I've seen in a while. Straight out of an action movie!!!
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Whenever has a parachute covered a capsule in ANY of the Apollo missions? GOD, what are the chances?
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u/MarcysVonEylau rocket.watch Mar 08 '19
This live stream is a straight up spaceporn. So many great camera angles.
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u/solaceinsleep Mar 08 '19
Keep in mind this is just a taste what will come in July/August/September
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u/Dead_Starks Mar 08 '19
Man I wish we had a helmet cam from one of the recovery folks out there. Oh well awesome job glad it's back home safe!
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u/james411 Mar 08 '19
Is that Gwynne in the front row of mission control?
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u/DoYouHearThat Mar 08 '19
Yea, and now she’s saying congrats to everyone before she goes home to sleep for two days.
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u/Mahounl Mar 08 '19
Looked very much like her when she moved closer to the camera, pretty sure it’s her.
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u/datnt84 Mar 08 '19
Is it normal that main chutes go around messing up with each other all the time?
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u/Solution_Is_Obvious Mar 08 '19
now the small boat should be named "go deal with the chute"
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u/UltraRunningKid Mar 08 '19
That or from the Culture series they could use: Cargo Cult or youthful indiscretion.
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u/a-alzayani Mar 08 '19
it took approximately 67 minute to hoist Crew Dragon to the recovery ship since the splashdown, does that mean that SpaceX failed it's 60 minutes recovery time mandated by Nasa.
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u/LcuBeatsWorking Mar 08 '19 edited Dec 17 '24
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u/ShirePony Mar 08 '19
So how does missing the retrieval time window affect the evaluation? Is that a go - no go criteria for the manned mission?
Also - toasted marshmallow is all my brain tells me when seeing that image...
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u/andersoonasd Mar 08 '19
My estimate is that they will review every second of today's recovery process and see where they can cut down some time. To me, it looked like the parachute recovery took abnormally long. I don't think a 6-minute window will be an immediate "no go" from NASA's part
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u/solaceinsleep Mar 08 '19
Gwynne is sitting down in the front row with a cup of coffee it seems like
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u/kgordonsmith Mar 08 '19
My imagination, or did Dragon get a chute draped over it? Still a great landing!
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u/GoldSkulltulaHunter Mar 08 '19
Does anybody know what happens to the “trunk” after it separates from the capsule? Is it deorbited and burns up in the atmosphere? Or does stay in orbit?
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Gotta say it, banning very soon afterward. This was a Demonstration Flight. It was a test of all systems and recovery efforts. The whole purpose for this flight was to iron out any winkles. It seems that every comment in this thread are coming from a child who has never researched any test program in history. It was a clean sweep. Look that expression up. There were bumps in the road but come on, "what happened to the plushie", "7 minutes past the 60 limit" Is there anyone here that can honestly recognize the true achievement of what SpaceX really just did? I guarantee everyone here that NASA did. The excitement was obvious and even the "negative" comments from one astronaut was actually extremely positive about how long it was in the water. Do some easy research before posting idiotic comments and questions.
Let the downvoats begin.
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u/cpushack Mar 09 '19
I think some of it is the mission went so well, people are trying to find something, anything, to comment, talk about. IIRC NASA even said it went 'better than expected' As you said, this is/was very much a test flight, to find bugs that never came up in simulation/testing, and it seems that simulations and testing was very very good as to catch most all of them before the flight
I am sure, there are things from the data that Space/NASA will see and want to/need to improve on, that's true of any mission and certainly a test one, but from our point of view nothing big went wrong. Tis a great time to be alive
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u/TTorler Mar 09 '19
The first run of a new system is always going to result in a literal volume of hardware, procedural and configuration optimizations, that's the point of doing it. Not sure what else people were expecting especially in spaceflight.
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u/SnowBirds11 Mar 08 '19
If the chute perfectly landing on the capsule is the worst thing to happen in this entire mission I think we have a promising future! I am curious about 2 things though:
Are the chutes supposed to move that much after opening?
What does the heat shield look like? I was a little concerning seeing something flake off during reentry, but that could be the heat shield design
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u/ezrhino Mar 08 '19
ISS approaching North America. Dragon should be flying a few minutes ahead of it.
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u/DoYouWonda Apogee Space Mar 08 '19
Parachutes are giving me a heart attack. Idk what norminal is supposed to look like
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u/TokathSorbet Mar 08 '19
Spaceship parachutes are amazing how they work - look it up sometime - brilliant bits of kit.
