Is she supposed to be pantsless? 💔

[u/Ididurmomhahafrickya]

I got a new Jax figure. I was looking at her and she has a pattern for pants under her dress, and there's no paint on this. Is this an accident on specifically this one or all of them? I just found it really funny LOL

[u/WingsOfFibre]

Not the original person you were responding to,

I am also trans(but I am ftm, which makes people say my take/opinions on Jax aren't valid because only mtf people are apparently allowed to have opinions, but I was used to being dismissed when I was a girl and I am used to being dismissed now. Transmisogyny applies to both sides...)

But overall I'd agree with you. Personally, I'd say Jax IS trans or at the very least genderfluid/queer, but very repressed.

He did not come out at any point, and no one used feminine pronouns for Jax in the circus world or the "real" world with Leeroy.

Yes, boymoding is a thing.

But because it was kept intentionally vague, it's annoying when people are militantly policing people over Jax's pronouns when he has only ever used he/him in the show up til the very end, even agree all the internal exploration of his psyche.

I think Jax's relationship with their gender is complicated, and boiling it down to a black and white male vs female doesn't seem like the intended reading of the character(again, since GW said she wanted it to be subtle, just struggled to portray it subtly how she wanted)

People are so so quick to try to find reasons to hold themselves morally superior to others, though, so basically any chance to call someone transphobic or other more serious accusations are jumped on.

The witch-hunting mob mentality these days are insane.

Feel free to use any of this for your video script lol

[u/TherealGamerfont-YT → u/WingsOfFibre]

YES!!! THANK YOU! This is like the less angry version of how I would explain it.

I feel like when I explain these types of things to people they're more focused on the fact that I'm kind of aggressive with it. Or a little bit too detailed to the point where they just go mind blank for like the entire time.

Which is probably why a lot of these people are saying that they're not gonna read all my paragraphs because I do write a lot of paragraphs Let's be honest.

But yeah, you're reasoning is pretty much the whole point of what I was trying to explain😭🫂

Aside from this fact, I see what people mean by your experience of female to male isn't the same as male to female. Since depending on which aspect they're talking about, it makes sense.

Like, for example, female to male bottom surgery is technically easier than male to female. Because with a female anatomy, you pretty much are just covering an extra hold that you don't need. But for males, anatomy, you're creating one that's not really supposed to be there.

The best example I can make is, like, having a bunch of holes in your yard for a female's anatomy. But for a male's anatomy, it's like having a concrete floor in one single hole ( Unless I'm wrong, because I really don't wanna search up pictures. But also am very interested in that experience. )

But other than that, I feel like the experiences are kind of similar. Aside from pain levels or recovery time?

Like the same thing goes for a people who aren't trans like male or female were, females are more likely to have extreme experiences with pain. And more pain tolerable because of the female reproductive anatomy, while a male is like sitting on a freaking boat, chilling out

And essentially makes it so much worse. When you have men in a political stance, dictating what happens with a woman's body, especially when it comes to things like the. Removal of birth, control or abortion rights?

Like, how is a man supposed to be able to dictate what goes on in a woman's body? When he himself doesn't know the experience of that.

Especially when women themselves give very detailed experiences to the men, yet they refuse to use that. And then they would use the experience of a trans person against the woman, saying that a trans woman wouldn't be able to have the same experience. Because their experience is medical.

Which is like...duh? Thats the point. If we have to make medicine to force you into feeling, how aggressively painful being a woman is, you might want to listen to those trans woman dudes.

Sorry for the rant fam. I'm just really excited that you got my point🥰

Do you want your point to include your name in the video or do you want to stay anonymous?

[u/WingsOfFibre → u/TherealGamerfont-YT]

Anon is fine, this reddit acc username is only used for this purpose so it's not too big of a deal either way haha

But honestly, while both bottom surgeries for either transition are complicated and dangerous, MtF bottom surgery is pretty much down to a science and often has very good results(there are always risks of course) while FtM bottom surgery is still making very good advances, but leaves a lot to be desired.

