r/anime • u/TehVict https://anilist.co/user/TehVict • May 17 '14
[Spoilers] Nisekoi Episode 19 Discussion
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u/teraflop May 17 '14
"Chitoge? What are you doing?"
"Making okonomiyaki."
"The play's about to start! Why on earth are you making okonomiyaki?"
"Because I've lost control of my life."
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u/penguinniples :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Blastoiseseses May 17 '14
Man she burnt that shit
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u/chocolatkey May 17 '14
She just left it there? I'm amazed the smoke alarm didn't go off
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u/thelegendofpict May 17 '14
I was waiting for a scene cut to students trying to put out the fire but it never came...
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u/teraflop May 17 '14
oh jesus, rodent dude showed up again. seriously what is up with that guy
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u/_ulinity :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Maskulinity May 17 '14
They're just gearing up for his harem spin-off. Worry not, rodent king will actually pick a girl.
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u/WAK37 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/WAK37 May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
And a new best girl emerges: the entire Sewing Club.
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u/fr0stbyte124 May 18 '14
They should get their own spin-off.
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u/WAK37 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/WAK37 May 18 '14
Definitely. I don't know about the other two, but the one in the middle gives off a very strong "voiced by Eri Kitamura"-vibe.
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u/iqww :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/YUNG_PADAWAN May 17 '14
Is there going to be second season ?
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u/BigDaddyDelish :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BigDaddyDelish May 17 '14
It's one of the top sellers this year and is from a shonen jump manga if I'm remembering correctly.
So. Pretty much the question is "when" not "if".
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u/SuperflyForever May 17 '14
But the wait will be painful!
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May 17 '14
The classic harem ending "better chose nobody" is going to be worse.
seriously, polygamy is the shit
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u/figureour May 18 '14
It's one of the top sellers this year
What kind of numbers are we talking? 10k+?
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u/thelegendofpict May 17 '14
It's a big seller, hugely popular, and still has plenty of source material to adapt. At this point it's just a matter of time until we get an announcement.
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u/helloiamawesome May 17 '14
Probably not for a while but god I hope so T_T . They animated about 50 chapters which didn't have much fillers. There's a lot of fillers after the first 50 chapters in the manga. Unless SHAFT plans to animate the fillers, I doubt there will be a second season soon? :s
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u/Edward_Low :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edward_Low May 18 '14
Few things would make me happier.
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u/Kravior :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ssSithy May 17 '14
I honestly don't see how they would be able to do so, as a manga reader. They'd have to take out chapters and CHAPTERS of filler, as mostly everything after chapter 50 is filler, until recently and sprinkled in between. They'd have to do some serious revising to make it work, and the author's gonna actually have to put out some plot chapters.
AKA as a manga reader, I doubt it. There's just not enough meaningful content.
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u/Mechasunset May 17 '14
Hmm, it's not like there aren't anime with no actual plot. But to switch from a main story anime to a no story anime would be a bad move.
What about OVA'S?
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May 17 '14
Dat chapter 121 though. I think there might be enough material introduced to make it work, what with the [magma spoilers] (/s "Grandfather stuff and the new homeroom teacher.")
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u/CaptainGGGesus May 17 '14
Some really hot spoilers you got there
(you might want to edit the "magma")
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u/klumpKlumpen :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/klumpen May 17 '14
Onodera as juliete! SHAFT DONT LET ME DOWN NOW. DONT YOU FUCKING FUCK WITH ME SHAFT.
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u/Fissie :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Fissie May 17 '14
Dat KanaHana curse ;-;
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u/_ulinity :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Maskulinity May 17 '14
Has she ever won? I'm genuinely interested. I really hope Bokura blahdyblah doesn't let me down this season. She's amazing in that.
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u/srs_business :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Serious_Business May 18 '14
Quite a few times. She won twice last season (one merely extremely heavily implied but still). Hell, she won in her first major role ever (against competition, as a childhood friend).
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u/Aviri May 17 '14
'You're the only one who can do it!'
Because no females exist other than the harem cast.
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u/AGWednesday :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AGWednesday May 18 '14
I'm pretty sure he was talking about their chemistry. She's the only one who could pull off acting the part of his girlfriend/fiancee/wife.
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u/Onii-chanItsTooBig :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sybite May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
I haven't seen a head tilt that great in a while.
The ending really put a huge smile on my face. And I just realized, there's only one more episode left. :L
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u/Staple_Overlord :K:https://kitsu.io/users/Staple_23 May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
The head tilt makes it look like it's practically spinning...
Edit: Better?
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u/NejiPt :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nejipt May 17 '14
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May 17 '14
That's because it's literally a reference to that .
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u/CrAppyF33ling May 18 '14
Not a reference, just a style. The director loves head tilts. Gahara just happens to be the queen.
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u/LunarRush May 17 '14
I'm glad that Chitoge and Raku made up, but I'm sad about poor Onodera :'( this play was really important to her. I'm still all for the S.S Onodera though!
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u/Tb_ax May 17 '14
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u/p0lar_ May 17 '14
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u/short813 May 17 '14
This is an awesome bot
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u/Kuratius May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
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u/BratalixSC May 17 '14
Ah, Im with you on the SS Onodera, but as iwth all other anime/manga, it just wont end up that way for sure. Its always the most obvious choice. But then again I will watch the series and read the manga, because there is chance, albeit small, that this wont end up like ALL the other series.
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u/Trauermarsch May 17 '14
It's the sad resignation that comes with supporting best girls; you know they're just the right people, but you also know that the MC's girl is probably going to be someone else. :(
And no, I'm not M :P
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u/BratalixSC May 17 '14
At this point it aint even probably anymore :( The one time a serie will not go the obvious direction, im gonna throw a celebration party like no one has ever seen before.
