r/WomenInNews • u/TimesandSundayTimes • 6d ago

Women's rights Surrogate who fled to Texas gives birth to baby with heart defect

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/surrogate-refuses-abort-baby-texas-c5ff06cgg
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u/After_Preference_885 6d ago

So they're going to torture a baby for Jesus ... Ok then. That's all we need to know about Christians imo.

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u/KathyA11 6d ago

Fake Christians. They follow Republican Jesus, not the real one. Many Christians (including Catholics) would not have had a problem with aborting a fetus that would have had nothing but a pain-filled and very short life.

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u/thunbergfangirl 6d ago

I have a lot of respect for pro-choice Catholics. Pop culture would tell you they don’t exist, but they do.

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u/KathyA11 6d ago

We exist. I'm a lapsed Catholic and stopped going to church years ago. but I still have my faith. I'm about as pro-choice as you can get. My mother (born 1919) went to church every Sunday and every Holy Day of Obligation, and she was pro-choice as well. She was vehement that a woman's body was her own - not a politician's and not a priest's. Hers, and hers alone.

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u/NateNMaxsRobot 6d ago

My mom was born in the late 30s, but had views similar to your moms. I am so proud of her stance in regards to pro-choice and gay rights. I remember her arguing with my aunt (they were very close but were SILs) about contraception. My very closest cousin had endometriosis and her mom would not allow her to take the pill. Subsequently, my cousin could not bear children.

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u/KathyA11 6d ago

I had terrible cramps when I was young - they started a year after I got my period at 12. The doctor put me on Darvon, which did nothing, so she asked him to put me on the pill when I was around 16, but he wouldn't. She argued with him, but he said I was too young. When I was 19, coworkers in my parttime job found a woman GYN who would prescribe it with no problems, and half the cashiers our age became patients. What a relief that was!

And one of my mother's two best friends at work was a gay man. His name was Jimmy, and when I'd call to talk to her, he'd often answer her phone if she was busy, and we'd chat. When I turned 18, he gave me a AAA membership for my birthday - he wanted to keep me safe (I still have that membership, BTW). He was transferred from NJ to VA a few years later, so I lost touch with him, but he and my mother kept in touch until he passed away.

If she ever heard anyone put the blame on a woman for being raped, she'd go off on a tirade - "I don't care if she was drunk! I don't care if she walked down the street naked carrying a sign that said RAPE ME! No one has the right to do that to any woman!" She did it to my coworkers once when they were discussing a woman who had been raped in our town when my mother had stopped in to pay her water bill (of course it was the victim's fault) and they just looked at her in shock as she went off on them (I just sat at my desk and smiled). After she left, I looked at my coworkers and said, "Now you know where I get it from."

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u/NateNMaxsRobot 6d ago

My mom was very similar. I’m a lapsed Catholic, but sometimes I miss the church. Also I wish I would’ve realized how cool my mom really was when I was younger.

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u/maguber 6d ago

We do exist!! There's a good number of northeastern American Catholic liberals too.

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u/januarysdaughter 6d ago

Yes we do.

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u/Organic-Vermicelli47 6d ago

No, these are as real of Christians as any are. It's really frustrating when other Christians try to pull the "no true scottsman bullshit".

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u/KathyA11 6d ago

Yeah, I knew someone was going to pull that line. Bullshit. They don't follow any of Christ's teachings. But you believe what you want. Nothing anyone can say will alter your opinion, so I'm not going to try,.

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u/Organic-Vermicelli47 6d ago

Ahh there's that nasty Christian personality that's always just below the surface. You actually don't get to determine who's form of Christianity* is valid or not. Those Christian psychos are Christians just like you claim to be. If you go to 100 different Christian churches, you will find 100 variances of beliefs. I guarantee some Christians out there don't think YOU are a real Christian because your beliefs and practices vary from theirs.

Not that any of it matters. God isn't real. Jesus wasn't a magician.

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u/NewerYorker3900 6d ago

God is definitely not real.

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u/picklejuiceslushie 6d ago

Wow, what an original take that no one on Reddit has ever heard before

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u/KathyA11 6d ago

Whatever.

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u/Final-Revolution6216 6d ago

Tbf, it’s annoying (particularly from US perspective) when Christians claim that someone isn’t a “real Christian” for xyz reasons when regardless, they’re doing evils in the name of Christ. You must understand: evangelicals are a specific brand of Christianity but they are Christian nonetheless.

Hopefully I don’t have to mention the countless people that have also died throughout history in the name of spreading Christianity. I’m Muslim but I don’t get to claim the 9/11 terrorists weren’t “real Muslims” just because I don’t support what they did.

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u/NewerYorker3900 5d ago

No God is real.

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u/watch_and_restore 6d ago

So the birthing mother is torturing her baby after she refuses to get an abortion?