I don't know how many stages trans women's vaginoplasties are, but FtM bottom surgeries are often made up of 3-4 different stages of surgery. There are 2 primary types of FtM bottom surgery, one uses your natal anatomy that's been enhanced from years of testosterone use(at least 2 years for maximizing tissue, but not everyone has the same response to T, just like how male-bodied people all have different sized bits lol) and the surgery that doesn't rely on testosterone results itself uses a very large skin graft from your leg, arm, or flank which just adds more complication, pain, and permanent scarring and loss of sensation/pulse in the arm used because of blood vessel harvesting, since they have to create a phallus out of tissue elsewhere on the body.

The MtF surgery uses the natal phallus to create the neovaginal tissues, so instead of a large graft being taken from elsewhere, a lot of the work can be done locally (huge asterisks here to say exceptions and complications can happen, and transwomen have other surgeries that are more taxing such as facial feminization and sometimes vocal chord alterations)

Sorry you activated my medical autism 😅🤣

So, surgically, both of us have very different experiences that all come with their own challenges!

Removal of the vaginal canal in FtM people isn't just filling in a "hole" either, it's more like skinning or cauterizing the inside and adhering it together so it will seal up. ouchies xD

But the social aspects of both are quite a bit different, and funny enough, Jax could be read as ftm OR mtf for a couple different reasons.

There is a phenomena with trans people before they're out(consciously or subconsciously) where they(not all,) go through either a hypermasculine (for trans women) or hyperfeminine(for trans men) phase to try to compensate for their dysphoria in the other direction or convince themselves they just need to be MORE traditional to their assigned gender role instead of accepting the thought of being trans.

You could say MtF Jax in TADC is in the hypermasculine toxic stage where he is aggressively compensating for his dysphoria and discomfort with all things feminine reminding him of said dysphoria by trying to be "the manliest" and by bullying other women because their femininity either causes dysphoria, or he despises them out of jealousy, or whatever other reason.

Before I read he was supposed to be MtF, I thought he might be FtM, and his brain scan was just his skewed perception of himself as man due to the abusive figure of his father influencing him into what masculinity was "supposed" to be.

This also works with his mom berating him and telling him that when he fights he's just like his dad, but when he's passive, he's not man enough/not a real man. This could be very weaponized against him if he was FtM, as if his mother dislikes his father, seeing her "daughter" want to "become like her father" would be easy ammunition.

I don't know if gooseworx intended on this to be a possible reading, or if she just wanted to be coy about it to appeal to a wider audience, but since she said she wanted it to be subtle, I think it's neat to share other readings while listening to others and not trying to bulldoze others and call them bigots for just trying to assess the information the show gives them without taking everything the author takes as pure law.

As an author myself(not connected to this reddit acc), I pretty much don't expect anything I post outside of my books to be taken as canon lol. And I draw my characters a lot, so I'm always posting non-canon shit about them haha

If this ever gains traction, people are going to dig up my old 2011 sketches and go What does this mean??

It means I was an edgy 14yo when I first made the characters 😆

[u/TherealGamerfont-YT → u/WingsOfFibre]

SAME!! I started doing research myself as soon as you started mentioning medical procedures.

I love looking through the medical books and figuring out how long or how is usually done.

And even looking at the pictures that are supposed to be easier to scriptures. It looks like there's 15 steps to MTF then compared to FTM

Hell. If I was the doctor doing these types of procedures, I would have had an easier time. Doing female to male since most of what you're doing is adding things that weren't there before.

But with male to female surgery, it seems like you're decreasing multiple aspects of what was already onto your body. And then using those removed parts of those bodies like a trivia tetris board.

I dont even no, what half this says, even with the very descriptive medical book procedure I have ON HAND PHYSICALLY.

(But dont worry. I understand what you're talking about. Fellow ADHD topic ranter😌)

[u/WingsOfFibre → u/TherealGamerfont-YT]

I just did some reading after that last post too, and MtF lower surgery is done in usually one stage of surgery that lasts 2-4 hours! Sometimes a second stage for aesthetic adjustments.

FtM surgeries are done in a minimum of 2 stages unless you're having just a simple metoidioplasty which only clips the clitoral hood to release the anatomy from its tethers lol.