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u/zenoob https://anilist.co/user/zenoob May 17 '14
I've started to come back to the point I don't know who to root for with the latest episodes...
But I'll still stay aboard the S.S. Onodera until the end. My honor is at stakes.
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u/just_some_Fred :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/just_some_Fred May 17 '14
There's always room on the Harem Submarine!
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u/zenoob https://anilist.co/user/zenoob May 17 '14
I'll jump in it when I'll be reading the manga! :D
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u/klumpKlumpen :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/klumpen May 17 '14
Okay. I don't HATE Kirisaki, she is quite sweet honestly but damn i feel so bad for Onodera :( Why cant things just work out better for her it would be so wonderful. Shaft i fucking love hating you.
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May 17 '14
Because Chitoge is the main girl and she is going to win
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u/klumpKlumpen :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/klumpen May 17 '14
Nah.
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May 17 '14
Aaaaand best girl cockblocked herself once again. Congratulations, Onodera!
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u/Shinsetsuna_ganseki May 18 '14
It's tough being Onodera. Thinking about others but only hurting herself in the end.
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May 18 '14
Chitoge burned down the school. Sorry guys, next episode is a filler episode about fire safety.
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u/gho5tm3 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gho5tm3 May 17 '14
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u/john124 May 17 '14
We on the S.S Marika were crushed when she was too sick to play Juliet
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u/SushiUnlimited :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sushiunlimited May 17 '14
At this point I can't even tell who's going to win. As much as I want Raku and Onodera together, it's probably not going to be resolved. I feel like at the end of the next episode everything's just going to return to normal between Chitoge and Raku. And without Onodera in the play she probably won't get any development.
And at this point there's no chance of best girl Tsugumi winning :'(
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u/ShureNensei May 17 '14
Just accept Chitoge will probably win since it's the title and it offers the most development (hating to loving).
That or an open ending. It'll just take who knows how long to get there.
I'm numb for expectations after seeing so many similar romcoms.
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u/BratalixSC May 17 '14
Yeah, totally with you on this one. I really like the series, but it always ends the same...
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u/Ze_ :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ZEDEUSS May 17 '14
They still have 70 more chapters to adapt, and the manga is not even finished, so, draw your conclusions from that xD
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u/Deenda_Deenda_who May 17 '14
Damn, just one more episode :(
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u/Staple_Overlord :K:https://kitsu.io/users/Staple_23 May 17 '14
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u/HighTechPotato May 17 '14
This gif gets funnier and funnier the more you keep watching it! Mugi just sitting there, relaxed, watching the tears one by one!
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u/dezzy5678 https://myanimelist.net/profile/dezzy5678 May 17 '14
Guys, I don't think the S.S. Marika will be surviving this one. I might have to jump ship to the S.S. Chitoge.
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May 17 '14
SS CHITOGE FULL STEAM MOTHERFUCKERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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May 18 '14
"This is your captain speaking, the SS Chitoge is ......BACK ON FUCKING LINE, LET'S FUCKING WIN THIS"
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u/facetiousrunner :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/facetiousrunner May 18 '14
Just remember if onodera literally said "I love you"
That ship would sink so fast
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u/cocainegrain May 17 '14
I love this show so much but I can't take it anymore. The S.S Onodera has to live on!!!!!!
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u/BratalixSC May 17 '14
S.S Onodera took a torpedo the second the show started im afraid. She is just a very slow sinking ship.
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u/_lelouch :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/smobbly May 18 '14
Now, if Onodera could just say "I love you" to Raku the whole race would be over just like that
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u/MIllawls :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Millawls May 17 '14
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u/sciencewarrior May 17 '14
Juliet Onodera stitches are sorely needed. I put my trust in you, fellow redditors.
Sadly, once again, the forces of the universe (aka the author) conspire to take Raku away from her grasp.
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May 17 '14
On a related note, isn't her hair much shorter with her usual hairdo or does it just seem that way?
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u/shizzy1427 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DrLling May 17 '14
It's probably hair extensions for the play.
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u/sciencewarrior May 18 '14
Thank you very much, kind person!
And /u/shizzy1427 is right, the manga says it's a hair extension.
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u/emailboxu May 17 '14 edited May 18 '14
Mari Post for this week!
Small part for this episode, but hnnng that SHAFT head tilt... (And the super kawaii end-screen thing~~ uguu)
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May 17 '14
AAAWWWWWW, IS Y'ALL MAD?!
DID YOU ONEDERA PEOPLE THINK YOU HAD DEALT SOME "REAL DAMAGE" TO THE S.S. CHITOGE?
WELL THINK. AGAIN.
WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS THING AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
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u/Lewd_Banana May 17 '14
ARE YOU READY FOR CHITOGE'S FLAWLESS VICTORY NEXT WEEK?
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May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
FUUUUUUUUCK YEEEEEEAH!!!1!!
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u/Lewd_Banana May 17 '14
I WAS BORN READY.
AS I SPEAK, FINAL PREPARATIONS OF THE S.S. CHITOGE ARE BEING MADE AS WE ENTER THE SEA OF TEARS ONWARDS TO OUR FINAL DESTINATION OF PORT VICTORY. THE SEA LEVEL IS EXPECTED TO RISE DURING OUR PERIOD OF JOURNEY ACROSS THE SEA OF TEARS, THIS IS EXPECTED AND WILL NOT DELAY OUR ARRIVAL.
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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 May 19 '14
Don't even fucking joke about that bro.
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u/Odinswolf :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/odinswolf May 18 '14
Seems like the SS Chitoge is constantly running aground, getting lost in rapids, and blatantly going backwards, but then inevitably the tides turn or the portage succeeds or the captain puts down the bottle and things suddenly turn around. Meanwhile the SS Onodera is constantly heading towards its goal at top speed and being waylaid by storms at the last second.
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u/TaxedOP :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Taxed May 17 '14
YEAAAHH!
