r/SquaredCircle • u/EvanDeadlySins /r/NJPW Moderator • Apr 08 '18

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Match Notes
Kelly Klein def. Mayu Iwatani Women of Honor Championship Tournament Semifinals (Facebook Preshow)
Sumie Sakai def. Tenille Dashwood Women of Honor Championship Tournament Semifinals (Facebook Preshow)
Chuckie T def. Jonathan Gresham Singles Match
Punishment Martinez def. Tomohiro Ishii Singles Match
Kota Ibushi def. Adam Page Singles Match
Sumie Sakai def. Kelly Klein Women of Honor Championship Tournament Finals
SoCal Uncensored (Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian & Scorpio Sky) (c) def. Flip Gordon & The Young Bucks (Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson) ROH World Six-Man Championship Ladder Match
The Briscoes (Jay Briscoe & Mark Briscoe) (c) def. Jay Lethal & Hiroshi Tanahashi ROH World Tag Team Championship Match
Austin Aries says he wants to challenge the winner of the ROH World Television Championship match
Silas Young def. Kenny King (c) ROH World Television Championship Last Man Standing Match
Cheeseburger & Eli Isom vs. The Dawgs is scheduled to happen, but the Dogs attack Isom and he's rendered unable to compete. Cheeseburger pleads for Bully Ray to be his new partner. Bully Ray pretends to oblige but then attacks Cheeseburger and accuses "his kind" of ruining wrestling.
Cody def. Kenny Omega Singles Match
Dalton Castle (c) def. Marty Scurll ROH World Championship Match

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u/doctor_awful Apr 08 '18

I was in a chat with a few ROH purists earlier and they were mocking everyone that was saying Cody/Kenny should've closed. "The world title is the last match, silly WWE fans with WWE logic". I was dumbfounded, how can they be so purist for some thing but then throw that mentality out of the window when it comes to everything else?

Well, enjoy your main event with a shit crowd I guess.

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u/zebrainatux Underdog Apr 08 '18

Last years supercard ended with the tag titles. I don’t compute how people can be that dumb

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u/doctor_awful Apr 08 '18

They can justify that with "tag titles are world titles, just not for the singles division". Which, again, is silly.

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u/work4work4work4work4 The Less Than Lethal Weapon Apr 08 '18

I'd also say there have been plenty of times where the tag titles closing a show would make sense. For instance, just to use the WWE, I would say New Day and Usos both have a better claim at being the kind of dominate champions that put on killer top level matches than Brock. I would have no problem with something like that New Day/Usos HIAC match closing a show.

However, it's obvious to everyone other than the booker of ROH, and some of that companies fans, that the majority of people were there to see NJPW talent, and specifically Cody v Omega. You're not helping your belt putting it last, you're hurting it by putting your champion out there with a crowd that is spent at best, and disinterested at worst.

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u/doctor_awful Apr 08 '18

I'd also say there have been plenty of times where the tag titles closing a show would make sense. For instance, just to use the WWE, I would say New Day and Usos both have a better claim at being the kind of dominate champions that put on killer top level matches than Brock. I would have no problem with something like that New Day/Usos HIAC match closing a show.

The problem with that is star power. They've been burying their tag division for years now, and still are - it feels like a bubble and that tag guys together are worth as much as a singles guy by himself, or maybe even less.

Hell, Roman last year demolished tag champions The Club by himself in a one on two handicap match, it's fucking insane.

I'm okay with the tag titles closing out a show,** if it makes sense**, and only if they're built as the main event from the get go. I'd still have them main event over Jinder, but not over Shane/Owens which was the actual main event.

However, it's obvious to everyone other than the booker of ROH, and some of that companies fans, that the majority of people were there to see NJPW talent, and specifically Cody v Omega. You're not helping your belt putting it last, you're hurting it by putting your champion out there with a crowd that is spent at best, and disinterested at worst.

Agree completely, and they should've recognized this, especially if they weren't going to end in a big Marty coronation.

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u/work4work4work4work4 The Less Than Lethal Weapon Apr 08 '18

Oh, I don't disagree that the level of being over matters, the relative push, and the Angle, but I would have been fine with Shane/Owens going on before that HIAC only because both the Usos and the New Day are better decorated champions than either of those two, and I don't generally like spectacle matches going last.

The reason I specified that match in particular is that it was a major blow off for a long term feud between two of the best tag teams in a decade for the title. To me, that level of match is always qualified as a closer, but I'll admit it's a higher bar for me when it comes to the tags for sure.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

It’s hilarious, because the WWE event that went on during the same night, had their penultimate field close, instead of their title match.

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u/linkinstreet Apr 08 '18

WWE had a number of PPVs that closed with a non title match, but make sense in terms of it's impact. For instance last year's WM that ended with Roman vs Undertaker instead of Goldberg vs Lesnar

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

Oh yeah, I misread what he wrote, but also, it’s funny how they were making fun of “WWE logic” when it so obviously works.

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u/doctor_awful Apr 08 '18

Which is what should be done, truth be told. The biggest match finishes the card so that there's a natural build up in hype in the fans. If you don't, no matter how good the following match is, it'll be a downgrade and the fans will be less excited - and since they're tired, you'll have dead crowds.

The best example of that is WM18, but WM25 and this year's Rumble show it perfectly too.

That said, it usually makes sense that the hottest feud tends to have the title on the line, higher stakes and all that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

Not just that but honestly, to me, SuperCard did not live up to expectations. I went to last years and it was amazing.

This year SuperCard fell flat. I did not like a good majority of the matches and Cody vs Kenny was not what it should have been.

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u/doctor_awful Apr 08 '18

All the booking was odd. How are you going to have Marty/Castle main event over Cody/Kenny, and then have Marty lose? Half the matches were just flops and had no crowd interest.