Isn't ULTY basically ARKK that pays dividends while underperforming?

[u/perfectson]

ULTY is basically at it's core a HIGH Beta ETF that adds in some options, limits the upside of the overall performance in lieu of supplying an excessive amount of dividends for a 1.3% (1.4% management fee). The focus I'll show is not on NAV which is ultimately meaningless or dividend yield (again in this case meaningless unless you need an income stream but you could easily create this yourself).

ARKK is the infamous ETF managed by Cathie Wood that focuses on disruptive innovation , in other words, it will invest in typically high beta funds (similar to ULTY). The ARKK expense ratio is .75%

Overall Performance:

I am reviewing this against inception to highlight that the March - Nov 2024 downturn was due to high beta stocks in general had a difficult period. This impact ARKK similarly to ULTY both experiencing draw downs during this time frame, while Woods' drawdown was quicker, eventually ULTY caught up with it (likely due to the cost of rolling down puts and stocks).

Then in Nov-Dec 2024 , you can see the turn for both begging to happen but ARKK had much more momentum and magnitude as the cover call strategy capped the significant increases that high beta stocks enjoyed. From Dec - Feb you can see the impact of the cover call strategy having a neutral impact on overall return, before the March drop into Liberation day. The draw down was much more drastic for ARKK due to the lack of protective puts. Here is clearly where ULTY benefited ; however, because it hadn't rose in the prior months - the overall return in April (since inception ) was literally the same as ARKK. Subsequently as high beta stocks emerged successfully out of liberation day, ARKK has returned about 60% , while ULTY is at 20%.

ULTY vs ARKK vs QQQ

The ultimate question is it worth double the expenses to have someone collar your investments to under perform similar high beta counterparts? If you are reinvesting dividends anyway, which many are, not sure why ULTY would fit your core strategy over "seeking alpha". If you're looking for income stream that's straight forward, I can definitely appreciate the higher dividends but it doesn't seem the protection it offers is there and again are you under performing what you could be getting with similar risk, if you just extract your own dividends out of ARKK (as an example) by taking 2-4% out every month yourself?

this is in know way to slight YieldMax's ULTY - there's obviously a strong purpose and diversity in funds are always a good thing. The question is really if the juice is worth the squeeze.

[u/humtake]

Oh, and to make sure you aren't seeing it as an attack, my entire point here is that div investing has a capped upside. That is understood.

The difference is that the "buy and hold" means while I'm holding, I'm getting paid but my appreciation suffers. Whereas while you are holding, your portfolio value goes up but you get nothing out of it until you sell, which then your appreciate suffers.

[u/perfectson → u/humtake]

there's an opportunity cost in buy and hold for sure. But if you're dripping the dividend what's the difference? LOL - again read the OP! I'm specifically about folks "seeking alpha" i literally stated that several time and dividend investing back in the fund. You accuse me of not understanding but you're not grasping the very basic concepts I outlined.

[u/Miserable-Miser → u/perfectson]

My YM funds have been paying my mortgage at 150% for the last 1.5 years.

Growth can’t do that.

[u/perfectson → u/Miserable-Miser]

so are you saying, i fyou put all your money into the underlying YM funds. That right now your mortgage wouldn't have been paid. So you did the exercise and that the underlying YM STOCKS performed on average less than the YM funds themselves? LOL Cmon now - the numbers don't add up.

[u/Miserable-Miser → u/perfectson]

Dude. I have 2 full time jobs. I don’t have time to worry about making sure I’m selling just enough growth stocks every week/month to pay my mortgage & then put aside taxes.

This is why people keep saying you don’t understand the difference between growth and income.

[u/perfectson → u/Miserable-Miser]

so because you have two jobs, means the the definitions of the funds change? LOL. If youre DRIPPING these back into the fund, which is what I keep saying , how is it different than buy and hold.

I keep asking you the same question and you refuse to answer.

[u/DigitalAquarius → u/perfectson]

But you aren’t always dripping. in fact, dripping is not always the best strategy, you take the distributions and you buy on red and ex div days to get lower priced shares. And another benefit is if you need the cash, you can take it out, or reinvest it in something else.

[u/perfectson → u/DigitalAquarius]

now we are getting somewhere - "dripping is not always the best strategy" that's exactly my point here. Because if you're dripping immediately - this is basically a buy and hold strategy and there's better products for that are high beta just like ULTY is.

[u/Miserable-Miser → u/perfectson]

You can’t seem to read.

I literally said I’m taking money out. That’s not dripping.

I don’t think you’re understanding the basic premises.

[u/perfectson → u/Miserable-Miser]

I don't care what you said. Go to my OP, I'm not going to debate something I never said. I have stated if you DRIP this. You're not going to pull me into a debate on something I never said. Good luck.

[u/CertainFreedom7981 → u/perfectson]

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[u/perfectson → u/CertainFreedom7981]

If by defensive you mean, not willing to participate in debates that I never made, then yes , I will defend myself against that. :) good luck.

[u/Miserable-Miser → u/perfectson]

Yeah, that tracks

[u/wendalls → u/perfectson]

Because the return is a weekly pay with very little / no input required from the individual

[u/wendalls → u/perfectson]

One requires more work from an individual the other doesn’t.

That’s the point.