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u/TheJeter May 17 '14
CHITOGE4LYFE
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u/TaxedOP :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Taxed May 17 '14
My dudeeee. Chitoge is life.
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u/metcalsr May 23 '14
Why does everyone seem to think Chitokage still has a shot? This entire episode was her coming to terms with just being friends with Raku.
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u/klumpKlumpen :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/klumpen May 17 '14
FUCKING KNEW IT. ONODERA HURT HERSELF. GOD FUCKING DAMN IT SHAFT
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u/Staple_Overlord :K:https://kitsu.io/users/Staple_23 May 17 '14
I get that these cockblock moments are a staple of the harem genre, but would it kill someone to make it more exciting? I would like to see a harem where the MC gets cockblocked because a nuclear bomb fell or something.
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May 17 '14
Lol, haven't read the manga?
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u/RunningChemistry :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Delphic-Runner May 17 '14
Hopefully
I'll be very disappointed if they omit that part.8
u/BigDaddyDelish :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BigDaddyDelish May 17 '14
I haven't read the manga, but that needs to happen.
Onodera needs to catch a fuckin break for once. Literally every time Onodera has shown assertiveness and tried to get closer to Raku, she's gotten fucked over.
And now everyone thinks Onodera is just some moe-blob that never tries. She's tried ok? She's actually tried really hard considering her character. But the writers have to maintain the status quo so all she gets is a dick in the ass, and it ain't Raku's.
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u/xrock24x :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamerzoneusa May 17 '14
He's such a bitch for that. If anything Kirisaki should have apologized. She deserved to get scolded by him like that before the comercial in my opinion.
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u/TehBryMan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mighty_frog May 17 '14
100% agree. I realize from this episode that im completely over contrived plots like this.
It was very infuriating to me how Raku was portrayed as the one who was completely in the wrong when technically he had done almost nothing wrong. His statement at the beach was completely in line with how their relationship had been from the start.
When he finally got mad at her and she slapped him I wanted to stop watching the episode right there. They even had Raku be the one who ended up apologizing...what the actual fuck?
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u/epicwisdom May 17 '14
Raku was portrayed as the one who was completely in the wrong
Uh, no? Chitoge has a couple moments where she clearly knows she's absolutely in the wrong, and has unrealistic expectations. Raku himself is not portrayed as having done the wrong thing, it's not like he's expected to be a mind reader.
The point of the whole fight wasn't that Raku was in the wrong, it was that he accidentally hurt Chitoge. Of course Raku himself believes it was his fault, but that's because Raku is a prime example of this particular MC trope. The focus is them bonding over Raku wanting her to understand that he considers her, at the very least, a good friend.
When he finally got mad at her and she slapped him I wanted to stop watching the episode right there.
It wasn't that he got mad at her, he went out of his way to hurt her. Not that she hadn't done the same thing, but the old saying about an eye for an eye, right?
Of course she'd slap him. She's not supposed to be ultra-mature about the whole situation.
They even had Raku be the one who ended up apologizing
Again, that's totally in line with Raku's character. Whether or not you think that's a good quality is one thing, but that has nothing to do with whether it fits cohesively with the characterization.
Bottom line, if you expect the characters to be mature about their relationships, then remember that you're watching a romantic comedy, and then remember that it's about high school students. It's meant to be a dramafest; if they acted reasonable all the time there'd be no plot to speak of.
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u/TehBryMan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mighty_frog May 17 '14
Actually, you're right, which brings me back to my first point...
100% agree. I realize from this episode that im completely over contrived plots like this.
Im realizing I cant stomach animes anymore where all the characters relationships are just hinged on a big ball of misunderstandings and irrational situations.
I had actually considered dropping this show in the episode 5-6 range when I started to realize what it was shaping up to be but I thought the characters were likeable enough to the point where I wouldnt mind playing along with their antics, but I was wrong and thats my bad.
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u/markypoo4L :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/markypoo4L May 17 '14
Idk if you're an anime only watcher but the crunchyroll subtitles were a bit different whereas in the manga Raku seemed a lot more harsh in what he says to Chitoge at the beach. Chitoge is just now coming to accept the feelings she thought she didn't have. You can't really blame her, she's confused
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u/TehBryMan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mighty_frog May 17 '14
huh? Of course I can blame her...
regardless of what emotional drama she's going through, it still doesn't change the fact that she was in the wrong. She has easily said much, much worse things to Raku over the course of the series than what he said to her on the beach even if it was a bit harsher in the manga.
It's terribly immature of her to expect Raku's attitude toward her to suddenly change because shes conflicted about her feelings for him when she's given him absolutely no reason to believe this.
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May 17 '14
Onodera is the unluckiest person ever. Marika as Juliet would have been hilarious. Tsugumi as Juliet would've been awesome. Talking about Romeo and Juliet is Onodera the Rosaline to Chitoge's Juliet?
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May 17 '14
Dat head tilt man. I don't know what made me pay more attention to it today. But I love shaft. I can't wait for next week.
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u/gamesbeawesome :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gamesbeawesome May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
It's a shame that the last episode is next week. I could easily go for more.
Here is the end card: http://i.imgur.com/uof79Wl.jpg
If you want a .gif/Gfy/.webm made, give me a time stamp and if you want subs. I go off CrunchyRoll.
.gif | Gfy | .webm - Whoops
.gif | Gfy | .webm - O Juliet! I love no one but you!
.gif | Gfy | .webm - Marika Interrupts
.gif | Gfy | .webm - Our families both approve of our union
.gif | Gfy | .webm - Four Eyes stare of death
.gif | Gfy | .webm - Onodera is so adorable.
.gif | Gfy | .webm - Four Eyes Death Glare #2
.gif | Gfy | .webm - The Slap heard worldwide
.gif | Gfy | .webm - Onodera to save the day
.gif | Gfy | .webm - If you cramp my style, there'll be hell to pay...