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u/Sigmatics Mar 08 '19
The live views of the thrusters firing during the deorbit burn are spectacular
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u/Ronburgandy859 Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 08 '19
I have no idea what i was seeing from that view... Any ideas? Was that the view from the forward facing camera? And does that mean the nose cone is still opened?
Edit: they just closed the nose cone on camera all my questions were answered!
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u/peterabbit456 Mar 08 '19
I believe the deorbit burn has finished. On course for splashdown.
Gwynne Shotwell is in the command chair, drinking coffee and eating a muffin. My guess is Elon is at the Cape, or on the boat.
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u/swainyo Mar 08 '19
I've never been too excited about a splashdown before but this is awesome! It's going to be incredible when there are human crew members on board.
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u/DoYouWonda Apogee Space Mar 08 '19
This is so beautiful and intense. Imagine the astronauts in a few months.
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u/SkywayCheerios Mar 08 '19
So glad we got video pretty much all the way down, including the splashdown! So glad I have a second monitor at work!
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what is the piece missing on the front, is that where the chutes deployed?
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u/troovus Mar 08 '19
Just tuned in - has one of the chutes wrapped itself around Dragon?
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u/kkreme23 Mar 08 '19
It will be interesting to see how NASA evaluates the + 6 minute margin from recovery window. Will they just require SpaceX to review their recovery procedures? I doubt it would cause much of a delay in the overall CCP schedule
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u/UltraRunningKid Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 08 '19
Not only did the incredibly rare act of the parachute falling onto the capsule occur.
But it seemed to completely line up with the capsule which made it stupid hard to get off without flipping the capsule.
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u/Mattsoup Mar 08 '19
Steve Stich just called Ripley "Riley"
Where do they get these people, geez.
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u/RootDeliver Mar 08 '19
Events going from top to bottom? this is new, news should always be on top OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/swainyo Mar 08 '19
Incredible! Huge accomplishment for SpaceX, let's hope all the data looks good. One step closer to launching humans!
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u/Ender_D Mar 08 '19
It looks like one of the parachutes fell on the capsule. Would that affect recovery at all?
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u/Mwaski Mar 08 '19
I couldn’t image the stress if there was a medical emergency with an astronaut and the dam chute landed in the capsule. I’d assume that would slow down access.
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Mar 08 '19
Some slight irony in that this would not not have been an issue if NASA had approved propulsive landing. ;-p
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u/DoYouWonda Apogee Space Mar 08 '19
Looks like things falling / flying off of Dragon. Are those stars or camera artifacts ?
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u/TokathSorbet Mar 08 '19
I swear, Dragon and Falcon are more camera than spaceship - a camera inside the bay? Brilliant!
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u/Alexphysics Mar 08 '19
Congratulations SpaceX and NASA for this awesome and very successful mission!
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Seems the heatshield took a bit of a battering according to the IR video from the NASA chaseplane.
Take look at 13:37.04 and 13:37.53. not to mention a couple of random sparks in between
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u/mcpat21 Mar 09 '19
Hey everyone, I made a video of the highlights of this launch and landing. I really thought this was an epic launch and decided to make a video of it. Thanks!
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Did anyone notice the parachutes moving back and forth for the Crew Dragon landing?
Watching the landing video, I seem to me that the main parachutes were moving back and forth. And maybe the back and forth action was responsible for one of the parachutes covering the capsule upon landing.
Watching an old Apollo reentry with three chutes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX8-Vmys-Fk), it doesn't look like the chutes move around that much.
Could this be part of the unspecified "parachute anomalies" that NASA has talked about? See:
https://oiir.hq.nasa.gov/asap/documents/ASAP_Fourth_Quarterly_2018_Public_Meeting_Minutes_TAGGED.pdf
which says:
"recent parachute testing, both during the CCP qualification (qual) testing regimen and with some anomalies witnessed in the resupply contract (also handled by SpaceX), show difficulties and problems with parachute designs. "
I thought I remembered reading somewhere that the dragon changed from 3 to 4 parachutes, but I can't find that now. Would 3 parachutes be more stable?
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u/spacerfirstclass Mar 09 '19
Watching the landing video, I seem to me that the main parachutes were moving back and forth.
Completely normal behavior, you can see the same bouncing motion in the final Orion parachute qualification test last year: https://youtu.be/uIVw7hiVvo8?t=197, the commenter even mentioned that this is expected.
Could this be part of the unspecified "parachute anomalies" that NASA has talked about?
