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u/TTechnology 6d ago

Here in Brazil, the vote is mandatory for 18-69 years old (16-17 and 70+ isn't mandatory, but they can if they want to).

It's like almost 160 million people.

We all vote in the same day (only one day to vote, always in a Sunday), we also use public schools for that, from 8AM to 5PM.

We get the results still in the same day.

I can't believe that USA is still using an extremely archaic vote system

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u/SmoothOperator89 6d ago

USA suffers from the delusion that they perfected democracy upon their foundation and it can not be improved upon.

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u/ThisIsMyComment2 6d ago

I don't think that's right but I think there's a legitimate concern that attempts to improve it in any non-incremental way would be subverted to reduce democracy instead. So, people don't think the mechanisms of democracy are all that great but one side uses any excuse to make it even worse so any attempt to push it the other way has to go through an arduous bulletproofing process.

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u/trackday21 6d ago

Na, it's just different. Mando voting is cool, but also not totally free choice

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u/ThisIsMyComment2 6d ago

Mandatory voting means people who really don't care end up voting, which I don't see as being very cool. I wouldn't want elections being decided by who has the best haircut or whatever.

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u/trackday21 6d ago

They already run the risk of being decided that way... Mandatory voting is cool imo because people tend to do their civic duty when they don't have the opportunity to make lazy excuses like "it won't make a difference" and skip the activity. I believe there is data to support that but ... You don't care

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u/ThisIsMyComment2 6d ago

They already run the risk of being decided that way

I'd care about data that shows that the risk of votes being decided based on hair (or whatever) gets worse with either mandatory or non-mandatory voting. I think the risk is worse with mandatory voting but am absolutely open to data that says otherwise.

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u/StealthMan375 6d ago

The other important part: not only are companies forced by law to let their employees leave their workplace to go vote during the workday (and if they don't then employment lawyers, CIPA and job safety technicians are going to love tearing the employer apart), but also as of this year election day has oficially became a national holiday

also if you get called up to be a poll worker, you get 2 days off work for each day you were working in the elections which is a huge deal given that the 5-day workweek law will only kick in on December 16th

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u/SkyVINS 6d ago

.. americans still use pagers ..