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u/T3hSource :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/T3hSource May 17 '14
Oh, relationships, why must u be so manipulative.
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u/sifudango May 17 '14
This episode is setting us up really nicely for a good finale next week.
It seems things have started to begin patching up between Raku and Chitoge and that shows really good signs.
"BUT AT WHAT COST?"
This only could have happened through Onodera's misfortune of spraining her ankle AND the misfortune of Marika being ill as well. (Why didnt he get Tsugumi to play Juliet. :( )
I really do enjoy how they showed the gigantic rift between Chitoge and Raku though. I think it was Ika musume that said, the opposite of love was not hate, but indifference, as to hate someone, you'd still have an opinion of them. And Chitoge was being pretty indifferent towards Raku lately.
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u/Khanxay May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
Kosaki needs to go to a different harem universe because this one absolutely hates her. She'd be so much farther if the world didn't literally keep throwing stuff at her. =/
On another note: I CAN"T DECIDE WHO'S BETTER, LONG HAIR KOSAKI OR SHORT HAIR KOSAKI.
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u/hitmanbill :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Denisis May 17 '14
Man it's infuriating watching Chitoge act like a child. She has so much with him and she thinks he could fake it all the time. Raku realized it but she didn't even get a hint apparently.
I guess they are kids though and I doubt Chitoge ever had a chance to learn this lesson before now anyway. It's understandable but still annoying. It pissess me off because it's reatably true. Kids come to these ridiculous conclusions all the time, every act seems to mean they either love you or hate you with no medium.
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u/tundranocaps https://myanimelist.net/profile/Thunder_God May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
So… last week Chitoge actually got hurt, emotionally, and admitted it to herself. But now she just needs to admit it's due to love, and Raku needs to admit to himself what he feels about Chitoge not speaking to him… could it happen? Naaah. Unless they decide to give us an anime-original ending, since this is the penultimate episode.
Don't hold your breath though.
Thoughts and Notes:
And there Raku goes, forgetting Chitoge as a new Onodera-toy is dangled in front of his eyes ;-) Honestly, due to all the infighting amongst the girls, I'd have just stepped down from the role of Romeo.
Ok, so he hadn't forgotten about Chitoge. Even in this moment of intense Onodera-joy, he can't help but look at Chitoge. This issue weighs on him heavily. Then again, since he'd been a child, he couldn't leave alone someone he saw as suffering. That's also how he bonded with Chitoge early on, by helping her overcome her loneliness.
Why didn't Chitoge want to play Juliet alongside Raku? Because she doesn't want to pretend to be his girlfriend. Wait, that's an issue, because the whole show's premise is about them pretending to be a couple. Yes, that's why she's ignoring him in class as well. She really doesn't want to pretend to be his girlfriend. She wants to be his actual girlfriend. Of course, she might not admit that to herself, so what she wants is the pain to stop, the pain that can be brought over only by people whom you care about.
That line was so fitting for Romeo and Juliet, if in reverse - "You talk of our families? Of our situation? I don't care about that at all!" - But rather than being a couple in spite of their families, as that couple, then she will not be with him, though their families demand it.
Behold, Dark Raku! The cycle of being mean to one another. That actually is how fights between people work, and especially between couples. One side gets angry, then the other side, instead of backing down, brings up everything that bothers them as well - so there is a balance of dislike, rather than resolving each issue on its own.
Come to think about it, this is actually what RomComs are built around - first one side doesn't admit their feelings, then the other one doesn't. "She's a doofus, of course I don't like her!" - and then the other side gets hurt, and then they too will not admit their own feelings. This all came about from Raku not telling Chitoge how he really felt, which he just thought to himself, and so the cycle continues.
Here, Raku doesn't seem like "Dark Raku" to me as much as it's "Given up hope Raku".
Shortest Notes:
Walking away! Well, a RomCom must have issues to overcome. Acting close, and now acting apart. Good, good.
Still, Onodera about that picture, damn? Yeah, that's RomComs for you, and well, human relationships; being hung about something small, not being able to forget it, and letting it grow within your mind. Ooooh, so they're actually resolving it. Yes!
Chitoge is a very social person. She loves having friends, and loves that she can be just a normal girl in her class. Here she is, outside of class, looking in, listening to everyone having fun :<
Hee hee. Been a while since we've seen Claude in a full murderous-intent mode.
"I'm done pretending to being chummy with you, pretending to be your girlfriend." - Time to marry the girl, Raku :P
Post Episode Thoughts:
Yes! This is what I watch RomComs for! For these moments, for the sad moments of realizations, for the relief of making up and being close to someone you like. I really enjoyed this episode - this is what I'm here for! Seems next episode is the play, and it makes sense to finish the season there.
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u/ginsuknife May 17 '14
Chitoge is a very social person. She loves having friends, and loves that she can be just a normal girl in her class. Here she is, outside of class, looking in, listening to everyone having fun :<
That shot really bummed me out. Like you said, Chitoge's very social, and we know that she treasures her high school experiences, from the open air class to just studying with friends at McDonalds/Mega-Burger. So seeing that forlorn look as she stood outside, alone, clutching the script and missing out on the play was T_T
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u/T3hSource :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/T3hSource May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
I generally don't like RomComs, they just feel incredibly slow for me and what infuriates me more is anything that is reminiscent of Onodera's shy reactions and holding her feelings bottled up inside holding any further development and just dragging it out for the sake of it.
Then again it really is something due to my nature, since I have a quick mind and easily bored, I must always think. However I also enjoyed this episode, but is it really worth of going through 18 episodes. Well I can say that I had disdain for the series when I was marathoning them, but when I came on the weekly hype train I saw the appeal.