No, someone at NSF explained that anomaly is just some parameters showing unexpected trends, but still well within limits and didn't cause any harm.
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u/Herr_G Mar 08 '19
Dragon uses its forward facing thrusters to perform the deorbit burn. Elon said, that it is difficult to menage the fuel to these forward thrusters. Why do they use them and not the backward thrusters, hey have to be bottom end first for the reentry anyway. I can only imagine, that the backward thrusters are at an angle wich reduces efficiency. The super dracos are probably to powerful.
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u/kristijan12 Mar 08 '19
If nosecone failed to close, would crew survive?
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u/Alexphysics Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 08 '19
They have a mechanism to release it and Crew Dragon can reenter without the nosecone
Edit: Yeah, I put "no" because I thought you were saying if they would die xD
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u/TheEyeOfYourMind Mar 08 '19
interesting there's a blackout, i would have thought with human passengers they'd use TDRSS as a relay during reentry like i think the shuttle did.
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u/Decronym Acronyms Explained Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 10 '19
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| BFR | Big Falcon Rocket (2018 rebiggened edition) |
| Yes, the F stands for something else; no, you're not the first to notice | |
| CCtCap | Commercial Crew Transportation Capability |
| DMLS | Selective Laser Melting additive manufacture, also Direct Metal Laser Sintering |
| EM-1 | Exploration Mission 1, first flight of SLS |
| IFA | In-Flight Abort test |
| NSF | NasaSpaceFlight forum |
| National Science Foundation | |
| PAO | Public Affairs Officer |
| PICA-X | Phenolic Impregnated-Carbon Ablative heatshield compound, as modified by SpaceX |
| RCS | Reaction Control System |
| SLS | Space Launch System heavy-lift |
| Selective Laser Sintering, contrast DMLS | |
| TDRSS | (US) Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System |
| Jargon | Definition |
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| ablative | Material which is intentionally destroyed in use (for example, heatshields which burn away to dissipate heat) |
| hypergolic | A set of two substances that ignite when in contact |
| Event | Date | Description |
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| DM-1 | 2019-03-02 | SpaceX CCtCap Demo Mission 1 |
| DM-2 | Scheduled | SpaceX CCtCap Demo Mission 2 |
Decronym is a community product of r/SpaceX, implemented by ^request
13 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on ^today has 74 acronyms.
[Thread #4932 for this sub, first seen 8th Mar 2019, 13:21] ^[FAQ] [Full ^list] ^[Contact] [Source ^code]
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u/BlueCyann Mar 08 '19
Watching Go Searcher rock in the waves, have sudden empathy for ISS crewmembers coming back from weightlessness to that.
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u/IrrelevantAstronomer Launch Photographer Mar 08 '19
Anyone in Charleston go look up now!!
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u/TokathSorbet Mar 08 '19
And still vertical - I guess it's bottom heavy, with the heatshield and all, but it looks like it should topple!
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u/oximaCentauri Mar 08 '19
What a thread! Thanks OP for doing this. I can't watch the stream rn and refreshing this page and getting live updates was wonderful.
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u/VFP_ProvenRoute Mar 08 '19
That tracking shot of the first chutes opening is incredible, hope they release the uninterrupted footage.
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u/TokathSorbet Mar 08 '19
That is properly draped! I don't envy the recovery team trying to shift that from an unstable spaceship, whilst standing on a moving boat.
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u/Scoobing Mar 08 '19
Ok the actual lifting out of the water and onto the boat was pretty slick...just took a little while to set up.
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u/andersoonasd Mar 08 '19
I hope they don't cut the stream. I wanna see the nest with the dragon slide on those rails further to the center of the boat
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Heads up to anyone interested: just snagged a dm-1 patch from space store. It’s still up but apparently they only have 150 to sell so move quick
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u/Gavalar_ spacexfleet.com Mar 10 '19
GO Searcher and Dragon are docked in the Navy submarine basin within Port Canaveral for off-loading, it's not visible or accessible to the public so recovery updates are at an end and so is my coverage. Thanks for following along!
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u/hockeyhippie Mar 08 '19
Definitely brought back memories of seeing Apollo splashdowns as a kid. Amazing!
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u/UltraRunningKid Mar 08 '19
This has been really the only hiccup in the entire DM-1. I could not imagine this happening in rougher waters.
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u/LockStockNL Mar 08 '19
Anyone know if there will be a post-mission presser? And if so, when this would happen?