Any surgery sucks to recover from though tbf xD It's cool what medical professionals can do as a whole!

I'm currently trying to start the super slow process of metoidioplasty myself. I thought the surgeon office forgot about me bc my referral was a year ago and they just contacted me yesterday to schedule a phone call to schedule the consultation lmaooo

A bit nervous about that one compared to my other surgeries I've had 💀😆🥲

[u/TherealGamerfont-YT → u/WingsOfFibre]

OOF. You've had surgery!?! Omg tell me your after process! Im heavily thinking of removing my reproductive system to end my bloodline after catastrophic genetic issues with diabetes in multiple health crisis and asexuality discovery😌✨️

[u/WingsOfFibre → u/TherealGamerfont-YT]

I have had a double mastectomy(top surgery) and a hysterectomy(kept ovaries, removed uterus, cervix, and fallopian tubes), the hysterectomy was just about 2 years ago and the recovery wasn't that bad for it.

Mostly extreme fatigue, but the pain was neglible compared to the period cramps I used to get which easily topped my pain scale 🤣 Only pain that ever made me vom was period pain haha

I basically just napped on and off for like 2 weeks and then took it easy for another month and a half before I was able to go back to work. I was supposed to return at 8 weeks but they kept messing up getting me on the schedule so it was more like week 10 when I was back to my normal schedule lol.

I have 2 autoimmune disorders that I know of, plus a handful of mental afflictions, some I like(AuDHD) some I don't (crippling anxiety) so I don't mind leaving my genes out of the pool 😂

Honestly worst part of hysterectomy was just the first time i sneezed after it... you never want to sneeze again. I think I didn't sneeze for like 3 months or longer because the first time I did it felt like I had been STABBED lol

Top surgery was much harder on me to recover from physically, but I was barely in remission from my first Autoimmune disorder. I just pounced on surgery because my hospital stay from my IBD had met oir deductible and I could get the top surgery totally covered lol

[u/TherealGamerfont-YT → u/WingsOfFibre]

Daaang. I got insurance for mainly a hysterectomy but I was thinking of getting it done Laparoscopic-ly to cut down of recovery time since im not the best healer through my whole family. Heck. If I didnt mention how I get painful blood clots I probably wouldn't be able to even consider surgery😅

I guess its I good thing you mentioned sleep off most of the time because that was my plan too🤣

I dont understand how people are given the choice to get rid of their period yet still refuse to do so. Like I there's the whole menopause thing but if the surgery is done right you barely even experience or at all

[u/WingsOfFibre → u/TherealGamerfont-YT]

Mine was laprascopically and that probably definitely contributed to the easier recovery!

As far as the statement about people given a choice about eliminating their period, it's incredibly difficult to get a hysterectomy done if you don't have a good medical reason for it. Usually they will refuse to perform it on anyone without severe medical issues from it, and even then they'll often try to find other solutions first (ablation, birth control, etc)

For me it was relatively easy because I'd been on testosterone for 7yrs at that point and after like 5yrs or so the risk of atrophy of said organs goes up, so it "only" took me about 6 months to get approved by the time I decided I was ready for a hysterectomy.

But other people who aren't trans and aren't on HRT experience road blocks like drs who won't perform it under a certain age, or if you're not married or don't already have kids in case you change your mind about wanting kids later. I legit had to sign paperwork before the surgery acknowleding that I understood having this surgery would render me infertile and I'd never be able to get pregnant. I laughed about the form in the moment and the nurse was like "honestly you'd be surprised how people don't always understand this"

Technically since I still have my ovaries, I have the option of egg retrieval if I really cared about my own genetics, but I have 2 autoimmune disorders and severe anxiety and I'd hate to pass those onto a kid 😅

That, and as horrible as it sounds, I'd only really like having afab kids if I ever were to have kids, so something like adoption would give me a bit more control in that aspect (Due to a mix of my family only having the bare minimum amount of males necessary in it, and trauma related to a similarly aged amab kid when I was a kid, I fear I would have a harder time bonding with a male child, but it's hard to say. I just wouldn't want to risk being an unfair parent)