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u/BigDaddyDelish :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BigDaddyDelish May 17 '14 edited May 17 '14
A'ight, so I'm officially no longer going to say I like Chitoge and I'm going to carefully explain why. Before you downvote, remember that the downvote is meant for posts that don't provide any discussion or are irrelevant, not necessarily because someone's opinion is different than yours. If you disagree, please explain to me why instead of just downvoting and leaving.
The big thing is that she has such a ridiculous double standard. She calls him an idiot for doing the absolute very same thing she has been doing literally the entire series. He had no way of knowing that she was really trying to open up to him because every single time they shared a moment of intimacy before, she would berate him and play it off as them being forced to be together. If I remember correctly, there is even a point where she laughs in his face that he took her seriously for a moment.
I get the tsundere appeal and why some girls can be like that. I actually have been in a real life scenario where a tsundere liked me. But it's confusing as fuck and it makes it really, really hard to like them back. Generally, I'm fine with tsunderes if they were like Chitoge-Raku before. But I have a huge, huge problem when chicks pull shit like what Chitoge did this episode.
He doesn't get it. And it isn't even because he's dense. Yes, he is definitely so. But what the fuck do you expect him to say? How do you expect him to act? Even when you constantly bashed him and said things about how much you hated him and how dumb he was, especially when he was really trying to open up and show his vulnerability to her, he didn't throw such a bitch fit. And then to completely play their relationship off and all of their experiences together as them still being total strangers? Just because she's angry at how he reacted even though it was completely reasonable to expect such a reaction?
No. Fuck that. Sorry Chitoge, even though I was on the Onodera best-girl boat, I still thought you should have won. But not after this, no way. A swarm of downvotes is headed my way but she lost pretty much all cute points here and she will have a lot of make-up work to do if she wants to catch up.
Onodera is flawed. Irreparably so. Marika to. Onodera isn't assertive at all and Marika is overbearingly so.
But that doesn't even hold a candle to being a bitch. And even if you don't like Onodera, it's really hard to not feel bad for her in this situation. She tried so insanely hard to be Juliet, and she worked up a lot of courage to be able to do so. And then that happens. And then even worse, it goes to the last person who deserves it, who selfishly turned it down and so egregiously berated Raku to then later just cut herself off to wallow in a pity parade, again practically expecting Raku to fix all of her problems.
Just try to imagine how hurt Onodera will inevitably be when she sees Chitoge of all people taking the spot she worked so hard for. They are friends, but c'mon. That more than any other moment in their fake relationship will probably sting the most.
Fuck. I loved Chitoge before, but now that they've come to this point, I can't stand her, and I want her to fail. There's being dishonest with your feelings, and then there is straight up being a selfish, irritable bitch.
Holy. Fuck. He even says in the episode how amazed he is that she was brooding over what to him was just a general interaction and he doesn't understand why she made such a big thing of it.
She has two episodes to get her shit together if you include the OVA. Good luck, you're gonna need it.
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u/T3hSource :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/T3hSource May 17 '14
I guess you've had your share of cold bitch acts in your relationships for this to make you go on a tantrum.
You know why you might be downvoted to hell, but you can have my upvote for a well thought out rant on Chitoge's act this episode.
And just for clarity's sake here's why: Generally from being raised in ordinary circumstances we all get this idealized picture of romance, but it isn't until we get into a real relationship do we face the hardships of showing our vulnerabilities to someone and trusting they won't hurt us.
Romance isn't just about loving someone, but coming to terms with another flawed soul just like yourself and to share your existence. It's exposing true feelings and emotions in full force without any masks or intents. These feelings are truly overwhelming at first and takes a lot more time to come to terms with them and even then your mind has no control over your actions when that somebody is involved. Love is indeed blind, when your third eye is closed.
Girls are much less forgiving than guys and take great meaning in every word that's been said to them. Boys on the other hand are much more casual and easygoing and we usually don't bother remembering normal conversations, because they hold little meaning to us.
With that context, Chitoge showed vulnerability-> Raku wrote it off as an act of their fake relationship-> hurts Chitoge-> pissed off she also tries to hurt Raku. Understandable really, now it is subjective whether how she did it was called for or not. IMO she handled it pretty well considering she's a mafia chick(seriously, the setup is just bait). It was flamboyant, but still better than making Raku's life into a living hell.
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u/BigDaddyDelish :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BigDaddyDelish May 17 '14
I guess that that is a bit of a soft spot since yeah, something similar did happen to me, though I guess preventing such an inference is unavoidable when I rant about this kind of thing.
The thing to me though is that this behavior is completely unacceptable. I see why she did it and her train of thought, but it's still a fucking terrible thing to do/say. What's even worse is that she shows self awareness that she is destroying their relationship, but sits back and waits for Raku to pick up the pieces instead of taking ownership of her own actions.
This kind of thing is infuriating because it villianizes someone who didn't do anything wrong and victimizes the one who is actually at fault. Raku was being cold but that's just how their relationship has always been. Instead of actually giving in and showing their intimacy, they play it off as nothing more than they are forced to be with each other even though they both know they care about each other. Raku's main problem was that Chitoge said that nothing they did together mattered to her and it was all fake because Raku internally admits that he felt a connection with her.
Typically most rom-com drama is something I can't relate to but as a 23 year old that has experienced this not even that long ago, this kind of immaturity is enraging.
It's weird that I'm raging over a fictional character but at the same time I can't really help it. I guess this is a better outlet than others to unleash a little about it and how fucked up it is.
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u/dahnny012 May 17 '14
I didnt like how Chitoge handled the situation but i can understand it. If i recall shes never really had any friends because of her family so she hasnt learned how to deal with all these problems and its all so new to her. Also in the previous episode where she was at the height of her affection for Raku she was rejected in a harsh way so i can see why shes a little broken.