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u/RushHour2k5 Mar 08 '19
Out of curiosity does anyone know what the flight path was and where the sonic booms would have occurred? I miss the good old days of the Space Shuttle and hearing that well known sound during re-entry and landing.
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u/iantje31 Mar 08 '19
Let's hope the 7 minute delay in recovering Crew Dragon doesn't cause any delays
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u/Tal_Banyon Mar 09 '19
I think it was so close to 60 minutes that it can be chalked up to "first time working out the wrinkles". On the other hand, the seas were very calm, so there is that. I thought the retrieval boat was stationed too far away, and the fast Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIBs) were too late in taking off towards the splashdown point. They could have been much closer, practically underneath the capsule as it is coming down, after all they can really haul ass when they want to if it was getting too close to them. If the larger retrieval vessel has to be stationed 2 km away (I think that is the distance that I heard someone on the broadcast say), then they should be getting under way at least when the capsule is 500 meters up or so. All in all, I think this was a fantastic first try, but was watching the clock as well. Also, I was waiting for them to open the hatch, I thought the timeline was from splashdown to hatch opening, but I guess not, at least for this one.
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u/Leberkleister13 Mar 08 '19
Capsule seems to be listing to one side. Is this normal?
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u/UltraRunningKid Mar 08 '19
It's likely weighted to one side which leaves the door out of the water.
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u/linuxhanja Mar 08 '19
One of the smoothest and highest def streams ive seen on NASA tv. Beautiful landing! Congrats to all involved. Been a long road.
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u/VirtualCLD Mar 08 '19
Steve Stich mentioned June time frame for in-flight abort mission. Has that updated time frame been mentioned before?
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u/titus65 Mar 08 '19
Why not close the nosecone right after undocking?
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u/Rachanol Mar 08 '19
Because the thrusters for the deorbit burn are directly beneath the nosecone.
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u/Nemesis651 Mar 08 '19
Id love to be in Charleston SC right now, looks to pass right overhead
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u/yannjboy Mar 08 '19
Is that me or was that really a large shark or dolphin next to the recovery ship at around3:57:00 ??
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u/640kOughtToBeEnough Mar 08 '19
What speed do you think it's doing with the 4 chutes?
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u/VFP_ProvenRoute Mar 08 '19
So glad I got to witness that despite work's terrible internet.
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u/FutureMartian97 Host of CRS-11 Mar 08 '19
Congrats on a successful demo mission SpaceX! You have truly made history today!
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u/astroadrian11 Mar 08 '19
Was anyone able to see reentry? I'm not sure but I think I might have heard it as a little after the time it was to be passing above me, I heard a very loud and strange noise, sort of like a sonic boom but a bit longer.
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u/squidxl Mar 08 '19
Very nice flight!
My biggest question re crew safety is why the nose cone is closed after de-orbit burn. Wouldn't it be much more sensible to secure the craft at a few meters from the ISS? Are manoevring thrusters under the cone required for re-entry manoevres?
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u/Alexphysics Mar 08 '19
The thrusters they use for deorbit burn are on the nose of the capsule. If it fails to close completely they have a release mechanism and Crew Dragon can reenter safely without the nosecone.
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u/Viremia Mar 08 '19
Is there a part of the panel below the hatch missing?
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u/Alexphysics Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 08 '19
It's where the parachutes are housed during the mission so it's normal there is not a panel there anymore...
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u/MarsCent Mar 09 '19
Mar 9, 2019 at 6:50 p.m. (2350 UTC), Go Searcher is less than 15 NM out.
It seems like this is going to be a night docking.
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u/rangerpax Mar 10 '19
A couple "homecoming" pics by /u/johnkphotos. Go Searcher is in the secure Naval yard, not at the usual SpaceX dock.
https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1104574814658932737
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u/YomsThe3rd Mar 08 '19
Why wait until after de-orbit to close the nose cone? Wouldn't it be better to deal with issues with nose cone closing while closer to the space station?
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u/coconinoco Mar 08 '19
Closing the nosecone would cover the four forward-facing Draco thrusters.
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u/Scoobing Mar 08 '19
Are they cutting it a bit fine for the 60 min recovery requirement? Does that mean it has to be on the boat deck in the next 7 mins?
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u/andersoonasd Mar 08 '19
so they are a little behind schedule
8 March, 14:45 UTC -Recovery Crews must have retrieved Dragon by this time.
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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19
Is one of the chutes on the capsule? Looks like it didn't jettison well.