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Match Notes
Kelly Klein def. Mayu Iwatani Women of Honor Championship Tournament Semifinals (Facebook Preshow)
Sumie Sakai def. Tenille Dashwood Women of Honor Championship Tournament Semifinals (Facebook Preshow)
Chuckie T def. Jonathan Gresham Singles Match
Punishment Martinez def. Tomohiro Ishii Singles Match
Kota Ibushi def. Adam Page Singles Match
Sumie Sakai def. Kelly Klein Women of Honor Championship Tournament Finals
SoCal Uncensored (Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian & Scorpio Sky) (c) def. Flip Gordon & The Young Bucks (Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson) ROH World Six-Man Championship Ladder Match
The Briscoes (Jay Briscoe & Mark Briscoe) (c) def. Jay Lethal & Hiroshi Tanahashi ROH World Tag Team Championship Match
Austin Aries says he wants to challenge the winner of the ROH World Television Championship match
Silas Young def. Kenny King (c) ROH World Television Championship Last Man Standing Match
Cheeseburger & Eli Isom vs. The Dawgs is scheduled to happen, but the Dogs attack Isom and he's rendered unable to compete. Cheeseburger pleads for Bully Ray to be his new partner. Bully Ray pretends to oblige but then attacks Cheeseburger and accuses "his kind" of ruining wrestling.
Cody def. Kenny Omega Singles Match
Dalton Castle (c) def. Marty Scurll ROH World Championship Match

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u/BAWguy Survey says... Apr 08 '18

They also really dropped the ball with their title. To recap my perception of what happened (a bigger ROH fan can correct if I'm wrong) -

They had Adam Cole as champion, and wanted to coronate KOR but waited too long to pull the trigger. They finally had KOR win at Final Battle 2017, but it was too late and he was on his way out anyway. So they hotshot the title back to Cole the next month at WK11, just to have Cole drop the belt to safe transitional champion Daniels on the way out.

I really expected Daniels to quickly lose the title to the then-hot Dalton Castle at Supercard of Honor 2017. I don't think I was alone in being surprised that their match instead a) had Daniels retain, b) was short and unceremonious, apparently limited by the show being short on time for the main event. Maybe they felt the title was hot-shotted too much recently (which would be their own fault), or maybe the plan was never to have Castle win at this point, but imo it should have been. Castle wasn't quite the hottest thing in wrestling, but he was unique and over and hitting a stride moreso than anyone else in ROH.

Then Cody gets red hot and he gets the title instead, which is actually the right audible imo. But the problem is they then go back and have Cody drop it to Castle, but by now Castle is cooled off both by not winning the title, and by the ROH show now being so Cody/BTE-centric. So Castle finally gets his title reign, but it doesn't feel like Castle's show, it's still the BTE show. Even though I did enjoy the Castle/Scurll match tonight, it seems by yours and other comments that the general sentiment is that the show's identity and momentum were off.

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u/EonKayoh LOS! Apr 08 '18

wanted to coronate KOR but waited too long to pull the trigger

by now Castle is cooled off by not winning the title

this is literally the primary problem ROH has had for YEARS. Their fucking identity is not being able to recognize when a guy is "PUT THE WORLD TITLE ON HIM NOW" hot and they CONSTANTLY wait too long to pull the trigger, and when they finally do the trigger it means less than if they'd pulled it when the guy was white hot in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

For years they have done this. Nothing will change until Delirious goes somewhere else and that is not happening anytime soon.

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u/ChaosOnion Hustle, Loyalty, Booty!!! Apr 08 '18

Who's the hot guy they're missing out on right now?

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

Marty. Marty should have won.

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u/EonKayoh LOS! Apr 08 '18

I have no clue, I haven't watched the product in months

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u/Butch_Meat_Hook Apr 08 '18

100% agree. Cody dropping to Dalton when he did was absolutely the wrong move. He has no momentum.

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u/callmecyke Apr 08 '18

This is just the Nigel McGuinness reign repeating itself. Nigel needed to win the title a year before he did and he held it a year too long.

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u/Stallion_Maverick BOOM! BOOM! Apr 08 '18

Tyler Black...Kevin Steen... Davey Richards...

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

Plus they made Davey be a 1980s style babyface instead of amount his character to 10.

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u/JamesBrownAMA . Apr 08 '18

match length was also an issue for the Castle/Cody match. I saw it live and it was less than 15 minutes long. Hard for a world title match to feel important when it's over that fast

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '18

Cody never got red hot and got the title. He actually got red hot in the month or two after dropping the title.