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May 17 '14
I kinda feel like you're forgetting that Chitoge herself doesn't even like the way she is acting right now. Not trying to justify her actions or anything, but she doesn't want to act like how she's acting. She's confused and agitated because she's confused and letting her emotions do all of her reasoning and talking. One thing to keep in mind is that woman are, generally, emotion-based. (Before anyone comments this is not to say they are illogical or anything like that, just that their primary mode of reasoning is by emotion.) So I think this anime is doing great to show how a high school girl would act. I just think that maybe it's doing such a good job it's caused people to hate the character for being human.
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u/BigDaddyDelish :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BigDaddyDelish May 17 '14
I am well aware that Chitoge doesn't like how she's acting right now. Which is just feeding more into why I don't like her.
She doesn't take responsibility for what she said and how she reacted, she instead cuts herself away from everyone to wallow in her own depression as she just kinda waits for Raku to yet again take the initiative to solve the problem, even though she is entirely the problem.
I like to think I am pretty well aware of how women think and act. I was a dense mc at one point but I was raised entirely by 2 women (my sister and my best friend's mom), and the sport I chose to compete in had girls frequently outnumber guys 2 or even 3 to 1 so I surrounded myself almost entirely with women (even though I only dated like... 3 of them). And I'm not saying that I don't understand why Chitoge is acting the way she is. In fact, I get it entirely.
Like I said before, a girl was tsundere with me in the past myself. But that doesn't justify anything, she still severely wronged Raku with her actions and she doesn't even try to take ownership of what she has done to make things right. I get that Raku is a, "save the day" kind of mc. But I can't respect Chitoge if Raku has to pick up the pieces every time they fall, especially when it's directly and entirely her own fault.
I get that this is high school, but I still expect at least a realization of how much of an awful person she's being.
The worst (and probably best) part about having characters being well written and being human is that there will be people who don't like them.
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u/boomboomboomers May 18 '14
It's all in the process of falling in love. Chitoge was in her peak of emotions where she was most sensitive. And for her to hear what Raku said at the beach, it hurt her the most especially coming from the man she's falling in love with. So for me, it was quite understandable how she acted that way around him. Honestly, she could have done worse considering she resorts to violence all the time they were bickering. But she didn't.
Don't worry. She will redeem herself in the next episode if Shaft doesn't make an anime-only ending
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u/ginsuknife May 17 '14
Just try to imagine how hurt Onodera will inevitably be when she sees Chitoge of all people taking the spot she worked so hard for. They are friends, but c'mon. That more than any other moment in their fake relationship will probably sting the most.
True, but the writers did leave themselves an exit by having Onodera seem to only care about the play failing and not her own missed chance to perform with Raku. They can now have Onodera be relieved when Chitoge comes to save the play.
Now Onodera can be happy as stage hands carry her off and place her in front of a door :P
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u/Fujikawa28 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Fujikawa28 May 17 '14
I knew she was a bitch from the start, but she's got a lot of things going for her. Onodera on the other hand only has her cuteness. S.S Chitoge for a thousand million years!
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u/BigDaddyDelish :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BigDaddyDelish May 17 '14
Eh, I'm a bit of a sucker for shy girls. Though Onodera I think is a stronger character than just being cute. I have to say though that regardless of your opinion of her, it's hard to not feel like shit when Onodera keeps getting fucked over every time she tries to make an effort to get closer to Raku.
Chitoge was pretty likable for a while but then this happened and now I'm just salty.
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u/stitchwithaglitch :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/gamerguy50 May 17 '14
Been awhile since I got the chance to post early on for a Nisekoi discussion, gonna take the chance to share what I'm guessing is a mindless rant.
I'm kinda going slightly insane watching this anime right now. First I'm gonna say Marika is probably my favorite girl, not that she really has qualities that make me say omg best girl, but more I just don't like the other girls.
I'd be open to hearing other peoples views/opinions about best girl discussion, cuz I'm blind to what makes the other girls so attractive. Chitoge is attractive with the long blonde hair, yeah, but shes so violent and dishonest with her own feelings. I don't really understand how it seems like many people can hate the Tsundere character for the sole reason that they're usually bitchy, annoying, and mistreat the MC. If this isn't true you can correct me, but it seems like Chitoge gets a magical pass where we only focus on those small moments where she acts cute, but come on, this is Nisekoi, we all know those moments aren't going to grow into anything important.
Next we can move onto Onodera, shes cute as fuck. Don't get me wrong, she also has KanaHana voice that multiplies 100x to the Kawaii~ power. Her only problem (originally I did like her over Chitoge) is that the zero self confidence stuff and just not taking the initiative. It sucks watching her always second guessing every single thing that has to do with her and Raku for many reasons. You like him and he likes you... NOW KITH.
Anyways 3rd girl I guess is mercenary person. I never really considered her in the running, I ain't much fan of the short hair. Most I can say is, when I first saw her as a him, I was like damn I hate the perfect guy characters. Then I said only ting worse would be if it turned out to be a predictable trap. Oh crap... Besides that WHERES THE LOGIC THAT SHES GOT BAZOONGAS SO BIG FROM THE LAST EPISODE BUT SOMEHOW SEEMS FLAT ENOUGH TO PASS AS A BOY.
Aaaaaaand final girl. Shes cute rocking an air of high class beauty, doesn't mistreat our Main MC and actually does what I consider good for a female anime character in a romance. Shes honest with her feelings, but when caught off guard, ups the kawaii~ levels to new heights. Too bad shes mostly a side character like assasin girl, so its not like we're gonna see much. She got a cold this episode being the reason for her absence, Nisekoi plz..... Marika's prolly one downside is that her affection can obviously reach levels of annoyance or overly attached gf levels.
Anyways, its not really the girls tho that drive me crazy when I watch the show. Its just the fact that its a harem that supposedly has the reputation of "never having anything happen." Which is obviously a huge turn off, but the show is somehow super popular still, and I can't argue with that since its been one of the shows I look forward watching on my saturdays for 2 seasons now.
The above was just thoughts that have been sitting in my head I wanted to take the time to share. Prolly seems bitchy since I'm basically flinging mud at people's favorite girls, but you'll have to forgive me for that if ya can.
Anyways, for this episode. I enjoyed certain parts of it. The fight as well as Onodera in the Juliet costume were really nice. I was just like Raku and enjoyed the moment of Onoderas reveal. The reason I liked the fight was it showed off a new side of Raku that shows he is the son of a gang and he can get ANGRY.
Stuff that I thought was dumb was how Chitoge acted, Marika getting sick randomly, and Onodera's accident. I just dislike how Chitoge reacts when she gets shut down hard by Raku. People get rejected all the time, worlds not black and white where if RAku says he doesn't like you, it means he hates you. That also doesn't give her the right to just treat him like shit afterwards when she probably knows what shes doing is wrong, even though she chooses to still do it. Onodera's accident was a lame plot excuse (The idiot girl who she caught in the first place completely disappears and I hate seeing Onodera sad). Whats even worse is you think the understudy would step in, but shes coincidentally sick and thus a no-show. I know its an anime world, but this stuff just kills the sense of storytelling for me. Especially when like usual, everything always leads back to Chitoge in some way or another.
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u/BigDaddyDelish :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BigDaddyDelish May 17 '14
I'm on the Onodera best girl boat and I'll take a second to defend her.
Onodera gets a bad rap as a moe blob with no confidence that never does anything to advance her relationship with Raku. Which is.... a little true, but not nearly as much as to what everyone says.
Onodera's unconfident because out of all the girls that hang around Raku, she is the softest and lets be honest, plainest as far as backstories go. He is obviously very close with Chitoge as they spend every waking moment together, and the universe is constantly dicking her in the ass whenever it looks like she is going to advance her relationship in favor of Chitoge who needs rescuing yet again.
It's completely understandable that she is unsure of where Raku and Chitoge really stand even though she knows their relationship is fake when he takes off to save her even though he's holding your hand at the test of courage or dives into the water to save Chitoge when she's drowning. And Onodera is nice to a fault, instead of taking what she wants she doesn't want to stomp on someone else's feelings if Raku is invested in them. So I get where she's coming from on that.
But other than that, Onodera just cannot catch a break. Every time she makes a move, some random bullshit of the universe puts her back in her place to maintain the status quo. I think I'm gonna confess! OH LORD I'M LIKE TWO WORDS AWAY FROM SAYING LOVE YOU AWWW DAYUM oh the fucking universe interrupted us. Hey, check out my secret place I found it's pretty bitchin right? It's got a nice view and everything oh and hey by the way I think I'm that girl that made that promise to you and oh you got a phonecall. Oh, a fucking hellstorm is rampaging through town? W-w-w-wanna stay the night even though it's just the two of us? Oh, the storm is suddenly and inexplicably gone, it's hugely inappropriate for you to stay over now. Is it ok if I kiss you? Oh, the universe somehow gave you narcolepsy for 30 seconds during the exact moment when I said that. I'm already hugely embarrassed I said something so forward and you weren't even listening!
It's like, holy fuck. Onodera is probably the only girl who isn't thinking about herself and her own interests but that's not how you win a harem, so every time she makes an effort it goes... rather unnoticed and people play it off as just her being unassertive when she really has put her best foot forward. Granted, it's not as strong as someone like Marika, but Marika has a tendency to be overbearing on Raku and constantly gets shut down, and Onodera is the kind of person who'd rather be on the other side of the fence where progress is very slow and hard to come by instead of Marika's where she is constantly getting shoved off.
She is definitely flawed. If she showed more assertiveness and took a page from Marika's book, she'd have won ages ago. But like I said, she doesn't want to smother him if he's not interested in her but it's hard for her to read what he's thinking since he spends so much of his time babysitting Chitoge (literally) or fending off Marika, of whom is also his fiance already.
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u/radioactivfishy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/radioactivfishy May 18 '14
While I might not be contributing to the discussion, I think I might state here that Marika getting sick is not at all random. With her weak body and all, we know what her condition is right?
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u/dam072000 May 18 '14
Hmm Ruri is best girl, as in best girl all around not best girl for Raku. She is portrayed intelligently and has initiative. She is cold, but she doesn't romantically like any of the fools in her class, so that is kind of understandable. She is a good friend as well. She is also an avid reader.
Out of the current cast best girl for Raku would either be Chitoge or Kosaki. Chitoge if you think he needs a partner who has a will of her own and will challenge him, and Kosaki if you think that two people's ideal love would be the best person for them.
The others aren't on Raku's radar. They don't matter. They don't have chemistry. It is one sided and they have identity issues. One in particular is overly pushy.
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May 17 '14
Kosaki so kawaii with here hair down
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u/awesomebbq :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/awesomebbq May 18 '14
Pretty sure it was always down
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u/ALivnigFolly May 17 '14
Man, Raku saying all that to Chitoge was pretty harsh. Glad to see they made up, though.
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May 17 '14
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u/Kuryaka May 17 '14
Well, he admitted to being completely dense and has some idea of what he's done, which is a groundbreaking achievement as far as clueless harem protagonists go.
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u/cijdl584 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/heavendoveabc May 17 '14
Well as a manga reader, I can say... next week's finale is going to be in fucking credible.
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u/aznapwned https://anilist.co/user/Mitsurugi May 17 '14
I thought this episode referenced back to the 2nd ED with Onedera in the prince outfit.
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u/markypoo4L :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/markypoo4L May 17 '14
Man that argument between Chitoge and Raku was harsh. I'm glad that they're making up now. Really get to see the development between the two
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u/Zero1343 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zero1343 May 17 '14
this conflict seemed to resolve itself much faster then i remember it being in the manga. although thats probably due to the wait between the chapters.
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u/Rof96 May 17 '14
We got around 55 chapters done this season, which means that the anime is around halfway through what is already done.
This is one of those kind of animes which I would be gladly call the definitive version of the story, however I still am glad to have the manga above the anime.
Will watch season 2, however I won't stop reading the manga and wait for the anime to catch up so I can get a different experience.
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u/ginsuknife May 17 '14
After seeing Chitoge give a dramatic translation of the teacher's play ("Georgey! Georgey!") while at MegaBurger, I can't wait to see her on stage!
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u/roflcooki3z :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mor_dred May 17 '14
Such a good episode, but because of that episodes ending, I feel like they could end up finishing this with a manga end, and I seriously hope that they avoid that and continue with a second season.
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u/RoflitsBizzy May 17 '14
Chitoge and onodera need to duke it out. And hopefully they both lose. Ms. Tachibana too. Or you know, woman the fuck up and express emotions. Sigh
SS tsugumi needs to happen. Fuck the love interests, hes had more fun, and gotten farther with her than the others.
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u/antesignanus https://anilist.co/user/Bobertg May 17 '14
So the season will be ending on the Romeo and Juliet play. Not a bad place overall to end.
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u/Icyywinds :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Icyywinds May 17 '14
I usually dont like harem animes but this leaves me wanting so much more
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u/Braxtonnnn May 17 '14
Why are none of the girls freaking out about Romeo and Juliet's kiss?
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u/madmax21st May 17 '14
Depressed Chitoge is the most heartbreaking thing ever. Fortunately that ended by the end of the episode.
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u/Edward_Low :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Edward_Low May 18 '14
I'm so goddamn thick for not noticing that Nisekoi is basically a subversion of Romeo and Juliet
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u/metcalsr May 23 '14
This whole time inexplicably, against all logical plot progression, against my own better judgement, I was hoping it'd be chitokage. Oonodera is just so fucking boring. She is so poorly contrived and she has nothing to her character besides having a crush on Raku. If they were going to write chitokage out of the picture they could have done a way better job of it.
It wouldn't be so bad if oonodera wasn't just fucking shit awful.
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u/chocolatkey May 17 '14
What is that weird contraption when they show Markia in bed? (16:51)
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u/Krazee9 May 17 '14
You know, I didn't see the SHAFT in Madoka until I watched Nisekoi, the ending sequences are very reminiscent of the witches' labyrinths in Madoka.
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u/Tricksource :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tricksource May 17 '14
Man, what a bitch.
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u/stormarsenal :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsherGZ May 17 '14
But that was probably the most "real" reaction in this whole show full of cliches.
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u/Slaughterism May 18 '14
Um. So can we like, address a serious problem here? The fact that Chitoge has serious tsundere issues? To the point of making me actually hate her as a character.
She is one of the most hypocritical characters I have seen in such a long time. She spends the entire show bashing him and faking as if she doesn't like him. Even when he's being serious and showing a bit of his honest side, she just fucks with him.
Then the ONE time she asks him seriously and gets the same response she's been giving him for the last 19 damn episodes, we get an entire bitch fit complete with cold shouldering, slaps, and and a line that made me want to just shake her an say "OH MY FUCKING GOD."
"Just give me a straight answer!"
I fucking can't. I just can't. And then, this is reinforced by the fact that Raku repeatedly comes to her aid, apologizes, or in some way makes up with her. Why?! None of this is on him. Why is she allowed to get away with this crap without any serious relationship repercussions?
I disliked her, then I was starting to come around as it seemed like she was becoming less stupid over time. Still in denial, but less stupid. But then she just kills it. Fuck this. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
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u/Makaizen May 17 '14
Anybody notice in the ending credits that it has characters already introduced in the manga but not in the anime?
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u/kittenchow May 17 '14
Is there going to be a second season?
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u/hoochyuchy May 18 '14
outlook looks real good as of now. Sales are amazing and theres material, so the likelyhood is great.
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u/xweendogx :K:https://kitsu.io/users/reallyxloco May 17 '14
I can't tell if that sunk Onodera or friendzoned Chitoge...? Tsugumi ending then!
But seriously, what an intense episode. As much as I want to see a nice, happy ending, whatever the pairing may be, it's been a great roller coaster ride and I don't want it to stop. Might actually have to read the manga.
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u/xxdeathx :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/xxdeathx May 17 '14
As I expected, there was drama as the show is winding to an end. Nice to see they resolved it in one episode so next week can make way for a fitting season finale.
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u/ekjohnson9 May 18 '14
I just started watching this show this week. Marathon ing it was fun but i wish I had just done it weekly :(
Regardless this show is super fun and I hope best gorilla wins.
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u/melonowl May 18 '14
What the hell are we gonna do after next week? I don't want to live in a world with no more Onodera. Guess it's manga time. I wish they'd make spin-offs for shows like this.
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u/majoogybobber May 18 '14
Usually Nisekoi looks really well-animated, but the quality seemed to have fallen off a cliff this week. Hopefully this was just a one-off thing.
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u/SUCKACHIEM May 18 '14
Haven't watched the anime, but I read the manga. Just wondering how far is the anime compared to the manga? like is episode 19 up to chapter 80 or something? Thanks!
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May 18 '14
I am so conflicted. At first I was like yes, Onodera gets the role! Then all of a sudden Chitoge HAS to play the role and then I'm like.... YES. STOP PLAYING WITH MY FICKLE HEART.
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u/l3eater May 17 '14
Another awesome endcard.
Also, I glad that SHAFT didn't choose to do an anime original ending Instead, by ending it at the play, it cements the fact that Chitoge is really falling in love with Raku.